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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-05-2016, 01:10 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/australian-teen-jailed-over-islamic-state-inspired-plot-013528337.html


Australian teen jailed over Islamic State-inspired plot
[Associated Press]
September 4, 2016

MELBOURNE, Australia (AP) ó A teenager who plotted to run over and behead a police officer as part of an Islamic State movement-inspired attack on an Australian Veterans' Day ceremony was sentenced on Monday to 10 years in prison.

Sevdet Besim, 19, had faced a maximum sentence of life in prison after pleaded guilty in Victoria state's Supreme Court in June to one count of planning for a terrorist act.

On Monday, the court instead ordered Besim to serve a 10-year prison term, with the possibility of parole after 7 Ĺ years.

Prosecutors said Besim was involved in a plot to attack last year's services in Melbourne or the neighboring city of Dandenong marking ANZAC Day, the annual commemoration of the 1915 Gallipoli landings in Turkey. The campaign was the first major military action fought by the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps during World War I and hundreds of thousands of people attend commemoration services around Australia.

Police said Besim was motivated by an extremist ideology and had expressed support for the Islamic State group.

In court documents, prosecutors said that Besim and a British accomplice had also discussed packing a kangaroo with explosives and painting it with the Islamic State symbol before setting it loose on Australian police officers. The documents don't suggest the alleged kangaroo plot was linked to the ANZAC Day plot.

Last year, a British court sentenced a 15-year-old boy from Blackburn, in northwestern England, for his role in the plot.

Teen!!?? Really?? At what age are they a man over there?
Folks, this is how they do it--how they down play Islam's command to murder.
How the media tries to present it as youthful folly--nothing more!
We see media-around the world doing this on a daily basis!

Would this piece of shit be called a teen if he'd not been a muzzie and had raped an underage girl?
Hell no!!!
They'd not tried to present it as youthful folly--as the label "teen" was used to try to do.

Any MALE CHILD that is not a man by age 18, has been raised by idiots IMHO.

That most media worldwide consistently does this crap should scare the hell out of all of you people-for it truly shows the power of the great darkness that protects Islam-- that of Lucifer himself ( protecting his cult)..-Tyr

Perianne
09-05-2016, 01:21 PM
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot, with all respect, sir, that article is crap. It had nothing to do with Islam. Everyone knows it is a religion of peace. :)

Noir
09-05-2016, 02:02 PM
You could find a conspiracy in anything regarding Muslims Tyr.
Someone who is eighteen/nineteen is describable as both adults or teens because both are true.

Drummond
09-05-2016, 09:13 PM
You could find a conspiracy in anything regarding Muslims Tyr.
Someone who is eighteen/nineteen is describable as both adults or teens because both are true.

And you, Noir, will do the bog-standard Leftie thing of sanitising Islam and Islamists to the hilt. Tyr understands what Islam is all about ... the horrors, the evil, it's already visited upon our world, and will seek to inflict on it again and again until it's finally defeated.

You, for your part, will happily get extremely inventive in your convolutions in order to be apologists for them. It's What The Left Does.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-05-2016, 10:47 PM
You could find a conspiracy in anything regarding Muslims Tyr.
Someone who is eighteen/nineteen is describable as both adults or teens because both are true.


They wage Jihad, murder around the globe and have their cowardly appeasers around the globe aiding them--= no conspiracy-- instead just reality!
Really?
19 is labeled a teen, ok-- then a 19 year old teen male should be able to have sex with a 13 year old teen girl with no legal punishments -right?
Get back to me on that one will ya???

Logic and common sense defeats liberal ignorance every damn time it is applied..-Tyr

Noir
09-06-2016, 01:29 AM
19 is labeled a teen, ok-- then a 19 year old teen male should be able to have sex with a 13 year old teen girl with no legal punishments -right?

Logic and common sense defeats liberal ignorance every damn time it is applied..-Tyr

Okay, I don't know how you think the law works, but it's not like that. The thought that you considered that a good point to make is hilarious xD

Are we going to have to get out the old dictionary definition to show that a nineTEEN year old is a teenager?

