Racism Question

[Perianne]

Is it racist to point out the truth?

Some here think I am racist, when in fact I judge by character. I think that is a big difference.

[Black Diamond]

Is it racist to point out the truth?


No.

[Noir]

Depends on what 'the truth' is.
For example some people think that it is 'the truth' that white people are superior to other races.

[Drummond]

Depends on what 'the truth' is.
For example some people think that it is 'the truth' that white people are superior to other races.

Highly judgemental ... highly simplistic, too.

I can conceive of a person - I suspect you CANNOT, which shows your outlook to be the limited one ! - who is instructed in life by the many lessons that life teaches us. For example, if one race insists upon indulging in acts and attitudes which are antisocial, then defends them all on 'grounds' of racial hardship and perceived reactions to prejudice .. then, it would only be natural to judge the race thinking and acting in such a manner as, shall we say, 'less than equal' in their overall worth.

Such a reaction isn't of itself racist, because, had the race possessed a mindset leading to different behaviour, then the reaction itself would've been very different. The fact of race wouldn't have changed, but what was truly reacted to, WOULD have.

Ah, but it's easy for those of the Left to demonise in their highly limiting, crass, and PREJUDICIAL, way - isn't it, Noir ?

[Noir]

it would only be natural to judge the race thinking and acting in such a manner as, shall we say, 'less than equal' in their overall worth.

Yep, nothing objectionable here :rolleyes:

[Bilgerat]

http://www.funniestmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/Funniest_Memes_is-someone-a-racist-are-they-white_224.jpeg

[Drummond]

Yep, nothing objectionable here :rolleyes:

Not if you keep to my intended context rather than cherrypick for effect .. no, there isn't.

- Good of you to note this ...:rolleyes:

[Gunny]

Depends on what 'the truth' is.
For example some people think that it is 'the truth' that white people are superior to other races.

I notice it's always people claiming minority status that squeal racism and bigotry. The actual majority racism is against being white. We can't breathe without being called a name or a racist/bigot.

Screw y'all. If you don't like being called what you are, do something different. If the majority of your group displays similar traits, you are defined by it. Get over it.

At the end of the day, I'm an American. Anyone wants to be one doesn't need an adjective before the noun.

[Bilgerat]

I notice it's always people claiming minority status that squeal racism and bigotry.


I shortened your post Gunny, I hope you don't mind.

But this does seem to prove your point.



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[Gunny]

I shortened your post Gunny, I hope you don't mind.

But this does seem to prove your point.



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I don't mind. Crap. How far you think I'd have gotten as a jarhead if I had thin skin? Highlighting something in a post and altering it are two different things.

Turnabout's fair play though. I'm stealing your pic. :laugh:

[Gunny]

Response to Perianne from her comment in D's pic thread:

Most Germans were not Nazi's. Most were ordinary folk just like us going with the flow. All they knew was Hitler was responsible for pulling them out of the Depression they were in. He didn't do much differently than FDR. Created a bunch of socialist, public works programs. Got a job, you got food.

If you look real close at all the nuances, there's not a lot of difference between 1930s Germany and the last 7 years in the US.

[fj1200]

Is it racist to point out the truth?

Some here think I am racist, when in fact I judge by character. I think that is a big difference.

Racism (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism) has a definition:


1: a belief that race (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race[3]) is the primary determinant (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/determinant) of human traits and capacities and that racial (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racial) differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

To which you've already admitted you subscribe:


First of all, I don't consider what many people think of as racism to actually be racism. It is no more racist to say that blacks are intellectually inferior to whites than it is to say that whites are physically inferior to blacks. The NBA is majority black. Upper level track and field is majority black. The fastest runners in the world are consistently black.

On the other hand, it is clear that when issues of intelligence are involved, whites are superior. I am guessing that about 99% of all the world's inventions are by whites or Asians.

[Gunny]

Racism (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism) has a definition:



To which you've already admitted you subscribe:

Tough subject. Whites are not superior to blacks because their race. We ARE superior in the fact that we have to work for what we have. That is societal, not biological. We don't get to suck off the government and sit around waiting for handouts. We don't get away with having a "hood" and 3 dealers on every corner. We get busted and go to jail. We don't get to squeal discrimination and get our way. We don't get to mob up and riot and loot and get away with it.

So WHO exactly are the racists? I'd say the door swings BOTH ways. But our stupid society doesn't because the people that working are the ones that get all the attention. Get a job. But why should they when a bunch of misguided, idealistic dumbasses are willing to just give them stuff?

Perianne lives in a Southern city where the EPA has ruined the coal industry and that was what the city's economy was based on. And blacks in the South, on the whole, ARE stupid. Not because they are biologically inferior. They're socially inferior based on the BS they were raised to believe.

[fj1200]

Tough subject. Whites are not superior to blacks because their race. We ARE superior in the fact that we have to work for what we have. That is societal, not biological. We don't get to suck off the government and sit around waiting for handouts. We don't get away with having a "hood" and 3 dealers on every corner. We get busted and go to jail. We don't get to squeal discrimination and get our way. We don't get to mob up and riot and loot and get away with it.

So WHO exactly are the racists? I'd say the door swings BOTH ways. But our stupid society doesn't because the people that working are the ones that get all the attention. Get a job. But why should they when a bunch of misguided, idealistic dumbasses are willing to just give them stuff?

Perianne lives in a Southern city where the EPA has ruined the coal industry and that was what the city's economy was based on. And blacks in the South, on the whole, ARE stupid. Not because they are biologically inferior. They're socially inferior based on the BS they were raised to believe.

Racism is not a tough subject. Attempting to justify racist viewpoints makes it a tough subject.

[Gunny]

Racism is not a tough subject. Attempting to justify racist viewpoints makes it a tough subject.

Just as ignoring factual justification does. You can't hide from the elephant in the room with a cheap accusation. His ass is STILL sitting there. In this case, it suits certain people/organizations to keep something going that should have been gone LONG ago.

You have all these blacks from the top the bottom on the leadership scale that quite frankly, just won't work. They've been raised to believe they are owed something. Guess what? Illegal immigrants have the jobs they are perfectly capable of doing. SO now you have two nationalities/races holding the PC in this country hostage over the accusation of racism. Then you have a bunch of do-gooder leftwingers that probably never worked a day in their lives with too much time on their hands feeling sorry for the "downtrodden". If Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson actually had to work for a living they'd be dead. Same with those idiots in the ME.

If you don't have an enemy, create one and make money from it. But when you create generations of a subclass to believe in your BS, odds are good common sense and logic ain't going to change their minds.

[fj1200]

Just as ignoring factual justification does. You can't hide from the elephant in the room with a cheap accusation. His ass is STILL sitting there. In this case, it suits certain people/organizations to keep something going that should have been gone LONG ago.

You have all these blacks from the top the bottom on the leadership scale that quite frankly, just won't work. They've been raised to believe they are owed something. Guess what? Illegal immigrants have the jobs they are perfectly capable of doing. SO now you have two nationalities/races holding the PC in this country hostage over the accusation of racism. Then you have a bunch of do-gooder leftwingers that probably never worked a day in their lives with too much time on their hands feeling sorry for the "downtrodden". If Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson actually had to work for a living they'd be dead. Same with those idiots in the ME.

If you don't have an enemy, create one and make money from it. But when you create generations of a subclass to believe in your BS, odds are good common sense and logic ain't going to change their minds.

I believe you're accurately describing what the liberal system has done to the lower ends of the economic spectrum.

[Gunny]

I believe you're accurately describing what the liberal system has done to the lower ends of the economic spectrum.

But it has nothing to do with skin color. The business is about skin color and religion though. I already figured out the system is designed to keep everybody where they are unless they get lucky. It costs money just to get a job and starts from there. And why should I bother having a job if I can whine and get money others have earned.

Call it racist or not, that IS the black mentality. It's also the leftwing mentality. No one thinks they should have to earn anything.

[fj1200]

But it has nothing to do with skin color. The business is about skin color and religion though. I already figured out the system is designed to keep everybody where they are unless they get lucky. It costs money just to get a job and starts from there. And why should I bother having a job if I can whine and get money others have earned.

Call it racist or not, that IS the black mentality. It's also the leftwing mentality. No one thinks they should have to earn anything.

Racism is about skin color. What the liberal system has done it's done to all and not just blacks. Blacks started out behind the 8-ball and when they were starting to make progress without government "helping" is about when they were halted in regards to "catching up."

Racists blame race, I don't blame race; I blame government.

