Sanders trouncing Trump, media ignores

[jimnyc]

This is something I know some won't like, but it's something we have to take seriously. If Trump can't beat Hillary or Sanders, then we have an issue if he wins the nomination. The Democrats are worse, and are going to likely push for Hillary no matter what. They would vote for her if she were in jail. She could kill their family members and they would still vote for her. And if she says "vote Sanders", well then they will. The character of their candidate matters not to them, nor their track record.

Anyway. And many of you know how I feel about polls. But if we get close and closer, and these polls continue as such, then what? I'd rather see Carson, Cruz or Fiorina in there than someone who literally doesn't care about her country. We are teetering on the edge with all of the damage that Obama has done, and then add in all of the COTUS grabs he has done and such. Now what happens if she were able to continue?

With that said, this is the same poll that has Carson in front of Trump, while the majority of polls still have Trump in front. One poll shouldn't send people into a panic... And many will find anything to jump on Trump about, or now even Sanders, as they're the front runners.

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In an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released Tuesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads Donald Trump in a presidential match-up by 9 points, 50 percent to 41 percent. In another recent poll, from CNN/ORC, Sanders also leads the GOP front-runner by 9, 53 percent to 44 percent. In a third poll, from Quinnipiac, Sanders leads Trump by 2 points, 46 percent to 44 percent. And in the summary polling from RealClearPolitics, as of Wednesday morning, he leads Trump by 3.2 points, 46.6 percent to 43.4 percent.

If NBC or Telemundo is granted permission by Republicans to host a GOP debate — or perhaps during a Trump performance hosting “Saturday Night Live” for 90 minutes, which would be an unseemly gift granted to a presidential candidate by a television network — Trump might be asked this fair question by a panelist who would soon be attacked for liberal bias:

What would it suggest about American politics, and how should Republicans react, if future polls track the NBC/Wall Street Journal and CNN/ORC polls and Bernie Sanders — or Hillary Clinton — appears poised to defeat the GOP nominee by 9 points in an epic landslide that could well bring Democrats back to power in Congress?

Would Trump, who constantly cites his strength in polling and who has called on competitor Jeb Bush to drop out of the race, drop out himself to prevent every branch of government from being controlled by Democrats, led by the democratic socialist Sanders or Clinton, the latest GOP Public Enemy No. 1?

If Trump were to read this column he might call me a “dope,” as he called the widely respected journalist John Harwood of CNBC, a network not known for having socialist sympathies, or perhaps he would call me a “bimbo,” as he tweeted about the widely respected host Megyn Kelly of Fox News, which has certainly never been accused of liberal bias. He might even try to get me fired as a columnist, a practice he famously perfected on “The Apprentice.”

The question I pose about Sanders beating Trump is highly plausible, because it is based on hard data from two recent polls, including from The Wall Street Journal, hardly a bastion of liberal bias.

On one level let’s give Trump great credit. In this campaign he has been — literally — the most brilliant manager of television news in the modern history of presidential politics. In the years I worked for Democratic leaders, if I had achieved for them the near total domination of network and cable television news coverage that the real estate tycoon has achieved, I would have received the most generous raise in congressional staff history.

http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/259182-brent-budowsky-sanders-trouncing-trump

[NightTrain]

The problem with that poll is that there are only 3 Dems vs 10 Reps running.

I'd be inclined to take those numbers a bit more seriously if it were 3 vs 3... Sanders enjoys a more unified support simply because there aren't as many candidates.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This is something I know some won't like, but it's something we have to take seriously. If Trump can't beat Hillary or Sanders, then we have an issue if he wins the nomination. The Democrats are worse, and are going to likely push for Hillary no matter what. They would vote for her if she were in jail. She could kill their family members and they would still vote for her. And if she says "vote Sanders", well then they will. The character of their candidate matters not to them, nor their track record.

Anyway. And many of you know how I feel about polls. But if we get close and closer, and these polls continue as such, then what? I'd rather see Carson, Cruz or Fiorina in there than someone who literally doesn't care about her country. We are teetering on the edge with all of the damage that Obama has done, and then add in all of the COTUS grabs he has done and such. Now what happens if she were able to continue?

