Is this the least religious presidential election ever?

[Noir]

While my knowledge of the elections themselves are mostly limited to those in my lifetime, I'd find it hard to believe they got any less religious going back...

Few mentions of gods, little input from the churches/pastors etc, religion only really being used in negative attacsk ('she secretly hates Catholics' 'he's an adulterer' etc) is this the least religious presidential race ever? And if so, why does the seem to be getting so little attention?

[gabosaurus]

Good points. I don't believe either candidate takes anyone's religious faith seriously.

[Elessar]

While my knowledge of the elections themselves are mostly limited to those in my lifetime, I'd find it hard to believe they got any less religious going back...

Few mentions of gods, little input from the churches/pastors etc, religion only really being used in negative attacsk ('she secretly hates Catholics' 'he's an adulterer' etc) is this the least religious presidential race ever? And if so, why does the seem to be getting so little attention?


Good points. I don't believe either candidate takes anyone's religious faith seriously.

I really do not believe any of those points have been brought out. If so, they've been
cast aside for more 'dynamic' or 'sensational' topics.

Yet it is a good question to pose Noir.

[aboutime]

Good points. I don't believe either candidate takes anyone's religious faith seriously.


gabby. ANOTHER OF YOUR HYPOCRITICAL POSTS HERE. If either of the candidates dared to speak about anybody's religion...YOU'D probably be the first to come forward with that Tired, Old, False claim about 'The Separation of Church & State!' Being against the constitution. When, In fact....the constitution DOES NOT MENTION IT!

Your hypocrisy is laughable. And by the way. Who are you to make such a statement, or to judge either candidate's opinion about someone's faith????

Care to explain casting the FIRST STONE??

[CSM]

I don't know about "least religious" but it sure as hell is the least moral and least ethical that I can recall. I would think the lack of religion in these circumstances would make noir very happy. Now if only the candidates would make eating meat an issue!

[revelarts]

1st 4 minutes is Trump talking about his faith. (the rest is commentary )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9QGI8yzKc

Hillary talking about her faith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE4akVdEQ5U


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujH537j7fDw

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7MjmwJUxZg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7MjmwJUxZg


Max Lucado doesn't typically comment on politics, but the rise of Donald Trump forced the famed author and pastor to pen a post condemning the candidate. "I don't know Mr. Trump. But I've been chagrined at his antics. He ridiculed a war hero. He made mockery of a reporter's menstrual cycle. He made fun of a disabled reporter. He referred to the former first lady, Barbara Bush, as 'mommy,' and belittled Jeb Bush for bringing her on the campaign trail. He routinely calls people 'stupid,' 'loser' and 'dummy.' These were not off-line, backstage, overheard, not-to-be-repeated comments. They were publicly and intentionally tweeted, recorded and presented," Lucado wrote in a blog post. (https://maxlucado.com/decency-for-president/)
Despite Trump's comments, he "wins the hearts of evangelical voters." (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/donald-trump-despite-impieties-wins-hearts-of-evangelical-voters.html)
Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/28/in-major-blow-to-ted-cruz-sen-jeff-sessions-of-alabama-endorses-donald-trump-for-gop-nomination/) endorsed the real estate mogul and businessman, becoming Trump's first official Senate endorsement.
Former opposition Chris Christie (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/29/us/politics/chris-christie-donald-trump.html) even gave his stamp of approval to the man who says he could shoot someone, and people would still love him. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/opinions/trump-shoot-somebody-cult-cupp/)
For Lucado, though, the man who is on track to win the nomination, if not the election, is a far cry from "Decent."
"Such insensitivities wouldn't even be acceptable even for a middle school student body election. But for the Oval Office? And to do so while brandishing a Bible and boasting of his Christian faith? I'm bewildered, both by his behavior and the public's support of it," Lucado writes.
"The stock explanation for his success is this: He has tapped into the anger of the American people. As one man said, 'We are voting with our middle finger.' Sounds more like a comment for a gang-fight than a presidential election. Anger-fueled reactions have caused trouble ever since Cain was angry at Abel."
Lucado says he is endorsing Decency for president, in the same vein evangelist Franklin Graham endorses prayer (http://www.charismanews.com/us/53876-guess-who-franklin-graham-is-endorsing-for-president). http://cdn.charismanews.com/plugins/content/cm_endofarticlemessages/torch1.png...
http://www.charismanews.com/us/55498-


And It's plain to see for everyone at this point that Hillary is hardcore crook and a professional Liar who doesn't have any moral values let alone "christian" values in mind.

So I know several Christian people who are NOT VOTING at all.
I'm voting 3rd party ... again.

[gabosaurus]

I don't think Hillary or Trump have anything to do with Christianity.

[Abbey Marie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7MjmwJUxZg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7MjmwJUxZg


http://www.charismanews.com/us/55498-


And It's plain to see for everyone at this point that Hillary is hardcore crook and a professional Liar who doesn't have any moral values let alone "christian" values in mind.

So I know several Christian people who are NOT VOTING at all.
I'm voting 3rd party ... again.

For ol Gary?

Gary Johnson's Sermon on the Mount: "Blessed are the tokers. For they shall inhale the Earth"

Gary Johnson's Miracle of the Loaves and the Cheetos?

