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Christie Brinkley
10-13-2015, 12:57 PM
This group is currently around Hama which is where Russia is pounding the terrorists the most and where the SAA is attempting to take back territory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz5dquflquY

Notice the word Mujahideen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen) referring to jihad guerrilla warfare. Most probably referring to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that was funded and supported by the United States to fight the soviets during the invasion by the soviet union in the 1980's. These jihadis later formed into todays Taliban which United States troops died against in the invasion of Afghanistan for the aim of increasing opium production.

These are the kind of strikes hitting these terrorist filth bags by the Russians


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO0M55yCmCI

fj1200
10-13-2015, 02:27 PM
Notice the word Mujahideen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen) referring to jihad guerrilla warfare. Most probably referring to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that was funded and supported by the United States to fight the soviets during the invasion by the soviet union in the 1980's. These jihadis later formed into todays Taliban which United States troops died against in the invasion of Afghanistan for the aim of increasing opium production.

I don't think that's true. IIRC the Mujahideen are more akin to the Northern Alliance than the Taliban.

Christie Brinkley
10-13-2015, 03:00 PM
I don't think that's true. IIRC the Mujahideen are more akin to the Northern Alliance than the Taliban.
The Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen, also known as the Seven Party Mujahideen Alliance or Peshawar Seven, was anAfghan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan) organization formed in either 1981 or 1985

Read More (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Unity_of_Afghanistan_Mujahideen)

fj1200
10-14-2015, 09:22 AM
The Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen, also known as the Seven Party Mujahideen Alliance or Peshawar Seven, was anAfghan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan) organization formed in either 1981 or 1985...

... which did not become the Taliban against whom the US fought in 2001. :)

Christie Brinkley
10-14-2015, 10:36 AM
... which did not become the Taliban against whom the US fought in 2001. :)
Sorry friend-

The Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen) in northern Pakistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan), during the Soviet war in Afghanistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

fj1200
10-14-2015, 02:02 PM
Sorry friend-

The Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen) in northern Pakistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan), during the Soviet war in Afghanistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

Your links don't prove your assertions, and are even contrary, especially the last one:


The Taliban's extremely strict and anti-modern (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_criticism) ideology has been described as an "innovative form of sharia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia) combining Pashtun tribal codes,"[201] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#cite_note-Muslim_World_2004-201) or Pashtunwali (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunwali), with radical Deobandi interpretations of Islam favored by JUI and its splinter groups. Also contributing to the mix was the militant Islamism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_Islamism) and extremist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_extremism) jihadism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihadism) of Osama bin Laden.[202] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#cite_note-202) Their ideology was a departure from the Islamism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism) of the anti-Soviet mujahideen rulers they replaced who tended to be mystical Sufis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism), traditionalists, or radical Islamicists inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood) (Ikhwan).[203] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#cite_note-203)

Christie Brinkley
10-14-2015, 02:04 PM
Your links don't prove your assertions, and are even contrary, especially the last one:
But still many members of the taliban were ex mujahideen and it got many of their ideas from the mujahideen.

fj1200
10-14-2015, 02:04 PM
But still...

Changing goalposts again?

Christie Brinkley
10-14-2015, 02:05 PM
Changing goalposts again?
Attack the language I use instead of what I said. Surprise surprise.

fj1200
10-14-2015, 02:08 PM
Attack the language I use instead of what I said. Surprise surprise.

I'm not attacking. I'm pointing out that you are changing your argument. It's hard for conspiracists to stay on fact.

Christie Brinkley
10-14-2015, 02:09 PM
I'm not attacking. I'm pointing out that you are changing your argument. It's hard for conspiracists to stay on fact.
How am I a 'conspiracist' for saying the US funded and gave weapons to radical islamists during the soviet Afghan war who many later joined the taliban?

Black Diamond
10-14-2015, 02:11 PM
How am I a 'conspiracist' for saying the US funded and gave weapons to radical islamists during the soviet Afghan war who many later joined the taliban?

You're a conspiracist for other reasons.