With that said, this is the same poll that has Carson in front of Trump, while the majority of polls still have Trump in front. One poll shouldn't send people into a panic... And many will find anything to jump on Trump about, or now even Sanders, as they're the front runners.

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In an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released Tuesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads Donald Trump in a presidential match-up by 9 points, 50 percent to 41 percent. In another recent poll, from CNN/ORC, Sanders also leads the GOP front-runner by 9, 53 percent to 44 percent. In a third poll, from Quinnipiac, Sanders leads Trump by 2 points, 46 percent to 44 percent. And in the summary polling from RealClearPolitics, as of Wednesday morning, he leads Trump by 3.2 points, 46.6 percent to 43.4 percent.

If NBC or Telemundo is granted permission by Republicans to host a GOP debate — or perhaps during a Trump performance hosting “Saturday Night Live” for 90 minutes, which would be an unseemly gift granted to a presidential candidate by a television network — Trump might be asked this fair question by a panelist who would soon be attacked for liberal bias:

What would it suggest about American politics, and how should Republicans react, if future polls track the NBC/Wall Street Journal and CNN/ORC polls and Bernie Sanders — or Hillary Clinton — appears poised to defeat the GOP nominee by 9 points in an epic landslide that could well bring Democrats back to power in Congress?

Would Trump, who constantly cites his strength in polling and who has called on competitor Jeb Bush to drop out of the race, drop out himself to prevent every branch of government from being controlled by Democrats, led by the democratic socialist Sanders or Clinton, the latest GOP Public Enemy No. 1?

If Trump were to read this column he might call me a “dope,” as he called the widely respected journalist John Harwood of CNBC, a network not known for having socialist sympathies, or perhaps he would call me a “bimbo,” as he tweeted about the widely respected host Megyn Kelly of Fox News, which has certainly never been accused of liberal bias. He might even try to get me fired as a columnist, a practice he famously perfected on “The Apprentice.”

The question I pose about Sanders beating Trump is highly plausible, because it is based on hard data from two recent polls, including from The Wall Street Journal, hardly a bastion of liberal bias.

On one level let’s give Trump great credit. In this campaign he has been — literally — the most brilliant manager of television news in the modern history of presidential politics. In the years I worked for Democratic leaders, if I had achieved for them the near total domination of network and cable television news coverage that the real estate tycoon has achieved, I would have received the most generous raise in congressional staff history.

http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/259182-brent-budowsky-sanders-trouncing-trump

Its called propaganda friends. Tarnish his image as a winner and as leader of the pack. Projecting out what they want to be ..
They- leftists/libs/dems are masters at propaganda.
Other polls show any of our current top 5 candidates beating Sanders or hillary .......--Tyr

[jimnyc]

The problem with that poll is that there are only 3 Dems vs 10 Reps running.

I'd be inclined to take those numbers a bit more seriously if it were 3 vs 3... Sanders enjoys a more unified support simply because there aren't as many candidates.

I agree, young lad! It just got me thinking was all. Who has the best choice against the beotch, and in what order? I'd just hate to see someone run away with the primaries and then crash in the general.

[NightTrain]

I agree, young lad! It just got me thinking was all. Who has the best choice against the beotch, and in what order? I'd just hate to see someone run away with the primaries and then crash in the general.


Yeah, that's always a concern to Crash & Burn... especially if there's a nasty skeleton in the closet that wasn't unearthed prior to the nomination.

I really think any of the candidates running in the top spots will easily beat her. And I'm positive that Sanders can't win in any case, even in a matchup against Rand Paul. People will vote against Sanders just because he's a commie, regardless of who his opponent is, IMO.

[jimnyc]

Its called propaganda friends. Tarnish his image as a winner and as leader of the pack. Projecting out what they want to be ..
They- leftists/libs/dems are masters at propaganda.
Other polls show any of our current top 5 candidates beating Sanders or hillary .......--Tyr


Yeah, that's always a concern to Crash & Burn... especially if there's a nasty skeleton in the closet that wasn't unearthed prior to the nomination.

