RNC/Trump Meeting Today

[Kathianne]

Not all is hunky dorey between the two:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-rnc-meeting-226938


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Struggling campaign requests Orlando sit-down to fix the relationship and plot a turnaround.
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Donald Trump’s campaign and top Republican Party officials plan what one person called a “come to Jesus” meeting on Friday in Orlando to discuss the Republican nominee’s struggling campaign, according to multiple sources familiar with the scheduled sit-down.


Though a campaign source dismissed it as a "typical" gathering, others described it as a more serious meeting, with one calling it an "emergency meeting." It comes at a time of mounting tension between the campaign and the Republican National Committee, which is facing pressure to pull the plug on Trump’s campaign and redirect party funds down ballot to protect congressional majorities endangered by Trump’s candidacy.

The request for the Orlando Ritz Carlton meeting originated with Trump’s campaign, according to a source familiar with the broad details, and is being viewed by RNC officials as a sign that the campaign has come to grips with the difficulty it is having in maintaining a message and running a ground game.

“They want to patch up a rift that just keeps unfolding,” one source said. “They finally realize they need the RNC for their campaign because, let’s face it, there is no campaign.”

Another person familiar with the meeting, a Republican operative who works with the campaign, said the planned gathering was “a come-to-Jesus meeting.” That source said that many Trump campaign staffers share the party officials’ frustrations with Trump’s penchant for self-sabotaging rhetoric. “What’s bothering people on the campaign is that they feel like they’re doing all the right things, but they’re losing every news cycle to Hillary and there’s nothing they can do about it.”

The campaign official said Trump, who is scheduled to travel to Pennsylvania on Friday, was not slated to attend the meeting, but that Karen Giorno, a senior adviser to the campaign, was.

...

But party officials have grumbled (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-republican-national-committee-224403) that Trump has ignored their advice on how to professionalize his campaign, while trying to seize too much control of the party’s fundraising apparatus.

And some officials on Trump’s campaign have privately questioning the party’s commitment to its nominee – concerns that were inflamed Thursday when POLITICO revealed (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/republicans-urge-rnc-cut-funds-trump-226918) that more than 70 Republicans had signed an open letter to Priebus urging him to stop spending any money to help Trump, and to instead shift cash to saving the party’s congressional majorities.


Trump on Thursday night challenged reports that the RNC might shift resources down ballot, warning in an interview on Fox News “if it is true, that’s okay too because all I have to do is stop funding the Republican Party.”


Trump argued that the RNC needs him more than he needs the committee, asserting: “I’m the one raising that’s funding, I’m the one that’s raising the money and other people are getting to use the money that I raised.”


An RNC member said discontent with the Trump campaign has hit new heights in recent days, describing “major tumult in the building and staff problems and disagreements and RNC staff on the edge of mutiny.”


That’s particularly evident in must-win Florida, the nation’s biggest battleground state, where Trump’s campaign has only one field office and no visible footprint (http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/08/as-clinton-campaign-opens-adds-staff-offices-trump-camp-counts-on-rise-of-independent-gop-voters-to-win-fla-104589) otherwise. It plans to open 25 offices by early September, but rank-and-file Republican Party members and candidates are worried that Hillary Clinton’s team is building a robust campaign across the state.


Republicans started growing more-jittery this week as a Quinnipiac University poll indicated Trump was losing his advantage in Florida over Hillary Clinton and might be dragging down (http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/08/florida-poll-hurt-by-trump-rubio-in-too-close-to-call-us-senate-race-with-murphy-104657) Sen. Marco Rubio’s reelection efforts.

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“In Florida, usually by this time, we’d have 10 field offices set up, but right now, there is only one,” said Al Cardenas, a former chairman of the state’s Republican Party.


So far, cooperation between the campaign and the committee has been strained.

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[Gunny]

Not all is hunky dorey between the two:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-rnc-meeting-226938

Now THERE is a meeting of the minds, huh? :laugh2:

[Bilgerat]

98% of these asshats who are pissing & moaning are (in my opinion) just trying to protect the status quo, and therefore any political "power" they perceive themselves having.

Lets face it, if The Donald were to get in, why they would be seen as superfluous.

They would rather endure one to two terms of the Hildabeast rather than "lose" what they have

So they'll "Dump on Trump", ensure his loss, endure at least two SCOTUS appointments and will (again in my opinion) watch the complete and utter destruction of the Republican Party.

Boy's and Girls, I submit:



We are well and truly fucked

[Kathianne]

98% of these asshats who are pissing & moaning are (in my opinion) just trying to protect the status quo, and therefore any political "power" they perceive themselves having.

Lets face it, if The Donald were to get in, why they would be seen as superfluous.

They would rather endure one to two terms of the Hildabeast rather than "lose" what they have

So they'll "Dump on Trump", ensure his loss, endure at least two SCOTUS appointments and will (again in my opinion) watch the complete and utter destruction of the Republican Party.

Boy's and Girls, I submit:



We are well and truly fucked


Looks like many are already just working raising money for candidates and not giving to RNC.

[Kathianne]

This is NOT how one campaigns when losing. Just like the way he campaigned while winning wasn't destined to add new supporters. Now this does make one wonder what his campaign was all about, if not letting Hillary win? Is there some grand 'outsider Plan Z' I'm missing here?

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/12/the-latest-wet-blanket-to-comment-on-donald-trumps-electoral-chances-is-donald-trump/


The latest wet blanket to comment on Donald Trump’s electoral chances is … Donald Trump

POSTED AT 2:41 PM ON AUGUST 12, 2016 BY DUANE PATTERSON


This will get the Trump supporters in a dither. Normally, whenever anyone dares mention the polling, both state and national, that doesn’t exactly paint a rosy picture, the reaction from Trump nation is that they’re rooting for HIllary, we’re elitists, nobody cares what we think, the poll is bogus, and usually something else that’s not polite to say in print.

Last night, at a rally in Sunrise, Florida, one of the few battleground states that Donald Trump is showing strength in currently, losing by only a point, according to both Fox 13/Opinion Savvy and Quinnipiac, Trump sounded a lot less Trumpy, and a lot more subdued when talking about the state of the race. Remember, at a rally, where you’re supposed to energize your crowd and tell them how great things are going, Trump had this to say, as reported in this morning’s New York Times in an article by Maggie Haberman and Nick Corasaniti (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/12/us/politics/donald-trump-obama-isis.html?ref=politics&_r=0).



“We’re having a tremendous problem in Utah,” Mr. Trump said, alluding to polls showing him in a fight with Mrs. Clinton in that normally deep-red state. “Utah is different.”
In Ohio, Mr. Trump said, “We need help.”



With regards to Pennsylvania, another battleground state Trump hopes to capture from Hillary Clinton, Trump sounded more optimistic, at least more optimistic than Susquehanna, Quinnipiac and NBC/WSJ/Marist, who see Hillary taking the Keystone State by 10, 10 and 11 points respectively.



In Pennsylvania, a state he once insisted he would win, he seemed now to hold out hope of an upset that was looking more like a long-shot. “Pennsylvania is a little further, but I think we’ll win Pennsylvania because of the miners,” he said, adding of Mrs. Clinton: “She wants the miners out of business. She wants steel out of business.”


Virginia, another state Mr. Trump is hopeful to win in order to get to 270 Electoral votes, was reported on by Ms. Haberman and Mr. Corasaniti this way.
And in Virginia, Mr. Trump said, the result would depend on whether evangelical Christian voters turn out to support him in November. In 2012, he said, evangelicals nationally did not vote in sufficiently large numbers for Mitt Romney.

“Had you voted for Romney, it would have been much closer,” he told his audience. “You didn’t vote for Romney, the evangelicals. Religion didn’t get out and vote.”

Mr. Trump pleaded with pastors and church leaders to organize their congregants and impress upon them the stakes in the election. “We’re going to hopefully win, and the way we’re going to win is you have to get your congregations and you have to get parishioners and you have to get all your people to go out and vote,” he said.



It’s hard to look for blue state pick-offs at this stage of the game, and Trump did not mention at the rally other red states that are currently within or very near margin of error, like Arizona, where Trump is only up 2, Georgia, where Trump is down 1.2, Kansas, where Trump is only up 5, and South Carolina, where Trump is only up 2, North Carolina, where he’s losing by 1, Iowa, where he’s down by 0.4, Nevada, where he’s down 2.3, or Ohio, where he’s down 2.6.

But forget about all of those other states. Focus on the states he mentioned – Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Utah. If the candidate himself is signaling trouble, and saying in various interviews different variations of, “If I lose, I lose, I’ll still have a good life,” doesn’t this at least raise red flags to at least some of the Trump faithful?

[aboutime]

All of the stories (rumors) about how terrible everything is for Trump, and the GOP is nothing but Liberal Hyperbole, doubled-up, and sanctioned by the Clinton LIARS CLUB.

It's the same kind of games the LIBERAL loving media played back in 2000 when they tried to storm with their influence for AL GORE....which led to the debacle in FLORIDA, and all the CHAD BS that still makes ASS-OLES in the Democrat party need preparation h...for their TWO PUCKERS on both openings head to toe.

[Kathianne]

While Red states turn pink and grey, Trump is holding rallies in deep Blue states. 0 money spent on ads. No local presence in states that have been reliable Red. Couldn't be he's trying to lose, right? “If I lose, I lose, I’ll still have a good life.”


http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/12/politics/trump-travel-spending-republicans-connecticut/index.html


Republicans question Trump's travel choices, tight purse stringsBy Dana Bash (http://www.cnn.com/profiles/dana-bash-profile) and Abigail Crutchfield, CNN


Updated 10:04 AM ET, Sat August 13, 2016

[DLT]

Not all is hunky dorey between the two:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-rnc-meeting-226938

Oh, to be a fly on the wall at that confab....lol.

Imagine what they must have talked about. Especially when..... all they really had to do is show up with a big roll of duct tape and hand it to Giorno with instructions on how to apply to Donald's mouth.

[jimnyc]

Priebus is fine and even came out and announce Trump as the next president. Things aren't as bad as the great media make it sound. The "elites" and anti-trumpers that don't like him want to keep pushing. And other than those elites that wanted nothing to do with him from the beginning anyway, things are fine.

The issue IS those elites, those working non-stop against him, the media and such. We have the Romney types in the party, and then the anti-trumpers have turned into a bunch of little Romney's.

But he is still bringing in massive crowds and raising a shitload for the party - which some of them want to use that money for the senators and such running for reelection. What a bunch of shit. He said that if they tried that, he would stop fundraising for them, and I wouldn't blame him in the slightest bit.

