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Gunny
07-24-2016, 10:24 PM
What a long-winded f*cker. This dude can talk longer than Hitlery. I wonder if he was breathing?

You know he won the electoral vote but won by less than 1% of the popular vote?

GravyBoat
07-25-2016, 06:05 AM
Kennedy's "Secret Society Speech"


http://youtu.be/zdMbmdFOvTs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs

He was not only a great president but a great human being. He was so great that dead people
in Chicago voted for him. Some of them did so twice.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-25-2016, 01:52 PM
Kennedy's "Secret Society Speech"


http://youtu.be/zdMbmdFOvTs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs

He was not only a great president but a great human being. He was so great that dead people
in Chicago voted for him. Some of them did so twice.

Thats not great, voting two or three times for the same dem candidate is quite common in dem controlled areas, even from those legions of dead dem voters that come back to vote..
Its so common now that everybody turns a blind eye to it...-Tyr

Kathianne
07-25-2016, 01:58 PM
What a long-winded f*cker. This dude can talk longer than Hitlery. I wonder if he was breathing?

You know he won the electoral vote but won by less than 1% of the popular vote?

It happens that the electoral vote is won, without the popular vote, that less than 1% was likely Cook County:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/presidents-winning-without-popular-vote/

Gunny
07-25-2016, 05:54 PM
It happens that the electoral vote is won, without the popular vote, that less than 1% was likely Cook County:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/presidents-winning-without-popular-vote/

I am not a fan of the electorate. It means my vote only counts if some delegate decides it does.

That's taxation without representation to me. What did we commit treason against our King for again?

Kathianne
07-25-2016, 06:01 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/view_from_chicago/2012/11/defending_the_electoral_college.html

Kathianne
07-25-2016, 06:03 PM
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/defense-electoral-college

Black Diamond
07-25-2016, 06:11 PM
Electoral college is the worst system of election. Except for all the others.

Kathianne
07-25-2016, 06:17 PM
Hey, I've got a great idea! Direct democracy! Embrace it, love it, live it! Great success historically! Hell, get rid of all limitations on the franchise!

Black Diamond
07-25-2016, 06:19 PM
Hey, I've got a great idea! Direct democracy! Embrace it, love it, live it! Great success historically! Hell, get rid of all limitations on the franchise!

Has to be some happy medium between that and Little Debbie. :)

Gunny
07-25-2016, 06:31 PM
Has to be some happy medium between that and Little Debbie. :)

Quit bringing her up, asshole. Let's just all pretend she's gone. She's already got 2 threads. Screw the 3-peat crap.

If you see her in a crosswalk ... I'll swear you were at my house. :laugh2:

Kathianne
07-26-2016, 12:55 PM
More direct democracy! It's working wonderfully!

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-25/democratic-machine-chose-clinton-long-ago-but-why


Democratic Machine Chose Clinton Long Ago. But Why?


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By Megan McArdle (http://www.bloomberg.com/view/contributors/AQjVOcPejrY/megan-mcardle)


“If Trump wins (or comes close),” writes my friend Tim Lee, “liberals are going to need a better answer than writing half the electorate off as racist.”

As the Democratic National Convention lurches off to a chaotic start, let me offer one answer: Hillary Clinton is a terrible, terrible candidate.

Don’t get me wrong: Trump is a terrible candidate too. Both of them have appallingly high unfavorable ratings, and enough name recognition that those unfavorables aren’t likely to change all that much. But the Republican Party can at least say that their problem candidate was foisted upon them when a series of cosmically unlikely decisions (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-05-04/the-four-horsemen-of-the-republican-apocalypse) by no-hope candidates split the party’s normal factions just long enough for Trump to consolidate what was left over. The Democrats chose Clinton. Indeed, her party actively beat back alternatives, funneling all the money and the attention to Clinton, who brought all the well-known Clinton baggage with her, and sadly, did not bring any of her husband’s charm, charisma, or skill at working an audience.

Before I go on, I should stop and say: this is not about whether Clinton would be a good president. This is about getting to the Oval Office in the first place. We are not living under a parliamentary system where the party leadership can decide, after a brief internecine squabble, who gets to sit in the big chair. In American politics, you have to actually get elected. It’s not enough to be effective at party politics, or even a wizard at policy. You have to actually be good at making people like you. Something that Clinton has never shown much aptitude for.


Being only middling likable myself, I’m certainly sympathetic. But you see, this is one reason that I am not running for president, and why, if I ever suggested such a daft thing, I would hope that the people around me would stage a tactful yet firm intervention. Instead, everyone around her rushed to enable her dream -- and put the party in a position where it now has a real shot at making her the woman who lost the Oval Office, not just to Barack Obama, but also to Donald Trump, a man who clearly struggled over whether to distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan; a man who stage-managed his own convention into a series of own-goals, from his wife’s plagiarized speech to the sight of a primary rival getting booed off the stage; a man who started off his post-convention campaign by rambling about a theorized connection between said primary rival’s dad and the man who shot President Kennedy. Bill Clinton could have defeated Trump with one hand tied behind his back, a bag over his head, and a debilitating case of laryngitis. His wife is, at this point, struggling to hold even. I still think she’s a favorite to win. But it never should have been close enough for anyone to care about the size of Trump’s post-convention bounce.

