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WiccanLiberal
09-13-2015, 02:59 PM
The article is somewhat lengthy. It involves a specific theory about a specific event. It addresses how the promulgation of a conspiracy theory can hurt individuals closest to the actual events. Take the time to read the whole thing and what it has to say about how conspiracy becomes the answer for some.
What Do You Say to a Roanoke Truther?http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/13/what-do-you-say-to-a-roanoke-truther.html?via=desktop&source=facebook
Chris was the boyfriend of Alison Parker, who was shot and killed on live television in August by a mentally ill man who had an invented grudge and easy access to firearms.
Chris is a friend from college. Chris and I hosted a radio show together.
Or, according to millions of conspiracy theorists online, Chris Hurst is a part of my imagination.
In the minds—and YouTube videos—of some conspiracy theorists, Chris is not a news anchor at WDBJ in Virginia. Chris, the videos say, is a “crisis actor" invented less than a month ago by the United States government as part of a false flag operation that will eventually allow the New World Order to take away every American citizen’s guns and force them into a life of subjugation and tyranny.

Voted4Reagan
09-13-2015, 03:06 PM
I hate Truthers... especially 9-11 Truthers.

They are weak minded and use the deaths of people to advance their crackpot agendas.

I was at Ground Zero on 9-11-2001... WiccanLiberal can confirm it.

But people tell me WHAT I SAW didnt happen....

Are they total ass wipes or just mentally defective?

Go raise your false flags elsewhere..... ASSHOLES!

revelarts
09-13-2015, 04:11 PM
How lumping everyone into the the same pot does damage.
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....How blanket accusations and group think does damage....
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How not being able to factually refute evidence in a way that's honest and convincing does damage...
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How name calling and knee jerk dismissive reactions does damage...

How using strawmen does damage....

Gunny
10-04-2015, 04:25 PM
The article is somewhat lengthy. It involves a specific theory about a specific event. It addresses how the promulgation of a conspiracy theory can hurt individuals closest to the actual events. Take the time to read the whole thing and what it has to say about how conspiracy becomes the answer for some.
What Do You Say to a Roanoke Truther?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/13/what-do-you-say-to-a-roanoke-truther.html?via=desktop&source=facebook
Chris was the boyfriend of Alison Parker, who was shot and killed on live television in August by a mentally ill man who had an invented grudge and easy access to firearms.
Chris is a friend from college. Chris and I hosted a radio show together.
Or, according to millions of conspiracy theorists online, Chris Hurst is a part of my imagination.
In the minds—and YouTube videos—of some conspiracy theorists, Chris is not a news anchor at WDBJ in Virginia. Chris, the videos say, is a “crisis actor" invented less than a month ago by the United States government as part of a false flag operation that will eventually allow the New World Order to take away every American citizen’s guns and force them into a life of subjugation and tyranny.

Oh brother .. errr ... sister. I think my dog is possessed by the Hulk. If it can be destroyed, he's right on top of it. His name's Milo but I think they missed the boat not naming him trainwreck. I'd like to say he's possessed by something evil but I think possessed by something dumber'n a hitchpost might work better. :laugh:

And you'll have to expalin "truther" to me. That the same as a conspiracy freak?

Gunny
10-04-2015, 04:35 PM
I hate Truthers... especially 9-11 Truthers.

They are weak minded and use the deaths of people to advance their crackpot agendas.

I was at Ground Zero on 9-11-2001... WiccanLiberal can confirm it.

But people tell me WHAT I SAW didnt happen....

Are they total ass wipes or just mentally defective?

Go raise your false flags elsewhere..... ASSHOLES!

Yes.

Gunny
10-04-2015, 04:44 PM
How lumping everyone into the the same pot does damage.
...
....How blanket accusations and group think does damage....
...
How not being able to factually refute evidence in a way that's honest and convincing does damage...
...
How name calling and knee jerk dismissive reactions does damage...

How using strawmen does damage....

Says the scarecrow. You got more crackpot ideas than most and more strawmen and red herrings as well. And I get called paranoid. At least my paranoia is based on reality.

You know how many people it would take to carry out ANY of the most popular conspiracy theories? JFK and 9/11? More than anyone is going to keep their damned mouths shut. Somebody'd be selling out to Newsweek ASAP.