Noir
09-06-2016, 01:33 AM
And you, Noir, will do the bog-standard Leftie thing of sanitising Islam and Islamists to the hilt. Tyr understands what Islam is all about ... the horrors, the evil, it's already visited upon our world, and will seek to inflict on it again and again until it's finally defeated.

You, for your part, will happily get extremely inventive in your convolutions in order to be apologists for them. It's What The Left Does.

Drummond, between what years is someone considered to be a teenager?

please be aware that if your answer includes 'Nineteen' then you're sanitising Islam and Islamists to the hilt...and getting extremely inventive in your convolutions in order to be an apologist for them.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-06-2016, 06:59 AM
Okay, I don't know how you think the law works, but it's not like that. The thought that you considered that a good point to make is hilarious xD

Are we going to have to get out the old dictionary definition to show that a nineTEEN year old is a teenager?

Sorry, that you can not see the deliberate intent in how the headline was misleading .....
19 is a number--that much is true but the perception of titling the article as just a "teen" is deceptive..
IF a nineteen year old male raped a baby girl, would they title it -- "teen" rapes 2 year old baby girl?
No, they'd title it, man rapes two year old baby girl......
That you and lib/dems always seem to see no intent in these clever little appeasing actions points to a much deeper problem of either deliberate defense of such knowing you are aiding or else ignorance on your part IMHO..
NEITHER ONE OF THOSE IS A GOOD THING..
THAT I SEE DEEPER AND CAN REASON WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE MEDIA IS BECAUSE I REFUSE TO WALK THROUGH THE WORLD AS A BLIND DOOFUS.
I educate myself and research the subjects I speak about..
Islam is an evil cult , that teaches murder all opposition. Not only teaches but also demands it of its followers.
You may enjoy your blindness but if something is not done soon, then one day you will see your error when they are about to cut off your head for not bowing down to the slavery and evil of Islam. -Tyr

Noir
09-06-2016, 07:13 AM
It's very clear how educated on this topic when you start making statements like "then a 19 year old teen male should be able to have sex with a 13 year old teen girl with no legal punishments -right?" as an argument against calling a Nineteen year old a teen :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Drummond
09-06-2016, 09:59 AM
It's very clear how educated on this topic when you start making statements like "then a 19 year old teen male should be able to have sex with a 13 year old teen girl with no legal punishments -right?" as an argument against calling a Nineteen year old a teen :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Noir, I've a novel challenge for you. Are you up for it ?

How about ... committing yourself to typing a post where you express, and WITHOUT any qualification inserted, a total and scathing condemnation of what this Islamist did ?

Do you think you can do it ? Or, is the drive to sanitise just too strong to resist ?

Give it a go. You might find the exercise therapeutic, my son ...

Noir
09-06-2016, 10:12 AM
Noir, I've a novel challenge for you. Are you up for it ?

How about ... committing yourself to typing a post where you express, and WITHOUT any qualification inserted, a total and scathing condemnation of what this Islamist did ?

Do you think you can do it ? Or, is the drive to sanitise just too strong to resist ?

Give it a go. You might find the exercise therapeutic, my son ...

While I doubt very much anything I say will be good enough for you - it is without question great news that this wannabe murderer who gave away his brain so he could devote himself to his religion/cult has been stopped and will have many long years in prison to try and find some sense (:

As a reciprocal challenge (and certainly novel for me), would you please define the age between which someone is considered a teenager?

sundaydriver
09-06-2016, 10:34 AM
Teen!!?? Really?? At what age are they a man over there?
Folks, this is how they do it--how they down play Islam's command to murder.
How the media tries to present it as youthful folly--nothing more!
We see media-around the world doing this on a daily basis!

Would this piece of shit be called a teen if he'd not been a muzzie and had raped an underage girl?
Hell no!!!
They'd not tried to present it as youthful folly--as the label "teen" was used to try to do.

Any MALE CHILD that is not a man by age 18, has been raised by idiots IMHO.

That most media worldwide consistently does this crap should scare the hell out of all of you people-for it truly shows the power of the great darkness that protects Islam-- that of Lucifer himself ( protecting his cult)..-Tyr


Sorry, that you can not see the deliberate intent in how the headline was misleading .....
19 is a number--that much is true but the perception of titling the article as just a "teen" is deceptive..
IF a nineteen year old male raped a baby girl, would they title it -- "teen" rapes 2 year old baby girl?
No, they'd title it, man rapes two year old baby girl......
That you and lib/dems always seem to see no intent in these clever little appeasing actions points to a much deeper problem of either deliberate defense of such knowing you are aiding or else ignorance on your part IMHO..
NEITHER ONE OF THOSE IS A GOOD THING..
THAT I SEE DEEPER AND CAN REASON WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE MEDIA IS BECAUSE I REFUSE TO WALK THROUGH THE WORLD AS A BLIND DOOFUS.
I educate myself and research the subjects I speak about..
Islam is an evil cult , that teaches murder all opposition. Not only teaches but also demands it of its followers.
You may enjoy your blindness but if something is not done soon, then one day you will see your error when they are about to cut off your head for not bowing down to the slavery and evil of Islam. -Tyr

A headline describing a nineteen year old as a teenager is the norm rather than a global media conspiracy to protect a certain class of people. Read from today's local paper:

Patron was slashed by machete-wielding teen at Sheetz, cops say, Michael Farber, 19

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lehigh-county/index.ssf/2016/09/sheetz_patron_allgedly_is_slas.html#incart_river_i ndex

See that. No conspiracy, no Muzzie hiding, just describing a perpetrator. Happens everyday all over the world!
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Drummond
09-06-2016, 10:46 AM
While I doubt very much anything I say will be good enough for you - it is without question great news that this wannabe murderer who gave away his brain so he could devote himself to his religion/cult has been stopped and will have many long years in prison to try and find some sense (:

As a reciprocal challenge (and certainly novel for me), would you please define the age between which someone is considered a teenager?

I note that your post is NOT devoid of an attempt at qualification, Noir.

As welcome as your (apparent) opposition to this individual's Islamic barbarity is ... still, you're trying to concentrate on a factor which can be seen by some as an avoidance of full culpability for actions committed. Note the point made in a previous post ... that if the Islamist factor wasn't present, then the likelihood of describing him as adult would've been greater. Minimise the perception of individual culpability and responsibility .. and, what do you have ?

A means, however indirect, of minimising the relevance to ADULT Islamic behaviour ... perhaps ?

19 years old ... makes this individual both a teenager, AND an adult ... as he's over 18. He acted as an adult Islamist. He should be regarded as such.

I'm sure you'd prefer that he wasn't, Noir. I'm correct, aren't I ?

Noir
09-06-2016, 10:52 AM
19 years old ... makes this individual both a teenager, AND an adult

But when i said


Someone who is eighteen/nineteen is describable as both adults or teens because both are true.

I was meet with


bog-standard Leftie thing of sanitising Islam and Islamists to the hilt.

:rolleyes:

Drummond
09-06-2016, 11:07 AM
But when i said


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I was meet with



:rolleyes:

You still want to concentrate on the 'teenager' aspect, though. WHY ?

How is it relevant to what this trash was up to ?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-06-2016, 11:10 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

Age of majority
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The age of majority is the threshold of adulthood as recognized or declared in law. It is the moment when minors cease to be considered children and assume legal control over their persons, actions, and decisions, thus terminating the control and legal responsibilities of their parents or guardian over them. Most countries set majority at 18. The word majority here refers to having greater years and being of full age as opposed to minority, the state of being a minor. The law in a given jurisdiction may not actually use the term "age of majority". The term typically refers to a collection of laws bestowing the status of adulthood. The age of majority does not necessarily correspond to the mental or physical maturity of an individual.

Age of majority should not be confused with the age of sexual consent, marriageable age, school leaving age, drinking age, driving age, voting age, smoking age, etc., which each may be independent of, and sometimes set at a different age from the age of majority.

Although a person may attain the age of majority in a particular jurisdiction, they may still be subject to age-based restrictions regarding matters such as the right to vote or stand for elective office, act as a judge, and many others.

HERE 18 IS SET AS THE AGE OF ADULTHOOD. -TYR

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https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230

More than 800 years after the first recorded age of consent laws, the one constant is the lack of consistency. Laws around the world define the socially appropriate age of consent anywhere from 13 to 18. Some differentiate between heterosexual and homosexual acts while others do not. Some apply to young men as well as young women and others remained focused on the lives and actions of girls. And beyond the legislation lies the world of practice, an even more complex story.
How to Cite This Source

Stephen Robertson, "Age of Consent Laws," in Children and Youth in History, Item #230, https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230 (accessed September 6, 2016).

^^^&& YEP, LETS SCOFF AT 800 YEARS OF PRECEDENCE, THAT CLEARLY PUTS BY A VAST MAJORITY THE AGE OF 18 AS BEING THE THRESHOLD FOR BEING CLASSED AS AN ADULT.---Tyr

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http://biblicalmanhood.blogspot.com/2009/09/separating-men-from-boys.html

Wednesday, September 23, 2009
Separating the Men from the Boys
In response to my post about "Realmannspracht," a reader brought up a concern about how we, as a society, can mark the transition from boyhood to manhood. In the past, society had various rites by which males moved from being a child to being an adult. However, we need to realize that the transition is not really dictated by society, but by biology. Manhood is still something God, not culture, gives to men. I think we've fooled our ourselves into believing otherwise, but inasmuch as we have done so, it has been to the detriment of boys, men, and our culture as a whole.

Let's look what the Apostle Paul said:

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. (1 Corinthians 13:11, NASB)

Note the progression: (1) A child acting like a child, (2) becoming a man, and then (3) putting away childish things. Step 3 does not come before Step 2.

We like to say, "Act your age." Why do we do this? Because we have subconsciously regarded biological age as the determining factor of someone's development. You don't expect someone who indeed a boy to act like a man. Likewise, you don't expect someone who is indeed a man to act like a boy. Life is indeed a series of initiations for men. They are not initiations from boyhood to manhood, but initiations from one social set of expectations to another. Some rites are indeed optional, like marriage or having children.

The cultures of the past understood this. They may have said, "You don't become a man until you do (xyz)" but their actions pointed towards a different, far deeper reality. Think about the Bar Mitzvah. People don't have the ceremony for 26-year-old men with jobs, houses, spouses, and children. They don't say to these men, "Ok, now you're a man." No, the Bar Mitzvah happens at a very young age. While the Bar Mitzvah may not be a initiation in manhood, per se, the Talmud is clear that boys become men around the time of puberty.

So, we need to remind teenagers of a sobering reality. They are no longer boys and girls. They are men and women. They are at an age of life when their focus should be on taking on the responsibilities of adulthood. What I am saying is shocking to a culture that clings tightly to extended adolescence, the banalities of youth culture, and the choice of older people to refuse to act their age ("60 is the new 40" or whatever). And yet, what I am saying has support from other conservatives.

Teenagers need to realize that just because they are adults, they do not get the privileges of adulthood until they earn them by acting responsibly. I didn't get to use a car for myself until I learned to drive. I didn't get to come and go as I pleased from my home until I moved out, got a real job and payed my own rent at age 24. The expectation was there that I needed to move towards these things. If I stalled anywhere along the way, I got dressed down.

Teenagers are not ready for sex until they are ready for marriage. If they are ready at age 18 like their great-grandparents, more power to them. If they have to wait till their forties to get ready for marriage, so be it. Marriage and sex are the a privileges of adulthood, not the things that make you an adult.

Someone will retort that a 16-year-old "boy" [sic] is not as mature as a 26-year-old man. True, but a 26-year-old man is usually not as mature as a 46-year-old man. Just because a male teenager doesn't have all his ducks in a row doesn't mean he is not a man. In fact, having all one's ducks in a row usually takes a lifetime. The 16-year-old man just happens to be near the beginning of the journey unlike some of us. Remember, the State may say one is a man at 18, then bump the age up to 21, then to 25, etc. But what the State does is irrelevant to nature. It may prohibit me from doing things until I reach a certain age, but it can't deny that I am a man when indeed I am a man.

What have we learned? There is no real initiation into adulthood, per se. You are an adult when your body says so, but you don't get the perks and privileges that adults enjoy until you earn them. The last point goes for any age.

Now, a reader said something about people regarding me as a "boy" when they denied I was a "man." Well, if I was indeed a boy, then why the contempt? If I was indeed a boy, then I was acting according to the stage of my physiological development. However, if I was actually a man, then the people calling me a "boy" were most likely trying to insult me and trying to play upon any insecurities society attempts to inculcate into men about their masculinity.

Inasmuch as people uphold the age-old lie that manhood, unlike womanhood, is something that can be granted or denied by culture, then I must regard any charge they make against my manhood as being in earnest. After all, such people clearly think they can invalidate my manhood through opprobrium and censure. They would, however, be guilty of slandering me, an action which is regarded as sinful by the Word of God (1 Corinthians 6:10). If God and nature says I am a man, then who are you to bear false witness? If we want men, but especially young men, to be mature, then let's do it by speaking according to the truth, not by resorting to playground insults and acting like children ourselves.

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http://statelaws.findlaw.com/dc-law/district-of-columbia-legal-ages-laws.html

District of Columbia Legal Ages Laws

When does a child become an adult? While you might get a different answer depending on who you ask, the law is very clear. Forty-seven states and the District of Columbia set the age of majority at eighteen years of age. Thatís when a minor becomes an adult and assumes the full rights available to them under the law.

It's important to understand the significance of becoming an adult, however. While restrictions on minors' ability to gamble, buy cigarettes, and manage their own property or money might seem burdensome, these restrictions are designed to protect minors. Those protections and benefits cease on becoming an adult. An eighteen year old is bound to honor contracts entered into and can be charged with crimes as an adult.

Most legal obligations on parents (such as paying child support) cease on a child reaching eighteen years of age too. Hereís quick summary of legal age laws in the District of Columbia and some specific notes on what minors canít do without a parent or guardian.

D.C. Legal Ages Laws

The age of majority in the District of Columbia is eighteen years. Attaining adulthood removes many of the age restrictions in place under D.C. law. Minors need a representative to file a lawsuit, cannot gamble, face restrictions on accessing winnings from a lottery prize, cannot marry without parental consent, and cannot purchase or possess cigarettes or tobacco products. All of these disappear on turning eighteen. Thereís still the restriction on buying alcohol, however, which is twenty-one in the District.

Other legal obligations tied to a childís minority are altered as well. Minors who possess legal claims generally have additional time to file a lawsuit. Once they turn eighteen, the statute of limitations on any legal claim may start to run. And while holding minors to contracts can prove difficult, adults can be held to their contracts and obligations no matter how bad a deal it turned out to be.

The law also restricts what kind of jobs and what kind of hours minors can work. These disappear at the age of eighteen too, even if you're still in school. For parents, child support obligations generally cease once a child reaches the age of majority. Reaching adulthood can serve as a trigger for other rights and obligations as well.



BY PRECEDENCE AND MAJORITY OPINION/LEGAL STANDING, ON THE MATTER THE CORRECT WORD USED --should have been --"man"---...

Yet the naysayers will cry the number 19 -says teen--while knowing that apply that logic as if the number was 13 is invalid and ridiculous!
That they do this to in a roundabout way defend Islam says it all.
FFing APPEASERS , THAT WILL USE ANY STRETCH TO TRY TO DEFEND ISLAM.