[Kathianne]

Priebus is fine and even came out and announce Trump as the next president. Things aren't as bad as the great media make it sound. The "elites" and anti-trumpers that don't like him want to keep pushing. And other than those elites that wanted nothing to do with him from the beginning anyway, things are fine.

The issue IS those elites, those working non-stop against him, the media and such. We have the Romney types in the party, and then the anti-trumpers have turned into a bunch of little Romney's.

But he is still bringing in massive crowds and raising a shitload for the party - which some of them want to use that money for the senators and such running for reelection. What a bunch of shit. He said that if they tried that, he would stop fundraising for them, and I wouldn't blame him in the slightest bit.
Me neither. It would be a reasonable reaction to his contribution. I never thought there should be undermining by the party of the winning candidate-I've said so many times through many iterations.

What we are seeing now are big donors holding 'fundraisers' for individual candidates and not making donations to the RNC. What I said months ago, is starting-a schism. Will it last, win or lose? Blowout or squeaker? Time will tell.

I still find the contest interesting-both candidates look like whomever implodes second to last may well win.

[revelarts]

I'm still thinking that if Trump had chosen Ric Flair as his running mate it would have made Trump look saner.
Not Pence who's acting as a Trump clean up man and a backdrop of respectability.
He makes Trump look worse. Trump looks even more like a nut and an idiot.
Ric Flair would have energized the base he already has and brought in millions... 30+ years worth.. of non-voters from WWF WFC and mid-altlantic wrestling stands. You think i'm joking? Plus the Press would be on the Trumps trail 24/7 FREE advertising. AND Flair would be the one who looks more UNHINGED and over the top. While both he and Trump hit the same campaign talking points....

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Heck I might pay money to go see a Trump•Flair political meeting.

[revelarts]

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[jimnyc]

I'm still thinking that if Trump had chosen Ric Flair as his running mate it would have made Trump look saner.
Not Pence who's acting as a Trump clean up man and a backdrop of respectability.
He makes Trump look worse. Trump looks even more like a nut and an idiot.
Ric Flair would have energized the base he already has and brought in millions... 30+ years worth.. of non-voters from WWF WFC and mid-altlantic wrestling stands. You think i'm joking? Plus the Press would be on the Trumps trail 24/7 FREE advertising. AND Flair would be the one who looks more UNHINGED and over the top. While both he and Trump hit the same campaign talking points....


Heck I might pay money to go see a Trump•Flair political meeting.

I have a serious question, Rev.

Outside of what many see on the news at night, or the video clips that circulate the internet - how many of his 1 1/2 hour long events have you actually tuned into, and listened to his entire message, and how he speaks? Be honest! My guess is you haven't sat and watched a single one. Hell, that's not even a guess. We both know. :)

[jimnyc]

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We could have had your hero!

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[revelarts]

I have a serious question, Rev.

Outside of what many see on the news at night, or the video clips that circulate the internet - how many of his 1 1/2 hour long events have you actually tuned into, and listened to his entire message, and how he speaks? Be honest! My guess is you haven't sat and watched a single one. Hell, that's not even a guess. We both know. :)

Actually Jim I have listened to all of several of his rambling talks now. Read a transcript or 2 as well. Including his "law and order" acceptance speech at the convention, "BELIEVE ME!".
But there's NO WAY for you to know that i haven't Jim, so don't be mad and just ASS-UME that I since i think He STINKS as a candidate I haven't heard him out, I have.
Fact is just i don't like much of what he says content wise Jim, that he can't be trusted to follow though on the little i do like based on his business and political actions of the past, AND I think as a person he's a shallow HORRIBLE candidate for President.
With his MAIN Appeal being his BOMBAST! well his... SYLTNIN', PROFILIN' LIMOUSINE RIDIN', JET PLANE FYIN', KISS STEALING, WHEELIN' AND DEALIN' WHOOO!

BTW The other things he has in common with Ric Flair is that both their good looking daughters successfully went into the family Biz. And and they both seem to awkwardly(?) touch them when together in Public.

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[jimnyc]

You are correct, there is no way for me to know for sure. But if someone has a straight face about someone like Ron Paul, and then thinks a sound byte or meme covers all of Trump... I guess we simply saw a bit different at the events. Not conferences, but his events around the country. I've watched no less than 30 of them now, and in full. Many who didn;t like him from the get go have a lot to say. Millions of others that watch and attend such events don't see it the same as you. But that's politics. But if you think he's like the WWE, and see no issue with folks that want to unleash harsh drugs on the public, so be it. Look at the things in that one photo about Ron Paul. Can you find where you EVEN ONCE posted about those things about him? I didn't think so. So like I said, I guess folks "see" things differently, or what they want.

[jimnyc]

Speaking of "inappropriate" :)

https://i.imgur.com/pfjGE1t.jpg

[Kathianne]

I wrote a bit, (ok, understatement) on Ron Paul Newsletters way back when. There is consistency of why I was drawn to what Ron Paul said-as I've said multiple times of Trump's identification of real problems that need to be addressed-but upon some scrutiny why the messengers were just not, IMO, acceptable as candidates.

I still can't believe that Ron Paul had 'no idea' that his newsletters were used in such a way. He did disavow them and did nothing during the campaign to mimic those newsletters.

I don't think there's anything in Trump's past actions to demonstrate that he's prejudiced along racial lines-however those that are have found many subliminal agreements during the election season, he's done little to nothing to disabuse them of these notions. I still don't think he's prejudiced in such matters, he just plays to them. This is not a way to win over those that weren't attracted to him in the primaries or the independents now deciding whom to vote for.