Oswald shot Kennedy and ANY Marine I know could make that shot. We START on the range further away than that shot was made from.

9/11 was due to lack of sharing information, and our refusal to accuse someone of what they're going to do. Our entire law system is based on solving shit after you're dead.

Point is, there's a logical explanation for EVERY event and people like you try to make it something more than what it is. It's why y'all spaz's are all over the place. So busy not seeing the forest for the trees.

I'm waiting on wiccan to ride up on her broom and cast a spell on me and turn me into a toad because I'm some demon and other crap like that. I mean, really .....

WiccanLiberal
10-04-2015, 04:50 PM
The focus of the article is that there are a significant number of people who choose to believe that the death, on camera, of a newswoman and her cameraman was a sham concocted by some New World Order conspiracy. These internet "experts" claim she has been given a new identity and the whole thing is a specific ploy to promote gun control. Apparently so we can be led like sheep. They further are claiming that her grieving boyfriend is an actor hired for the same scheme. the writer of the article is a longtime friend of the boyfriend and details the way in which these conspiracy spouting idiots have piled more grief on someone who doesn't need it at the same time as they are pouring their moronic mental vomitus onto the internet for the gullible to read. Not every bad thing that happens has an explanation. Conspiracy theorists seem unable to accept that Shit Happens is sometimes the absolute truth.

Gunny
10-04-2015, 05:01 PM
The focus of the article is that there are a significant number of people who choose to believe that the death, on camera, of a newswoman and her cameraman was a sham concocted by some New World Order conspiracy. These internet "experts" claim she has been given a new identity and the whole thing is a specific ploy to promote gun control. Apparently so we can be led like sheep. They further are claiming that her grieving boyfriend is an actor hired for the same scheme. the writer of the article is a longtime friend of the boyfriend and details the way in which these conspiracy spouting idiots have piled more grief on someone who doesn't need it at the same time as they are pouring their moronic mental vomitus onto the internet for the gullible to read. Not every bad thing that happens has an explanation. Conspiracy theorists seem unable to accept that Shit Happens is sometimes the absolute truth.

I AM making light of it. I gave up trying to unscrew these people's minds YEARS ago. I think I actually had a Conspiracy Theory forum before Jim did. I just got tired of them bleeding all over the board.

Of course conspiracy theories are harmful. They make people believe crap that ain't true. Then I have to ask myself what the Hell do people like that think? What makes them think there's no simple answer? We've been raised and bred to believe there has to be a reason for everything and these people can't just grasp the fact the sometimes, sh*t happens. Oh, I just read that you already said that.:laugh:

And you know where I'm going with the witch thing. You turn me into a toad and I'm getting a 440 stainless steel GI Joe sword and coming after YOU after I escape the dogs around here.:laugh:

WiccanLiberal
10-04-2015, 05:21 PM
I AM making light of it. I gave up trying to unscrew these people's minds YEARS ago. I think I actually had a Conspiracy Theory forum before Jim did. I just got tired of them bleeding all over the board.

Of course conspiracy theories are harmful. They make people believe crap that ain't true. Then I have to ask myself what the Hell do people like that think? What makes them think there's no simple answer? We've been raised and bred to believe there has to be a reason for everything and these people can't just grasp the fact the sometimes, sh*t happens. Oh, I just read that you already said that.:laugh:

And you know where I'm going with the witch thing. You turn me into a toad and I'm getting a 440 stainless steel GI Joe sword and coming after YOU after I escape the dogs around here.:laugh:


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heheheheheheh
BTW I have an almost endless suooly of bad pagan jokes and puns. My friends in the Craft enjoy collecting them.

Gunny
10-04-2015, 05:47 PM
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heheheheheheh
BTW I have an almost endless suooly of bad pagan jokes and puns. My friends in the Craft enjoy collecting them.

My family name is Niall Noigíallach. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Noig%C3%ADallach)

Probably why that doesn't bother me. I grew up on stories of Picts and brownies. I have another little Celtic "issue" ... I'm hell in combat. The reason I point that out is I've tried for YEARS to figure out if it's blood or just training. As I've pointed out, when I get mad, it ain't funny anymore. And my favorite weapon is a sword.