MY POINT WAS THAT A 19 YEAR OLD MAN IS CONSIDERED A MAN WHERE A UNDERAGE GIRL IS CONCERNED AND WOULD BE CALLED A MAN BY MEDIA COVERING SUCH A STORY--BUT HERE WE HAD THE TERM -TEEN- USED!
AND I CORRECTLY NOTED IT WAS A STANDARD USED(BY MEDIA) TO TRY TO NEGATE THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE CHARGE IN ORDER TRY TO PROTECT ISLAM...
As usual, appeasers will come out to cry foul but none of them would call a 19 year old man having sex with their underage child --a teenager..
Nor would they say--"be my guest young male child--have a go with her".
Hypocrisy here by the usual suspects quite evident to see and its almost always the case every time I correctly point out anything even remotely negative about the worldwide murdering, insane scourge called Islam..
They just can not help but expose themselves. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:--Tyr

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-06-2016, 11:14 AM
You still want to concentrate on the 'teenager' aspect, though. WHY ?

How is it relevant to what this trash was up to ?

See my recent post--the answer as to why-- is there. ----Tyr

Noir
09-06-2016, 11:14 AM
You still want to concentrate on the 'teenager' aspect, though. WHY ?

How is it relevant to what this trash was up to ?

Did you read Tyrs Opening post? Its *all* about the 'teenager' aspect.
Maybe you should ask him how its relevant, because he made his topic about it from literally the first word typed.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-06-2016, 11:21 AM
Did you read Tyrs Opening post? Its *all* about the 'teenager' aspect.
Maybe you should ask him how its relevant, because he made his topic about it from literally the first word typed.

WAY TO DODGE!!
I HAVE POINTED OUT HOW IT IS RELEVANT AND MY REASONING ..
YOU HAVE REFUTED NOTHING BUT HAVE SHOWN A PROCLIVITY TO DEFEND (IN THIS CASE) ISLAM..
And do so by not admitting that at 19--this male is a man..
I pointed out how on other crimes his being 19 would not be used in the headline but may be used within the article itself as a fact .
As it was used-obviously the media wanted that to represent a much younger teen.
Especially to readers (likely a majority) that just read the headline only!!!
And that is a tactic used to protect Islam, used too damn often.. --Tyr

Perianne
09-06-2016, 11:34 AM
WAY TO DODGE!!
I HAVE POINTED OUT HOW IT IS RELEVANT AND MY REASONING ..
YOU HAVE REFUTED NOTHING BUT HAVE SHOWN A PROCLIVITY TO DEFEND (IN THIS CASE) ISLAM..
And do so by not admitting that at 19--this male is a man..
I pointed out how on other crimes his being 19 would not be used in the headline but may be used within the article itself as a fact .
As it was used-obviously the media wanted that to represent a much younger teen.
Especially to readers (likely a majority) that just read the headline only!!!
And that is a tactic used to protect Islam, used too damn often.. --Tyr

I must admit I had never thought of it that way. But now that you point it out, it makes sense.

I suspect there is much I could learn from you (and Drummond).

Noir
09-06-2016, 11:45 AM
WAY TO DODGE!!

Dodge what? Drummond was asking why I keep going on about the 'teenage aspect' in a thread that *you* made about the 'teenage aspect'

Drummond
09-06-2016, 12:07 PM
Dodge what? Drummond was asking why I keep going on about the 'teenage aspect' in a thread that *you* made about the 'teenage aspect'

Why DO you keep going on about it ? Because .... YOU DO ...

I think Tyr's done a great job of covering this. So much so that you probably don't even need to answer ...

Noir
09-06-2016, 12:18 PM
Why DO you keep going on about it ? Because .... YOU DO ...

I think Tyr's done a great job of covering this. So much so that you probably don't even need to answer ...

...because thats the topic that this thread was made to discuss.