Chelsea Clinton: Marijuana Can Kill

[jimnyc]

Marijuana, as Gary Johnson will tell you, has never killed a person in recorded history. Another 'bright' Clinton playing games and lying to folks.

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Chelsea Clinton: Marijuana Can Kill

In a campaign appearance Saturday in Youngstown, Ohio Chelsea Clinton suggested that marijuana has the ability to kill.

During her speech, Clinton said, “We also have anecdotal now from Colorado, where some of the people who were taking marijuana for those purposes, the coroner believed after they died that there were drug interactions with other things they were taking.”

One of the most progressive rulings in the past ten years has been the legalization of marijuana that is now sweeping the nation. What started in states like Colorado, Washington, and Oregon, and the District of Columbia has now exploded across the country. Nine states will decide in November if they will join the growing list of states that have legalized marijuana.

Colorado, in particular, has seen many benefits since the legalization of marijuana. According to the Boston Globe, “Legalization has ushered in thousands of new jobs in the burgeoning industry, brought $135 million into state coffers last year, and ended the prohibition of a widely used substance.”

The state has also seen a drop in highway deaths as well as a drop in overdose death of harder illegal drugs such as heroin. The DEA acknowledges that there has never been a reported death from an overdose of marijuana. According to the Washington Post, “On its own, marijuana is not known to have any fatal dosage level. The DEA itself acknowledges that nobody has ever died from marijuana alone.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/29/chelsea-clinton-suggested-that-marijuana-has-the-ability-to-kill/

[Drummond]

Marijuana, as Gary Johnson will tell you, has never killed a person in recorded history. Another 'bright' Clinton playing games and lying to folks.

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Chelsea Clinton: Marijuana Can Kill

In a campaign appearance Saturday in Youngstown, Ohio Chelsea Clinton suggested that marijuana has the ability to kill.

During her speech, Clinton said, “We also have anecdotal now from Colorado, where some of the people who were taking marijuana for those purposes, the coroner believed after they died that there were drug interactions with other things they were taking.”

One of the most progressive rulings in the past ten years has been the legalization of marijuana that is now sweeping the nation. What started in states like Colorado, Washington, and Oregon, and the District of Columbia has now exploded across the country. Nine states will decide in November if they will join the growing list of states that have legalized marijuana.

Colorado, in particular, has seen many benefits since the legalization of marijuana. According to the Boston Globe, “Legalization has ushered in thousands of new jobs in the burgeoning industry, brought $135 million into state coffers last year, and ended the prohibition of a widely used substance.”

The state has also seen a drop in highway deaths as well as a drop in overdose death of harder illegal drugs such as heroin. The DEA acknowledges that there has never been a reported death from an overdose of marijuana. According to the Washington Post, “On its own, marijuana is not known to have any fatal dosage level. The DEA itself acknowledges that nobody has ever died from marijuana alone.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/29/chelsea-clinton-suggested-that-marijuana-has-the-ability-to-kill/

Far be it for me to seek to defend a Clinton ! Even so ... this has been a talking-point, at least, on my side of the Pond.

See this, from 2014 ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2568326/Smoking-cannabis-CAN-kill-German-researchers-identify-two-men-died-purely-result-using-drug.html


It is possible to die as a direct result of smoking cannabis, new research shows.German scientists have identified two people who died purely as a result of smoking the drug.

It was previously known that using marijuana could be fatal if it was used in conjunction with other drugs – such as by triggering heart conditions or by causing cancer.

However, whether the drug could kill unaided had remained unclear, New Scientist reports.

Now, scientists at the University Hospital Düsseldorf in Germany have carried out the first full post mortem examinations on people who have died after using the drug.

The team, led by Dr Benno Hartung, carried out 15 examinations. They performed tests including toxicology tests and genetic tests to rule out any other causes of death. They discovered that the deaths of two of the patients could not be put down to anything other than marijuana use.

Both of these people were men who had died after their hearts started beating either too fast or too slowly.

The researchers believe that this change in heart rhythm – called arrhythmia - was caused by cannabis. The reason they came to this conclusion was that both had smoked the drug within a few hours of their death and neither had any history of heart problems.

While the German researchers now believe they have proved that cannabis can kill, it remains unclear how it can trigger heart problems.

Dr Hartung believes cannabis could trigger diseases that increase the risk of heart conditions.

Despite the findings, some people believe the risk of death is not the most significant risk associated with use of the drug. David Raynes from the UK National Drug Prevention Alliance told New Scientist: ‘These deaths are rare and will remain rare. The real risks are from long-term effects on the young brain.’

[revelarts]

Seems Marijuana has been getting a free pass and big downplay of it's potential dangers for sometime.
One of the sites i go to regularly has put together a whole page on the reseach



Research Showing the Harmful Effects of Marijuana Use

2016 study: The UK's Daily Mail headlines their article on a paper (http://cpx.sagepub.com/content/early/2016/03/16/2167702616630958.abstract) in the journal Clinical Psychological Science, "The more cannabis you smoke, the more likely you are to be a loser (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520257/The-cannabis-smoke-likely-loser-finds-international-study.html#ixzz44tg6bxdt)"
2016 study: New research (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0027510716300574) explains how pot mutates your DNA (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3607444/Smoking-cannabis-ALTERS-DNA-causing-mutations-trigger-illness-including-cancer.html) and why smoking it leads to disease including cancer, all validating a 2009 study (http://kgov.com/negative-effects-of-marijuana-pot-researchers-shows-cannabis-is-harmful#research-2009)
2015 study: Strong pot yields hallucination, paranoia & schizophrenia (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11414605/Super-strong-cannabis-responsible-for-quarter-of-new-psychosis-cases.html) in a nearly a quarter (24%) of those newly diagnosed (http://www.thelancet.com/pb/assets/raw/Lancet/pdfs/14TLP0454_Di%20Forti.pdf), per Lancet Psychiatry
2015 study: at Nature.com, current and former pot users perceive a false reality (http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp201536a.html); impaired hippocampus harms memory used "to solve common problems and to sustain our relationships (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3051326/Marijuana-users-false-memories-Brain-scans-reveal-cannabis-smokers-live-reality.html)"
2015 study: 100 varieties of pot appear to "damage nerve fibres (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/nov/27/smoking-high-strength-cannabis-skunk-may-damage-nerves-brain) that handle the flow of messages across the two halves of the brain" per a study in Psychological Medicine
2015 study: JAMA Psychiatry reports that over the last decade, pot use in the U.S. more than doubled to nearly 10%, or 22 million people, with the huge study finding obvious signs of dysfunction from marijuana use in more than 7 million people (http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleID=2464591)
2015 study: Drug and Alcohol journal: pot impairs driving (http://www.drugandalcoholdependence.com/article/S0376-8716(15)00314-2/abstract#) just like alcohol
2015 study: Pot harms brain (http://ciampifamilypractice.com/2015/06/12/cannabis-harms-brain-imaging-shows/) imaging shows regarding learning and memory, presented at the Society of Nuclear Medicine and Molecular Imaging Annual Meeting
2014 study: in PNAS, pot users have shrunken brains (http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/11/05/1415297111) and lower IQ (http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-regular-marijuana-shrinks-brain-20141110-story.html)
2014 study: 20 years of research (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783111/The-terrible-truth-cannabis-Expert-s-devastating-20-year-study-finally-demolishes-claims-smoking-pot-harmless.html) reported on by WHO advisor Prof. Wayne Hall shows pot doubles mental impairment (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.12703/full), psychosis; increases drop out, tobacco smoking, car crash, and rates of other illicit drug use.
2014 study: large Lancet study (http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366%2814%2970307-4/abstract) shows high schoolers 63% less likely to graduate, 8-fold increased odds of using other illegal drugs, and 7-fold increased likelihood of attempted suicide (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/09/study-teens-who-smoke-weed-daily-are-60-less-likely-to-complete-high-school-than-those-who-never-use/)
2012 study: Landmark study in PNAS: pot permanently lowers IQ (http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/22/1206820109.abstract?sid=da120000-60e6-464c-8a80-5cc4de3c20f6)
2012 study: Netherlands study of 2,000 teens show pot/psychosis (http://www.ibtimes.com/pot-psychosis-link-between-marijuana-use-psychotic-symptoms-found-teens-dutch-study-finds-970684) link
2010 study: Netherlands study shows marijuana may stunt fetal growth (http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/01/22/us-pot-pregnancy-idUSTRE60L55L20100122)
2009 study: American Chemical Society reports, marijuana damages DNA (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090615095940.htm) and may cause cancer
2009 study: Pot during pregnancy predicts long-lasting neurobehavioural problems (http://www.springerlink.com/content/tp27437401871575/) for the child
2008 study: Marijuana smoker faces rapid lung destruction (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080123104017.htm), 20 years ahead of tobacco smokers
2007 study: New Zealand study of impact on lungs from one joint (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070731085550.htm) equaling three to five cigarettes
2007 study: Canadian study shows pot smoke contains higher levels (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071217110328.htm) of various toxins than tobacco smoke
2007 study: Harvard finds that marijuana component opens the door for cancer virus (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070801112156.htm) for Kaposi's Sarcoma
2006 study: The journal Neurology reports (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16534113) that marijuana causes learning and memory impairments (http://www.livescience.com/630-smoke-marijuana-toasts-memory.html)
2005 study: New Zealand study reports habitual marijuana use strongly associated with car crash injury (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15847617)
2005 study: French National Institute for Transport and Safety Research shows pot doubling fatal crashes (http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/pot_driving.htm)
2004 study: Hungarian Neuropsychopharmacologia journal reports schizoid psychosis (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15787208/) from smoking pot
1989 study: In the U.S., from back when it was weaker, pot associated with impaired fetal growth (http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198903233201203)
Drugs.com: nursing mom smoking pot passes THC, etc. to her child (http://www.drugs.com/hashish.html); can harm baby's motor development

[jimnyc]

Far be it for me to seek to defend a Clinton ! Even so ... this has been a talking-point, at least, on my side of the Pond.

See this, from 2014 ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2568326/Smoking-cannabis-CAN-kill-German-researchers-identify-two-men-died-purely-result-using-drug.html

I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a single person dying "decisively" from smoking marijuana. Perhaps one can say in conjunction, I can see that. But in that respect, folks have died from cell phones - even if indirectly because they were driving and took their eyes off the road. I think folks can die from marijuana in similar ways, driving while stoned and such. Even the stuff you point out is suspect, and I guess in a different stage of trying to prove if that caused it in any way or not. But think about it for a minute - and I am NOT supporting folks smoking marijuana - but it's a drug that SO SO many smoke, pretty much since the beginning of time, and we're still at a stage of trying to see if it ever caused a death or not. Most doctors and scientists will tell you "no", that it never has. And yet, many will state factually, that it does have ways of helping, even if not in the ways that some claim. I don't think it's some miraculous drug, but I do think it can help in various ways.

It's a weird subject. Because in reality no one can prove it's really harmful in such a way that it's ever killed anyone, and yet it's considered a worse 'drug' according to the DEA, than many drugs that have killed many.

[Drummond]

The only safe path - even if this seems extreme to some - is to abstain from drug use altogether (i.e non-prescription drugs; taken for so-called 'recreational' use). I've a funny feeling that many 'soft' drugs may have harmful effects not yet understood, or, may trigger conditions which lead to aggravations of other diseases - be it an interaction with other substances, or the exaggerated effect of more normally harmless ailments (e.g a 'bit' of high blood pressure, caused to greatly increase by a 'harmless' soft drug).

I understand that Libertarians have, as a core 'standard', wholesale decriminalisations of drugs ? A good reason to shun their brand of politics all by itself, I'd have thought.

[jimnyc]

Rev - I'm going to go through as many as I can on your list. But the first one doesn't come off quite scientific

"The more cannabis you smoke, the more likely you are to be a loser", even if not written as it sounds. :) I know there are other harmful effects of course - but do you know if any of those articles speak of "death" and whether or not they feel marijuana has caused any?

[Drummond]

I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a single person dying "decisively" from smoking marijuana. Perhaps one can say in conjunction, I can see that. But in that respect, folks have died from cell phones - even if indirectly because they were driving and took their eyes off the road. I think folks can die from marijuana in similar ways, driving while stoned and such. Even the stuff you point out is suspect, and I guess in a different stage of trying to prove if that caused it in any way or not. But think about it for a minute - and I am NOT supporting folks smoking marijuana - but it's a drug that SO SO many smoke, pretty much since the beginning of time, and we're still at a stage of trying to see if it ever caused a death or not. Most doctors and scientists will tell you "no", that it never has. And yet, many will state factually, that it does have ways of helping, even if not in the ways that some claim. I don't think it's some miraculous drug, but I do think it can help in various ways.

It's a weird subject. Because in reality no one can prove it's really harmful in such a way that it's ever killed anyone, and yet it's considered a worse 'drug' according to the DEA, than many drugs that have killed many.

Perhaps it's that very widespread prevalence that gets in the way of more objective study ?

I happen to believe the report I've posted a link to. I am, personally, a very strong 'anti-drug' advocate. Drugs you don't need to stay healthy, shouldn't be taken, and if you do, then you knowingly spin a roulette wheel of chance with your health. End of story - surely.

[jimnyc]

Perhaps it's that very widespread prevalence that gets in the way of more objective study ?

I happen to believe the report I've posted a link to. I am, personally, a very strong 'anti-drug' advocate. Drugs you don't need to stay healthy, shouldn't be taken, and if you do, then you knowingly spin a roulette wheel of chance with your health. End of story - surely.

I agree with you, and that's coming from someone who HAS smoked a shitload of marijuana. Not proud, just stating where I'm coming from. It never killed me or any of the crazy things, but of course it DOES have it's negative effects, no doubt at all. But what I have learned - it's not as bad for you as smoking cigarettes. It's not as bad for you as being a daily drinker. <---- you'd be best off to simply avoid all 3!