There's no answer to the question. I'll never get it. But I have always had an affinity to Celts, pagans, Nordic gods. And it isn't a conscious choice.

What I DON'T like are judgmental people who don't know WTF they're even talking about.

WiccanLiberal
10-04-2015, 06:19 PM
Those with the background from the north of Europe and the Isles always seem to have an understanding of things that may not be easily perceptible to others. And as for the rage in combat, the Celts in Britain were the only people who ever gave the Romans a run for their money. Look up the story of Boudicca if you want proof. She almost succeeded in throwing them out for good. Irish and Scots and Welsh revered success in warfare more than anything else. And after all, if you have rage to express, a sword gets you up close and personal.

WiccanLiberal
10-04-2015, 06:25 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/18/science/18irish.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

<nyt_headline version="1.0" type=" ">If Irish Claim Nobility, Science May Approve</nyt_headline>Listen more kindly to the New York Irishmen who assure you that the blood of early Irish kings flows in their veins. At least 2 percent of the time, they are telling the truth, according to a new genetic survey.
The survey not only bolsters the bragging rights of some Irishmen claiming a proud heritage but also provides evidence of the existence of Niall of the Nine Hostages, an Irish high king of the fifth century A.D. regarded by some historians as more legend than real.
The survey shows that 20 percent of men in northwesternIreland (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/ireland/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) carry a distinctive genetic signature on their Y chromosomes, possibly inherited from Niall, who was said to have had numerous sons, or some other leader in a position to have had many descendants.
About one in 50 New Yorkers of European origin - including men with names like O'Connor, Flynn, Egan, Hynes, O'Reilly and Quinn - carry the genetic signature linked with Niall and northwestern Ireland, writes Daniel Bradley, the geneticist who conducted the survey with colleagues at Trinity College in Dublin. He arrived at that estimate after surveying the Y chromosomes in a genetic database that included New Yorkers.

Gunny
10-04-2015, 06:26 PM
Oh,and I was the firstborn child on the winter solstice. December 21, 1959. I know that means something to you and everyone else has a question mark over their heads.

WiccanLiberal
10-04-2015, 06:36 PM
It means you're a force of nature for sure. And the temper makes sense. You probably have some pretty scary intuition sometimes as well.

Motown
10-04-2015, 07:56 PM
What Do You Say to a Roanoke Truther?


The only thing I would say to specifically a Roanoke truther is "seek help". I understand where a lot of conspriracy theorists are coming from. Some of the 9/11 truthers believe what they believe because they don't understand how the twin towers were constructed. David Eicke needs to get publicity to sell his books and DVDs. Alex Jones is a dis-information specialist. The Roanoke truthers though are a different breed, there's no logic at all behind their opinions not even faulty logic so maybe we're seeing the early signs of psychosis in them?

gabosaurus
10-04-2015, 09:02 PM
I used to believe some of the 9-11 conspiracy theories. Until I attended a lecture by a couple of building designers who explained, step by step, how the Twin Towers collapsed. They illustrated each step with a visual presentation.
I think there is a documentary out where they go through the same explanation. It's totally fascinating.

WiccanLiberal
10-04-2015, 09:16 PM
Think I know the one you mean and it is a fine explanation.

revelarts
10-04-2015, 10:22 PM
The focus of the article is that there are a significant number of people who choose to believe that the death, on camera, of a newswoman and her cameraman was a sham concocted by some New World Order conspiracy. These internet "experts" claim she has been given a new identity and the whole thing is a specific ploy to promote gun control. Apparently so we can be led like sheep. They further are claiming that her grieving boyfriend is an actor hired for the same scheme. the writer of the article is a longtime friend of the boyfriend and details the way in which these conspiracy spouting idiots have piled more grief on someone who doesn't need it at the same time as they are pouring their moronic mental vomitus onto the internet for the gullible to read. Not every bad thing that happens has an explanation. Conspiracy theorists seem unable to accept that Shit Happens is sometimes the absolute truth.

my problem with the article --and many like it-- is that it picks one really bad example of a "conspiracy theorist" or "theory" then uses that to smear ALL so called conspiracy and people that question various conventional wisdom or knowledge.
It uses too broad a brush.
This is dishonest.
It and some commentary here uses the logical fallacy called the strawman.

But in general at nearly every major event there are people with various theories based on incoming evidence. some true, some false, some crazy, some partially true, partially false or mostly true. However some events causes are frankly UNKNOWN and/or unknowable.
some ... many are multi layered.


But conventional wisdom rarely allows for the above full range of honest inquirer. Most of us like to frame issues quickly and within our paradigm of the world 1ST then explore .. or quickly settle on... the answers within that range. information outside of it is often automatically rejected or ignored. Often not because the FACTS are so powerful for the view but because the other info brings in conclusions that are to "unrealistic" in our minds. That is, it doesn't fit in our paradigms or world views or even narrower their political views.
People will attack very emotionally things that question their world view. logic and evidence doesn't always have he final say.

It's been seen over and over in science where scientist as a GROUP have refused to even entertain new information or theories for years or even decades because it broke with the established "reality" of scientific thought.

there are paradigms in american thinking that make it hard for some to seriously consider some facts. knee jerk angry name calling filled rejection is all that's called for to keep most in line with the "reasonable" people.

revelarts
10-04-2015, 10:23 PM
I used to believe some of the 9-11 conspiracy theories. Until I attended a lecture by a couple of building designers who explained, step by step, how the Twin Towers collapsed. They illustrated each step with a visual presentation.
I think there is a documentary out where they go through the same explanation. It's totally fascinating.


Think I know the one you mean and it is a fine explanation.

what documentary is that exactly?
I'd love to see it.

Gunny
10-05-2015, 01:56 AM
It means you're a force of nature for sure. And the temper makes sense. You probably have some pretty scary intuition sometimes as well.

I'm a force of something, that's for sure. I probably should read a little more up on it. But I get the thing with others because I can be the worst thing you ever met, or your best friend. Depends on you. I'm benign in most cases. I'm not a mean person. Being mean and being able to be mean are two VERY different things.

That intuition crap has bugged the crap out of me since I was a kid. That whole deja vu crap still creeps me out. And I know better now than to go against my instincts. Every time I have, I 've got burned.

Gunny
10-05-2015, 02:12 AM
my problem with the article --and many like it-- is that it picks one really bad example of a "conspiracy theorist" or "theory" then uses that to smear ALL so called conspiracy and people that question various conventional wisdom or knowledge.
It uses too broad a brush.
This is dishonest.
It and some commentary here uses the logical fallacy called the strawman.

But in general at nearly every major event there are people with various theories based on incoming evidence. some true, some false, some crazy, some partially true, partially false or mostly true. However some events causes are frankly UNKNOWN and/or unknowable.
some ... many are multi layered.


But conventional wisdom rarely allows for the above full range of honest inquirer. Most of us like to frame issues quickly and within our paradigm of the world 1ST then explore .. or quickly settle on... the answers within that range. information outside of it is often automatically rejected or ignored. Often not because the FACTS are so powerful for the view but because the other info brings in conclusions that are to "unrealistic" in our minds. That is, it doesn't fit in our paradigms or world views or even narrower their political views.
People will attack very emotionally things that question their world view. logic and evidence doesn't always have he final say.

It's been seen over and over in science where scientist as a GROUP have refused to even entertain new information or theories for years or even decades because it broke with the established "reality" of scientific thought.

there are paradigms in american thinking that make it hard for some to seriously consider some facts. knee jerk angry name calling filled rejection is all that's called for to keep most in line with the "reasonable" people.

Try again. The logic is simple so there is no fallacy. The fallacy begins when you try to turn boiling water into a scientific experiment.

Nonnie
10-05-2015, 05:07 AM
It's always puzzled me why some people have to come up with theories that are opposite to what's in the news.

Conspiracy theories seems to have become a popular culture.

It's something that doesn't entertain me, it doesn't pay my mortgage.

revelarts
10-05-2015, 10:35 AM
It's always puzzled me why some people have to come up with theories that are opposite to what's in the news.
Conspiracy theories seems to have become a popular culture.
It's something that doesn't entertain me, it doesn't pay my mortgage.


as I mentioned before some people do just "come up with theories" but other people are just looking more closely and DISCOVERING that the news hasn't told the WHOLE story or that the story is basically false.
they didn't "come up with it".

