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darin
05-09-2016, 02:25 AM
This kind of stuff makes my blood boil. Guy was going 93 in a 55 - which I just bet was artificially low. The whole "speed kills" bullshit is what governments use to affect taxation via citation.
Boggles my MIND how FREE people WILLINGLY allow themselves to be Controlled - a slave to the people they elect. Ugh. If YOU think Speed Limit enforcement keeps people "safe" you've drank the kool-aid and are beyond help. :(

Stop enforcing conformity to arbitrary speed limits designed to fine and imprison an other-wise law abiding citizen. Instead, make driver licensing more involved. Make better-trained drivers. Poor decision-making kills - NOT 'speed'.

http://jalopnik.com/never-speed-in-virginia-lessons-from-my-three-days-in-1613604053


The trooper pulled me over and said he had me on radar doing 93 mph in a 55 mph zone. I figured it would be a nasty ticket. It wasn’t, because I got nailed in Virginia, a state where the police and the courts take speeding more seriously than possibly anywhere else in America. A fun day in a very powerful car just got a lot less fun.


http://watchdog.org/199653/speeding-virginia/

“Most drivers would be surprised to learn that exceeding the posted interstate speed limit by 11 mph is considered reckless driving.”

http://jalopnik.com/what-every-driver-should-know-about-speeding-in-virgini-1669902845

That alone will help keep you out of the reckless driving boat. Although there are other types of reckless driving that you could still get nabbed for, such as simply running off the road, which usually entails a reckless driving ticket for "failure to maintain control" of the vehicle.

Also, when you drive through Virginia for a holiday weekend, pay extra careful attention to your driving and your speed. Holiday weekends are major enforcement times for Virginia's traffic laws. For example, during the 2014 Thanksgiving weekend, Virginia State Police cited 2,312 people for reckless driving and 9,789 people for speeding. That's not even including all the tickets issued by local sheriff's offices and police departments. The summer holiday weekends can have even higher numbers, with 2,673 reckless driving tickets issued by the State Police from July 4 to July 6, 2014.

http://wtvr.com/2014/07/14/chesterfield-quota-investigation/

CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, Va. - Two Virginia delegates who represent voters in Chesterfield County said they would consider banning ticket quotas at law enforcement agencies after CBS 6 uncovered traffic stop and arrest mandates at the Chesterfield County Police Department.

Lieutenant Colonel Dan Kelly with the Chesterfield Police Department said the mandates were not quotas and called them a perfectly legitimate performance standard.

A former officer with the Chesterfield Police Department came to CBS 6 investigative reporter Melissa Hipolit with concerns about the way he said the department measured officer performance. His recent review contained traffic stop and arrest mandates.

It showed the following work goals:

Two-three traffic stops per day
One arrest per day

“Failure to meet the expectation during this work performance plan will result in further disciplinary action,” the review read.

Noir
05-09-2016, 04:41 AM
doing 93 mph in a 55 mph zone


My heart bleeds...

jimnyc
05-09-2016, 05:08 AM
My heart bleeds...[/I][/COLOR]
Noir , serious question - what are the average speed limits by you? For example, typical regular roads by me are 30mph in town, and 55 on highways, and some faster highways up to 65. Heading down south towards Jeff in Georgia, maybe Virginia, SC, NC... I saw a few places like 70, but I think that was the highest.

darin
05-09-2016, 05:26 AM
Michigan has down-town roads with 55mph speed limits. Anything on a freeway is typically 70mph - I'd like 85mph freeway speed limits in/around town and up to "no" speed limit the point the freeway leaves downtown.


What's the proper "punishment" for not-hurting-anyone at that speed, Noir?

Noir
05-09-2016, 06:22 AM
@Noir (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=517) , serious question - what are the average speed limits by you? For example, typical regular roads by me are 30mph in town, and 55 on highways, and some faster highways up to 65. Heading down south towards Jeff in Georgia, maybe Virginia, SC, NC... I saw a few places like 70, but I think that was the highest.

Around residential areas 30mph, carriage ways range from 40-60, National speed limit on motorways is 70mph


What's the proper "punishment" for not-hurting-anyone at that speed, Noir?

Fines and penalty points seem reasonable to me.

jimnyc
05-09-2016, 06:29 AM
Around residential areas 30mph, carriage ways range from 40-60, National speed limit on motorways is 70mph



Fines and penalty points seem reasonable to me.

So it seems the limits are about the same.

