Being Married to a Muslim

[Perianne]

What would be some of the benefits of being married to a Muslim?

[Bilgerat]

What would be some of the benefits of being married to a Muslim?

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[Black Diamond]

What would be some of the benefits of being married to a Muslim?

Husband or wife?

[Gunny]

What would be some of the benefits of being married to a Muslim?

Ask Pix. She can tell you.

[PixieStix]

:laugh: I was never married to a muslim. I was married to a man who was born in Egypt as a Coptic Christian. He an his family came here when he was a teen to escape religious persecution. Unfortunately his sister was murdered by muslims in Egypt for walking to CHURCH. She should have never went back to visit, she never came back. My husband loathed anything to do with islam or the koran.

[PixieStix]

What would be some of the benefits of being married to a Muslim?

You would get a free copy of the qu'ran :coffee: You get to have a male escort everywhere you go :laugh:

[gabosaurus]

The couple who live across the street from us are from Pakistan. Both are devout Muslims. Neither is radicalized. Both are doctors. Husband is a surgeon. Wife works at a hospital emergency room. Their oldest son is at Stanford. Their daughter is friends with mine. No one wears a burqa.
I would be much more scared to be around one of you guys than them. :cool:

[PixieStix]

The couple who live across the street from us are from Pakistan. Both are devout Muslims. Neither is radicalized. Both are doctors. Husband is a surgeon. Wife works at a hospital emergency room. Their oldest son is at Stanford. Their daughter is friends with mine. No one wears a burqa.
I would be much more scared to be around one of you guys than them. :cool:


Be careful, things aren't always what they seem.

[Drummond]

Be careful, things aren't always what they seem.

Exactly.

Consider the 7/7 London bombers .. in light of this, describing the terrorist group's ringleader ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4678837.stm


Mohammad Sidique Khan had lived in the Beeston area of Leeds, then moved to Lees Holm in Dewsbury.

He was married to Hasina, and the couple had one young daughter.

The 30-year-old had been a teaching assistant at Hillside Primary School in Leeds since 2002.

Parents at the school told the BBC the teaching assistant had been highly regarded by children and parents.

"He was a good man, quiet," said one.

During its last Ofsted inspection in 2002, the school's learning assistants had been singled out for special praise in dealing with a transient pupil population from a socially deprived area.

Last November a BBC Radio 4 documentary found Khan spent most of his life as a westernised youth calling himself by the nickname "Sid" and did not talk about religion.

As a teenager, he shook off his Pakistani-Muslim identity, claim friends, and chose to present himself as an exclusively westernised young man going by the nickname "Sid".

A friend from school days, Rob Cardiss, said: "He used to hang around with white lads playing football.

"Some of the other Pakistani guys used to talk about Muslim suffering around the world but with Sidique you'd never really know what religion he was from."

You cannot reliably judge these things on appearances, Gabby.

[Drummond]

You would get a free copy of the qu'ran :coffee: You get to have a male escort everywhere you go :laugh:



http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8045&stc=1


If you wondered .. here's where this comes from ....

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Koran

[Black Diamond]

Mr Drummond, if someone mistypes that address....

[Drummond]

Mr Drummond, if someone mistypes that address....

It's a great site, though, worth a lot of laughs if you hit the right entries. Run by the British army (unofficially), it's their highly politically incorrect (spoof) version of Wikipedia.

Here's their one on Hamas ....

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Hamas

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8046&stc=1

There's embarrassment at the Hamas fancy dress party when everyone comes as a suicide bomber.


Hamas is a terrorist organization and (bizarrely) the government of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. Hamas is short for Harakat al-Muqāwamat al-Islāmiyyah, meaning "Islamic Resistance Movement".

It spends its days squandering foreign aid on weapons that it uses to annoy the next door Israelis who retaliate with a great deal more efficiency than a bunch of militant Allah botherers.

Hamas has an Extremely Good Customer rating from the Czech manufacturers of Semtex and from the Russian Kalashnikov factory.

[Perianne]

What would be some of the benefits of being married to a Muslim?

You can knit a good sweater from the hair you shave off of her/his back. :)

[gabosaurus]

You cannot reliably judge these things on appearances, Gabby.

You are right, of course. My daughter recently revealed the terrible truth about our wonderful neighbors.
No, they are not radical Muslims. It's far worse than that.

They are ... Republicans. :terror:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What would be some of the benefits of being married to a Muslim?

The women get good night's sleep when the husbands are fornicating with camels or their favorite sheep.
And they only have to bathe once every 5 months because even at 5 months dirty the still smell better than the animals the dumbass and cowardly muslim men just love the bang. -Tyr

[DragonStryk72]

I think we run into an issue of naming here. Most Muslim are fairly normal. The ones were yelling about are, for lack of a better term, the Orthodoxy of the Islamic faith, much like when you see a Hassidic Jew, they are far literal in their reading of the Holy book.

