School threatens mom over 'inappropriate' bikini photos

[jimnyc]

Kinda retarded if you ask me. "immodest, pornographic"? I don't see it. Looks like any other female bodybuilding photos to me. I don't care for the muscular look on ladies, but I don't see anything inappropriate at all. There's no abuse, no harassment, no nudity, no bad messages...

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http://i.imgur.com/4H9rPY2.jpg

“I know it’s overload of me in a bikini BUT I’m a 37 year old divorced, single mom of four and I’ve NEVER been anything but skinny and weak,” Mindi Jensen wrote on her Facebook page Oct. 11, showing off a video of her appearance in a fitness model show.

And the Price, Utah, mother — who began bodybuilding after a bout of depression and has been sharing photos of her transformation on social media — remained just as proud a week later when administrators at the middle school where she teaches told her that they’d received a complaint about the images she was sharing on social media under pseudonyms. “These kids found it, and the parents were appalled by the pictures — they called it immodest,” Jenen explained to ABC 4. “They called it pornographic. They called the pictures inappropriate, and these are my fitness and show pictures in my sport, in my uniform in my bodybuilding sport.”

The officials at North Sanpete Middle School in Moroni, Utah, then gave her the choice of making her posts private, taking them down, or being fired — yet she stood her ground. “I get comments and messages that it’s inspirational,” Jensen told Fox 13. (She didn’t respond to Yahoo Parenting’s request for comment.) “Women like my story and they’re following my story, and if I put it to private, then it’s not going to reach these people that might need and understand me.”

Jensen said as much to the school principal on Tuesday, she added, calling out the parents who lodged their complaint. “Why are my rights being taken away and not the child’s right?” she said. “It’s between the parent and the child. Put restrictions on your children. If you are not comfortable with seeing me in my fitness uniform on stage posing, then take that away from your kid. Don’t take it away from me.”

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/should-school-have-threatened-single-moms-job-203411243.html

[revelarts]

I think she could eat a few more sandwiches.
but she's right. there's nothing so bad about these photos. she's not sending them to kids.

Is she a teacher? how are threatening to fire her?

It may not be "appropriate" to see your friends mom like this but it's not a crime.
She could be a bit more modest but it's her choice not the schools.

[jimnyc]

I think she could eat a few more sandwiches.
but she's right. there's nothing so bad about these photos. she's not sending them to kids.

Is she a teacher? how are threatening to fire her?

It may not be "appropriate" to see your friends mom like this but it's not a crime.
She could be a bit more modest but it's her choice not the schools.

No doubt, about 400 sandwiches. I hate to see all muscle like that, or all bone. Yuk. :puke:

If she was sending them to kids for the wrong reasons, that would be a different story. But this is simply a woman with pictures of herself, from taking care of herself and from body competitions.

[Noir]

Are her ankles uncovered? Shame!
How dare women have bodies.

[jimnyc]

Are her ankles uncovered? Shame!
How dare women have bodies.

Well, it all does depend, Mr, Noir! If she were naked, she should be fired. There ARE limitation when showing off your body, especially when a teacher is teaching KIDS. So while this one went too far, and I think she's 100% in the right - women with bodies alone doesn't always make the cut.

[Noir]

Well, it all does depend, Mr, Noir! If she were naked, she should be fired. There ARE limitation when showing off your body, especially when a teacher is teaching KIDS. So while this one went too far, and I think she's 100% in the right - women with bodies alone doesn't always make the cut.

And presumably if she was wearing a bra and panties in the picture rather than a bikini, opinions would change too, because humans are weird.

[jimnyc]

And presumably if she was wearing a bra and panties in the picture rather than a bikini, opinions would change too, because humans are weird.

Well, yeah, probably right. Same with gals if they went to the beach wearing the same. I kinda agree there too, makes little sense. I have no issue with that though, so long as the bra/panties aren't see through.

[Bilgerat]

Did ya note where she teaches?

Utah, Mormons, uptight

[revelarts]

And presumably if she was wearing a bra and panties in the picture rather than a bikini, opinions would change too, because humans are weird.

Yes we're weird for sure.

but i wonder if we're weird because we can see her in her knickers and bra and have a problem
or that we're weird because we can see her in a bikini and NOT have a problem.

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A simple question to ask about clothing is this. are men generally more sexually aroused and interested by seeing more female flesh or less?
all the relative situations are a side show, the obvious answer is clear.

the only question becomes how much clothing equals or is considered modesty.

The modesty question itself is a distinctly human question.
And not one explained by human evolution.

[tailfins]

Kinda reminds of this song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ivUOnnstpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Kinda retarded if you ask me. "immodest, pornographic"? I don't see it. Looks like any other female bodybuilding photos to me. I don't care for the muscular look on ladies, but I don't see anything inappropriate at all. There's no abuse, no harassment, no nudity, no bad messages...

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http://i.imgur.com/4H9rPY2.jpg

“I know it’s overload of me in a bikini BUT I’m a 37 year old divorced, single mom of four and I’ve NEVER been anything but skinny and weak,” Mindi Jensen wrote on her Facebook page Oct. 11, showing off a video of her appearance in a fitness model show.

And the Price, Utah, mother — who began bodybuilding after a bout of depression and has been sharing photos of her transformation on social media — remained just as proud a week later when administrators at the middle school where she teaches told her that they’d received a complaint about the images she was sharing on social media under pseudonyms. “These kids found it, and the parents were appalled by the pictures — they called it immodest,” Jenen explained to ABC 4. “They called it pornographic. They called the pictures inappropriate, and these are my fitness and show pictures in my sport, in my uniform in my bodybuilding sport.”

The officials at North Sanpete Middle School in Moroni, Utah, then gave her the choice of making her posts private, taking them down, or being fired — yet she stood her ground. “I get comments and messages that it’s inspirational,” Jensen told Fox 13. (She didn’t respond to Yahoo Parenting’s request for comment.) “Women like my story and they’re following my story, and if I put it to private, then it’s not going to reach these people that might need and understand me.”

Jensen said as much to the school principal on Tuesday, she added, calling out the parents who lodged their complaint. “Why are my rights being taken away and not the child’s right?” she said. “It’s between the parent and the child. Put restrictions on your children. If you are not comfortable with seeing me in my fitness uniform on stage posing, then take that away from your kid. Don’t take it away from me.”

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/should-school-have-threatened-single-moms-job-203411243.html




The officials at North Sanpete Middle School in Moroni, Utah, then gave her the choice of making her posts private, taking them down, or being fired — yet she stood her ground.

Fire the damn officials that arrogantly and stupidly made that dumbass decision.
She did nothing wrong and only inspired woman to be fit..
Besides , are they gonna render same verdict for any fat female school employee that posts beach pictures in bikinis?
Answer- NO ! ffING PRUDES...-Tyr

[aboutime]

Why haven't all of the hypocrites WHINED about the BRA, and PANTY advertisements on TV. Needless to say, those HOOTERS, and VICTORIA SECRET ads almost everywhere???