I really think any of the candidates running in the top spots will easily beat her. And I'm positive that Sanders can't win in any case, even in a matchup against Rand Paul. People will vote against Sanders just because he's a commie, regardless of who his opponent is, IMO.

I hope you guys are right. Trump is still #1 in my book, I just don't want to make a mistake is all. Personally, I think the top 5 on are side would beat either of them too. The fact that democrats support Hillary at ALL though makes me shake my head. This truly proves that they are retarded. Retarded people with access to vote scares me. And anyone with a brain knows what I mean when I use the word retarded as such. So if someone else has an issue with me using that word, the "R" word, bite my ass! :)

[Perianne]

I hope you guys are right. Trump is still #1 in my book, I just don't want to make a mistake is all. Personally, I think the top 5 on are side would beat either of them too. The fact that democrats support Hillary at ALL though makes me shake my head. This truly proves that they are retarded. Retarded people with access to vote scares me. And anyone with a brain knows what I mean when I use the word retarded as such. So if someone else has an issue with me using that word, the "R" word, bite my ass! :)

How can you ever know for sure? The elite Republicans tried to convince us that McCain was a winner. And then Romney. We can't listen to any of them.

I am still pulling for Cruz, Carson, and Trump.

[Black Diamond]

I agree, young lad! It just got me thinking was all. Who has the best choice against the beotch, and in what order? I'd just hate to see someone run away with the primaries and then crash in the general.

The middle decides elections. Let's keep that in mind.

[Gunny]

The middle decides elections. Let's keep that in mind.

No sh*t. And no one seems to want to recognize that. Been saying it since the 80s.

[Black Diamond]

Best chance to win general? Rubio, Jeb (puke), Huckabee. I don't know how Christie would do. Carson has huge lead over Hillary in the polls, but I don't know how long that will last. Carly is my candidate, but I don't know how long she will stay in.

[Gunny]

Best chance to win general? Rubio, Jeb (puke), Huckabee. I don't know how Christie would do. Carson has huge lead over Hillary in the polls, but I don't know how long that will last. Carly is my candidate, but I don't know how long she will stay in.

I honestly think neither Trump nor Carson will last. And I like Carson. A lot of people like Trump but he's a one-trick pony.

[Black Diamond]

I honestly think neither Trump nor Carson will last. And I like Carson. A lot of people like Trump but he's a one-trick pony.

I don't think Carson and Trump will last either. Carly is who I want, but I have no idea how she would do against Hillary.

[Gunny]

I don't think Carson and Trump will last either. Carly is who I want, but I have no idea how she would do against Hillary.

I want whoever is going to win against Hillary. And THAT is the way I'm voting.

I hope Carson DOES last. And if you asked me right now, I'd LOVE to see a Carson-Carly ticket. Carly at least has just zoomed in on Hillary and gone for it.

[LongTermGuy]

Personally ...I feel Trump will last......IMO...He will shovel the shit right back in their faces and will never ..ever be concerned about being "PC"...nice...cordial...Polite or quite...

....Americans are in a fight for their lives and their well being. I choose Trump to fight the fight of the nastiness...lies...Ignorance and deceit that America is facing daily ....Its all talk now... from all of us...I guess we will all see.

[Gunny]

Personally ...I feel Trump will last......IMO...He will shovel the shit right back in their faces and will never ..ever be concerned about being "PC"...nice...cordial...Polite or quite...

....Americans are in a fight for their lives and their well being. I choose Trump to fight the fight of the nastiness...lies...Ignorance and deceit that America is facing daily ....Its all talk now... from all of us...I guess we will all see.

We're in a fight for the very thing we stand for. The Constitution. Freedom. And we're losing BOTH.

[LongTermGuy]

We're in a fight for the very thing we stand for. The Constitution. Freedom. And we're losing BOTH.