I just am left wondering why such a smart man, which he undeniably is, would make so many gaffes and then double or triple down on them? Why is he now talking about how the voting will be rigged and 'there's no reasons he can see to work on 'get out the vote?' It's almost like he feels he's going to lose and wants the down ticket to go to the Democrats.

[revelarts]

Jim It's really sad that you can't post any of the great points About Trump plans after listening to him at his "conferences " over 30 times. But yes i have suffered through a "conference" or 2 as well. (And are u derailing the thread with Ron Paul jim? pitiful.)
But Jim i don't see what secrets and WELL THOUGHT OUT conservative plans is he giving out at conferences that he's not giving out in long-ish interviews, other speeches or in his stupid tweets.

I've ask you and othesr before to give me something to go on with this guy.
so far All I've heard is "he's not Hillary" and He'll probably, maybe, do something to hang onto the 2nd amendment and might, possibly, could elect conservatives to the supreme court...."BELIEVE ME!" "TRUST ME!".
OH yeah! And he a good Business man!
Period. FULL STOP.

If that's good enough for you fine, Jim.
But I think ANY of the other R candidates... Other than Jeb... would have filled those 2 political criteria far BETTER than Trump. And his wheelin' and dealin' kiss stealing' and jet plain fyin', name calling', crazy talkin'.

[Kathianne]

It's really sad that you can't post any of the great points About Trump plans after listening to him at his "conferences " over 30 times. But yes i have suffered through a "conference" or 2 as well. (And are u derailing the thread with Ron Paul jim? pitiful.)
But Jim i don't see what secrets and WELL THOUGHT OUT conservative plans is he giving out at conferences that he's not giving out in long-ish interviews, other speeches or in his stupid tweets.

I've ask you and othesr before to give me something to go on with this guy.
so far All I've heard is "he's not Hillary" and He'll probably, maybe, do something to hang onto the 2nd amendment and might, possibly, could elect conservatives to the supreme court...."BELIEVE ME!" "TRUST ME!".
OH yeah! And he a good Business man!
Period. FULL STOP.

If that's good enough for you fine, Jim.
But I think ANY of the other R candidates... Other than Jeb... would have filled those 2 political criteria far BETTER than Trump. And his wheelin' and dealin' kiss stealing' and jet plain fyin', name calling', crazy talkin'.

That pretty well sums up what I've been hearing. I'll add that I've read his 'positions on the issues' and have listened to him go back and forth multiple times. Haven't a clue to what he'd do if elected.

The SCOTUS appointments were the one thing that have given me pause, when push comes to shove, I have no reason to believe him given his repeatedly contradicting himself on nearly all issues. Then there was the way he use 'the list' that he would use to appoint nominees 'like' those on the list, though there would likely be others...

Basically I don't trust him, just like I don't trust Hillary.

[revelarts]

I wrote a bit, (ok, understatement) on Ron Paul Newsletters way back when. There is consistency of why I was drawn to what Ron Paul said-as I've said multiple times of Trump's identification of real problems that need to be addressed-but upon some scrutiny why the messengers were just not, IMO, acceptable as candidates.

I still can't believe that Ron Paul had 'no idea' that his newsletters were used in such a way. He did disavow them and did nothing during the campaign to mimic those newsletters.

I don't think there's anything in Trump's past actions to demonstrate that he's prejudiced along racial lines-however those that are have found many subliminal agreements during the election season, he's done little to nothing to disabuse them of these notions. I still don't think he's prejudiced in such matters, he just plays to them. This is not a way to win over those that weren't attracted to him in the primaries or the independents now deciding whom to vote for.

I just am left wondering why such a smart man, which he undeniably is, would make so many gaffes and then double or triple down on them? Why is he now talking about how the voting will be rigged and 'there's no reasons he can see to work on 'get out the vote?' It's almost like he feels he's going to lose and wants the down ticket to go to the Democrats.

Kath.
I've posted items that show Trumps racial issues.

But as you say Trump has not said anything to disabuse those that DO hold those views outright. Those out of the closet racist who eagerly support him.
While ... I have to say... you seemed to ignore the fact that Ron Paul did in fact repudiate the OLD newsletters (over and over and over) and any support of the racist ideals. And brought in a ton of youth and minorities with a message of liberty and was able to do what many republicans find hard to do, looked beyond race for the causes of high black incarceration and even questioned the fairness of the justice system.

But if i wanted to continuously post Trumps racism or sexism, every time Trumps name came up I could. His apartments were sued and he LOST Multiple times for racist policies there. As well as his casinos. should i post the legal docs.. they are long. --it might make some people angry because... to many words.
But I'm not sure how people can ignore that and even make excuses 'that it's business'. As if it's somehow OK to discriminate against blacks and latinos in housing, and in entertainment venues if you're trying to make money.
Are we to Assume that if he thinks it's OK to try to get away with discrimination for the good of his business that he won't think he should do the same for the "good of the country"? Where's the logic in that? Should we just "TRUST HIM" on that.

[jimnyc]

Jim It's really sad that you can't post any of the great points About Trump plans after listening to him at his "conferences " over 30 times. But yes i have suffered through a "conference" or 2 as well. (And are u derailing the thread with Ron Paul jim? pitiful.)
But Jim i don't see what secrets and WELL THOUGHT OUT conservative plans is he giving out at conferences that he's not giving out in long-ish interviews, other speeches or in his stupid tweets.

I've ask you and othesr before to give me something to go on with this guy.
so far All I've heard is "he's not Hillary" and He'll probably, maybe, do something to hang onto the 2nd amendment and might, possibly, could elect conservatives to the supreme court...."BELIEVE ME!" "TRUST ME!".
OH yeah! And he a good Business man!
Period. FULL STOP.

If that's good enough for you fine, Jim.
But I think ANY of the other R candidates... Other than Jeb... would have filled those 2 political criteria far BETTER than Trump. And his wheelin' and dealin' kiss stealing' and jet plain fyin', name calling', crazy talkin'.

My bad if you were unable to read the endless posts I've made about Trump in the past year. I've posted PLENTY after watching his events.

And I'm derailing with a post about Ron Paul, a politician - but you posted about a WWE wrestler!! LOL That's not pitiful, just 100% about Trump and the RNC, correct? :rolleyes:

[jimnyc]

But I think ANY of the other R candidates... Other than Jeb... would have filled those 2 political criteria far BETTER than Trump. And his wheelin' and dealin' kiss stealing' and jet plain fyin', name calling', crazy talkin'.

100% no one else's fault but those candidates who ran bad campaigns and were unable to get folks to vote for them. I guess they weren't better in that department. Maybe they need "campaigning 101" in order to learn how to go up against someone who is SO bad?

[jimnyc]

Kath.
I've posted items that show Trumps racial issues.

And yet the man who OUTRIGHT writes about being racist, gets a pass and excuses! LOL

It would be ok for me to say, that in places like Milwaukee last night - things will be better when those black folks go to get their welfare checks? But Trump is the racist? Sorry, I don't see anything Trump said or did that is even remotely racist as the trash that Ron Paul wrote.

[Kathianne]

I wrote a bit, (ok, understatement) on Ron Paul Newsletters way back when. There is consistency of why I was drawn to what Ron Paul said-as I've said multiple times of Trump's identification of real problems that need to be addressed-but upon some scrutiny why the messengers were just not, IMO, acceptable as candidates.

I still can't believe that Ron Paul had 'no idea' that his newsletters were used in such a way. He did disavow them and did nothing during the campaign to mimic those newsletters.

I don't think there's anything in Trump's past actions to demonstrate that he's prejudiced along racial lines-however those that are have found many subliminal agreements during the election season, he's done little to nothing to disabuse them of these notions. I still don't think he's prejudiced in such matters, he just plays to them. This is not a way to win over those that weren't attracted to him in the primaries or the independents now deciding whom to vote for.

I just am left wondering why such a smart man, which he undeniably is, would make so many gaffes and then double or triple down on them? Why is he now talking about how the voting will be rigged and 'there's no reasons he can see to work on 'get out the vote?' It's almost like he feels he's going to lose and wants the down ticket to go to the Democrats.


Kath.
I've posted items that show Trumps racial issues.

But as you say Trump has not said anything to disabuse those that DO hold those views outright. Those out of the closet racist who eagerly support him.
While ... I have to say... you seemed to ignore the fact that Ron Paul did in fact repudiate the OLD newsletters (over and over and over) and any support of the racist ideals. And brought in a ton of youth and minorities with a message of liberty and was able to do what many republicans find hard to do, looked beyond race for the causes of high black incarceration and even questioned the fairness of the justice system.

But if i wanted to continuously post Trumps racism or sexism, every time Trumps name came up I could. His apartments were sued and he LOST Multiple times for racist policies there. As well as his casinos. should i post the legal docs.. they are long. --it might make some people angry because... to many words.
But I'm not sure how people can ignore that and even make excuses 'that it's business'. As if it's somehow OK to discriminate against blacks and latinos in housing, and in entertainment venues if you're trying to make money.
Are we to Assume that if he thinks it's OK to try to get away with discrimination for the good of his business that he won't think he should do the same for the "good of the country"? Where's the logic in that? Should we just "TRUST HIM" on that.

I bolded my post and you're response which I wanted to bring some clarity to.

Again, there were so many things that I'd agreed with Paul going in, it was what I found after that made him unacceptable TO ME.

Trump may have been able to overcome my original repulsion, (Maybe), if he'd acted very differently than he did. He didn't. It really is that simple.

He chose not to even attempt any appeal to those that were not originally attracted. One isn't going to win with just a minority core.

[jimnyc]

When someone makes comments that can be mistaken and debated as potentially racist, that's one thing. But RP could have disavowed that crap 3000 times and it wouldn't change what he thought/wrote. OF COURSE someone running for office, and busted with such outrageous racist writings, would disavow/make excuses and such to get out from under it. But my belief is that when someone is SO racist to write the shit he did, which was WAY WAY WAY over the norm, simply disavowing them to help try and get elected doesn't matter. He's a racist to the bone with that shit. They weren't little implications and such, that was pure racism and hatred oozing through his lips to his pen to his paper. Trump didn't come within 50 football fields length of what the kook wrote.

[jimnyc]

I bolded my post and you're response which I wanted to bring some clarity to.

Again, there were so many things that I'd agreed with Paul going in, it was what I found after that made him unacceptable TO ME.

Trump may have been able to overcome my original repulsion, (Maybe), if he'd acted very differently than he did. He didn't. It really is that simple.

He chose not to even attempt any appeal to those that were not originally attracted. One isn't going to win with just a minority core.

And don't forget such things that are in the lame picture I posted, while the wordings are true - as some would liked to have ignored it back then, ignore it today as they praise him, and condemn others for much less.

[Kathianne]

And don't forget such things that are in the lame picture I posted, while the wordings are true - as some would liked to have ignored it back then, ignore it today as they praise him, and condemn others for much less.

I think I've been pretty consistent, as you have been. (With the exception of calling me a retard.) :laugh:

[jimnyc]

I think I've been pretty consistent, as you have been. (With the exception of calling me a retard.) :laugh:

True. But for clarification, I never called you retarded, and wouldn't. What I actually wrote:


Everytime I see someone blame Trump supporters somehow, I will gladly reply and explain how retarded that is, that's all.

BIG BIG BIG difference between calling a position/post/phrase/sentence or whatever you want to call it - calling that retarded - is FAR different than calling someone themselves retarded, which I did not do. I make retarded posts myself all the time, and freely admit as much, whether that be about politics, or just funny shit in the lounge - but I'm not saying that "I" am retarded.

[Kathianne]

True. But for clarification, I never called you retarded, and wouldn't. What I actually wrote:



BIG BIG BIG difference between calling a position/post/phrase/sentence or whatever you want to call it - calling that retarded - is FAR different than calling someone themselves retarded, which I did not do. I make retarded posts myself all the time, and freely admit as much, whether that be about politics, or just funny shit in the lounge - but I'm not saying that "I" am retarded.

I'll accept that! ;)

Just for the record, 'some supporters' doesn't mean YOU, unless you resemble what was written. Nor does it necessarily include anyone/everyone of THIS board. Trump has many supporters, they are not all the same.

[revelarts]

100% no one else's fault but those candidates who ran bad campaigns and were unable to get folks to vote for them. I guess they weren't better in that department. Maybe they need "campaigning 101" in order to learn how to go up against someone who is SO bad?

I'd say it's the fault of those that voted for him that were bamboozled by his talk of Walls and and Wheelin' and Dealin', jet plane Flyin' and Name calling' .
Maybe the right wing voters need history, politics, gov't, civility and constitution 1o1.





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...It would be ok for me to say, that in places like Milwaukee last night - things will be better when those black folks go to get their welfare checks? ...

Jim... You, Trump and the David Dukiettes enjoy yourselves at the next rally.

[Kathianne]

Now the media isn't hiding the snark. Yet it's a case of live by the tweet, die by the tweet:

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4:11 PM

[jimnyc]

Rev - please don't PM me with your crap. Keep your BS in the threads. That's not what the PM's are for.

And yup, I'm a blatant racist, you got me again. No need to address actual racists that are busted when you can point fingers at board members. Funny that I am racist for simply repeating Ron Paul's own words. If that offends you - tough fucking shit. He's aok and excused, but I'm a racist for repeating his vile garbage.

I'll leave you to it, have fun with your wrestling since you had to point out in various forms of communication that bringing up a former politician was wrong of me, but Ric Flair and the WWE is ok. Perhaps it is, but not my cup of tea, so have fun.

But please, seriously, whine in the threads instead of nagging me in private with the BS. Thanks!

[revelarts]

Rev - please don't PM me with your crap. Keep your BS in the threads. That's not what the PM's are for.

And yup, I'm a blatant racist, you got me again. No need to address actual racists that are busted when you can point fingers at board members. Funny that I am racist for simply repeating Ron Paul's own words. If that offends you - tough fucking shit. He's aok and excused, but I'm a racist for repeating his vile garbage.

I'll leave you to it, have fun with your wrestling since you had to point out in various forms of communication that bringing up a former politician was wrong of me, but Ric Flair and the WWE is ok. Perhaps it is, but not my cup of tea, so have fun.

But please, seriously, whine in the threads instead of nagging me in private with the BS. Thanks!

Frankly I was trying to keep the argument OFF the board since it's been between me and you Jim.
I thought we could deal with it in private.

But it's Funny that'd you'd PM not to PM you then come on the board and say the same in public.
makes no sense..

[jimnyc]

Frankly I was trying to keep the argument OFF the board since it's been between me and you Jim.
I thought we could deal with it in private.

But it's Funny that'd you'd PM not to PM you then come on the board and say the same in public.
makes no sense..

It was board related, you wrote the same garbage there and tried to condemn me for going off topic, or somehow being a grand wizard racist for pointing out your hero's racism again, or daring to use his own wording. And yes, I was making it ABUNDANTLY clear, that if I'm such a racist - I want it on the board where ALL can see and make up their minds. PM's aren't for debating BS.

Now have fun with the on topic WWE politicians, and I'll try my damn hardest to avoid YOUR thread and not bring up any off topic political stuff.

Someone else brought up similar recently... I will be MORE than happy to alter the board settings I've enjoyed since day one - and allow members to place moderators and admins on ignore. IN FACT - I just went and changed it for the first time. FEEL FREE to place the grand wizard and apparent KKK and David Duke similar person on ignore. I'm such a racist!

In addition to the ignore option, make yourself some money!! And NO HARD FEELINGS towards you, or anyone else - but I will happily give you $10 for every single member here that agrees with you, that I'm a racist, and they know this from my posting habits in the past 13 years. You should be rich soon!! And I don't want anyone being nice, or silent, because I own the place - I seriously want ANYONE reading this to chime in, and I'll gather the totals and send to you via paypal. I don't mind paying out, maybe cleanse myself of my so horrid racist sins!!