Christie Brinkley
10-14-2015, 02:12 PM
You're a conspiracist for other reasons.
I am not on this specific matter, it is an admitted fact they funded Islamists to take on the soviets during the war many of them later joined the taliban.

fj1200
10-14-2015, 02:14 PM
How am I a 'conspiracist' for saying the US funded and gave weapons to radical islamists during the soviet Afghan war who many later joined the taliban?

Which is not at all what you said in the OP.

Christie Brinkley
10-14-2015, 02:18 PM
Which is not at all what you said in the OP.
I said in the OP the 'rebels' are jihadis that would support mujahideen/islamic fundamentalist ideas. In the video one could be heard saying mujahideen but then that did not mean I was saying that they were in fact mujahideen but had sympathies to their ideology which is similar to their jihadi world view.

fj1200
10-14-2015, 02:23 PM
I said in the OP the 'rebels' are jihadis that would support mujahideen/islamic fundamentalist ideas. In the video one could be heard saying mujahideen but then that did not mean I was saying that they were in fact mujahideen but had sympathies to their ideology which is similar to their jihadi world view.

That's not really what you said:


Notice the word Mujahideen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen) referring to jihad guerrilla warfare. Most probably referring to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that was funded and supported by the United States to fight the soviets during the invasion by the soviet union in the 1980's. These jihadis later formed into todays Taliban which United States troops died against in the invasion of Afghanistan for the aim of increasing opium production.

There certainly may be some carry over but they have specific differences especially as it regards to Afghanistan. The Northern Alliance were our allies in 2001+.

Christie Brinkley
10-14-2015, 02:26 PM
That's not really what you said:



There certainly may be some carry over but they have specific differences especially as it regards to Afghanistan. The Northern Alliance were our allies in 2001+.
The most militant, extremist faction of the Mujahideen turned into the Taliban.

"The Taliban emerged as this kind of altruistic group which wanted to bring peace to Afghanistan and initially they were very popular," said Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-the-taliban-rose-from-afghan-turmoil/

fj1200
10-14-2015, 02:31 PM
The most militant, extremist faction of the Mujahideen turned into the Taliban.

"The Taliban emerged as this kind of altruistic group which wanted to bring peace to Afghanistan and initially they were very popular," said Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-the-taliban-rose-from-afghan-turmoil/

Hmm, an opinion by Katie Couric based on a statement by Hillary Clinton. There could be worse sources but maybe you could find one that doesn't contradict itself:


But the Taliban's fight to be more powerful than the Mujahadeen cost money. And a wealthy Saudi Arabian exile, in need of safe haven, stepped up as the Taliban's banker.

Kind of a crappy article IMO that doesn't bear out your statement.

Christie Brinkley
10-14-2015, 02:34 PM
Hmm, an opinion by Katie Couric based on a statement by Hillary Clinton. There could be worse sources but maybe you could find one that doesn't contradict itself:



Kind of a crappy article IMO that doesn't bear out your statement.
So you deny the Taliban and the mujahideen have any link at all?

Do you admit the US calls Al Nusra/Islamic front and other terrorist organisations 'rebels' to continue to keep up their narrative on the events in Syria and to continue the funding of terrorists to overthrow Assad?

fj1200
10-14-2015, 04:22 PM
So you deny the Taliban and the mujahideen have any link at all?

Do you admit the US calls Al Nusra/Islamic front and other terrorist organisations 'rebels' to continue to keep up their narrative on the events in Syria and to continue the funding of terrorists to overthrow Assad?

Why do you ask silly questions? One is not the originator of the other as you claimed.

They are rebels, they are rebels against Assad.

Christie Brinkley
10-14-2015, 04:59 PM
Why do you ask silly questions? One is not the originator of the other as you claimed.

They are rebels, they are rebels against Assad.
Yes rebels- Al Nusra/islamic front as their territory in western media is classed as 'rebel territory'.

fj1200
10-15-2015, 10:42 AM
Yes rebels- Al Nusra/islamic front as their territory in western media is classed as 'rebel territory'.

Thank goodness the western media is carrying their water for them. ;)