[Noir]

I think we run into an issue of naming here. Most Muslim are fairly normal. The ones were yelling about are, for lack of a better term, the Orthodoxy of the Islamic faith, much like when you see a Hassidic Jew, they are far literal in their reading of the Holy book.

A problem with 'fundamentalists' indicates a problem with the fundamentals.

[Drummond]

You are right, of course. My daughter recently revealed the terrible truth about our wonderful neighbors.
No, they are not radical Muslims. It's far worse than that.

They are ... Republicans. :terror:

Shock, horror. You have living in close proximity to you ... people who feel patriotic loyalty to your country !! AARGH !!!!:no:

And to think that, if they'd only been LEFTIES, they could've been preoccupied with the human rights of terrorists, instead !!

Looking on the bright side, of course, you know that their being there (Republicans, not terrorist apologists ..) won't drive down the worth of your property.

[Christie Brinkley]

What would be some of the benefits of being married to a Muslim?
Depends what kind of muslim, shia or sunni.

Best thing about a Sunni muslim is having a liberating burka or headscarf put upon you... again that is liberating as it prevents you from going outside in the middle east (which is the plan btw).

First hand experience, bin bag people included.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfSY9oSTSJA

[LongTermGuy]

Be careful, things aren't always what they seem.


​Of course....the koran tells them of what to expect of infidels...and how to "fit in"....Living close to simple minded appeasing / tolerant Liberals... (who claim "Americans" have a war on women) is a big plus for muzzies who try to hold back their smile...

[Drummond]

A problem with 'fundamentalists' indicates a problem with the fundamentals.

But does that necessarily address the full scope of the actual problem ?

Let me guess. You are, in your own way, doing a 'Cameron', or a 'Corbyn', or just about any other British politician's politically correct mistake, of insisting that only a very minor 'sect' of people are the ENTIRETY of the problem ?

How's that agenda coming along ?

[Noir]

But does that necessarily address the full scope of the actual problem ?

Let me guess. You are, in your own way, doing a 'Cameron', or a 'Corbyn', or just about any other British politician's politically correct mistake, of insisting that only a very minor 'sect' of people are the ENTIRETY of the problem ?

How's that agenda coming along ?

There is no need to "guess". You can read exactly what I think.
If you read what I said and take from it that I said "only a very minor 'sect' of people are the ENTIRETY of the problem" then you have failed to read anything other that what you decided you wanted to read.

[Drummond]

There is no need to "guess". You can read exactly what I think.
If you read what I said and take from it that I said "only a very minor 'sect' of people are the ENTIRETY of the problem" then you have failed to read anything other that what you decided you wanted to read.

What you 'said', was ...


A problem with 'fundamentalists' indicates a problem with the fundamentals.
... which attempts to limit the 'problem' to just the grouping you're describing. Which is what Cameron, Corbyn, etc etc delight in doing.

Did you stop to think (much less admit) that the problem with 'fundamentalists' comes from something not nearly as limited in its scope, therefore, defying your proposition ?

Or did you have a contrary agenda to push ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

There is no need to "guess". You can read exactly what I think.
If you read what I said and take from it that I said "only a very minor 'sect' of people are the ENTIRETY of the problem" then you have failed to read anything other that what you decided you wanted to read.

VERY MINOR YOU SAY!!! REALLY, WE ONLY HAD 11 MURDER OVER 3,000 OF OUR CITIZENS ON 9/11
AND NOW AT LEAST 15% of over a 1.2 billion people believe in entirely or else support jihad and murdering we infidels.
Thats almost 200 million--guess you flunked math , huh?
And above that 15% rests another 30% that f called by their faith would do far more!!
You have not got a damn clue!!!!!! -Tyr

[Noir]

What you 'said', was ...


... which attempts to limit the 'problem' to just the grouping you're describing. Which is what Cameron, Corbyn, etc etc delight in doing.

Did you stop to think (much less admit) that the problem with 'fundamentalists' comes from something not nearly as limited in its scope, therefore, defying your proposition ?

Or did you have a contrary agenda to push ?

Hilarious.
:'There are fundamental problems with Islam'
:'What's this socialist leftie liberal agenda you're pushing Noir!!?'

[Abbey Marie]

The couple who live across the street from us are from Pakistan. Both are devout Muslims. Neither is radicalized. Both are doctors. Husband is a surgeon. Wife works at a hospital emergency room. Their oldest son is at Stanford. Their daughter is friends with mine. No one wears a burqa.
I would be much more scared to be around one of you guys than them. :cool:

Not yet, anyway.

[Drummond]

Hilarious.
:'There are fundamental problems with Islam'
:'What's this socialist leftie liberal agenda you're pushing Noir!!?'

Now you're playing word games. No wonder FJ 'thanked' you, a comrade of his, no doubt ...

'Fundamental problems' isn't addressing the same thing as 'fundamentalISTS', and you're well aware of it. You're playing the marginalisation game of the 'politically correct', one designed to divert from the full scope of the Muslim problem.

If Socialists are committed to anything, it's the implementation of the gross distortion that 'fundamentalists' are a minority aberration.

It's like dealing with a cancerous growth just by removing a single cancerous cell from it.

[Noir]

Now you're playing word games. No wonder FJ 'thanked' you, a comrade of his, no doubt ...

'Fundamental problems' isn't addressing the same thing as 'fundamentalISTS', and you're well aware of it. You're playing the marginalisation game of the 'politically correct', one designed to divert from the full scope of the Muslim problem.

If Socialists are committed to anything, it's the implementation of the gross distortion that 'fundamentalists' are a minority aberration.

It's like dealing with a cancerous growth just by removing a single cancerous cell from it.

It would not matter if there was 1 Muslim fundamentalist or 1 billion of them. The fact that they are fundamentalists is a windowed view into the fundamentals offered. I don't think you can see how much we agree on this aspect of the discussion given your responses to me thus far.

[Drummond]

It would not matter if there was 1 Muslim fundamentalist or 1 billion of them.

Try telling that one to America's Homeland Security people. Or our own MI6. Or any imaginable Border Control Agency anywhere in the world. Honestly, Noir, you're being ridiculous, EVEN by Leftie 'standards' ..


The fact that they are fundamentalists is a windowed view into the fundamentals offered.

There is the ideology. There is adherence to it. There are those who act on it. The number of 'fundamentalists' providing you with a view of 'fundamentals' isn't so much a 'window', as a manifestation of the virulence of a plague. One doesn't pontificate about disease nearly as usefully as one ERADICATES it.


I don't think you can see how much we agree on this aspect of the discussion given your responses to me thus far.

Very well. Tell us of your eradication approach, Noir.

[Noir]

Try telling that one to America's Homeland Security people. Or our own MI6. Or any imaginable Border Control Agency anywhere in the world. Honestly, Noir, you're being ridiculous, EVEN by Leftie 'standards' ..

Sigh - the point being made was even if there was only 1 Islamic fundamentalist in the world, that would show that there is something wrong with the fundamentals imbedded in the Islamic faith.


There is the ideology. There is adherence to it. There are those who act on it. The number of 'fundamentalists' providing you with a view of 'fundamentals' isn't so much a 'window', as a manifestation of the virulence of a plague. One doesn't pontificate about disease nearly as usefully as one ERADICATES it.

Very well. Tell us of your eradication approach, Noir.

The question you pose is 'how do you kill a religion' I have no answer for that.

[Abbey Marie]

Sigh - the point being made was even if there was only 1 Islamic fundamentalist in the world, that would show that there is something wrong with the fundamentals imbedded in the Islamic faith.



The question you pose is 'how do you kill a religion' I have no answer for that.


Anyone who follows a religion's basic tenets is by definition a fundamentalist. Its widespread modern-day use as a pejorative term was to attack Christianity, as I am sure you are aware.
Difference is- even a cursory reading of the New testament shows that the "fundamental" message of Christianity is... Love.
What is the fundamental message of Islam?

[Noir]

Anyone who follows a religion's basic tenets is by definition a fundamentalist. Its widespread modern-day use as a pejorative term was to attack Christianity, as I am sure you are aware.
Difference is- even a cursory reading of the New testament shows that the "fundamental" message of Christianity is... Love.
What is the fundamental message of Islam?

The fundementals of all the abrahamic faiths are pretty poor - Fundamentalist Jews, Christians, and Muslims are not renowned for their peaceful/loving ways. (Though for the sake of the thread it's probably best to focus on Muslisms).

Consider by way of a reasonably stark example Jainism.
- Is there a logical link to be made for someone being a murderer because they are a fundamentalist Jain?

[Drummond]

Sigh - the point being made was even if there was only 1 Islamic fundamentalist in the world, that would show that there is something wrong with the fundamentals imbedded in the Islamic faith.

So, you'd have me believe that all you were really saying was the bleedin' obvious ???

... by the way, the spelling is EMBEDDED ...

Besides, what really matters is what's done in that faith's name. We see what that is ... and we've seen, just in recent days, how thoroughly determined the majority of Lefties are to do as little as possible to counter that.

Those who 'broke ranks' from Corbyn's leadership on the issue, as I'm sure you know by now, ended up getting themselves on a hate list. And getting abusive tweets. And pictures of decapitated children posted to them at home. Or, in one case, being asked if she'd take the severed limb of a bombed child as a souvenir ... typically 'laudable, decent' conduct from disgusting Lefties, Noir.

I wonder if you approve of any of that ? Do you ?


The question you pose is 'how do you kill a religion' I have no answer for that.

One is to convert adherents to it to the CORRECT religion ... of course.

Another is, if you can't wipe out the religion itself, demoralise to the point of extinction all those who commit subhuman acts in the furtherance of it. Break the back of any hope of achieving any sought-after effect from terrorism, and you break the terrorism itself ... to indulge in any of it is then perceivable as sheer madness.

[Noir]

So, you'd have me believe that all you were really saying was the bleedin' obvious ???

You know what happened when a stated the bleedin' obvious? You argued with it :laugh:


... by the way, the spelling is EMBEDDED ...

That one always snags me >,>


Besides, what really matters is what's done in that faith's name. We see what that is ... and we've seen, just in recent days, how thoroughly determined the majority of Lefties are to do as little as possible to counter that.

Those who 'broke ranks' from Corbyn's leadership on the issue, as I'm sure you know by now, ended up getting themselves on a hate list. And getting abusive tweets. And pictures of decapitated children posted to them at home. Or, in one case, being asked if she'd take the severed limb of a bombed child as a souvenir ... typically 'laudable, decent' conduct from disgusting Lefties, Noir.

I wonder if you approve of any of that ? Do you ?

i don't know why you're bringing Corbyn into this thread, but regardless - No, I do not approve of sending abusive tweets etc.



One is to convert adherents to it to the CORRECT religion ... of course.

Another is, if you can't wipe out the religion itself, demoralise to the point of extinction all those who commit subhuman acts in the furtherance of it. Break the back of any hope of achieving any sought-after effect from terrorism, and you break the terrorism itself ... to indulge in any of it is then perceivable as sheer madness.

I believe it is well documented that the Romans had a simalar approch to Christianity - Didn't really work then, and that was before the Internet. As I said I don't have the answer, and nor do you.

[Drummond]

The fundementals of all the abrahamic faiths are pretty poor - Fundamentalist Jews, Christians, and Muslims are not renowned for their peaceful/loving ways. (Though for the sake of the thread it's probably best to focus on Muslisms).

You've really got to do something about that spelling. Try a spell-checker.

... Fascinating. OK, then, show us that Jihadism is a Christian concept !


Consider by way of a reasonably stark example Jainism.
- Is there a logical link to be made for someone being a murderer because they are a fundamentalist Jain?

As I understand it, if you're a 'Jainist', then being a murderer is anathema to Jainism itself. Would that murderer prove himself to NOT be a Jainist in the first place .. which makes your argument a nonsense ... ?

[Gunny]

Hilarious.
:'There are fundamental problems with Islam'
:'What's this socialist leftie liberal agenda you're pushing Noir!!?'

Easier question: What socialist/lefty agenda are you NOT pushing?

[Drummond]

You know what happened when a stated the bleedin' obvious? You argued with it :laugh:

Those who play with words invite arguments .. in fact, isn't that the point of bothering ?


i don't know why you're bringing Corbyn into this thread,

He's an example of a Leftie who'll go out of his way to sanitise Islam and Islamist conduct, and finds excuses to (a) try and send us to sleep over the dangers some of the deadliest terrorists on the planet pose to us, and (b) even keep them from harm !!!


but regardless - No, I do not approve of sending abusive tweets etc.

So, you're not THAT kind of Leftie, then. All well and good.


I believe it is well documented that the Romans had a simalar approch to Christianity - Didn't really work then, and that was before the Internet. As I said I don't have the answer, and nor do you.

Yes, I do (typos ignored). Or to be more precise, GW Bush had an answer. His answer was the War on Terror. His answer was to get to a point where, after so much damage had been done to terrorism, and after so much of the world had united with him and his country to make the world's environment too toxic for terrorism to ever hope of thriving within it, to neutralise it altogether, thereby winning that war.

He failed, though. Why ? Because LEFTIES across the world ensured only a limited response. Spain was one 'good' example: Aznar was a good Conservative, sold on Bush's objective, and willing to do what he could to support it. Along came an election, Zapotero for the Leftie opposition won it, threw Aznar out of power, and Spain's cooperation ended virtually overnight.

Where there's a chance of clear and decisive action against terrorism's practitioners, along come a bunch of Lefties to equivocate its chances into oblivion. This was what they hoped for when they marched, in their MILLIONS, to try and stop the 2003 Iraq invasion.

Had Saddam not been touched, had he continued on, his freedom to get and keep WMD's would've been assured. His bankrolling of Hamas would've continued. Any further dodgy deals with terrorists (e.g his giving Zarqawi safe haven) would've been unopposed.

[Gunny]

Those who play with words invite arguments .. in fact, isn't that the point of bothering ?



He's an example of a Leftie who'll go out of his way to sanitise Islam and Islamist conduct, and finds excuses to (a) try and send us to sleep over the dangers some of the deadliest terrorists on the planet pose to us, and (b) even keep them from harm !!!



So, you're not THAT kind of Leftie, then. All well and good.



Yes, I do (typos ignored). Or to be more precise, GW Bush had an answer. His answer was the War on Terror. His answer was to get to a point where, after so much damage had been done to terrorism, and after so much of the world had united with him and his country to make the world's environment too toxic for terrorism to ever hope of thriving within it, to neutralise it altogether, thereby winning that war.