Give anybody a reason to complain about something...other than the ABORTION their parents didn't choose!!!!

[gabosaurus]

Most of Utah is part of the Cult of Latter Day Saints. They are not normal people. Thus, this story is not surprising to me.

[DragonStryk72]

Yes we're weird for sure.

but i wonder if we're weird because we can see her in her knickers and bra and have a problem
or that we're weird because we can see her in a bikini and NOT have a problem.

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A simple question to ask about clothing is this. are men generally more sexually aroused and interested by seeing more female flesh or less?
all the relative situations are a side show, the obvious answer is clear.

the only question becomes how much clothing equals or is considered modesty.

The modesty question itself is a distinctly human question.
And not one explained by human evolution.

I think it really boils down to intimacy. A bikini can look hot on a woman, but thats not really intimate, lIke 8t is with underwear. But honestly, I've gotten to the uncomfortably turned on point by my girlfriends in their regular, non-intentionally sexy pajamas.

[fj1200]

Kinda retarded if you ask me. "immodest, pornographic"? I don't see it. Looks like any other female bodybuilding photos to me. I don't care for the muscular look on ladies, but I don't see anything inappropriate at all. There's no abuse, no harassment, no nudity, no bad messages...

The school should have that right ability.

[Perianne]

I wouldn't want to look like her. I am short and somewhat muscular from years of being a nurse, and from lifting weights last year, but geez, I have curves like a woman is supposed to. And I don't have balloon boobs.

[NightTrain]

Nothing wrong with that picture, and I think she's pretty hot!

[Perianne]

Nothing wrong with that picture, and I think she's pretty hot!

She looks better than Hillary. I will give you that. :)

[Noir]

I have curves like a woman is supposed to.

Good on you for having the courage to insult the women in the OP, and indeed all women who don't look how you think they are supposed to look.
B+

[Perianne]

Good on you for having the courage to insult the women in the OP, and indeed all women who don't look how you think they are supposed to look.
B+

Only a B+????

[Gunny]

Why haven't all of the hypocrites WHINED about the BRA, and PANTY advertisements on TV. Needless to say, those HOOTERS, and VICTORIA SECRET ads almost everywhere???

Give anybody a reason to complain about something...other than the ABORTION their parents didn't choose!!!!

Get ME started. Sitting in a roon with 3 pre-pubescent boys trying to deflect from the damned trojan and viagra commercials. However, this woman has on more clothes than some I've seen on the beach, and that actually IS the outfit for female fitness/bodybuilding athletes.

And guys can run around in the worst thing ever invented in the world -- the Speedo. And they seem to be sold only in Russia and to the 70 and above crowd here. :laugh:

I personally think it's none of the school's business.

[Perianne]

I personally think it's none of the school's business.

I agree.

[Gunny]

Most of Utah is part of the Cult of Latter Day Saints. They are not normal people. Thus, this story is not surprising to me.

You're a part of the Democratic cult. People who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

[Noir]

Only a B+????

Only a B+ because you didn't refer to the woman as an undesirable for not looking how you think she should look.
Gotta work for those A+'s.

[NightTrain]

Only a B+ because you didn't refer to the woman as an undesirable for not looking how you think she should look.
Gotta work for those A+'s.


There is nothing wrong with thinking one person is more attractive than another. Personal tastes are something a person has no control over.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Good on you for having the courage to insult the women in the OP, and indeed all women who don't look how you think they are supposed to look.
B+

What?? She shouldn't post her honest opinion?
She has the courage of her convictions and last time I checked that was not only a strong personality trait but also a virtue if those convictions are in line with good moral standards.
Was something not moral about her comment??--Tyr

[Gunny]

Only a B+ because you didn't refer to the woman as an undesirable for not looking how you think she should look.
Gotta work for those A+'s.

Why should she answer that question when it's all a matter of taste? We can go here if you want ... what do YOU find undesirable about women that you would prefer a man? Kinda being judgmental and trying to be the pot calling the kettle black, aren't you?

I don't like blondes. BFD. And I AM a blonde, btw. Just had bad luck with them.:laugh:

[Noir]

There is nothing wrong with thinking one person is more attractive than another. Personal tastes are something a person has no control over.

There is a difference in saying 'i do not find this person attractive' and 'I do not find this person attractive because they do not look how they are suppose to look.'


What?? She shouldn't post her honest opinion?

She can post her opinion if she wants, and should be prepared to have people be critical of it.


She has the courage...

Pls note i already lampooned the idea of her "courage" to make such statements, following up by stating such courage is hilarious xD


Why should she answer that question when it's all a matter of taste? We can go here if you want ... what do YOU find undesirable about women that you would prefer a man? Kinda being judgmental and trying to be the pot calling the kettle black, aren't you?

I don't like blondes. BFD. And I AM a blonde, btw. Just had bad luck with them.:laugh:


See answer to NT. What you find attractive and how someone is "supposed" to look are different statements.

[Noir]

I am certain at least one persons partner on here (and maybe more) is a women who is fairly muscular, presumably because that is how they want to be.
To state this is not how 'women are supposed to be' is an insult to both that person and their partner.

[Gunny]

There is a difference in saying 'i do not find this person attractive' and 'I do not find this person attractive because they do not look how they are suppose to look.'



She can post her opinion if she wants, and should be prepared to have people be critical of it.


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Pls note i already lampooned the idea of her "courage" to make such statements, following up by stating such courage is hilarious xD




See answer to NT. What you find attractive and how someone is "supposed" to look are different statements.

You want ME to go strolling through a thread when I don't even follow links nor watch videos? Good luck with THAT shit. How the Hell would YOU know what a girl is supposed to look like anyway?

You ought to consider the conversations you stick your nose into. You're 0 for 2 last couple of days.

[Abbey Marie]

Why should she answer that question when it's all a matter of taste? We can go here if you want ... what do YOU find undesirable about women that you would prefer a man? Kinda being judgmental and trying to be the pot calling the kettle black, aren't you?

I don't like blondes. BFD. And I AM a blonde, btw. Just had bad luck with them.:laugh:


Everyone knows redheads are hot. ;)

As for you, now I'm picturing you like Stephen Stills- my favorite blonde Texan.

[NightTrain]

There is a difference in saying 'i do not find this person attractive' and 'I do not find this person attractive because they do not look how they are suppose to look.'


There really isn't a difference. Both statements are driven by a person's personal preference and there's no accounting for taste.

What I don't get is your judgemental calling her out on expressing her opinion on what an attractive woman looks like. That kind of PC crap is silly.

[Noir]

There really isn't a difference. Both statements are driven by a person's personal preference and there's no accounting for taste.

What I don't get is your judgemental calling her out on expressing her opinion on what an attractive woman looks like. That kind of PC crap is silly.

If you don't have a problem with someone talking about how women are suppose to look, fair enough, I do.

[Perianne]

Only a B+ because you didn't refer to the woman as an undesirable for not looking how you think she should look.
Gotta work for those A+'s.