[revelarts]

But Jim you never answered my questions in the PMs BTW.
Why is it that you're such a stickler for exact quotation when it comes to your words. But with Ron Paul you claim he "wrote" the newsletters when it's been shown that he did not?
Why the hypocrisy and double standard there Jim?

And why is that Paul NOT writing the newsletters is to be considered racist "to the bone" but a Trump who actually refused Blacks and latinos housing and hassled them on their jobs with racist actions... and was sued and lost to the local and federal gov'ts over it is NOT raicst AT ALL.... let alone "to the bone".
Seems like words ... not even Paul's words... are worse than Trump's actions in your mind somehow.
Or is it just plain hypocrisy?

the double standard is sad.

As far as words go In the past 18 months I could post a few pages of Trumps sexist, illegal, unconstitutional, race baiting, traitorous, disrespectful to vets, crazy, ignorant, factually wrong, mocking of the handicapped, narcissistic, lying, double talking, inciting to violence, crude, uncivilized bs.

30 conferences of conservative gold (which they aren't) won't come close to covering even the smell of his verbal diarrhea.

[revelarts]

It was board related, you wrote the same garbage there and tried to condemn me for going off topic, or somehow being a grand wizard racist for pointing out your hero's racism again, or daring to use his own wording. And yes, I was making it ABUNDANTLY clear, that if I'm such a racist - I want it on the board where ALL can see and make up their minds. PM's aren't for debating BS.

Now have fun with the on topic WWE politicians, and I'll try my damn hardest to avoid YOUR thread and not bring up any off topic political stuff.

Someone else brought up similar recently... I will be MORE than happy to alter the board settings I've enjoyed since day one - and allow members to place moderators and admins on ignore. IN FACT - I just went and changed it for the first time. FEEL FREE to place the grand wizard and apparent KKK and David Duke similar person on ignore. I'm such a racist!

In addition to the ignore option, make yourself some money!! And NO HARD FEELINGS towards you, or anyone else - but I will happily give you $10 for every single member here that agrees with you, that I'm a racist, and they know this from my posting habits in the past 13 years. You should be rich soon!! And I don't want anyone being nice, or silent, because I own the place - I seriously want ANYONE reading this to chime in, and I'll gather the totals and send to you via paypal. I don't mind paying out, maybe cleanse myself of my so horrid racist sins!!


Please quote me where i called you a racist.
What i implied is that you'd be comfortable with that company Jim.

[jimnyc]

But Jim you never answered my questions in the BTW.
Why is it that you're such a stickler for exact quotation when it comes to your words. But with Ron Paul you claim he "wrote" the newsletters when it's been shown that he did not?
Why the hypocrisy and double standard there Jim?

And why is that that Paul NOT writing the newsletters is to considered racist "to the bone" but a Trump who actually refused Blacks and latinos housing and hassled them on their jobs with racist actions... and was sued and lost to the local and federal gov'ts over it is NOT raicst AT ALL.... let alone "to the bone".
Seems like words ... not even Paul's words... are worse than Trump's actions in your mind somehow.
Or is it just plain hypocrisy?

the double standard is sad.

As far as words go In the past 18 months I could post a few pages of Trumps sexist, illegal, unconstitutional, race baiting, traitorous, disrespectful to vets, crazy, ignorant, factually wrong, mocking of the handicapped, narcissistic, lying, double talking, inciting to violence, crude, uncivilized bs.

30 conferences of conservative gold (which they aren't) won't come close to covering his even the smell of his verbal diarrhea.

I hope this helps you against folks like me and the "david dukettes" and other racists at our next rally.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?56071-Change-in-ignore-options

[revelarts]

Some people want us to put SOME of Trumps... and Hillary's... Words and actions on ignore.
Sorry not going to happen here.




Actually Jim I have listened to all of several of his rambling talks now. Read a transcript or 2 as well. Including his "law and order" acceptance speech at the convention, "BELIEVE ME!".
But there's NO WAY for you to know that i haven't Jim, so don't be mad and just ASS-UME that I since i think He STINKS as a candidate I haven't heard him out, I have.
Fact is just i don't like much of what he says content wise Jim, that he can't be trusted to follow though on the little i do like based on his business and political actions of the past, AND I think as a person he's a shallow HORRIBLE candidate for President.
With his MAIN Appeal being his BOMBAST! well his... SYLTNIN', PROFILIN' LIMOUSINE RIDIN', JET PLANE FYIN', KISS STEALING, WHEELIN' AND DEALIN' WHOOO!

BTW The other things he has in common with Ric Flair is that both their good looking daughters successfully went into the family Biz. And and they both seem to awkwardly(?) touch them when together in Public.

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[Elessar]

In addition to the ignore option, make yourself some money!! And NO HARD FEELINGS towards you, or anyone else - but I will happily give you $10 for every single member here that agrees with you, that I'm a racist, and they know this from my posting habits in the past 13 years. You should be rich soon!! And I don't want anyone being nice, or silent, because I own the place - I seriously want ANYONE reading this to chime in, and I'll gather the totals and send to you via paypal. I don't mind paying out, maybe cleanse myself of my so horrid racist sins!!