I agree...its not over yet.....we will see.

[Gunny]

I agree...its not over yet.....we will see.

Don'r want to come around here after MY freedom. Nor my colours. And I don't care what you got. We're going to fight. Ans even if I lose. it won't be worth the price you pay in the end.

[Perianne]

I don't think Carson and Trump will last either. Carly is who I want, but I have no idea how she would do against Hillary.
Black Diamond, I was very early a supporter of Fiorina. Heck, I even donated to her campaign. But as of lately, I have given up on her; I don't think she has a chance. But I would like to see her as VP or some other important position. But what I would really, really like is to see her debate Hillary. She would treat Hillary like chewing tobacco: chew her up and spit her out!

[Abbey Marie]

I think it's been obvious that I like Dr. Carson very much. If it turns out that he cannot beat Hillary, then I think the smart move is to back Rubio. I expect he will have wider appeal than most of the candidates, and could get a decent amount of the Hispanic vote.

[Black Diamond]

Black Diamond, I was very early a supporter of Fiorina. Heck, I even donated to her campaign. But as of lately, I have given up on her; I don't think she has a chance. But I would like to see her as VP or some other important position. But what I would really, really like is to see her debate Hillary. She would treat Hillary like chewing tobacco: chew her up and spit her out!

And now Christie and Huckabee are out of the next debate so they may be done. Two of the four candidates I like. Can't believe they got bounced instead of rand Paul and Kasich

[Black Diamond]

I think it's been obvious that I like Dr. Carson very much. If it turns out that he cannot beat Hillary, then I think the smart move is to back Rubio. I expect he will have wider appeal than most of he candidates, and could get a decent amount of the Hispanic vote.

Yeah I like Rubio pretty well. Its a tough choice. I thought Gingrich would have made a better President than Romney. But I voted solely on electability in 2012 primary. I felt like crap when Romney lost anyway.

[Black Diamond]

Yeah I like Rubio pretty well. Its a tough choice. I thought Gingrich would have made a better President than Romney. But I voted solely on electability in 2012 primary. I felt like crap when Romney lost anyway.

The tough choice being voting for your candidate and voting on electability.

[fj1200]

And now Christie and Huckabee are out of the next debate so they may be done. Two of the four candidates I like. Can't believe they got bounced instead of rand Paul and Kasich

They appear to both be polling below Paul and Kasich.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

[Black Diamond]

They appear to both be polling below Paul and Kasich.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Yes. I assumed that was the reason. Amazing folks like those two better than Huck and Christie. Especially Rand. I guess hugging Obama is an unpardonable sin. I don't get Kasich over Huck at all.

[Abbey Marie]

And now Christie and Huckabee are out of the next debate so they may be done. Two of the four candidates I like. Can't believe they got bounced instead of rand Paul and Kasich

I felt exactly the same.


http://www.howardandrewjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Vulcan-Mind-Meld.jpg

[fj1200]

Yes. I assumed that was the reason. Amazing folks like those two better than Huck and Christie. Especially Rand. I guess hugging Obama is an unpardonable sin. I don't get Kasich over Huck at all.

I'd say they got it right.

[Black Diamond]

I'd say they got it right.

From a polling rules standpoint they did.

[fj1200]

I felt exactly the same.


http://www.howardandrewjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Vulcan-Mind-Meld.jpg

That's only true in Bizarro Star Trek world. :poke:

[fj1200]

From a polling rules standpoint they did.

And likelihood and superiority of candidate.

:scared:

[Black Diamond]

And likelihood and superiority of candidate.

:scared:

The scared emo made me back up. Can you explain please?

[fj1200]

The scared emo made me back up. Can you explain please?

Because now I'll have to explain why I don't like Huckabee. A moral crusader will not go anywhere in the General IMO.

[Black Diamond]

Because now I'll have to explain why I don't like Huckabee. A moral crusader will not go anywhere in the General IMO.

So you're voting on electability....

[fj1200]

So you're voting on electability....

