Apple Vs. DOJ

[jimnyc]

This oughta be a fun thread!

So most should know by now, there is a phone left over from the terrorist scumbag in San Bernadino. No one knows what is on it as the DOJ can't get access - and Apple refuses to help unlock at all. I know their stance is privacy, but personally I lean more towards 'is there even a remote chance that there is information that can catch a terrorist..."

They should be able to work something out together, where perhaps Apple 'offers' to help, without an order maybe? John McAfee (anti-virus) has offered to help hack the phone if it comes down to that, but it's not always that easy.

If they refuse, I would hire the best of the best of the best of the hackers, and then release the software when done. :)

I would think, as an American company - they would simply get the information for them but refuse to cooperate in showing them how they did so.

And considering in this day and age, and all we hear about how the terrorists are in the digital age and such. Hell, Osama was found with tons and tons of cell phones and usb sticks. It's very reasonable to think that there may be solid information or leads on the device.

[Perianne]

I'm no help, Jim. I have thought about this for days and still am not clear how I feel about it, though I lean against Apple.

[fj1200]

And considering in this day and age, and all we hear about how the terrorists are in the digital age and such.

I read a blurb the other day how Apple is trying to make their tech so that they can't even be in a position to violate the privacy on their devices.

[NightTrain]

DOJ proposed that Apple unlock the phone, keeping that software in-house, and just handing back the phone after it was unlocked. Seems easy and secure for Apple.

I think the real issue is that Apple is tired of quietly unlocking phones for the Feds and they already told them that they wouldn't do it anymore... and then this happened.

Personally, I don't think they should unlock phones for LEOs unless a Judge signs off on it. And Apple should be reimbursed for their time.

[Perianne]

DOJ proposed that Apple unlock the phone, keeping that software in-house, and just handing back the phone after it was unlocked. Seems easy and secure for Apple.

I think the real issue is that Apple is tired of quietly unlocking phones for the Feds and they already told them that they wouldn't do it anymore... and then this happened.

Personally, I don't think they should unlock phones for LEOs unless a Judge signs off on it. And Apple should be reimbursed for their time.

I have heard that there are hundreds of cases of LEOs wanting Apple to unlock phones. I suppose Apple has said "enough already".

[glockmail]

Huge marketing win for Apple. 'We protect the privacy of our customers.' Yeah, sure you do.

[Kathianne]

http://www.sott.net/article/312941-Slippery-slope-Dept-of-Justice-now-wants-Apple-to-unlock-nine-more-iPhones


The US Department of Justice is joining the FBI in pressuring Apple. Even as the Bureau is saying that their request to unlock the San Bernardino shooter's iPhone is a one-time thing, the DoJ is demanding Apple's help in unlocking at least nine more.
Apple's concerns that creating a backdoor for the FBI will lead to similar requests are growing increasingly founded. For three months, the US government has been fighting Cupertino over making a master key to gain access to locked iPhones. In response to concerns about privacy and security, the FBI has painted the demand for Apple's assistance as a small action needed in response to an unusual request.


However, the Department of Justice is now demanding Apple's help for cases in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston, and San Francisco, the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/technology/justice-department-wants-apple-to-unlock-nine-more-iphones.html?_r=0) reports. Although the FBI insists that the key is necessary to fight terrorism, the Department of Justice's cases seem to be related to drug trafficking and pornography.


The DOJ's case has been ongoing for the past three months. In order to make Apple comply, the prosecution is invoking the All Writs Act. Originating in 1789 and last updated in 1911, the law gives courts the ability to require actions to comply with their orders, usually at the behest of government officials.


However, NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden explained that the technical changes that the FBI demanded would make it possible to break into an iPhone "in half an hour."


Cybersecurity legend John McAfee (https://www.rt.com/news/333326-mcafee-interview-fbi-apple/) seconded Snowden's remarks by explaining that "There is no question that what the FBI has asked Apple to do is create a backdoor."