Well...if you are racist, then I am a Tibetan Aviator! No 10 bucks due to me on this!:laugh:

[jimnyc]

Well...if you are racist, then I am a Tibetan Aviator! No 10 bucks due to me on this!:laugh:

I know full well that a dime won't be leaving my wallet. :) Anyone implying such, it's usually because they don't have an argument or they are flustered without having a decent reply, so they go from the topic to accusations towards the person posting. Don't like the factual data and therefore go after the person writing. I get similar responses over time when I post FACTS about just how bad crime is within the black community, and how the crime from 12% of the population is much worse than all other races combined. Some would prefer certain race issues to never be discussed. But this hasn't changed from at least the late 60's. lots of excuses and such, but nothing ever changes and the crimes continue, and the race accusations for noticing it continue.

Btw, did you hear what Conor McGregor said about JOHN CENA in his interview? THAT would be much more appropriate discussion than pointing out such facts that embarrass an entire race.

[Gunny]

Rev - please don't PM me with your crap. Keep your BS in the threads. That's not what the PM's are for.

And yup, I'm a blatant racist, you got me again. No need to address actual racists that are busted when you can point fingers at board members. Funny that I am racist for simply repeating Ron Paul's own words. If that offends you - tough fucking shit. He's aok and excused, but I'm a racist for repeating his vile garbage.

I'll leave you to it, have fun with your wrestling since you had to point out in various forms of communication that bringing up a former politician was wrong of me, but Ric Flair and the WWE is ok. Perhaps it is, but not my cup of tea, so have fun.

But please, seriously, whine in the threads instead of nagging me in private with the BS. Thanks!

You're too lazy to be a racist, ass.:laugh:

[jimnyc]

You're too lazy to be a racist, ass.:laugh:

Bottom line is this, and EVERYONE should/will agree - I'll speak my fucking mind, don't hold back and am always honest. If I were a racist, you would sure as hell know about it. I have serious issues with Islam and post about it, but fucking religion is NOT a race. I have a 100% white muslim guy that works down the road from me. I do have issues at times with ALL races, including whites. But the FACTS are, that when speaking about criminal actions, it's absolutely astounding that the tiny group outperforms much much larger groups. Then I'm a racist for pointing out while a couple of others find various reasons to excuse the crimes.

But I am lazy!! :lol:

[Gunny]

Bottom line is this, and EVERYONE should/will agree - I'll speak my fucking mind, don't hold back and am always honest. If I were a racist, you would sure as hell know about it. I have serious issues with Islam and post about it, but fucking religion is NOT a race. I have a 100% white muslim guy that works down the road from me. I do have issues at times with ALL races, including whites. But the FACTS are, that when speaking about criminal actions, it's absolutely astounding that the tiny group outperforms much much larger groups. Then I'm a racist for pointing out while a couple of others find various reasons to excuse the crimes.

But I am lazy!! :lol:

You like preaching to the choir much? I don't get it. If I want to hang out and slap each other on the back they got bars around here. I come on here to argue and call you and your AWOL brother names. :laugh:

I'm equal opportunity. I hate everyone. :laugh2:

[Elessar]

I know full well that a dime won't be leaving my wallet. :) Anyone implying such, it's usually because they don't have an argument or they are flustered without having a decent reply, so they go from the topic to accusations towards the person posting. Don't like the factual data and therefore go after the person writing. I get similar responses over time when I post FACTS about just how bad crime is within the black community, and how the crime from 12% of the population is much worse than all other races combined. Some would prefer certain race issues to never be discussed. But this hasn't changed from at least the late 60's. lots of excuses and such, but nothing ever changes and the crimes continue, and the race accusations for noticing it continue.

Btw, did you hear what Conor McGregor said about JOHN CENA in his interview? THAT would be much more appropriate discussion than pointing out such facts that embarrass an entire race.

Let's just face it. Some people cannot handle FACT and revert to claiming racism, bigotry, or homophobic tendencies.
Too damn PC this country has gotten.

[Gunny]

Let's just face it. Some people cannot handle FACT and revert to claiming racism, bigotry, or homophobic tendencies.
Too damn PC this country has gotten.

While I agree with the fact part, what I don't get is why the f- do you come on here if you don't want to argue? This is a political message board. Not a campfire where we all sit around and sing Kum Bi Ya. It seems like everyone's afraid to say anything. Screw THAT.

I get Trump's appeal. I don't agree with him as a choice. What I DO agree with is keeping that criminal who's on her 3rd decade of (known) crimes OUT. She gets in and we're f*cked. Anyone not voting against is f*cking us as a Nation. Simple as that.

I stand for the Constitution of the United States and I served for it. I don't care about someone's personal bullshit. You defend the flag first.

[Elessar]

I stand for the Constitution of the United States and I served for it. I don't care about someone's personal bullshit. You defend the flag first.

Defend the Constitution, the Flag and the people that stand tall next to them, my Friend!

[Gunny]

Defend the Constitution, the Flag and the people that stand tall next to them, my Friend!

I'll put this in layman's terms I know you'll get. I'm on the Tarawa. We've got an LPH and and LPA. Shadowed by a guided missile destroyer and a sub. And right in the middle I just cry Fuck no. Doesn't matter I'm Company Gunny and 140 Marines are looking at ME. Nope. I'm going to take my selfish ass out of the whole deal.

Yeah, f*cking you just count on that. Already beat your ass if you do. And I was a bitch as an individual. Come on. E-7? I know why everything won't work. And yes, I was THAT Chief on the green side.

But when they say "nice, Gunny. Now make it work", you make it work. Failure is NOT an option.