Not necessarily. I don't think he adds anything that other than the social issues, though I don't disagree with the FairTax. I think Kasich is far more prepared than Huckabee.

[Black Diamond]

Not necessarily. I don't think he adds anything that other than the social issues, though I don't disagree with the FairTax. I think Kasich is far more prepared than Huckabee.

Kasich may be more prepared. He has more recent experience. He may be a good governor. But his personality is lacking

[fj1200]

Kasich may be more prepared. He has more recent experience. He may be a good governor. But his personality is lacking

I can't say I disagree with that but he did manage to get elected in a swing state plus maybe his calm demeanor will make Hillary look like the Simpsons crazy cat lady in comparison.

[Black Diamond]

I can't say I disagree with that but he did manage to get elected in a swing state plus maybe his calm demeanor will make Hillary look like the Simpsons crazy cat lady in comparison.

Using that model, Christie got elected in a blue state. :cool:

[Black Diamond]

I can't say I disagree with that but he did manage to get elected in a swing state plus maybe his calm demeanor will make Hillary look like the Simpsons crazy cat lady in comparison.

Rand Paul still being in bothers me more than Kasich being in

[Voted4Reagan]

Why are we worrying 12 months out from an election? Jesus Christ....If you have to panic do it in 8 or 9 months...

We haven't even had the primaries or selected a Candidate yet....This is all bullshit positioning...

[Black Diamond]

Why are we worrying 12 months out from an election? Jesus Christ....If you have to panic do it in 8 or 9 months...

We haven't even had the primaries or selected a Candidate yet....This is all bullshit positioning...
Unless two of the candidates you like are eliminated in favor of a total moron.

[Abbey Marie]

I can't say I disagree with that but he did manage to get elected in a swing state plus maybe his calm demeanor will make Hillary look like the Simpsons crazy cat lady in comparison.


He looked far from calm in the last debate, though. Turned me off, actually.

[jimnyc]

And now Christie and Huckabee are out of the next debate so they may be done. Two of the four candidates I like. Can't believe they got bounced instead of rand Paul and Kasich


They appear to both be polling below Paul and Kasich.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Should have tossed all 4 of them. While I like a few things about each of them, at this point all they are doing is taking airtime away from those who actually have a chance.

[jimnyc]

I think it's been obvious that I like Dr. Carson very much. If it turns out that he cannot beat Hillary, then I think the smart move is to back Rubio. I expect he will have wider appeal than most of the candidates, and could get a decent amount of the Hispanic vote.

But what if it turns out he can't beat Hillary, and we don't find this out until they already take the primaries? Same with Trump or Cruz. While I love him, I don't really see Rubio having a chance at this point. He was my front runner in the beginning, but I just don't see him pulling the numbers.

I think a couple of them may pull away with the numbers and the $$$ by March, others will drop for a lack of, and then it will be a much easier decision.

[LongTermGuy]

But what if it turns out he can't beat Hillary, and we don't find this out until they already take the primaries? Same with Trump or Cruz. While I love him, I don't really see Rubio having a chance at this point. He was my front runner in the beginning, but I just don't see him pulling the numbers.

I think a couple of them may pull away with the numbers and the $$$ by March, others will drop for a lack of, and then it will be a much easier decision.



`Marco Rubio has supported H1B1 visas for illegals in the past and hasn’t promoted American workers who are being replaced by low-wage immigrants. Some are flown over to work cheap for big corporations. For example, Disney forced American workers to train low-wage immigrants to take over their jobs.
Rubio backs the H1B visa which Trump describes as the “high tech” visa’s. He states that they take middle class well paying jobs away from Americans.
Mr Rubio’s message has been slightly distorted since he has been running for President.