Now that you mention it, she does look kinda Mexican.

[NightTrain]

If you don't have a problem with someone talking about how women are suppose to look, fair enough, I do.

The difference between you and me is that I'm not so arrogant to think I should try to censor another adult's opinion.

That is a fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals - I think free speech applies to everyone, liberals think free speech only applies if they agree with the opinion.

[Noir]

The difference between you and me is that I'm not so arrogant to think I should try to censor another adult's opinion.

That is a fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals - I think free speech applies to everyone, liberals think free speech only applies if they agree with the opinion.

I'm not trying to censor her opinion, i am saying that I think her stated opinion is wrong.

She's free to make whatever vile opinions she has public (and often does) and i'm free to point out 'hey, that vile opinion is vile'.

No censor, nowhere.

[Perianne]

I am certain at least one persons partner on here (and maybe more) is a women who is fairly muscular, presumably because that is how they want to be.
To state this is not how 'women are supposed to be' is an insult to both that person and their partner.


I wouldn't want to look like her. I am short and somewhat muscular from years of being a nurse, and from lifting weights last year, but geez, I have curves like a woman is supposed to. And I don't have balloon boobs.

I admitted I am muscular. You can't be a nurse for 25+ years, turning and lifting people twice my size, without being strong. Last year I bench pressed over 100 pounds.

I also admit I have curves that are not fake balloon boobs.



I'm not trying to censor her opinion, i am saying that I think her stated opinion is wrong.

She's free to make whatever vile opinions she has public (and often does) and i'm free to point out 'hey, that vile opinion is vile'.

No censor, nowhere.


I do not have vile opinions. I have politically incorrect opinions. I speak the truth and some can't handle the truth.

Geez, gays are soooo sensitive. :)

[Noir]

I do not have vile opinions.

Who to believe, you, or my lying eyes? :rolleyes:


Geez, gays are soooo sensitive. :)

I am not gay.

[NightTrain]

Noir, we both know that you don't think she should have said it, in the name of being PC, when everyone knows she has every right to say it.

If you did actually respect her right to say that, you would have merely given your opinion on the subject, rather than disparaging her for saying it.

I agree with her opinion, btw, but that doesn't change my opinion that the chick in question is hot.

[Noir]

Noir, we both know that you don't think she should have said it, in the name of being PC, when everyone knows she has every right to say it.

If you did actually respect her right to say that, you would have merely given your opinion on the subject, rather than disparaging her for saying it.

I agree with her opinion, btw, but that doesn't change my opinion that the chick in question is hot.

I don't think that she should say it, because i don't think she should think it, because women do not have a way they are "supposed" to be.

However, as she does 'think it' then there is nothing wrong with her saying it, and following from that nothing wrong with me posting my opinion of her opinion.

If you agree that women are supposed to look a certain way then we fundamentally disagree.

[Perianne]

I don't think that she should say it, because i don't think she should think it, because women do not have a way they are "supposed" to be.

However, as she does 'think it' then there is nothing wrong with her saying it, and following from that nothing wrong with me posting my opinion of her opinion.

If you agree that women are supposed to look a certain way then we fundamentally disagree.

Such a silly disagreement.

[NightTrain]

I don't think that she should say it, because i don't think she should think it, because women do not have a way they are "supposed" to be.

What gives you the right to pass judgement on what's acceptable and what isn't?

You don't really believe in free speech at all.

Thanks for proving my point.

[CSM]

I don't think that she should say it, because i don't think she should think it, ........

And that quote right there says it all! The issue is NOT what you say but what you THINK. There is only one way a person should THINK and that is the way that the elitist liberal thinks. That is the very heart of the liberal's philosophy.

[Noir]

What gives you the right to pass judgement on what's acceptable and what isn't?

You don't really believe in free speech at all.

Thanks for proving my point.

Do you agree that 'Person A has the right to state their opinion, Person B has the right to respond Person A's opinion with their own opinion'?

[Noir]

And that quote right there says it all! The issue is NOT what you say but what you THINK. There is only one way a person should THINK and that is the way that the elitist liberal thinks. That is the very heart of the liberal's philosophy.

Do you not think that people can think wrongly?

[Gunny]

Everyone knows redheads are hot. ;)

As for you, now I'm picturing you like Stephen Stills- my favorite blonde Texan.

Abbey, I'm starting to suspect you are blonde. (my GF's a redhead, btw :) ) HOWEVER ...

I don't have any hair. I shave my head. :slap:

[CSM]

Do you not think that people can think wrongly?

LOL.... of course...I think YOU think wrongly quite often!

[Noir]

LOL.... of course...I think YOU think wrongly quite often!

I didn't have you marked down as an elitist liberal, but if you say so.

[CSM]

I didn't have you marked down as an elitist liberal, but if you say so.

That I am. Unlike many on this board, I firmly believe you can say and think anything you like ... regardless of how wrong you may be. I also believe in the theory of natural selection. If one is wrong enough in their thinking, eventually "nature" will take care of it.

[Gunny]

I didn't have you marked down as an elitist liberal, but if you say so.

I see you made a new "friend". Just what you need ... CSM on you. NT and I weren't good enough, huh? You got to mouth off to the SgtMaj? Fuck, I need some popcorn.:popcorn:

[CSM]

I see you made a new "friend". Just what you need ... CSM on you. NT and I weren't good enough, huh? You got to mouth off to the SgtMaj? Fuck, I need some popcorn.:popcorn:

LOL...Noir is awright...just a bit inexperienced. Life has not beaten him into submission just yet.

[Gunny]

LOL...Noir is awright...just a bit inexperienced. Life has not beaten him into submission just yet.

I just him shit cuz I can, SgtMaj. Last time I mouthed off to a SgtMaj it didn't work out too well for me. :laugh:

[CSM]

I just him shit cuz I can, SgtMaj. Last time I mouthed off to a SgtMaj it didn't work out too well for me. :laugh:

Sergeants Major are weird folks to be sure. Sometimes they are just one huge red button and no matter what you say or do they go off like a tactical nuke...other times you can pick at them all you want and it's like trying to destroy a steel ball with a rubber mallet. The trick is knowing which one of those states they are in at any given moment!

[Gunny]

Sergeants Major are weird folks to be sure. Sometimes they are just one huge red button and no matter what you say or do they go off like a tactical nuke...other times you can pick at them all you want and it's like trying to destroy a steel ball with a rubber mallet. The trick is knowing which one of those states they are in at any given moment!

I figured THAT one out as a PFC. :laugh: 38 days of guard duty is NOT fun just for pissing off the SgtMaj.:laugh:

[Elessar]

I think she could eat a few more sandwiches.
but she's right. there's nothing so bad about these photos. she's not sending them to kids.

Is she a teacher? how are threatening to fire her?

It may not be "appropriate" to see your friends mom like this but it's not a crime.
She could be a bit more modest but it's her choice not the schools.

I see it as a prudish, knee-jerk over-reaction by someone that minds other folks' business.