...

How can we explain this? For one thing, I think Clinton’s candidacy -- like Trump’s candidacy, in its own, very different way -- points to the fatal weakness of the political parties. Decades of “good government” reforms have systematically stripped the power that parties once had: to control money, to control committee assignments, to control how much pork politicians get to brag about to the voters back home. What’s left is a hollow shell that cannot effectively respond to either grassroots insurgencies or to outsize figures who effectively turn the party apparatus to their own ends. If you think, as I do, that parties play a vital role in organizing political action toward coherent goals and long-term accountability, that’s something that should worry you.

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Gunny
07-26-2016, 06:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/view_from_chicago/2012/11/defending_the_electoral_college.html


http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/defense-electoral-college

Yeah, they keep using that "each state shall ...." excuse. In the meantime, very few people actually know how the system works. They think their vote counts because they're told to think that. What they don't realize is their vote counts at the local and state level.

Texas is always reported as a red state. The fact is, at the local level, it's anything but. San Antonio is run by Dems at every level. And they will re-district you right out of existence.

It behooves the Dems to keep the electoral college. They'd be screwed otherwise.

Gunny
07-26-2016, 06:02 PM
Has to be some happy medium between that and Little Debbie. :)

There's no happy medium with her name in the sentence. My idea of a happy medium with her is chaining an anchor around her neck and tossing her over the rail.

Kathianne
07-26-2016, 10:21 PM
Yeah, they keep using that "each state shall ...." excuse. In the meantime, very few people actually know how the system works. They think their vote counts because they're told to think that. What they don't realize is their vote counts at the local and state level.

Texas is always reported as a red state. The fact is, at the local level, it's anything but. San Antonio is run by Dems at every level. And they will re-district you right out of existence.

It behooves the Dems to keep the electoral college. They'd be screwed otherwise.

The answer is more direct democracy! Bring it on, live it, love it! Working great!

GravyBoat
07-27-2016, 01:49 AM
JFK banged Marilyn Monroe, that makes him one hell of a president in my book. Look who Slick Willy was banging. Monica Lewinsky? C'mon, no comparison,

Gunny
07-27-2016, 04:44 AM
JFK banged Marilyn Monroe, that makes him one hell of a president in my book. Look who Slick Willy was banging. Monica Lewinsky? C'mon, no comparison,

I'll tell you right now I don't approve of screwing around on one's partner. At the same time, of all the things Bill can be blamed for, I never blamed him for Monica. I DO find her abhorrent, but look at who he is married to. I'd buy some sheep before touching Hillary. They were getting a divorce when they decided to stay together to run for President. I would have told him to ditch the baggage.

JFK I'm not that up to snuff on. I was 3 when he got murdered and living in Turkey. The first President I remember was LBJ. Was a different world then. The media covered the Presidents' asses. That all changed mostly with Nixon. He made an enemy of the media and they let him have it.

I was just watching this old speech on C-Span Kennedy made. He went on and on. That is NOT effective speaking. Nixon's speech was actually better. He was the better candidate in 60. He was not however media friendly.

To me, the 1960 campaign did more to define US than it did the candidates.

GravyBoat
07-27-2016, 12:53 PM
They say Nixon was the better candidate - on radio. On TV, Kennedy was the clear winner. The TV made Kennedy president.

Gunny
07-27-2016, 02:17 PM
They say Nixon was the better candidate - on radio. On TV, Kennedy was the clear winner. The TV made Kennedy president.

The TV has made most of our Presidents since then. The last 2 elections plus this one have been the worst. The created Obama. He's incompetent. They've also made sure the right has had sure losers.

Had Robert Kennedy not been assassinated, he'd have beaten Nixon and look at his game. He was a total weasel in Congressional hearings, then comes off as this nice guy running for President.

Black Diamond
07-27-2016, 02:22 PM
The TV has made most of our Presidents since then. The last 2 elections plus this one have been the worst. The created Obama. He's incompetent. They've also made sure the right has had sure losers.

Had Robert Kennedy not been assassinated, he'd have beaten Nixon and look at his game. He was a total weasel in Congressional hearings, then comes off as this nice guy running for President.
i am one of the few who thinks RFK doesn't even win the nomination.

i agree about RFK being a weasel and then coming off as a nice guy. Some say his brother's murder changed him.

Gunny
07-27-2016, 03:01 PM
i am one of the few who thinks RFK doesn't even win the nomination.

i agree about RFK being a weasel and then coming off as a nice guy. Some say his brother's murder changed him.

Hard to say. Footage from then is sketchy. I know historically he hated LBJ. LBJ not running was gift from Heaven.

I also remember the times. I think RFK would have won. He was so popular it wasn't funny. And he was media friendly. His assassination shattered the DNC. They had 3 different people running in the end.

The irony is, if you look at what Nixon did, he'd have to run as a Dem today. He was totally big government. Biggest thing I remember was that 55 mph speed limit. Making a deal with the Devil and claiming peace with honor. What honor? You mean all those guys just died for nothing because you made a promise? Deja vu, Barrak.