He failed, though. Why ? Because LEFTIES across the world ensured only a limited response. Spain was one 'good' example: Aznar was a good Conservative, sold on Bush's objective, and willing to do what he could to support it. Along came an election, Zapotero for the Leftie opposition won it, threw Aznar out of power, and Spain's cooperation ended virtually overnight.

Where there's a chance of clear and decisive action against terrorism's practitioners, along come a bunch of Lefties to equivocate its chances into oblivion. This was what they hoped for when they marched, in their MILLIONS, to try and stop the 2003 Iraq invasion.

Had Saddam not been touched, had he continued on, his freedom to get and keep WMD's would've been assured. His bankrolling of Hamas would've continued. Any further dodgy deals with terrorists (e.g his giving Zarqawi safe haven) would've been unopposed.

Charles "the Hammer" Martel had the answer. Attack THEM, and kill them all.

[Drummond]

Charles "the Hammer" Martel had the answer. Attack THEM, and kill them all.:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Abbey Marie]

The fundementals of all the abrahamic faiths are pretty poor - Fundamentalist Jews, Christians, and Muslims are not renowned for their peaceful/loving ways. (Though for the sake of the thread it's probably best to focus on Muslisms).

Consider by way of a reasonably stark example Jainism.
- Is there a logical link to be made for someone being a murderer because they are a fundamentalist Jain?


Uh, no. The fundamental teaching of Jesus Christ, upon whose tenets we base the term and practice of Christianity, is love of God and love of neighbor. Love. In case you were wondering, this is not OT- it is the teaching of Christ. If you want OT followers, you want the Jews.

[Jeff]

Be careful, things aren't always what they seem.

Pixie it will all come out in the wash, these liberal type people keep wanting to say how good everyone is but when the sheot hits the fan they are going to be looking for the Rednecks, Bikers or shall I just say real men to protect them, myself I am going to throw the liberals to the muzzies the same way a throw raw meat to a lion. :laugh:

[Abbey Marie]

Pixie it will all come out in the wash, these liberal type people keep wanting to say how good everyone is but when the sheot hits the fan they are going to be looking for the Rednecks, Bikers or shall I just say real men to protect them, myself I am going to throw the liberals to the muzzies the same way a throw raw meat to a lion. :laugh:


I just don't for the life of me understand how we got to the point, where about half of our country wants to live in denial about Islam. It is a dangerous and stupid way to think.
How do they benefit from it???

[Jeff]

I just don't for the life of me understand how we got to the point that about half of our country wants to live in denial about Islam. It is a dangerous and stupid way to think.
How do they benefit from it?

Same half that voted for Obama, same half that is on the left. I guess it's easier to stick your head in the sand and make believe everything is peaches and cream. I just hope all those that have had to listen to their trash remember when the sheot hits the fan to not feel bad for them as they explain ( while they are getting their head cut off ) how they are really on their side. :laugh:

[LongTermGuy]

I just don't for the life of me understand how we got to the point that about half of our country wants to live in denial about Islam. It is a dangerous and stupid way to think.
How do they benefit from it?

​Called...`LongTerm`... Indoctrination over the years ...."Always Americas Fault"........The filthy leftist had a plan for the future..

*Moral decay and stupidity.... More votes and control...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Anyone who follows a religion's basic tenets is by definition a fundamentalist. Its widespread modern-day use as a pejorative term was to attack Christianity, as I am sure you are aware.
Difference is- even a cursory reading of the New testament shows that the "fundamental" message of Christianity is... Love.
What is the fundamental message of Islam?



What is the fundamental message of Islam?

Convert to our religion or else be enslaved or die!
Islam exists solely to kill people, since no religion has ever controlled every human on earth.
Islam's Allah is truly just Satan in disguise my friend.
As it teaches, murder, rape, child molestation, animal sex and a brain dead form of insanity.
Lynch can kiss my ass, I'll say whatever the hell I want about the stinking muslim bastards!
Its called freedom of speech and that bitch had better shut the hell up about prosecuting Christians OR ORDINARY CITIZENS THAT DARE SPEAK THEIR MINDS; SPEAK THE TRUTH.. -Tyr

[Noir]

Uh, no. The fundamental teaching of Jesus Christ, upon whose tenets we base the term and practice of Christianity, is love of God and love of neighbor. Love. In case you were wondering, this is not OT- it is the teaching of Christ. If you want OT followers, you want the Jews.

In fairness I've always found the Jews tend to be quite candid about the details and dirt laced through their books, its the Muslims and Christians always seem to go out of there way to convince others/themselves that theirs is a religion of peace/love etc. Regardless of that it is the Muslims who quite obviously have the worst fundemental structure upon which to build, for which we are seeing the real world consequences at present.

[Noir]

... Fascinating. OK, then, show us that Jihadism is a Christian concept !

Certainly, when you quote where I said "Jihadism is a Christian concept", which I didn't, because it's not.


As I understand it, if you're a 'Jainist', then being a murderer is anathema to Jainism itself. Would that murderer prove himself to NOT be a Jainist in the first place .. which makes your argument a nonsense ... ?