[Abbey Marie]

Noir, we both know that you don't think she should have said it, in the name of being PC, when everyone knows she has every right to say it.

If you did actually respect her right to say that, you would have merely given your opinion on the subject, rather than disparaging her for saying it.

I agree with her opinion, btw, but that doesn't change my opinion that the chick in question is hot.

Really? Dang. Eyes of the beholder, fer sure. :cool:

[Abbey Marie]

Abbey, I'm starting to suspect you are blonde. (my GF's a redhead, btw :) ) HOWEVER ...

I don't have any hair. I shave my head. :slap:

Nope, redhead here. I would never choose to have blonde hair. It's so over-done.

Hey, you said your were blonde. Eyebrows, maybe? ;)

[Gunny]

Really? Dang. Eyes of the beholder, fer sure. :cool:

I don't want a GF that can kick my ass. She's NOT unattractive to me though. I just understand workout freaks.

But you are absolutely correct ... eyes of the beholder.

[Abbey Marie]

I don't think that she should say it, because i don't think she should think it, because women do not have a way they are "supposed" to be.

However, as she does 'think it' then there is nothing wrong with her saying it, and following from that nothing wrong with me posting my opinion of her opinion.

If you agree that women are supposed to look a certain way then we fundamentally disagree.

Unfortunately, the media tell us all day every day how we are supposed to look. Most women buy into the message, and don't even realize they are doing it. It's that pervasive.

However, lest you think I am personally bitter or something, I was more than happy to benefit from my looks on job interviews and getting out of traffic tickets, etc. It might be nice if things were different, but that would probably take a society like Tehran. They are pretty lacking in superficial judgments of women's beauty. At least in public.
:wink2:

[Gunny]

Unfortunately, the media tell us all day every day how we are supposed to look. Most women buy into the message, and don't even realize they are doing it. It's that pervasive.

However, lest you think I am personally bitter or something, I was more than happy to benefit from my looks on job interviews and getting out of traffic tickets, etc. It might be nice if things were different, but that would probably take a society like Tehran. They are pretty lacking in superficial judgments of women's beauty. At least in public.
:wink2:

It doesn't work just for girls. Depends on your audience. You can get over in the military if you look good in uniform and not have a brain cell. It applies to everything and unfortunately we place WAY too much emphasis on looks in this country.

Did you know it started with the Barbie Doll? :laugh:

[CSM]

It doesn't work just for girls. Depends on your audience. You can get over in the military if you look good in uniform and not have a brain cell. It applies to everything and unfortunately we place WAY too much emphasis on looks in this country.

Did you know it started with the Barbie Doll? :laugh:

Oh it started long before the Barbie dolls. Since the first time men and women discovered that the two genders are different, we have been trying to tell the opposite gender how they should look and act. Take a look at some of the early commercials on television or rules of etiquette for both men and women.

[Gunny]

Oh it started long before the Barbie dolls. Since the first time men and women discovered that the two genders are different, we have been trying to tell the opposite gender how they should look and act. Take a look at some of the early commercials on television or rules of etiquette for both men and women.

I'm Mr 20s-30s- 40s-50s film buff. And I grew up watching 50s reruns. I know what you're saying. I was more referring to the current standard. You go back to earlier in the 20th century and the standard for women was a LOT different.

You look at men (and I was affected by this) pre "First Blood". We had muscle but no one expected us to be ripped 24-7. What most don't know is Stallone was hospitalized twice for being dehydrated and having no carbs in his body. At the time though, we were all supposed to have that "look". Hell, if you want a 6 pack out of me, let's go to the store and I'll buy you one. :laugh:

[Perianne]

Nope, redhead here. I would never choose to have blonde hair. It's so over-done.

Hey, you said your were blonde. Eyebrows, maybe? ;)

But I didn't choose blonde. It chose me. And my mom and dad.

[Elessar]

What?? She shouldn't post her honest opinion?
She has the courage of her convictions and last time I checked that was not only a strong personality trait but also a virtue if those convictions are in line with good moral standards.
Was something not moral about her comment??--Tyr

He's an idiot....not out of the basement yet and hiding behind Mommy's apron.

[Elessar]

Do you agree that 'Person A has the right to state their opinion, Person B has the right to respond Person A's opinion with their own opinion'?

Awww, Little Boy....

You just think you are smarter than everyone else...

Quite childish...Now sit in your high chair and pound your spoon while you get laughed at!:laugh2:

[Russ]

Abbey, I'm starting to suspect you are blonde.

Wrong. Red-headed babe. :cool:

[DragonStryk72]

There is a difference in saying 'i do not find this person attractive' and 'I do not find this person attractive because they do not look how they are suppose to look.'



She can post her opinion if she wants, and should be prepared to have people be critical of it.


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Pls note i already lampooned the idea of her "courage" to make such statements, following up by stating such courage is hilarious xD




See answer to NT. What you find attractive and how someone is "supposed" to look are different statements.

Gotta back up Noir here. Basically, the statement made about her was that she doesn't look like a woman, because it isn't the standard archetype of.how a woman "should" look. This changes it from a subjective statement of personal taste, and into an objective statement over what makes a woman a woman.

The former is entirely fine: after all, that's kind of what we're here for. The latter is this sort of weird elitism we love to engage in, where we get to say something like, say, Jim isn't a "real" Steelers fan because he isn't from Pittsburgh, so he can't really appreciate the history.

There's a similar thing happening for.women in gaming culture. Imagine a woman watches football every week, follows the whole season, and you guys go to the see the Super Bowl together, only to have some painted up chuckle nuts call her out as a "fake football girl", because she doesn't know some particular set 9f stats for one 9f the teams, or flub an individual players name. That's currently what is happening within gamer culture right now.

[DragonStryk72]

Awww, Little Boy....

You just think you are smarter than everyone else...

Quite childish...Now sit in your high chair and pound your spoon while you get laughed at!:laugh2:

This comment qualifies for two distinctions: The first is that it's another "how dare you post while (insert group they feel doesn't Have the right to speak)" post, in this case, the sheer unmitigated gall to post while being younger than someone else.

The second is it actually lends to Noir's side of the argument. It's a pretty common tactic on most sites to belittle a poster by talking down to them to keep from having to answer a question the person can't answer well. It's one of the most basic bitch moves of Internet debate, so it just showcases a lack of ability compared to the person it supposedly belittles.

[Noir]

Basically, the statement made about her was that she doesn't look like a woman, because it isn't the standard archetype of.how a woman "should" look. This changes it from a subjective statement of personal taste, and into an objective statement over what makes a woman a woman.

Someone else in this thread can read, hurrah!

[Noir]

Awww, Little Boy....

You just think you are smarter than everyone else...

Quite childish...Now sit in your high chair and pound your spoon while you get laughed at!:laugh2:

You've tried a few insults now over various threads now, and I'm sorry to say you're not very good at it. Seek help from Gunny, he gives a good insult so he does, and don't be disheartened - not everyone can be a natural.