And some people do find conspiracy theory "entertaining". But you're right, it doesn't pay the mortgage but neither does most of the News on Fox CNN or elsewhere. And here's the thing for me if the "conspiracy theories" are TRUE then they are NEWS and History. Which is something that is important and fuels how we react to events now and in the future.

the thing is there's well documented History of plenty of conspiracy "theories" that have finally after decades of cover up been admitted to be true. I want to repeat AFTER DECADES of cover up because one of the lines use as a reason why conspiracies are unreal is because "people would talk" people or the gov't "can't keep that kind of secret". but the fact is they have.


Here's a short list of conspiracy theories that are true. That people in the mainstream scoffed at those who proposed them as being crazy or having an agenda because the Gov't, the media and historians told the general public a different story. told the public lies.


•One of the 1st that always comes to my mind is that the WHOLE FBI for decades told the american public that there was NO SUCH THING as "Organized Crime" or "international criminal gangs" it was a MYTH.

•the Gov't the media and books said that the civil rights and anti war movement in the 40s - 60's was paranoid and had an agenda in accusing the Federal gov't of spying and harassing them. But the federal gov't admitted years that they were illegally spying on, harassing, putting in agents to sow problems, faking events to blame on those groups and more. the FBI's program for this was called "cointelpro"

•the state and local gov'ts and the national media and books said that the civil rights and anti war movement in the 40s- 60's were paranoid and had an agenda in accusing the the state and local elected officials and law enforcement of secretly working with groups like the KKK to defeat civil rights and other issues. and coordinate infiltration, spying and harassing them. one of those programs was called "Mississippi Sovereignty Commission"

•"Operation Mockingbird" where CIA Funded propaganda in private media in the US and abroad. with CIA plants and friendly's in place at the major news outlets to effect public opinion and "knowledge".

•"Operation Ajax" where the CIA killed the democratically elected Iranin president. Covered up for decades.

•"Operation Galdio" where the Cia and NATO did terrorist attacks in europe and blamed it on comunist and leftist. went on for decade may still be going on.

•"MKUltra" where the gov't used LSD and other drug and techniques against citizens wills to brainwash and mind control people.

•"Tuskegee experiments" and Nuke radiation experimentation: Tuskegee where gov't doctors lied to men with syphilis that they were treating them but they were actually just documenting the progress of the disease. Nuke materials and bomb fallout exposer was done to soldiers, college students and even children often without there knowledge.

•During Prohibition some FBI agents regularly poisoned some illegal liquor with methane, formaldehyde, ammonia, arsenic, kerosene and more to make it appear that booze was in fact deadly to go along with their propaganda to dissuade the public from alcohol use. Many did in fact die.

•Gulf war I CIA Had a young woman Nayirah al-Sabah lie to the UN and congress about incubator babies supposedly killed by Iraqi soldiers.

•Cigarette Corps and Asbestos Corps hide cancer for decades. both of those industries knew that their products caused cancer, they work in concert, and paid for false studies, did propaganda and fought regs and cajoled politicians while Americans died and they made $$$.

•"Iran-Contra" Secret Deals from Iran ,CIA providing drugs for money (L.A. Crack boom) to supply guns for contras under executive control.

•Quebec police admitted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAfzUOx53Rg) that, in 2007, thugs carrying rocks to a peaceful protest were actually undercover Quebec police officers (and see this (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebec-police-admit-they-went-undercover-at-montebello-protest-1.656171)). Undercover Israeli soldiers admitted (http://mondoweiss.net/2012/05/operation-glass-houses-idf-agent-provocateurs-admit-to-throwing-stones-at-the-idf-in-bilin.html) in 2005 to throwing stones at other Israeli soldiers so they could blame it on Palestinians, as an excuse to crack down on peaceful protests by the Palestinians


Is everything a conspiracy? No, of course not. There's alway plenty of random trouble and trouble makers.
But are there real conspiracies? Yes there are.
So how can we know the difference?
Well we could just assume all people who question the status quo inside or outside the gov't or corps have psychologically issues, are cranks or are sincere but poor deluded souls and just ignore them.
Or we could wait for gov'ts or corporations to admit their organized corruption 5, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 (infinite) years down the line.
Or we can look at the best evidence from various sources , be brutally honest, and make our on decisions... on a case by case basis.

the last option is what i like to do.