Backdoors were a common security measure during the earlier days of computing that allowed programmers and tech support people to repair problems with computers. IT support would dial into the backdoor and take control over the computers to find out what the problem was, in the same way that the FBI wants to be able to open the San Bernardino's phone with Apple's help.


However, the backdoor did not always open only for those authorized to access the system. Hackers also quickly learned to exploit this weak point, allowing them to take control over computers as well.


For example, a 16-year-old boy in England was arrested earlier this month (https://www.rt.com/usa/332317-cracka-hacker-arrested-uk/) for hacking into the emails of senior US officials and posting nearly 30,000 US government employees' private information online. The agencies affected by the hack were the CIA, the White House, and... FBI.

[Bilgerat]

I've been twisting on both sides of this issue

The "song and dance" by the Govt that it's only for THIS one strikes me as be disingenuous, especially as there are more cases just waiting for a bite at the apple (sorry, it was there) ;)

But this might give us pause to think:

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/PlantB/2016/PlantB20160220_low.jpg

[NightTrain]

Since we don't hear a peep about the Feds wanting access to Android phones, I suppose that silence tells us how secure they are.

[Black Diamond]

Since we don't hear a peep about the Feds wanting access to Android phones, I suppose that silence tells us how secure they are.

I am loving my droid turbo. :cool:

[Gunny]

Since we don't hear a peep about the Feds wanting access to Android phones, I suppose that silence tells us how secure they are.

I can only pray and hope they are listening to MY phone. I'd love to share the sheer boredom. :laugh:

"Need anything from the store?"

"Nah, I'm good."

WAIT! How was he said "Nah, I'm good,"? Something suspicious about that. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[NightTrain]

I am loving my droid turbo. :cool:

I've always hated Apple/MacIntosh ever since I was forced to use them back in the '90s at work. I like Android too, but if I were a terrorist / criminal I know which device I'd be using right now.


I can only pray and hope they are listening to MY phone. I'd love to share the sheer boredom. :laugh:

"Need anything from the store?"

"Nah, I'm good."

WAIT! How was he said "Nah, I'm good,"? Something suspicious about that. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Yeah, same.

The Feds have systems that pick up on keywords as they're routed through the Interwebs from tower to tower. So when something like Allah, bomb or codewords that terrorists use when talking to each other are used, it flags that conversation for a human to investigate, just like our conversations on computers online.

Boards like this where we're talking all the time about Allah,, bombings, jihad, infidel, etc., probably make the bot monitors go batshit until someone filters it from the active watchlist.


Any encryption can be broken, it just takes a lot of effort and a lot of manpower to do it. The Feds want to use that Easy Button. The military and Intel agencies have been cracking 'Uncrackable' cyphers for how many hundreds of years now? Thousands?

[Gunny]

I've always hated Apple/MacIntosh ever since I was forced to use them back in the '90s at work. I like Android too, but if I were a terrorist / criminal I know which device I'd be using right now.



Yeah, same.

The Feds have systems that pick up on keywords as they're routed through the Interwebs from tower to tower. So when something like Allah, bomb or codewords that terrorists use when talking to each other are used, it flags that conversation for a human to investigate, just like our conversations on computers online.

Boards like this where we're talking all the time about Allah,, bombings, jihad, infidel, etc., probably make the bot monitors go batshit until someone filters it from the active watchlist.


Any encryption can be broken, it just takes a lot of effort and a lot of manpower to do it. The Feds want to use that Easy Button. The military and Intel agencies have been cracking 'Uncrackable' cyphers for how many hundreds of years now? Thousands?

Well in THAT case, F*CK ALLAH and all his little minions! :laugh:

[Black Diamond]

Well in THAT case, F*CK ALLAH and all his little minions! :laugh:

Eventually they will use this technology to prosecute people who say that stuff.

[Gunny]

Eventually they will use this technology to prosecute people who say that stuff.

Guess I better go get a bottle Jack and a few more rounds of ammo then. :laugh: