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red states rule
07-27-2007, 04:43 AM
Once again showing why he is not ready for prime time, Sen Obama blew it in the Dems High School style debate

Yes, sitting down with dictators and talking to them is a good thing. They will change their ways and no longer be a dictator



Strike Two for Obama
By Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON -- For Barack Obama, it was strike two. And this one was a right-down-the-middle question from a YouTuber in Monday night's South Carolina debate: "Would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea?"

"I would," responded Obama.

His explanation dug him even deeper: "The notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous."

From The Nation's David Corn to super-blogger Mickey Kaus, a near audible gasp. For Hillary Clinton, next in line at the debate, an unmissable opportunity. She pounced: "I will not promise to meet with the leaders of these countries during my first year." And she then proceeded to give the reasons any graduate student could tick off: You don't want to be used for their propaganda. You need to know their intentions. Such meetings can make the situation worse.

Just to make sure no one missed how the grizzled veteran showed up the clueless rookie, the next day Clinton told the Quad-City Times of Davenport, Iowa, that Obama's comment "was irresponsible and frankly naive."

To be on the same stage as the leader of the world's greatest power is of course a prize. That is why the Chinese deemed it a slap in the face that President Bush last year denied President Hu Jintao the full state-visit treatment. The presence of an American president is a valued good to be rationed -- and granted only in return for important considerations.

Moreover, summits can also be traps if they're not wired in advance for success, such as Nixon's trip to China, for which Henry Kissinger had already largely hammered out the famous Shanghai communique. You don't go hoping for the best, as Hillary's husband learned at the 2000 Camp David summit, when Yasser Arafat's refusal of Israel's peace offer brought Arafat worldwide opprobrium -- from which he sought (successfully, as it turned out) to escape by launching the second intifada. Such can be the consequences of ill-prepared summits.

Obama may not have known he made an error, but his staff sure did. In the post-debate spin room, his closest adviser, David Axelrod, was already backpedaling, pretending that Obama had been talking about diplomacy and not summitry with rogue state leaders.

Obama enthusiasts might want to write this off as a solitary slip. Except that this was the second time. The first occurred in another unscripted moment. During the April 26 South Carolina candidates' debate, Brian Williams asked what kind of change in the U.S. military posture abroad Obama would order in response to a hypothetical al-Qaeda strike on two American cities.

Obama's answer: "Well, the first thing we would have to do is make sure that we've got an effective emergency response -- something that this administration failed to do when we had a hurricane in New Orleans."

Asked to be commander in chief, Obama could only play first-responder in chief. Caught off guard, and without his advisers, he simply slipped into two automatic talking points: emergency response and its corollary -- the obligatory Katrina Bush-bash.

When the same question came to Hillary, she again pounced: "I think a president must move as swiftly as is prudent to retaliate." Retaliatory attack did not come up in Obama's 200-word meander into multilateralism and intelligence gathering.

These gaffes lead to one of two conclusions: (1) Obama is inexplicably unable to think on his feet while standing on South Carolina soil, or (2) Obama is not ready to be a wartime president.

for the complete article

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/07/strike_two_for_obama.html

red states rule
07-27-2007, 04:45 AM
Sally Quinn: 'If You Talk to Dictators You Can Immediately Get Them on Your Side'
By Mark Finkelstein | July 26, 2007 - 18:50 ET
The current political buzzword is "naive." That's of course what Hillary called Obama, and he has responded in kind. But when it comes to being an ingenue, Obama has a long way to go to top Sally Quinn, grande dame of the DC set and wife of former WaPo editor Ben Bradlee. Here's what she said on this afternoon's "Hardball."


SALLY QUINN: The fact is that the new word these days is 'dialogue.' [Ed.: New? Well shut Socrates mouth!] And so many of these dictators, quote, dictators [Ed.: we wouldn't want to offend Assad or Kim Jong Il] are really sort of shallow people who are looking for respect, and if you talk to them, you can immediately sort of get them down and get them on your side.

Someone give Mahmoud a hug. And as for you, Kim Jong, you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you!

Earlier in the show, host Chris Matthews suggested that if anyone was naive, it was Hillary herself. Here's how he put it to senior Hillary advisor Howard Wolfson.

"HARDBALL" HOST CHRIS MATTHEWS: Hillary Clinton, in that debate, and I want to get the word right, didn't she say Obama was naive on foreign policy?