Motown
10-05-2015, 11:45 AM
as I mentioned before some people do just "come up with theories" but other people are just looking more closely and DISCOVERING that the news hasn't told the WHOLE story or that the story is basically false.
they didn't "come up with it".

And some people do find conspiracy theory "entertaining". But you're right, it doesn't pay the mortgage but neither does most of the News on Fox CNN or elsewhere. And here's the thing for me if the "conspiracy theories" are TRUE then they are NEWS and History. Which is something that is important and fuels how we react to events now and in the future.

the thing is there's well documented History of plenty of conspiracy "theories" that have finally after decades of cover up been admitted to be true. I want to repeat AFTER DECADES of cover up because one of the lines use as a reason why conspiracies are unreal is because "people would talk" people or the gov't "can't keep that kind of secret". but the fact is they have.


Here's a short list of conspiracy theories that are true. That people in the mainstream scoffed at those who proposed them as being crazy or having an agenda because the Gov't, the media and historians told the general public a different story. told the public lies.




Is everything a conspiracy? No, of course not. There's alway plenty of random trouble and trouble makers.
But are there real conspiracies? Yes there are.
So how can we know the difference?
Well we could just assume all people who question the status quo inside or outside the gov't or corps have psychologically issues, are cranks or are sincere but poor deluded souls and just ignore them.
Or we could wait for gov'ts or corporations to admit their organized corruption 5, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 (infinite) years down the line.
Or we can look at the best evidence from various sources , be brutally honest, and make our on decisions... on a case by case basis.

the last option is what i like to do.

Yes. you're right. You've defended that little tin foil hat you're wearing more than once.

Gunny
10-05-2015, 02:18 PM
It's always puzzled me why some people have to come up with theories that are opposite to what's in the news.

Conspiracy theories seems to have become a popular culture.

It's something that doesn't entertain me, it doesn't pay my mortgage.

I don't even see it that way. The news isn't very honest. I usually go with 2-3 sources and pull the common denominators. That's as close as you usually get to the truth.

People who are incapable of accepting the "shit happens" thing are the ones who always come up with this conspiracy crap. I always go back to the basics. They've dragged the JFK thing out since I was 3. Either Oswald was a whackjob or somebody paid him. If somebody paid him, they'd have written a book and been on 60 Minutes by now. Our society is more greedy than loyal and if anyone knew any secrets about the arguably most important assassination in the 20th century, they'd be making money off it.

Same with 9/11. You couldn't possibly get the number of people it would take into a conspiracy like that without someone flapping their gums. 9/11 was the result of American arrogance, same as Pearl Harbor. We just don't believe as a people anyone has the stones to hit us.

I've tried to understand how some of these people think but I'm afraid they're outside the even weird fringe for me. I think too logically and there's no logic to them. When you start inventing crap, you're outside my realm.

fj1200
10-05-2015, 02:54 PM
But people tell me WHAT I SAW didnt happen....

It's not that it didn't happen, it's how it happened right?


what documentary is that exactly?
I'd love to see it.

IIRC it was done by Popular Science.

revelarts
10-05-2015, 10:02 PM
Yes. you're right. You've defended that little tin foil hat you're wearing more than once.

see what i mean.
See how some people go for completely CONTENTLESS name calling,
rather than using facts, evidence, reason or logic to try and make a real point.

It's effective with a lot of folks and shuts down conversations and real thinking.
You don't have to think about some things AT ALL if you can just label it OUTSIDE of "normal" people talk.

It's lazy, but group social pressure and emotion often do work better rational appeals.

Gunny
10-05-2015, 10:23 PM
see what i mean.
See how some people go for completely CONTENTLESS name calling,
rather than using facts, evidence, reason or logic to try and make a real point.

It's effective with a lot of folks and shuts down conversations and real thinking.
You don't have to think about some things AT ALL if you can just label it OUTSIDE of "normal" people talk.

It's lazy, but group social pressure and emotion often do work better rational appeals.

We already got a thread on name calling.

There's"real thinking" and there's inventing crap. Might make you a good inventor but it doesn't make you a critical thinker.

revelarts
10-05-2015, 11:08 PM
We already got a thread on name calling.