`Rubio has demanded more H1=B’s programs for immigrants. Senator Rubio has been the top promoter in Congress for expanding the H-1B program even though millions of American tech workers are out of jobs. Rubio’s new bill triples H-1Bs and has zero protections for American workers. Advocates for tech workers said Rubio’s bill would “destroy” the U>S> tech workforce. (source: Breitbart.com)

Trump insists that Rubio is working for the lobbyists and not American workers. Silicone Valley billionaires contributed to his campaign so Trump shouts out that Rubio is the “Silicone Valley Puppet.” Disney’s CEO supports Rubio’s bill because they’ll hire low-wage workers. This bill is crippling to American citizens.
When the tide changes in a debate such as Rubio’s Bill, he seems to be doing the opposite of what he says. The informed voter should “think twice” before selecting a candidate like Rubio. He has walked the walk from billionaires, but he isn’t walking the walk for US jobs. American jobs need and must be filled by Americans first, not by H1b’s immigrants from Mexico and South America or everywhere but inside The USA,

Read more at http://dcgazette.com/calls-out-rubio-for-open-bordersbillionaire-donor-the-rubio-you-need-to-know/

[jimnyc]

^^ Yep, Peri was the first awhile back to fill me in with his various levels of support for immigrants. That's why he left my #1 spot. :)

[fj1200]

Using that model, Christie got elected in a blue state. :cool:

Touche.


He looked far from calm in the last debate, though. Turned me off, actually.

Well that's disappointing.


Should have tossed all 4 of them. While I like a few things about each of them, at this point all they are doing is taking airtime away from those who actually have a chance.

It's too early to cut it down to far.


`Marco Rubio has supported H1B1 visas for illegals...

H1Bs don't go to illegals. Nevertheless:

The Truth of the H1B visa (http://townhall.com/columnists/helenraleigh/2015/09/05/the-truth-of-the-h1b-visa-n2048326/page/full)
Restricting H-1B Visas Is Bad for Business and the Economy (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/05/restricting-h-1b-visas-is-bad-for-business-and-the-economy)

[Black Diamond]

But what if it turns out he can't beat Hillary, and we don't find this out until they already take the primaries? Same with Trump or Cruz. While I love him, I don't really see Rubio having a chance at this point. He was my front runner in the beginning, but I just don't see him pulling the numbers.

I think a couple of them may pull away with the numbers and the $$$ by March, others will drop for a lack of, and then it will be a much easier decision.

At the beginning I thought Jeb had best chance to win general.

[jimnyc]

It's too early to cut it down to far.

Perhaps, perhaps. But at some point they have to bring it down. Granted it's not nascar, but they should in fact follow a similar model for the debates. Maybe drop down 2 of them per debate, or 4 of them for every 3? Those on the ends of the podium seem to get missed out on a lot of questions. One of the only solutions would be to extend the debates, which nobody wants to do. Now, are their numbers that low because they are on the ends, or because that's just how it is from their campaigning? I think it's more about just who they are, and their campaigns. Rand Paul - no matter how much time you give him he is simply not going to win this race. Same with Kasich. Huckabee has been cooked for awhile, IMO. Is Graham or Pataki even up there anymore? Or Jindal?

Some are teetering on the edge. Ya can't just fire them. But eventually they need to clean up the debates and allow for us folks to actually learn some stuff from a normally timed debate. I think everyone can agree that the debates have sucked for various reasons thus far, time being one of them, and a few of them royally sucking as another. :)

[jimnyc]

At the beginning I thought Jeb had best chance to win general.

So did I. My issue with him was his name, whether or not it alone would affect him getting votes.

[Black Diamond]

Perhaps, perhaps. But at some point they have to bring it down. Granted it's not nascar, but they should in fact follow a similar model for the debates. Maybe drop down 2 of them per debate, or 4 of them for every 3? Those on the ends of the podium seem to get missed out on a lot of questions. One of the only solutions would be to extend the debates, which nobody wants to do. Now, are their numbers that low because they are on the ends, or because that's just how it is from their campaigning? I think it's more about just who they are, and their campaigns. Rand Paul - no matter how much time you give him he is simply not going to win this race. Same with Kasich. Huckabee has been cooked for awhile, IMO. Is Graham or Pataki even up there anymore? Or Jindal?