HILLARY ADVISOR HOWARD WOLFSON: She didn't say that in the debate, she said that after the debate.

MATTHEWS: How would you describe her position in voting to authorize the war in Iraq, believing that we weren't going to war, that Bush really didn't intend to go to war? Was that naive? . . . Wouldn't you call that naive to believe that we weren't going to war when everybody thought we were going to war? I thought we were going to war . . . Anybody that didn't think we were going to war in the months leading up to the war in Iraq wasn't paying attention.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/07/26/sally-quinn-if-you-talk-dictators-you-can-immediately-get-them-you

red states rule
08-02-2007, 06:56 AM
Now the liberal media is starting to defend Obama. They would fell like racists if they didn't

Here is the wit and wisdom from liberal moonbat helen Thomas

Aug. 1, 2007, 11:01PM
Obama has it right: Why not talk to adversaries?


By HELEN THOMAS
Hearst Newspapers

During the Cold War, President Dwight D. Eisenhower often said that he would go anywhere, any time, any place in pursuit of peace.

Ike promoted co-existence with the former Soviet Union and invited Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev to visit the United States.

Conservative Republicans were unhappy when President Richard M. Nixon made his surprise journey to hard-line communist China in 1972. But the move was mostly applauded as a diplomatic breakthrough, leading to better relations between the two nations.

The American people rejoiced at those peacemaking gestures and didn't think that Eisenhower — a World War II hero— was naive to talk to the Soviets with the goal of easing tensions between the two super powers, particularly since each had doomsday nuclear arsenals.

There were some hints and hopes — among liberals at least — that President Bill Clinton would open a dialogue with Cuba during his years in the White House. But he was not willing to take the risk and pay the political price — especially in Florida, traditional hotbed of anti-Castro sentiment.

So it is disturbing for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., to ridicule Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. — her main rival for the Democratic presidential nomination— for saying he would be willing to meet with the reviled leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria and North Korea, if he's elected president.

And why not? What's wrong with diplomacy?

It may shock Clinton but we often deal with dictators and others who espouse policies that are distinctly at odds with U.S. goals.

Clinton is wrong and Obama is right. Both should be emphasizing the need for a more peaceful world and an end to the daily slaughter in Iraq that has shamed this country's world image. The first order of business for the new president in 2009 should be to repair the damage inflicted by President Bush's disastrous unilateralism.

The verbal sparring between the two Democratic senators over foreign policy has been reduced to name calling. Clinton tagged Obama's statement that he would be willing to talk to shunned leaders after he has won the White House as "irresponsible and frankly naive."

She was also quoted as saying: "I will not promise to meet with the leaders of these countries during my first year."

Her explanation: "You don't want to be used for their propaganda. You need to know their intentions. Such meetings can make the situation worse."

Furthermore, Clinton said she did not want "to see the power and prestige of the United States president put at risk by rushing into meetings" with Castro, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and others.

Obama dubbed Clinton as "Bush-Cheney lite," which prompted the New York senator to fire back: "What has happened to the politics of hope"— a jab at Obama's campaign theme.

If it is any comfort to her, Clinton has been praised for her stand by the neocons and conservative columnists who have been upset lately about Bush's decision to open a dialogue with Iran and to hold nuclear talks with North Korea.

Better late than never. Such diplomatic spadework led to a closer relationship with Libya after years of hostility.

The talks with North Korea could have been held at the start of the Bush administration but — guided by his neocon advisers — Bush slammed the door at the time on any rapprochement with Pyongyang.

Now it seems the Iraq debacle has given Bush a new awakening to the limitations of power and the possibilities of diplomacy.

As for being naive, surely Clinton must have some regrets for her vote in 2002 to give the president carte blanche to invade Iraq, a sovereign country that did not attack us. She is trying to edge away from that mistake but still refuses to say that her vote was wrong.

Clinton claims that she and others were deceived by the administration's claims against Saddam Hussein, but 23 other senators voted "no" against the war. So who was naive?

Although he was not in the Senate at the time the vote was taken, Obama said he had opposed going to war with Iraq.

Shortly after the president declared "mission accomplished" in 2003, Clinton visited Iraq with Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del. Both returned home, urging that more troops be sent to Baghdad.

Whoever wins the presidency next will have to put peace at the top of the agenda — and promise to explore the chance of better relations with any opposition early on.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/5019784.html