The question is how a fundamentalist Janist becomes a murderer because of their fundamentalism.

[Abbey Marie]

In fairness I've always found the Jews tend to be quite candid about the details and dirt laced through their books, its the Muslims and Christians always seem to go out of there way to convince others/themselves that theirs is a religion of peace/love etc. Regardless of that it is the Muslims who quite obviously have the worst fundemental structure upon which to build, for which we are seeing the real world consequences at present.

We Christians do not have to convince you; the words of Christ do that for us. Which was my point- the fundamental concept of Christianity is spelled out quite clearly in the Bible. (As you may know, His words are often printed in red, to make it easier if you're interested in revisiting them).

As for Muslims, I think it is mostly non-Muslim liberals who keep telling us Islam is a religion of peace. I don't think Muslims care all that much what we think about it.

Tangentially, I took away from our sermon this morning this great line:
"None of us is good enough to not need His grace, and none of us is bad enough to not be able to receive it".

Isn't that awesome? :thumb:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

In fairness I've always found the Jews tend to be quite candid about the details and dirt laced through their books, its the Muslims and Christians always seem to go out of there way to convince others/themselves that theirs is a religion of peace/love etc. Regardless of that it is the Muslims who quite obviously have the worst fundemental structure upon which to build, for which we are seeing the real world consequences at present.


In fairness I've always found the Jews tend to be quite candid about the details and dirt laced through their books, its the Muslims and Christians always seem to go out of there way to convince others/themselves that theirs is a religion of peace/love etc.

Exactly why would that matter, since the Jews deny the divinity of God's only Son, Jesus Christ?
Are you citing them as experts or valid in some sort of way, while ignoring their very denial of the validity of Christianity!

They deny Christ, they then deny their own- so exactly what would that make them --except- deniers --which is what you are.
So why present it, as if its some new authoritative revelation, etc?
So Jews and Muslims deny the divinity of Jesus?
WHO EXACTLY DID NOT ALREADY KNOW THIS ?
Are you citing that some sort of great authoritative proof of the correctness of your "religious beliefs" or "lack of"?--Tyr

[PixieStix]

We Christians do not have to convince you; the words of Christ do that for us. Which was my point- the fundamental concept of Christianity is spelled out quite clearly in the Bible. (As you may know, His words are often printed in red, to make it easier if you're interested in revisiting them).

As for Muslims, I think it is mostly non-Muslim liberals who keep telling us Islam is a religion of peace. I don't think Muslims care all that much what we think about it.

Tangentially, I took away from our sermon this morning this great line:
"None of us is good enough to not need His grace, and none of us is bad enough to not be able to receive it".

Isn't that awesome? :thumb:

This s a spiritual war which is why so many are quick to deny the fact that Muslims don't have a strategy, they simply want to kill us, anyway and anywhere they can. Unless we convert. It really is that simple.

America stands for freedom of just about everything. This is why they hate us.

But Islam stand for death oppression and destruction. America was founded on Religious freedom. I don't have to convert to anything and my government is suppose to protect us from enemies foreign and domestic.

[jimnyc]

My sincerest of condolences to anyone married to a muslim. I feel for the ladies that now must live like rocks buried in the dirt, or in fear that their lives may be ended by one of those rocks for a petty crime, which may not even be a "crime".

The benefits. Oh so many! Free vests. If you can't find a wife, you have one forced for you, or you can have a free goat. You have the advantage of getting many, many virgins if you choose that route. And where else can you find so many hairy women?

[Abbey Marie]

My sincerest of condolences to anyone married to a muslim. I feel for the ladies that now must live like rocks buried in the dirt, or in fear that their lives may be ended by one of those rocks for a petty crime, which may not even be a "crime".

The benefits. Oh so many! Free vests. If you can't find a wife, you have one forced for you, or you can have a free goat. You have the advantage of getting many, many virgins if you choose that route. And where else can you find so many hairy women?

Now, Jim, don't forget- a woman can easily get a rape conviction under Islam. She just needs 3 eye-witnesses to testify. And then there are those buried-to-the neck hot stone "facials".

[PixieStix]

Now, Jim, don't forget- a woman can easily get a rape conviction under Islam. She just needs 3 eye-witnesses to testify. And then there are those buried-to-the neck hot stone "facials".

And remember the eye witnesses have to be men. 0:rolleyes:

[DLT]

What would be some of the benefits of being married to a Muslim?

Well.....if you were butt-ugly and fat (ie most leftie hags...lol)....you could hide behind those burkas and pretend that you had no choice. And if you were already a mindless zombie-like sheeple....you would never have to think for yourself (probably would be a very painful experience anyway if you're a leftie)...since your muzzie husband and Islam would dictate your every word, thought and action. Much less stress trying to be a (gasp) individual that way.