[Gunny]

Gotta back up Noir here. Basically, the statement made about her was that she doesn't look like a woman, because it isn't the standard archetype of.how a woman "should" look. This changes it from a subjective statement of personal taste, and into an objective statement over what makes a woman a woman.

The former is entirely fine: after all, that's kind of what we're here for. The latter is this sort of weird elitism we love to engage in, where we get to say something like, say, Jim isn't a "real" Steelers fan because he isn't from Pittsburgh, so he can't really appreciate the history.

There's a similar thing happening for.women in gaming culture. Imagine a woman watches football every week, follows the whole season, and you guys go to the see the Super Bowl together, only to have some painted up chuckle nuts call her out as a "fake football girl", because she doesn't know some particular set 9f stats for one 9f the teams, or flub an individual players name. That's currently what is happening within gamer culture right now.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. A PERSON is "supposed to look" however they want. Having been in the fitness world and around female Marines for years (was married to one), that look doesn't phase me. Those freaks they call fashion models couldn't get a date with ME if THEY paid.

I don't get the Steelers analogy. I'm a Steelers fan. Drove through Pittsburgh once. Does THAT count?:laugh:

[Gunny]

Someone else in this thread can read, hurrah!

We ALL can read. Don't forget comprehension goes with it. YOU are being judgmental. Pretty simple.

[Gunny]

I'll go back to my original statement. It's a matter of taste.

In conversations over the years I've heard some strange stuff. I've been told by a female SSgt when I was a Cpl she would never go out with a bald guy. She was black as coffee and looked like a gorilla. I was thinking she should go out with anything that asked her.

A lot a women won't go out with a big guy that's all muscle. It's never offended me.

The first time I came home from Okinawa and saw a fat person I was like Holy Crap! I hadn't seen one in a year, and over there I was a damned giant.

Who is ANYONE to decide who and what others should be or look like? Should probably take a good look in the mirror.

[Noir]

We ALL can read. Don't forget comprehension goes with it. YOU are being judgmental. Pretty simple.

Yep, I am, there are two types of judgement going on here -
Periannes judgement - Women should look a certain way.
My judgement - There is no certain way a woman should look.

[Noir]

Who is ANYONE to decide who and what others should be or look like? Should probably take a good look in the mirror.

That would be ...perianne.

[Gunny]

That would be ...perianne.

I don't see where she's done anything but express an opinion. We ALL have our preferences. We all have our opinions. I don't think it requires several pages of character assassination just because we all think differently.

I in fact embrace that we all think differently and are allowed to express our opinions. At least what we have left of freedom of expression after the past 7 years.

I don't want to live in a cookie cutter house, drive a cookie cutter car to my cookie cutter job dressed in my cookie cutter khakis. And I don't want a cookie cutter woman and MY bones alone probably weigh more than you so I'd never fit the cookie cutter mold.

[Noir]

I don't see where she's done anything but express an opinion.

You're welcome to describe how stating how a woman should look is not a judgement on what women should look like.

[Gunny]

You're welcome to describe how stating how a woman should look is not a judgement on what women should look like.

I'm welcome to describe how I don't give a rat's ass what others think. You want to try playing semantics with ME you better belt up, junior.

Everyone discriminates starting with crawling out from under the covers. Every choice you make is discriminating. Every discriminating choice you make is based on your worldview -- judgment.

As hard as you lefties try, you can't accept the simple fact that you're as bad, and actually more judgmental of others than the right. So trying to play a game with a word that affects ALL of us all day every day is just a deflection from the facts. We're ALL judgmental.

This is a message board. The means of communication is written word. It's design and purpose are to express opinions. Feel free to express yours. AND feel free to get hammered if someone disagrees.

In your particular case I'll go back to one of my original statements: What the Hell does a thread about a WOMAN's appearance have to do with YOU? When you decide to grow up, you'll figure out you take a woman's opinion of another woman with a grain of salt. Same as a man's opinion of another man. I don't get why a woman would be attracted to a man who can't see his belt buckle but it happens all the time all over the world.

With age comes wisdom. Quit trying to figure out the unexplainable. You're trying to be all logical about something based on emotion.

Figure THIS out: You just got served.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Everyone knows redheads are hot. ;)

As for you, now I'm picturing you like Stephen Stills- my favorite blonde Texan.

Abbey, yes they are!!!
I never married a redhead but did date back in the day 4 true redheads and each one was not only a raving beauty but also a fiery gem! Each one was too much like me--for us to ever stay together.
But man were they ever hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had I been a lesser man(God forbid) I'd have knuckled under and been a sex slave to any one of them..:laugh:
But even that(paradise) could not tame me in my youth..--Tyr

[Drummond]

This comment qualifies for two distinctions: The first is that it's another "how dare you post while (insert group they feel doesn't Have the right to speak)" post, in this case, the sheer unmitigated gall to post while being younger than someone else.

The second is it actually lends to Noir's side of the argument. It's a pretty common tactic on most sites to belittle a poster by talking down to them to keep from having to answer a question the person can't answer well. It's one of the most basic bitch moves of Internet debate, so it just showcases a lack of ability compared to the person it supposedly belittles.

.... now, who does that remind me of .. ??? :laugh::laugh::laugh::eek::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[NightTrain]

Yep, I had a few redhead girlfriends back in the day... they all were amazing! The tempers that go along with that red hair are legendary, as well.

None hold a candle to my brunette wife, though! :happy0203:

[Noir]

I'm welcome to describe how I don't give a rat's ass what others think. You want to try playing semantics with ME you better belt up, junior.

Taking a break from pretending periannes stated opinions of how women should look are not judgements so you can mope about 'playing semantics' yeah? :laugh:

[Gunny]

Taking a break from pretending periannes stated opinions of how women should look are not judgements so you can mope about 'playing semantics' yeah? :laugh:

THIS is EXACTLY why I quit bothering to read and/or respond to drawn out posts. You've made NO argument. I have. You come back with a one liner stupid statement completely ignoring the points I made.

You couldn't play semantics with ME on your best day and my worst. Not sure what little private world you think you live in, but if you're going to play with the big boys, you need to bring some ammo.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

.... now, who does that remind me of .. ??? :laugh::laugh::laugh::eek::laugh::laugh::laugh:

F reaking
J oke and
The ass that brayed to hear his own echoes....;)

Was I dead on the money or what amigo?? --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

THIS is EXACTLY why I quit bothering to read and/or respond to drawn out posts. You've made NO argument. I have. You come back with a one liner stupid statement completely ignoring the points I made.

You couldn't play semantics with ME on your best day and my worst. Not sure what little private world you think you live in, but if you're going to play with the big boys, you need to bring some ammo.

Are you kidding?
As a certified lib he has ten million rounds of blanks to fire.. ;)
Any one of which is designed to chastise your ears.... and pay no heed to gaining any ground.. --Tyr

[Gunny]

Are you kidding?
As a certified lib he has ten million rounds of blanks to fire.. ;)
Any one of which is designed to chastise your ears.... and pay no heed to gaining any ground.. --Tyr

Don't disgrace the term "liberal" by calling these leftwingnut socialists "liberal". The actual liberal people in this thread are the "live and let live" people. These dumbass NAZIs have no clue what the word means. They usurped it from people that just mind their own business.