There's"real thinking" and there's inventing crap. Might make you a good inventor but it doesn't make you a critical thinker.

what exactly have i invented here Gunny?

gabosaurus
10-06-2015, 12:15 AM
There are a lot of really crazy conspiracy theories out there. Anyone who holds such beliefs is equally loony and likely needs mental help. At the very least.
My favorite conspiracy theories (your mileage may vary):

** Sept. 11 attacks were an inside job
** The moon landings were faked
** The Holocaust never happened
** (insert any politician's name here) is a space alien planning to control the earth
** (Hitler, Elvis, JFK, John Lennon, etc) faked their death and are living in obscuring somepace
** Obama was born in Kenya

Gunny
10-06-2015, 04:23 AM
what exactly have i invented here Gunny?

You're always believing in whacky junk. Crap, look at your avatar. Roddy Piper from a totally paranoid movie. Special set of glasses so you can see all the subliminal government messages. The better question is when are you NOT coming up with some screwy crap?

*I* am paranoid. I sleep with one eye half open. But I don't come up with goofy stories for shit that happens.

revelarts
10-06-2015, 10:17 AM
Sometimes it just depends on which side of politics your on.
the left calls some things the right trumpets as reality crazy tin foil hat conspiracy theories
Benghazi
Vince Foster's Death
Mena Arkansas Drugs and Death's
And Global Warming skeptics. "the scientist would LIE! someone would talk! republicans HATE science and love big oil!"

Then there some... only some on the right who seriously with all their hearts buy into the ideas that,
Obama's plan is/has been to let Muslims take over America.
Obama's plan is/has been to let Socialist take over America.
Obama's plan is/has been to let Blacks never have police bother them and to take over America and suppress whitey and take away the confederate flags etc..
Obama's plan is/has been to let illegal immigrants flood the country and take over America.

most on the right say little to nothing to correct right leaning friends that promote those kind of things.
rarely if ever call them names.

On the left it is allowable to consider and believe that,
W Bush wanted to try to make the book of Revelation happen and help Jesus return by starting wars in the middle east.
That the Koch brothers run the GOP and the Tea Party.
Hillary and followers believed that a vast right wing conspiracy against Bill Clinton that CAUSED all the Clinton scandals.

Fellow partisans allow a certain amount of very thinly or completely unsupported "conspiracy" to float in their partisan pools.
Without attacks from friends about their sanity, sincerity, or being required to produce evidence or being called names then dismissed from the conversation.

go figure.

revelarts
10-06-2015, 10:31 AM
You're always believing in whacky junk. Crap, look at your avatar. Roddy Piper from a totally paranoid movie. Special set of glasses so you can see all the subliminal government messages. The better question is when are you NOT coming up with some screwy crap?
*I* am paranoid. I sleep with one eye half open. But I don't come up with goofy stories for shit that happens.

What EXACTLY have i "invented" gunny?
simple question.
start with this thread.
Since I'm "always believing in whacky junk" and "The better question is when are you NOT coming up with some screwy crap."
it should be easy right?

look, this just seem like more contentless name calling.
An attempt to try and paint my statements -in general- as extreme so you don't have to THINK and can dismiss them WITHOUT critical examination.

just as i pointed out earlier.

red state
10-06-2015, 10:37 AM
Rev, don't go listing facts.....we all know through OBSERVATION (not theory) what B.O. is doing and from where he 'leans"....which has, on occasions, been a lean to KISS the ring of an Arab!!! He is a traitor and his intentions are, well, OBVIOUS.

I believe Sassy, and others have brought up Agenda 21 (which is also OBVIOUS & in Blk n Wht) for all to read but this crap about 9/11....go blow it out their ear. Gun Control.....also obvious and history has proven that liberal ilk plan to do the same thing for they know that TOTAL CONTROL comes first from GUN CONTROL.

So, Rev, are you going to sit there and tell me that those things you mentioned and scoffed at as a "list" aren't REAL and OBVIOUS?! or am I simply a nut for seeing the OBVIOUS in one's actions and OBVIOUS hatred towards AMERICA & 'whitey'?

red state
10-06-2015, 10:40 AM
Sorry for interrupting....I have to hit the clock anyway. I'll give over to ya'll's conversation and get back to you tonight on what I popped in about.