And hell, if you were married to a muzzie....just think how much better treatment you would get from American leftists....

vs. the way they would treat you if you were a Christian...or even a (another gasp) Conservative. The perks are endless (and eternal)!

(< /sarcasmoff >)

[jimnyc]

Now, Jim, don't forget- a woman can easily get a rape conviction under Islam. She just needs 3 eye-witnesses to testify. And then there are those buried-to-the neck hot stone "facials".


And remember the eye witnesses have to be men. 0:rolleyes:

All 3 must be men. And what happens if a woman makes an accusation? In many places she will now be killed for such an accusation. Many places the man must also CONFESS. What happens if either of them is married? That's right, now it's adultery. Of course the woman's word is only worth half of the man's word.

Bottom line - in many places - the woman can legally be killed for simply reporting that she was raped. What a wonderful world!

[Gunny]

All 3 must be men. And what happens if a woman makes an accusation? In many places she will now be killed for such an accusation. Many places the man must also CONFESS. What happens if either of them is married? That's right, now it's adultery. Of course the woman's word is only worth half of the man's word.

Bottom line - in many places - the woman can legally be killed for simply reporting that she was raped. What a wonderful world!

I'm just wondering if this is just going to get worse each. Already been married to 2 women. Now someone wants to stick me with a raghead? How am I even supposed to know what she looks like with all those sheets and towels?

[jimnyc]

I'm just wondering if this is just going to get worse each. Already been married to 2 women. Now someone wants to stick me with a raghead? How am I even supposed to know what she looks like with all those sheets and towels?

Don't let shariah take hold, anywhere, ever, for any reason, at all - never.

Some will scoff and laugh at the idea. But we see the way they want THEIR way of life to change where they are at, as opposed to them assimilating wherever it is they move to. It's not a guess either, as the majority of muslims will tell you that they prefer shariah and want it where they live. Some will tell you that they MUST be a part of shariah, as it's a way of life for them. While in the USA the grabs for such crap may not be as bad as in places like the UK right now, and even worse in more islamic lead areas, don't think for a second that this isn't a goal.

And if Shariah ever does get a foot hold anywhere, that's literally when the water starts swirling around the bowl in that area. Perhaps some muslims in the world can live in places like here in the USA, but not on their own with their laws and way of living, no siree.

[Gunny]

Don't let shariah take hold, anywhere, ever, for any reason, at all - never.

Some will scoff and laugh at the idea. But we see the way they want THEIR way of life to change where they are at, as opposed to them assimilating wherever it is they move to. It's not a guess either, as the majority of muslims will tell you that they prefer shariah and want it where they live. Some will tell you that they MUST be a part of shariah, as it's a way of life for them. While in the USA the grabs for such crap may not be as bad as in places like the UK right now, and even worse in more islamic lead areas, don't think for a second that this isn't a goal.

And if Shariah ever does get a foot hold anywhere, that's literally when the water starts swirling around the bowl in that area. Perhaps some muslims in the world can live in places like here in the USA, but not on their own with their laws and way of living, no siree.

Not me. I've watched Mexicans do it for decades. They want to be here; yet, bring their cockroach style of life with them. Arabs are no different. But WE let them when we elect a complete fool like O-blah-blah. He wants to blame the guns but not the criminals. Make peace with our enemies while shunning our allies.

I didn't swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, foreign or DOMESTIC (the latter being the jerkoff in the White House) so someone could bring their backwards assed bullshit in. How about Mr Dumbass O-blah-blah mobilize those 10K Syrians to take back their own damned country? You come and try and take MY damned country and no happy ending for you. But we are letting it happen from within. A house divided ....

[jimnyc]

Not me. I've watched Mexicans do it for decades. They want to be here; yet, bring their cockroach style of life with them. Arabs are no different. But WE let them when we elect a complete fool like O-blah-blah. He wants to blame the guns but not the criminals. Make peace with our enemies while shunning our allies.

I didn't swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, foreign or DOMESTIC (the latter being the jerkoff in the White House) so someone could bring their backwards assed bullshit in. How about Mr Dumbass O-blah-blah mobilize those 10K Syrians to take back their own damned country? You come and try and take MY damned country and no happy ending for you. But we are letting it happen from within. A house divided ....

It's the laws I speak of mostly, not necessarily the assimilating. We KNOW none of them don't want to be like us, just want the benefits. But some will scoff at both the fact that muslims want shariah, and will fight to have it put in place when the timing is right and the numbers right. And again, some will scoff, and I've yet to meet a muslim yet that would state otherwise. Weird.

[Gunny]

It's the laws I speak of mostly, not necessarily the assimilating. We KNOW none of them don't want to be like us, just want the benefits. But some will scoff at both the fact that muslims want shariah, and will fight to have it put in place when the timing is right and the numbers right. And again, some will scoff, and I've yet to meet a muslim yet that would state otherwise. Weird.

They're one and the same. You want to come be an American? Then come here and be one. Leave your baggage at the door. You want Sharia law? Stay where you are. We already got Democrats ... who needs Sharia law as well?