I used to go line by line responding to people only to get a one-liner as a response. What's the point? I made a valid argument he just ignored to sheeple out his socialist BS rhetoric like an old album with the needle stuck.

[fj1200]

F
J

I still own you two in a thread I'm barely in. :cool:

[jimnyc]

LOL...Noir is awright...just a bit inexperienced. Life has not beaten him into submission just yet.


I just him shit cuz I can, SgtMaj. Last time I mouthed off to a SgtMaj it didn't work out too well for me. :laugh:

Every time I see "Sgt Maj" I feel like saluting, and I've never even served. Respect! :salute:

[jimnyc]

I wouldn't want to look like her. I am short and somewhat muscular from years of being a nurse, and from lifting weights last year, but geez, I have curves like a woman is supposed to. And I don't have balloon boobs.


Good on you for having the courage to insult the women in the OP, and indeed all women who don't look how you think they are supposed to look.
B+

Here's my 2 cents on how this argument started, and what the comments mean. A LOT of people feel "women should have curves". Peri didn't invent these comments. The idea that women need to be scrawny and 100lbs started with modeling and magazine covers. In that respect, I agree, women are supposed to have curves. Far too much of Hollywood and magazines are telling women they need to look a certain way in order to fit in. I love boobies as much as the next guy, but I'm not fond of boob jobs to get there. I have NO problem with petite women, if it's natural, not bony/scrawny from vomiting and/or pills and drugs. I think men AND women were meant to have a little meat on them, which means a little bit of curves. This woman chose bodybuilding, which sculpts her body. Not my cup of tea, but if that's what she wants, let her have it.

[Gunny]

Every time I see "Sgt Maj" I feel like saluting, and I've never even served. Respect! :salute:

Damn Jim .. you don't salute SgtMaj's. You trying to get head-slapped? Or just your ass chewed for 20 minutes? And you damned sure don't call Senior enlisted "sir" unless you want a dissertation on how we work for a living. :laugh:

He gets his respect. I address him as SgtMaj. He earned the stripes. They aren't free.

[Gunny]

Here's my 2 cents on how this argument started, and what the comments mean. A LOT of people feel "women should have curves". Peri didn't invent these comments. The idea that women need to be scrawny and 100lbs started with modeling and magazine covers. In that respect, I agree, women are supposed to have curves. Far too much of Hollywood and magazines are telling women they need to look a certain way in order to fit in. I love boobies as much as the next guy, but I'm not fond of boob jobs to get there. I have NO problem with petite women, if it's natural, not bony/scrawny from vomiting and/or pills and drugs. I think men AND women were meant to have a little meat on them, which means a little bit of curves. This woman chose bodybuilding, which sculpts her body. Not my cup of tea, but if that's what she wants, let her have it.

What are you trying to say?:laugh2:

[jimnyc]

Damn Jim .. you don't salute SgtMaj's. You trying to get head-slapped? Or just your ass chewed for 20 minutes? And you damned sure don't call Senior enlisted "sir" unless you want a dissertation on how we work for a living. :laugh:

Well hell, WTF do you want me to call him? LOL And isn't it weird that a civilian gets to just wave at him, while you need to salute? I think so anyway, I dunno. Just feels like everyone should recognize certain things. :)

[jimnyc]

What are you trying to say?:laugh2:

Well, it makes sense when you get older and a little fatter - now it's time to start accepting such things. :coffee: At least for me.

[Gunny]

Well hell, WTF do you want me to call him? LOL And isn't it weird that a civilian gets to just wave at him, while you need to salute? I think so anyway, I dunno. Just feels like everyone should recognize certain things. :)

Missing what I said. You don't salute enlisted people. CSM means Command Sergeant Major. I'm military, you're not. That's why I'm trying to explain. Addressing him as CSM is fine. I call him SgtMaj out of habit. Some of them die hard. He gets his respect. I've actually had a couple of conversations with him and read his posts. I respect HIM, not just the stripes.

And I was just :poke: at you. :slap:

[Gunny]

Well, it makes sense when you get older and a little fatter - now it's time to start accepting such things. :coffee: At least for me.

I've always told people if I couldn't lift heavy weights I'd get smaller. I've lost at least 20 pounds in the last year. If I ate like I did in my powerlifting days, maybe not so much. :laugh:

I see food as fuel. I really don't eat junk either. I think pizza might be about as close as I get. Or Mexican food. I don't eat candy or ice cream or cake or Ho Hos nor anything like that. My problem is my clothes were bought when I was bigger and I'm down to a 32" waist. I can take my pants off without unbuttoning them. :laugh:

[jimnyc]

Missing what I said. You don't salute enlisted people. CSM means Command Sergeant Major. I'm military, you're not. That's why I'm trying to explain. Addressing him as CSM is fine. I call him SgtMaj out of habit. Some of them die hard. He gets his respect. I've actually had a couple of conversations with him and read his posts. I respect HIM, not just the stripes.

And I was just :poke: at you. :slap:

Oh, I know, that's why I said I FEEL like doing so, but I know it's not what civilians do. Kinda like when you see some of the extremely high ranking generals, you can't help but feel the patriotism and respect when you hear their titles and see the medals they have earned. In the real world if I run into someone from the military, I usually try and shake a hand at least and simply say thank you.

[Abbey Marie]

Oh, I know, that's why I said I FEEL like doing so, but I know it's not what civilians do. Kinda like when you see some of the extremely high ranking generals, you can't help but feel the patriotism and respect when you hear their titles and see the medals they have earned. In the real world if I run into someone from the military, I usually try and shake a hand at least and simply say thank you.


At USO, we have a sign that reads, "Please leave your rank at the door". But then when a General walks in, everyone gets all nervous and excited anyway.

And the reverential whispering, "We have a General in the house", begins. :laugh2: :salute:

[Gunny]

Oh, I know, that's why I said I FEEL like doing so, but I know it's not what civilians do. Kinda like when you see some of the extremely high ranking generals, you can't help but feel the patriotism and respect when you hear their titles and see the medals they have earned. In the real world if I run into someone from the military, I usually try and shake a hand at least and simply say thank you.

Y'know, thank us with your vote. Vote for someone who doesn't see us as once broken, discard. I'm jacked up but if I need a comeuppance all I have to do is walk through the ward at the base hospital. Double edged sword. I've been taught to suck it up all my life and when I see those vets whose lives have been destroyed, I think complaining about my knee is kind of wimpy and takes money away from THEM. But that hasn't fixed my knee.

These professional politicians don't care and never have. They have to go out and die. They don't have to come home with the guilt of the deal of a Marine on their hands. It's all a political game and always has been.