I don't know about the penalties though, they range from state to state and then from community to community. While in Pennsylvania years back, I got a speeding ticket for doing like 85 in a 65. This is a major highway (route 81) and there were like no cars on the road, not that it makes it a lot better). The ticket was like $250. I think that's too much, IMO.

darin
05-09-2016, 06:39 AM
Fines and penalty points seem reasonable to me.

I do NOT support fining people while they are not endangering anyone but perhaps themselves.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
05-09-2016, 06:42 AM
This kind of stuff makes my blood boil. Guy was going 93 in a 55 - which I just bet was artificially low. The whole "speed kills" bullshit is what governments use to affect taxation via citation.
Boggles my MIND how FREE people WILLINGLY allow themselves to be Controlled - a slave to the people they elect. Ugh. If YOU think Speed Limit enforcement keeps people "safe" you've drank the kool-aid and are beyond help. :(

Stop enforcing conformity to arbitrary speed limits designed to fine and imprison an other-wise law abiding citizen. Instead, make driver licensing more involved. Make better-trained drivers. Poor decision-making kills - NOT 'speed'.

http://jalopnik.com/never-speed-in-virginia-lessons-from-my-three-days-in-1613604053




http://watchdog.org/199653/speeding-virginia/


http://jalopnik.com/what-every-driver-should-know-about-speeding-in-virgini-1669902845


http://wtvr.com/2014/07/14/chesterfield-quota-investigation/

They do that crap around here with the exception being they are told unless its massive abuse let the black drivers go with only a verbal warning--all others give a ticket!! Which translate to --ticket the white bastards..
My nephew was on the police force-he verifies these unwritten but verbal orders given to officers.
Unwritten BECAUSE-- THEY KNOW ITS PREJUDICIAL ANS ILLEGAL ACTS THEY ARE DOING --FFING BASTARDS.
They want no written evidence to be found but its been this way for decades here. Fact...
Also about half of the young male black drivers around here(ages 16 to 30) have no car insurance,no drivers license and
are usually drinking or high on drugs--special kid gloves rules apply to them too when they are stopped.
I suspect these days this crap goes on all across this nation.
I know it goes on around here.
Knowledge sometimes is a terrible thing-when one does not walk around blinded like most people do.
Seeing the injustice going on and whitey being sold down the river by just about everybody in charge--especially ffing liberal whites in positions of authority.--Tyr

sundaydriver
05-09-2016, 06:49 AM
As many times as I've driven US 95 between Pennsy & Miami, nowhere have I seen more speed enforcement than Virginia. Last spring I probably saw more troopers passing thru Virginia than I did the rest of the way coming from Tampa.

My last speeding ticket was in 1996 and cost me $35 in Delaware on a back road passing a fire station at 30 mph in a 15 mph zone on a race weekend at Dover. I was one of five "sports cars" stopped at the time all with out of state plates while the locals drove by at 50 mph laughing at us. Small towns like to take advantage of a good business opportunity when there is a crowd.

Where I live most of the small areas don't have their own police and coverage is provided by the State Police that we seldom see which allows us to drive any damn way we want.

Noir
05-09-2016, 06:51 AM
I do NOT support fining people while they are not endangering anyone but perhaps themselves.

Yeah becusse in car crashes it's only the person who was breaking the speed limit who ever gets hurt/killed.

darin
05-09-2016, 07:13 AM
Yeah because in car crashes it's only the person who was breaking the speed limit who ever gets hurt/killed.

I'm not talking about crashing. (shrug). I'm talking about driving.

Kathianne
05-09-2016, 07:21 AM
@Noir (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=517) , serious question - what are the average speed limits by you? For example, typical regular roads by me are 30mph in town, and 55 on highways, and some faster highways up to 65. Heading down south towards Jeff in Georgia, maybe Virginia, SC, NC... I saw a few places like 70, but I think that was the highest.

AZ is crazy! 75 is highway posted, folks are going 90 until they hit the S curves, then brake down to 80 or so.

darin
05-09-2016, 07:34 AM
AZ is crazy! 75 is highway posted, folks are going 90 until they hit the S curves, then brake down to 80 or so.

sounds perfect. :) Brake before the turn, then roll onto the pedal at the apex... :D

Noir
05-09-2016, 07:48 AM
I'm not talking about crashing. (shrug). I'm talking about driving.

Do you contest that breaking the speed limit and crashing has no correlation?