[Gunny]

Racism is about skin color. What the liberal system has done it's done to all and not just blacks. Blacks started out behind the 8-ball and when they were starting to make progress without government "helping" is about when they were halted in regards to "catching up."

Racists blame race, I don't blame race; I blame government.

Technically there are only three races -- Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. The rest of this crap is ethnicity.

And I don't blame the governement. I blame the pundits who make a living off of hate and war. They're the ones that keep this crap going. On and on and on and on ..... Slavery ended in 1865 and we've had Civil Rights since 65. That's 150 years of doing nothing and expecting everything. As far as that being racist, all I have to Say is Dr Ben Carson. Colin Powell. Washington Irving. The notion that one race is inferior to the other just because of race is silly.

What you will find, at least in the South all the way through the Mid-Adlantic, is that the inferiority is cultural. And it's not racist to call a spade a spade (no pun intended). When your crap's ripped off, it's usually by blacks. THEY, not us crackers", built their own image. Unless you want bathtub meth, you ain't hanging out in Bubba's trailer park. You want coke, weed, crack or heroin, you're on the dark side of town. That's just fact regardless how anyone wants to whitewash it. If you want it west of Louisiana you're on the brown side of town.

[Elessar]

Depends on what 'the truth' is.
For example some people think that it is 'the truth' that white people are superior to other races.

As I have said before, TRUTH is relative to the individual
and not always FACT.

There is a difference!

[Elessar]

I notice it's always people claiming minority status that squeal racism and bigotry. The actual majority racism is against being white. We can't breathe without being called a name or a racist/bigot.

<snip>

At the end of the day, I'm an American. Anyone wants to be one doesn't need an adjective before the noun.

I have never believed in Hyphenated Americans, especially
the over-used, racist 'African-American'. It is pure Bullshit.

Go the Fark back to Africa if you cannot be an American.

[Drummond]

Racism is about skin color. What the liberal system has done it's done to all and not just blacks. Blacks started out behind the 8-ball and when they were starting to make progress without government "helping" is about when they were halted in regards to "catching up."

Racists blame race, I don't blame race; I blame government.

Has the 'liberal movement' in America consciously worked to favour blacks, or shall we say 'racial minorities', on the BASIS of their race ... yes, or no ? Has it made a distinction between races, and constructed defences of them from that distinction ?

If it has, then it has acted in a racist manner !

And .. if you seek (as you're no doubt tempted to do) to find a way of exonerating liberals from any suggestion of out-and-out racism, then I've two words for you.

Woodrow Wilson.

A Leftie, and keen SEGREGATIONIST ... long before the Democrats got their act - and their propaganda - in order.

[Gunny]

I have never believed in Hyphenated Americans, especially
the over-used, racist 'African-American'. It is pure Bullshit.

Go the Fark back to Africa if you cannot be an American.

The joke is on THEM. They talk all their talk and they CAN'T go back to Africa. Africans consider black Americans inferior -- and get this -- because their skin is too light. I almost died laughing when I heard THAT. Crap, who do all these victims think sold their ancestors' asses to the Dutch traders anyway? Their own damned people they take so much pride in.

You can't fix stupid.:laugh:

[Elessar]

Has the 'liberal movement' in America consciously worked to favour blacks, or shall we say 'racial minorities', on the BASIS of their race ... yes, or no ? Has it made a distinction between races, and constructed defences of them from that distinction ?

If it has, then it has acted in a racist manner !

And .. if you seek (as you're no doubt tempted to do) to find a way of exonerating liberals from any suggestion of out-and-out racism, then I've two words for you.

Woodrow Wilson.

A Leftie, and keen SEGREGATIONIST ... long before the Democrats got their act - and their propaganda - in order.

In a way, it is a YES . And many Libs turn their backs on problems they have created and blame the Right!

Ohhh...I will not exonerate Libs at all. Not collectively, though. Individuals, yes.

[Elessar]

The joke is on THEM. They talk all their talk and they CAN'T go back to Africa. Africans consider black Americans inferior -- and get this -- because their skin is too light. I almost died laughing when I heard THAT. Crap, who do all these victims think sold their ancestors' asses to the Dutch traders anyway? Their own damned people they take so much pride in.

You can't fix stupid.:laugh:

Well, you hit that nail squarely on the head!
And their own people also sold them to Arabic traders.

Al Sharpton should do a bit more research.:laugh:

[Gunny]

Well, you hit that nail squarely on the head!
And their own people also sold them to Arabic traders.

Al Sharpton should do a bit more research.:laugh:

If the likes of these so-called "community leaders" weren't around, there'd be no racial division. They talk for hours how whites keep them down when in actuality, it's these idiots teaching them to demand things instead of earning them.

I don't give a crap what color your skin is if you can hump ammo.

[Perianne]

If the likes of these so-called "community leaders" weren't around, there'd be no racial division. They talk for hours how whites keep them down when in actuality, it's these idiots teaching them to demand things instead of earning them.

I don't give a crap what color your skin is if you can hump ammo.

Gunny, that was my point and has been all along. I judge concerning character, not skin color. I am about the least racist person ever.

[Gunny]

Gunny, that was my point and has been all along. I judge concerning character, not skin color. I am about the least racist person ever.

Weren't YOU the one wondering why your threads didn't go anywhere? Well, seems you stirred it up with this one. :laugh:

[Perianne]

Weren't YOU the one wondering why your threads didn't go anywhere? Well, seems you stirred it up with this one. :laugh:

Just with the usual suspects. They had nearly gotten me convinced I am racist. I was feeling bad about myself and was close to imposing a self-ban on the Perianne.

[Black Diamond]

Just with the usual suspects. They had nearly gotten me convinced I am racist. I was feeling bad about myself and was close to imposing a self-ban on the Perianne.

Then I would have to put "Free Perianne" in my signature.

[Gunny]

Just with the usual suspects. They had nearly gotten me convinced I am racist. I was feeling bad about myself and was close to imposing a self-ban on the Perianne.

You say some rather crude stuff at times. Thing is, look at WHO the usual suspects are. They don't live down here. They learned what they hear on CNN and/or the internet. Yankees don't know a damned thing about us except whatever the MSM spews. And usually the most arrogant and snobbish ones are the worst. They think we're just dumbass, racist hicks and you aren't going to change that.

Kind of makes you wonder why they all want to move here?

[Perianne]

Then I would have to put "Free Perianne" in my signature.

Some want to pigeonhole me into a corner. How many here have saved the lives of various colored people? How many have cleaned stool and urine from darkies? How many have cared for and dressed rotten-flesh wounds on their extremities? How many have given encouragement to minority workers when they feel they can't continue to care for abusive people? How many will give $50 gift certificates to minority coworkers (and others) for Christmas?

It's not that I am Miss Wonderful, it's that I give a lot of care to those who can't help themselves and those who are dejected in life. I am a nurse. It's what I have chosen to do in life.

[fj1200]

Technically there are only three races -- Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. The rest of this crap is ethnicity.

And I don't blame the governement. I blame the pundits who make a living off of hate and war. They're the ones that keep this crap going. On and on and on and on ..... Slavery ended in 1865 and we've had Civil Rights since 65. That's 150 years of doing nothing and expecting everything. As far as that being racist, all I have to Say is Dr Ben Carson. Colin Powell. Washington Irving. The notion that one race is inferior to the other just because of race is silly.

What you will find, at least in the South all the way through the Mid-Adlantic, is that the inferiority is cultural. And it's not racist to call a spade a spade (no pun intended). When your crap's ripped off, it's usually by blacks. THEY, not us crackers", built their own image. Unless you want bathtub meth, you ain't hanging out in Bubba's trailer park. You want coke, weed, crack or heroin, you're on the dark side of town. That's just fact regardless how anyone wants to whitewash it. If you want it west of Louisiana you're on the brown side of town.

Exactly right. But to say blacks have been left alone for 150 years and they've just lagged behind because of their culture is flat wrong. They were slaves, they had to deal with convict leasing, they had to deal with Jim Crow Laws, they had to deal with race-based discrimination, etc. But to top it off they were making progress through the '50s and then comes urban planning and welfare rules. Can't win for losing on the whole. That Carson, Powell, etc. and millions of others have risen above speaks to the resilience of some.


Gunny, that was my point and has been all along. I judge concerning character, not skin color. I am about the least racist person ever.

It's laughable that you try to pass that off.

[glockmail]

Y'all realize that the Democrat Party was, is, and likely always will be racist, right?

[fj1200]

Has the 'liberal movement' in America consciously worked to favour blacks, or shall we say 'racial minorities', on the BASIS of their race ... yes, or no ? Has it made a distinction between races, and constructed defences of them from that distinction ?

If it has, then it has acted in a racist manner !

And .. if you seek (as you're no doubt tempted to do) to find a way of exonerating liberals from any suggestion of out-and-out racism, then I've two words for you.

Woodrow Wilson.

A Leftie, and keen SEGREGATIONIST ... long before the Democrats got their act - and their propaganda - in order.

For criminy sake! Do you even read? I've been railing against the liberal establishment for it's utter failure in creating government programs to help blacks.

But to answer your question, of course they've worked to favor blacks but it isn't racist; Racism has a particular definition. And do you think it's news that Woodrow Wilson was a racist? Not even close and he wasn't the only one on any side of the political spectrum back then.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/345274/progressive-racism-paul-rahe

[gabosaurus]

Is it racist to point out the truth?

Some here think I am racist, when in fact I judge by character. I think that is a big difference.

You are racist.
I don't hold it against you. That is just how you are. I am guessing you either grew up that way or were influenced by past relationships.
Your judgements are racist. You don't judge by character. You judge by skin color and religious preference.
Your ideas of truth are also racist for the same reasons.

I find you to be a basically good person with character flaws. Same as the rest of us.

[aboutime]

You are racist.
I don't hold it against you. That is just how you are. I am guessing you either grew up that way or were influenced by past relationships.
Your judgements are racist. You don't judge by character. You judge by skin color and religious preference.
Your ideas of truth are also racist for the same reasons.

I find you to be a basically good person with character flaws. Same as the rest of us.


Look who's talking? Hypocrisy cries out from you gabby, or the Agnostic/Athiest in you is showing:

Matthew 7:1-5New International Version (NIV)

Judging Others
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

[Drummond]

You are racist.
I don't hold it against you. That is just how you are. I am guessing you either grew up that way or were influenced by past relationships.
Your judgements are racist. You don't judge by character. You judge by skin color and religious preference.
Your ideas of truth are also racist for the same reasons.

I find you to be a basically good person with character flaws. Same as the rest of us.

And I find you to be a Leftie who's dreaming up any imaginable excuse to attack and demonise the opposition, with precisely zero interest in fairness.

But then, what else is new ? It's what Lefties do. In fact, it's so 'standard' that I even doubt that you and FJ have a need to swap notes about it.

[Drummond]

For criminy sake! Do you even read? I've been railing against the liberal establishment for it's utter failure in creating government programs to help blacks.

Ah, is THIS how you try and maintain your 'cover' in asserting yourself to be a Conservative ?

The Left dreams of seeing the State applying 'positive discrimination' to 'minorities', whilst simultaneously claiming not to be discriminatory - I know that of old, from my own society !! Are you critical of what you call 'the liberal establishment' because, ACCORDING TO YOU, they haven't met that Leftie imperative to enough of an extent for your liking ??

What we have here, folks, is a Leftie who argues, and complains, that the Left hasn't done ENOUGH to act like Lefties .. and this is evidence of CONSERVATIVE bona fides, FJ .. ??

Are you just losing the plot, or what ??


But to answer your question, of course they've worked to favor blacks but it isn't racist ....

Ah, but it 'never is', FJ. Swap the colours around, and you'd be screaming 'foul' at the top of your voice until you ground your lungs to pulp .. because, who ever heard of a Leftie State applying positive discrimination to WHITE people ? It's very conveniently a different story when you apply it to black people, though.

So your claim of 'IT ISN'T RACIST' is refuted, and very simply and obviously ... LEFTIE ...

[fj1200]

Ah, is THIS how you try and maintain your 'cover' in asserting yourself to be a Conservative ?

You clearly are not very smart.

[fj1200]

And I find you to be a Leftie who's dreaming up any imaginable excuse to attack and demonise the opposition, with precisely zero interest in fairness.

She was completely fair, she identified truth. The sad thing is "conservatives" are defending racist speech.

[Perianne]

It's laughable that you try to pass that off.

I believe it.

[fj1200]

I believe it.

I don't think you really do. You repeatedly feel you need to proclaim that you are not yet you keep using words that show that you are. I believe the phrase is cognitive dissonance.