I'm not ungrateful for those who appreciate us. But put your money where your mouth is.

https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=1143&ovr_acv_id=1398&campaignSource=ONLINE&source=BS15153P&gclid=CP6d8qOn48gCFY0AaQodSxIMqQ

[Gunny]

And that was NOT aimed at Jim. It was aimed at the "we support the troops" crowd. I accept sincere appreciation. I DON'T accept people who mouth words because they think it's PC.

ANyone that thinks we can't tell the difference needs to get on Jeopardy and buy a clue.

What's that got to do with the hot chick in the OP?

[Perianne]

And that was NOT aimed at Jim. It was aimed at the "we support the troops" crowd. I accept sincere appreciation. I DON'T accept people who mouth words because they think it's PC.

ANyone that thinks we can't tell the difference needs to get on Jeopardy and buy a clue.

What's that got to do with the hot chick in the OP?

My avatar was an advertisement picture I saw on another site. THAT is how women are supposed to look.

[Gunny]

My avatar was an advertisement picture I saw on another site. THAT is how women are supposed to look.

According to you. I'll repeat, I take a woman's opinion of how a woman should look with a grain a salt. You can judge what attracts a guy about women about as well as I can judge what a woman finds attractive in a man.

Just a matter of opinion.

And y'all can call me UA or whatever. 'Bout time to babysit.

[jimnyc]

And that was NOT aimed at Jim. It was aimed at the "we support the troops" crowd. I accept sincere appreciation. I DON'T accept people who mouth words because they think it's PC.

ANyone that thinks we can't tell the difference needs to get on Jeopardy and buy a clue.

What's that got to do with the hot chick in the OP?

Anything we give to here must be as a family, unless one of us has some spare cash in our pockets for a small one off donation. But as an agreed decision, we give monthly to the NRA and to the wounded warrior project.

Honestly, if it were me in charge - I think the massive stadiums we see around the country for football and baseball - they should have similar for our veterans. They should be the best of the best of the best, that people would look at and be proud of, knowing that America takes pride in taking care of their own. So much crap would be removed in order to pay for it. It sounds outlandish because we've never seen our government come close to making it priority #1. But they could, and they should.

Our soldiers serve because they believe in our country and what it stands for. But if there's too long of a history of forgetting them, and letting them suffer when they return - why do future soldiers want to serve?

[jimnyc]

My avatar was an advertisement picture I saw on another site. THAT is how women are supposed to look.

Oh my. I think I'm in love!

[Thunderknuckles]

Pay no attention to Noir, the social justice warrior.
Woman are indeed supposed to have curves. It is a result of their physiology and musculoskeletal structure. Caitlyn Jenner would probably disagree with me but he can fuck off.

[Gunny]

Anything we give to here must be as a family, unless one of us has some spare cash in our pockets for a small one off donation. But as an agreed decision, we give monthly to the NRA and to the wounded warrior project.

Honestly, if it were me in charge - I think the massive stadiums we see around the country for football and baseball - they should have similar for our veterans. They should be the best of the best of the best, that people would look at and be proud of, knowing that America takes pride in taking care of their own. So much crap would be removed in order to pay for it. It sounds outlandish because we've never seen our government come close to making it priority #1. But they could, and they should.

Our soldiers serve because they believe in our country and what it stands for. But if there's too long of a history of forgetting them, and letting them suffer when they return - why do future soldiers want to serve?

Comes out of my paycheck every month automatically.

I didn't mean that to come off the way it did, and it wasn't aimed at you. You haven't really ever wavered from your stance. I was taught as kid if you take your toys outside and break them, you are responsible. Those are my brothers and sisters out there, and even my child was there. You don't just toss the broken toys in the toybox. You fix them.

We owe them and it's OUR responsibility to fix them.

[Elessar]

You've tried a few insults now over various threads now, and I'm sorry to say you're not very good at it. Seek help from Gunny, he gives a good insult so he does, and don't be disheartened - not everyone can be a natural.

Well...your sanctimonious and spoiled brat attitude does not impress me one bit. I can get as mean as Gunny.
You just remain a spoiled, spoon-pounding brat.

You love to tell others how to think. Many have told you to listen and grow up.
Remain in your fairy-princess world, never learning full life and respect of
others' toils and accomplishments. Tell career military men and women how wrong
they are and how you would do things differently. The problem is, you do not have
the balls to serve in any capacity, be it military or civil. Are you a eunuch?

That is how spoiled brats act. You are almost classic, one of the worst I have
seen in years on boards.

Just keep impressing yourself. I'll keep laughing. :laugh:

[Drummond]

I still own you two in a thread I'm barely in. :cool:

In your dreams.

[Drummond]

F reaking
J oke and
The ass that brayed to hear his own echoes....;)

Was I dead on the money or what amigo?? --Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[fj1200]

In your dreams.

You would be the one trolling here. :unsure: Anything to add about the topic?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You would be the one trolling here. :unsure: Anything to add about the topic?



Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
I still own you two in a thread I'm barely in.

First- Thats a lie.
Second- That has nothing to do with the topic so just who are you to
try to chastise Big D?
And third, you the king of trolling one-liners , calling any member here a troll is laughable and
insanely ridiculous. -Tyr

[Drummond]

What?? She shouldn't post her honest opinion?
She has the courage of her convictions and last time I checked that was not only a strong personality trait but also a virtue if those convictions are in line with good moral standards.
Was something not moral about her comment??--Tyr

Political correctness mode ON <on></on>... personal opinions may require a Socialist committee whose remit is to censor in accordance with political correctness imperatives ... [political correctness mode OFF<off></off>] ..:rolleyes:

[Drummond]

You would be the one trolling here. :unsure: Anything to add about the topic?

As usual, Tyr has done a better job in replying to you than I usually do.

I can only observe that if anyone's expert at trolling, it'd be you, FJ. Offhand, I can't think of anyone here who's been more outrageous at doing that on this forum than you.

[Drummond]

Do you not think that people can think wrongly?

... and what control-freaking 'authority' do you require to have in place, to pass such judgements on people ?

What script should socially-moulded citizens adhere to ?

[fj1200]

First- Thats a lie.

I'm pretty sure you don't know the definition; see below.


expert at trolling

I'm not the one chasing you around and whining like a leftie.

[Drummond]

I'm pretty sure you don't know the definition; see below.



I'm not the one chasing you around and whining like a leftie.

Newsflash: you only IMAGINE that you don't express yourself like a Leftie. You've tripped yourself up in the past, and I'm sure you'll do it again in the future. Since you think as one, you really can't help yourself.

[Gunny]

Well...your sanctimonious and spoiled brat attitude does not impress me one bit. I can get as mean as Gunny.
You just remain a spoiled, spoon-pounding brat.

You love to tell others how to think. Many have told you to listen and grow up.
Remain in your fairy-princess world, never learning full life and respect of
others' toils and accomplishments. Tell career military men and women how wrong
they are and how you would do things differently. The problem is, you do not have
the balls to serve in any capacity, be it military or civil. Are you a eunuch?

That is how spoiled brats act. You are almost classic, one of the worst I have
seen in years on boards.