Some are teetering on the edge. Ya can't just fire them. But eventually they need to clean up the debates and allow for us folks to actually learn some stuff from a normally timed debate. I think everyone can agree that the debates have sucked for various reasons thus far, time being one of them, and a few of them royally sucking as another. :)
If they are done with huck and Christie, they should go down to six. And then should be six for a long while.

[fj1200]

Perhaps, perhaps. But at some point they have to bring it down.


If they are done with huck and Christie, they should go down to six.

A little early IMO because Santorum and Huckabee were not the nominees the past two cycles and we didn't have a candidate of Guiliani or Cain.

[jimnyc]

A little early IMO because Santorum and Huckabee were not the nominees the past two cycles and we didn't have a candidate of Guiliani or Cain.

Probably too late.. but maybe MORE debates, and then the ability to drop some sooner. If a candidate is going to run the country, surely having a couple of debates isn't a big deal in the long run.

[jimnyc]

And speaking of which, while reading Newsmax, here is an article detailing 7 reasons as to why Christie and Huckabee still belong on the stage...

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1. They have more experience than many — Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has more than 10 years of experience overseeing an executive office, and current New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has five. That means both have far more experience in office than Donald Trump, Ben Carson, and Carly Fiorina — all of whom have none. Having both won governorships and successfully defended them to win second terms, both men contribute real, hands-on knowledge whenever they debate, and relegating them to the undercard stage next week squanders their value.

2. They are leaders of the party — Huckabee and Christie have a long track record with the Republican party, having fundraised tens of millions of dollars, and helped many down-ticket candidates get a leg up. This is not something that can be said of current frontrunners Ben Carson or Donald Trump. Moreover, Huckabee broadcast conservative principles to millions each week as a Fox News host. As chairman of the Republican Governors Association, Christie was instrumental in forming the GOP wave that swept the 2014 elections.

3. They are lifelong conservatives — Both current frontrunners, Ben Carson and Donald Trump, have been registered Democrats in the past, according to The Daily Caller and Politifact. Huckabee and Christie are lifelong conservatives.

4. Competition is good for the party — Unlike the Democrats, who have effectively crowned Hillary Clinton with the nomination, the Republican field is more robust, diverse, and knowledgeable than it has ever been. Taking Huckabee and Christie's ideas off the main stage reduces competition, something that's fundamentally anti-American.

5. They fight back against the liberal mainstream media — As a former Fox News host, outspoken Christian, and heartland governor, Huckabee is hated by coastal liberals, aka the mainstream media. Likewise, Gov. Christie got unnecessarily dogpiled over Bridge-gate (he was proven innocent) for being an outspoken, tough-talking conservative with a record of getting stuff done. During the last debate, Huckabee refused to take the bait offered up by CNBC's moderators, and complimented Donald Trump instead of attacking him. Christie shut down the moderators when they drifted away from policy questions, calling them "rude."

6. They are effective at criticizing Hillary Clinton — During the last Democratic primary debate, Huckabee live tweeted throughout, and drew clear, effective lines of attack against the likely nominee. "At #DemDebate, Hillary will demonstrate her high level of intelligence by managing to remember, on every issue, the side she's currently on," he tweeted. During the last Republican debate, Christie praised his party, and bashed the other side. "I don’t see a lot of weakness on this stage, quite frankly. Where I see the weakness is in those three people that are left on the Democratic stage. You know, I see a socialist, an isolationist and a pessimist," he said. "I know who the pessimist is. It’s Hillary Clinton. And you put me on that stage against her next September, she won’t get within 10 miles of the White House. Take it to the bank."

7. They fight for religious freedom — Huckabee has a long record of speaking out on behalf of religious freedom, and most recently visited Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis after she was thrown in jail over her refusal to issue same-sex marriage licenses. Gov. Christie also has a strong record on religious freedom, and vowed to veto any bill legalizing same-sex marriage. In winning the governorship, he also became New Jersey's first pro-life executive since Roe v. Wade. Taking Huckabee and Christie off the main stage is a blow to religious freedom and the voices who defend it.

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