[DLT]

I think we run into an issue of naming here. Most Muslim are fairly normal. The ones were yelling about are, for lack of a better term, the Orthodoxy of the Islamic faith, much like when you see a Hassidic Jew, they are far literal in their reading of the Holy book.

Fairly normal? How normal do they have to be to still try to kill us? And is that normal for radical muzzies....or normal for everyone else?

[jimnyc]

Fairly normal? How normal do they have to be to still try to kill us? And is that normal for radical muzzies....or normal for everyone else?

"most muslims fairly normal"

So let's see, experts around the world state that anywhere from 15-25% of muslims are radicalized. There are approximately 1.8 billion muslims in the world.

15% is about 270 million
25% is about 450 million

On the low side, this is how many would dance in the streets if we were nuked tomorrow. This many, at minimum, turn their blind eyes and stick their heads up their asses if they know about terrorism or terrorists or someone involved in a terrorist incident. This many that would put shariah law into effect world wide tomorrow if they could. This many see the USA as "the great satan" or similar. This many that see anyone not muslim as an "infidel".

Yes, we will see some also scoff at this, to say it's ridiculous numbers. Yup, and look at the world we live in. Some of it is just common sense if you ask me. Some of it is right off the lips of muslims I know. Some is right out of their great book.

Sorry, but 'most muslims are fairly normal' is actually laughable. Perhaps 'maybe not all muslims will commit a terror attack and kill us tomorrow' is true, but that hardly makes them normal.

And as we debate this kind of crap, tomorrow morning they will wake up, and start teaching the 2-3 year olds how to fight with knives, how to hate the jews, what suicide vests look like. And those not involved will just shrug their shoulders and go about their days.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

"most muslims fairly normal"

So let's see, experts around the world state that anywhere from 15-25% of muslims are radicalized. There are approximately 1.8 billion muslims in the world.

15% is about 270 million
25% is about 450 million

On the low side, this is how many would dance in the streets if we were nuked tomorrow. This many, at minimum, turn their blind eyes and stick their heads up their asses if they know about terrorism or terrorists or someone involved in a terrorist incident. This many that would put shariah law into effect world wide tomorrow if they could. This many see the USA as "the great satan" or similar. This many that see anyone not muslim as an "infidel".

Yes, we will see some also scoff at this, to say it's ridiculous numbers. Yup, and look at the world we live in. Some of it is just common sense if you ask me. Some of it is right off the lips of muslims I know. Some is right out of their great book.

Sorry, but 'most muslims are fairly normal' is actually laughable. Perhaps 'maybe not all muslims will commit a terror attack and kill us tomorrow' is true, but that hardly makes them normal.

And as we debate this kind of crap, tomorrow morning they will wake up, and start teaching the 2-3 year olds how to fight with knives, how to hate the jews, what suicide vests look like. And those not involved will just shrug their shoulders and go about their days.

Most muzzies--"normally" hate us and want us dead. In that way they are "normal" and faithful as the Quran commands that!!! -Tyr

[jimnyc]

I ran out earlier this afternoon and got myself hitched to a nice muslim woman. She's gone already though, I accidentally through her away with the rest of the bags. :dunno:

[Gunny]

Fairly normal? How normal do they have to be to still try to kill us? And is that normal for radical muzzies....or normal for everyone else?

Wanting to take another human being's life for no reason is NOT normal. That's why these people are indoctrinated, and I don't mean just the Muslims. I mean ANYONE that thinks it's okay to take another's life without cause or for some BS idealism/religion. Islam might not be the only, but they have consistently been the worst. I'm tired of them being around. Since the 7th century. I missed my youngest learning to walk and talk because of them.

But no one wants to just grow a pair and take them out by whatever means necessary. We've been screwing around with these asshats for 14 centuries. When is enough enough?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Wanting to take another human being's life for no reason is NOT normal. That's why these people are indoctrinated, and I don't mean just the Muslims. I mean ANYONE that thinks it's okay to take another's life without cause or for some BS idealism/religion. Islam might not be the only, but they have consistently been the worst. I'm tired of them being around. Since the 7th century. I missed my youngest learning to walk and talk because of them.

But no one wants to just grow a pair and take them out by whatever means necessary. We've been screwing around with these asshats for 14 centuries. When is enough enough?

Lesson to be taught. Charles Martel..... nuff said my friend.--Tyr

[Gunny]

Lesson to be taught. Charles Martel..... nuff said my friend.--Tyr

Charles "the Hammer" is one of my favorite historical characters. Ruthless asshole, but he got the job done. He was one of the first to actually organize the French into an army and stop Islam in its tracks. Invasion over.

[glockmail]

You are right, of course. My daughter recently revealed the terrible truth about our wonderful neighbors.
No, they are not radical Muslims. It's far worse than that.

They are ... Republicans. :terror:


Rush said it, now Gabs proves his theory: The true enemy of liberals is not radical Islam, but the GOP.