Just keep impressing yourself. I'll keep laughing. :laugh:

"Somebody" just got served by a Coastie. :laugh::laugh:

[fj1200]

Newsflash:

Interesting way to admit you're a whiner and a troll. BTW, your imagination fails you again. Anything to add to the topic?

[Elessar]

"Somebody" just got served by a Coastie. :laugh::laugh:

Grins! Thanks! :coffee:

[Abbey Marie]

I disagree with PC attempts to shame us into restricting our opinions, but I think Noir is coming from a good place here. The reactions to his comment are a bit over the top, IMO.

[Elessar]

I disagree with PC attempts to shame us into restricting our opinions, but I think Noir is coming from a good place here. The reactions to his comment are a bit over the top, IMO.

Oh, M'Lady. I am quite sure he might be a nice kid to meet, really!

But respect for elders or betters (Quoting John Wayne in "Big Jake") is
not too bad of a way to be.

[Abbey Marie]

Oh, M'Lady. I am quite sure he might be a nice kid to meet, really!

But respect for elders or betters (Quoting John Wayne in "Big Jake") is
not too bad of a way to be.


Very true, Elessar.

(I think I asked this once, but is your name your initials (LSR), a Tolkein reference, or (how cool would that be) both? :cool:

[Elessar]

Very true, Elessar.

(I think I asked this once, but is your name your initials (LSR), a Tolkein reference, or (how cool would that be) both? :cool:

It is indeed.

I have read his works extensively and think they are marvelous.

How one man could write a mythology that complex is amazing.

Most mythologies are compiled over years by various writers.

[Abbey Marie]

It is indeed.

I have read his works extensively and think they are marvelous.

How one man could write a mythology that complex is amazing.

Most mythologies are compiled over years by various writers.


:thumb: I so agree. I rarely re-read a book even once, but I have read the trilogy over 20 times. And I am not even usually a fantasy reader. I think he pretty much stands alone.

[Elessar]

:thumb: I so agree. I rarely re-read a book even once, but I have read the trilogy over 20 times. And I am not even usually a fantasy reader. I think he pretty much stands alone.

I have read 'The Hobbit', 'Lord of The Rings', and 'The Silmarillion' each over 20 times.
The latter - every time I read it I seem to find something I missed before!

[Gunny]

I disagree with PC attempts to shame us into restricting our opinions, but I think Noir is coming from a good place here. The reactions to his comment are a bit over the top, IMO.

Nah. We just like picking at him. :laugh: Shouldn't be so sensitive, Abs. You know ME. If I was after him, it'd be on. If I disagree, I disagree. If I want to make it personal you know I'm very well capable. Otherwise, he's just another one of the group to me.

He's entitled to his opinion as far as I'm concerned. I didn't serve for the First Amendment Rights of a select few. Even if he is a Brit. This ain't a Brit board. And you should know by now I'll :poke: at anyone.

Speaking of ... where's Jim's lame-a$$ brother? That dude is about to get written up for Article 86 (unauthorized absence). We're all sick as Hell around here and I can still manage to get on so long as there isn't a baby hanging off my arm.

[jimnyc]

Speaking of ... where's Jim's lame-a$$ brother? That dude is about to get written up for Article 86 (unauthorized absence). We're all sick as Hell around here and I can still manage to get on so long as there isn't a baby hanging off my arm.

He finally comes back after a long absence and then now is gone for 2 days again. Maybe all the fun was too overwhelming for him and he needs a vacation already! :laugh:

[Gunny]

He finally comes back after a long absence and then now is gone for 2 days again. Maybe all the fun was too overwhelming for him and he needs a vacation already! :laugh:

Sounds about right for that lame d*ck. Probably got a little flowered heating pad on his head or some crap.:laugh:

[DragonStryk72]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. A PERSON is "supposed to look" however they want. Having been in the fitness world and around female Marines for years (was married to one), that look doesn't phase me. Those freaks they call fashion models couldn't get a date with ME if THEY paid.

I don't get the Steelers analogy. I'm a Steelers fan. Drove through Pittsburgh once. Does THAT count?:laugh:

That's the whole point of the analogy. Of course it counts. You can like the Steelers, or anything really, for whatever reason you want. It doesn't have to meet with my, or anyone's, approval. Being a fast is just that, it's being a fan.

Same reason I have a problem with people saying small town America is the "real" America. Well, no its not, all of America is the real America, and saying stuff like that is elitist, saying that only this one group are really Americans. Of course, the people in said group tend to agree with the statement, but all those outside it have an issue with the.point.

[Gunny]

That's the whole point of the analogy. Of course it counts. You can like the Steelers, or anything really, for whatever reason you want. It doesn't have to meet with my, or anyone's, approval. Being a fast is just that, it's being a fan.

Same reason I have a problem with people saying small town America is the "real" America. Well, no its not, all of America is the real America, and saying stuff like that is elitist, saying that only this one group are really Americans. Of course, the people in said group tend to agree with the statement, but all those outside it have an issue with the.point.

I was with you until you got to the "small town America" part. I've lived in a LOT of the big cities in this nation, and I've lived in some small towns. People in small towns are genuine. They have to live with each other. Most, for all of their lives. People in big cities are too caught up in their little rat race. They're inconsiderate and self absorbed.

[DragonStryk72]

I was with you until you got to the "small town America" part. I've lived in a LOT of the big cities in this nation, and I've lived in some small towns. People in small towns are genuine. They have to live with each other. Most, for all of their lives. People in big cities are too caught up in their little rat race. They're inconsiderate and self absorbed.

That doesn't make them less Americans. They simply have a different American life than the one you are used to. That's the thing about how large and diverse America is, is that we have vastly different cultures around one another. Life in NYC is very different than life here in even Portland, but that doesn't make either one less American than the other.

[Gunny]

That doesn't make them less Americans. They simply have a different American life than the one you are used to. That's the thing about how large and diverse America is, is that we have vastly different cultures around one another. Life in NYC is very different than life here in even Portland, but that doesn't make either one less American than the other.

It makes them less Constitutional.

Look at ALL the crap going on and what is the basis? Progressive leftwingers and a socialist agenda. The Constitution is NOT socialist. As far as I'm concerned, if the Constitution doesn't count, neither do you (the ubiquitous you).

[Abbey Marie]

I think we are splitting hairs here. People can be more "traditional' Americans, but of course all citizens regardless of locale are Americans.

IMO:
Those who work for a living if they can, pay their taxes, follow the laws and contribute to society, are "better Americans", IMO.

Illegals are decidedly not Americans.

[Gunny]

I think we are splitting hairs here. People can be more "traditional' Americans, but of course all citizens regardless of locale are Americans.

IMO:
Those who work for a living if they can, pay their taxes, follow the laws and contribute to society, are "better Americans", IMO.

Illegals are decidedly not Americans.

Been a word game for years. What is "American" and what is "unAmerican". The left goes "wah" over the word. The fact is, if you and or your choices go against the Constitution, it is unAmerican.