;)

Face it, Rev. Christians are not going to find an ideal candidate. Personally, I'll settle for one who doesn't believe in murdering babies and doesn't sell us out to the highest bidder.

[gabosaurus]

I am very disappointed with Franklin Graham. He definitely does not show the wisdom and benevolence of his father.

[Abbey Marie]

While my knowledge of the elections themselves are mostly limited to those in my lifetime, I'd find it hard to believe they got any less religious going back...

Few mentions of gods, little input from the churches/pastors etc, religion only really being used in negative attacsk ('she secretly hates Catholics' 'he's an adulterer' etc) is this the least religious presidential race ever? And if so, why does the seem to be getting so little attention?

You could be right, but my impression is that religion wasn't invoked much in recent elections, either. Support of religious leaders was pursued, though.

Btw, I watched Trump speak last night (11 pm in Colorado, his 4th of the day I think!). Near the end of a long speech, Trump made a long list of things he would work for. When he said "religious liberty", the crowd yelled approval so loudly, Trump stopped his speech to exclaim "wow" several times. Then he said that was the biggest reaction to anything he'd said all night.

That doesn't make him religious. But it is an indication of what his crowds think is important.

[revelarts]

You could be right, but my impression is that religion wasn't invoked much in recent elections, either. Support of religious leaders was pursued, though.

Btw, I watched Trump speak last night (11 pm in Colorado, his 4th of the day I think!). Near the end of a long speech, Trump made a long list of things he would work for. When he said "religious liberty", the crowd yelled approval so loudly, Trump stopped his speech to exclaim "wow" several times. Then he said that was the biggest reaction to anything he'd said all night.

That doesn't make him religious. But it is an indication of what his crowds think is important.

And his reaction is an indication of his ignorance of how important it is.

[Abbey Marie]

And his reaction is an indication of his ignorance of how important it is.


Maybe. Or maybe it showed that he loved it? Nah, you're probably right, Rev.

[Black Diamond]

And his reaction is an indication of his ignorance of how important it is.

No it isn't

[jimnyc]

You could be right, but my impression is that religion wasn't invoked much in recent elections, either. Support of religious leaders was pursued, though.

Btw, I watched Trump speak last night (11 pm in Colorado, his 4th of the day I think!). Near the end of a long speech, Trump made a long list of things he would work for. When he said "religious liberty", the crowd yelled approval so loudly, Trump stopped his speech to exclaim "wow" several times. Then he said that was the biggest reaction to anything he'd said all night.

That doesn't make him religious. But it is an indication of what his crowds think is important.

Yup, but some would prefer someone who came in with harsh stances on religion, and will govern or similar based on their religion. I keep my religion close to me, unless I have questions. But imagine that, someone who isn't huge on religion, still listening to the folks who would vote for him.

And AT is right... had he spoke out more about religion - then he would quickly be accused of the separation crap. When he doesn't, and offers liberty, then he is ignorant. Go figure.

[revelarts]

Yup, but some would prefer someone who came in with harsh stances on religion, and will govern or similar based on their religion. I keep my religion close to me, unless I have questions. But imagine that, someone who isn't huge on religion, still listening to the folks who would vote for him.

And AT is right... had he spoke out more about religion - then he would quickly be accused of the separation crap. When he doesn't, and offers liberty, then he is ignorant. Go figure.

when a persons ignorant they're ignorant. everyones ignorant of different things.
No need to make other connections.

If he had no idea clear info about immigration he'd be ignorant
If he had no idea about various muslims activity in the world, he'd just be ignorant.

Seems he's ignorant about religion, and ignorant about the religious freedom issues in U.S. politics.
His own personal is faith only an issues in the sense that he seems to mischaracterize his faith ... based on ignorance. I'm not making fun or "judging".
But if someone says they own a Ford truck and they describe the truck and you know that he's definitely describing a Chevy then ...well... OK it's Chevy. he thinks it a Ford. Ok. No problem. But it's does mean he really doesn't know the difference between a Ford and a Chevy, he's ignorant. It's not a crime, or a major fault but it does go to show how important it is to him.
If cars were really important to him he'd at least know the basics ...and a lot more.

[jimnyc]

when a persons ignorant they're ignorant. everyones ignorant of different things.
No need to make other connections.

If he had no idea clear info about immigration he'd be ignorant
If he had no idea about various muslims activity in the world, he'd just be ignorant.

Seems he's ignorant about religion, and ignorant about the religious freedom issues in U.S. politics.
His own personal is faith only an issues in the sense that he seems to mischaracterize his faith ... based on ignorance. I'm not making fun or "judging".
But if someone says they own a Ford truck and you look at the truck and see that it's clearly a Chevy then ...well... OK it's Chevy. No problem. But it's does mean he really doesn't know the difference between a Ford and a Chevy, he's ignorant. It's not a crime, or a major fault but it does go to show how important it is to him.
If cars were really important to him he'd at least know the basics ...and a lot more.

Not disagreeing on your entire debate. I'm just saying, the person who posted prior - WOULD be against anything he said, no matter how. No matter what he could have remotely been stated about religion at all, she would have found a way to stand against it, or condemn him for his words. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. Didn't even think of you when I had replied :) I believe your stances on the subject have been consistent, whether I ever agreed with them or not. Some are willing to eat their own babies though, if it helped them somehow. :)