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Kathianne
11-15-2016, 01:14 PM
but, time to rethink. Republicans came up with a trifecta, but the idea that they have a mandate would be dangerous to assume. More to the point, the concern should be on governing as honestly is possible. So much to undo and so much to do.

I'd say he's also looking at the 'hubris' issue I wondered about on the 'Obama fall' thread.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442178/trump-republicans-introspection-necessary-after-election?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=what-now&utm_medium=nr&utm_content=sowell

Kathianne
11-15-2016, 01:21 PM
Sort of related. I don't for a moment buy Obama's remark that the incoming administration, even Trump himself were unaware of how many positions needed to be filled. However, I don't know that he and the other 'outsiders' really do understand that the time necessary to get the names, get them vetted, and sign them up goes away in a blink of time.

Furthermore, like it or not, many of those with national security knowledge signed that letter that said that Trump wasn't fit to serve and they wouldn't endorse or work for him. Unfortunately, there's been quite a bit of talk that they meant just that, they don't want in this administration and that may well cause more problems.

Now this, likely the blame is on Christie, but have to agree with the writer, they could have waited until the positions were all filled:

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/15/natsec-advisor-mike-rogers-resigns-as-trump-culls-transition-team-of-christie-allies/


Natsec advisor Mike Rogers resigns as Trump culls transition team of Christie alliesPOSTED AT 11:21 AM ON NOVEMBER 15, 2016 BY ALLAHPUNDIT
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Black Diamond
11-15-2016, 01:28 PM
but, time to rethink. Republicans came up with a trifecta, but the idea that they have a mandate would be dangerous to assume. More to the point, the concern should be on governing as honestly is possible. So much to undo and so much to do.

I'd say he's also looking at the 'hubris' issue I wondered about on the 'Obama fall' thread.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442178/trump-republicans-introspection-necessary-after-election?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=what-now&utm_medium=nr&utm_content=sowell

Along the same lines, I can't help but think Hillary couldn't it completely out of her mind that last Tuesday would be a coronation.

NightTrain
11-15-2016, 01:35 PM
Sort of related. I don't for a moment buy Obama's remark that the incoming administration, even Trump himself were unaware of how many positions needed to be filled. However, I don't know that he and the other 'outsiders' really do understand that the time necessary to get the names, get them vetted, and sign them up goes away in a blink of time.


Well, if a knucklehead like me knows that there's literally thousands of positions to be filled, I'm pretty sure that the guy running for the job knew as well.

It's a big task, no doubt. There's a lot of work to be done and they're on it.

Black Diamond
11-15-2016, 01:36 PM
Obama's arrogance with nothing to back it up ....

Balu
11-15-2016, 01:38 PM
It seems to become interesting...

http://politikus.ru/uploads/posts/2016-11/1479218988_4125677_3ffc58c0eb4ea4692571df7585b2016 1.png

Kathianne
11-15-2016, 01:41 PM
Along the same lines, I can't help but think Hillary couldn't it completely out of her mind that last Tuesday would be a coronation.


Enjoyable thought, her disappointment in return for her being so entitled.

However, it would be more disappointing to find that after having both houses and the Presidency, while looking at one-three SCOTUS appointments, to find in two years it's all vaporized because of failure to pull a working government together.

The country needs to get some things done, from the rollbacks of EO, to dealing with threats from within and without. Then there is the economy. None of this gets done without folks that know how to work and control the bureaucrats. That takes experience or utilizing those that have such, along with the knowledge of knowing what one doesn't know.

Today is 1 week gone towards inauguration. Time flies.

I'm aware this isn't the advice of someone happy that Trump was elected, though in retrospect there's no doubt Hillary would have been worse. I am however pro-USA and don't want to see him fail.

I am very concerned about the whole 'blind trust, by kids' thing, wrote that thread as soon as I heard it. Now last night it seems he wants those kids to have security clearances. Yah, no conflicts.

Now the change ups with new appointees because of Christie. Pence is good, probably should have been in that position from the get go, but there shouldn't be chaos with change.

I don't think building or mending fences and little or no wall will bring him down, certainly not with his base support or even those who want the country to succeed-they didn't buy into a wall in the first place. Scandals will, especially if it appears to be because of incompetence.

On the plus side, his statement on deporting criminal illegal aliens isn't raising the hew and cry the MSM hoped it would. People ARE listening.

NightTrain
11-15-2016, 01:49 PM
Now last night it seems he wants those kids to have security clearances. Yah, no conflicts.


I'm pretty sure that you have to have security clearances of some kind to be able to visit your Dad in the White House when you want to.

Kathianne
11-15-2016, 01:56 PM
I'm pretty sure that you have to have security clearances of some kind to be able to visit your Dad in the White House when you want to.

Only in the West Wing and I'm pretty sure that would just be a vetting by FBI, not full out as security clearances would be. Likely they already have the first done, as President-elect is pretty much considered the same as President to the Secret Service.

Nope, this would just give anyone the ammunition to argue that there is no 'blind' in the trust, which was pretty much already the case. Now there's no pretense. That's not the 'transparency' anyone is looking for.

Black Diamond
11-15-2016, 02:25 PM
Enjoyable thought, her disappointment in return for her being so entitled.

However, it would be more disappointing to find that after having both houses and the Presidency, while looking at one-three SCOTUS appointments, to find in two years it's all vaporized because of failure to pull a working government together.

The country needs to get some things done, from the rollbacks of EO, to dealing with threats from within and without. Then there is the economy. None of this gets done without folks that know how to work and control the bureaucrats. That takes experience or utilizing those that have such, along with the knowledge of knowing what one doesn't know.

Today is 1 week gone towards inauguration. Time flies.

I'm aware this isn't the advice of someone happy that Trump was elected, though in retrospect there's no doubt Hillary would have been worse. I am however pro-USA and don't want to see him fail.

I am very concerned about the whole 'blind trust, by kids' thing, wrote that thread as soon as I heard it. Now last night it seems he wants those kids to have security clearances. Yah, no conflicts.

Now the change ups with new appointees because of Christie. Pence is good, probably should have been in that position from the get go, but there shouldn't be chaos with change.

I don't think building or mending fences and little or no wall will bring him down, certainly not with his base support or even those who want the country to succeed-they didn't buy into a wall in the first place. Scandals will, especially if it appears to be because of incompetence.

On the plus side, his statement on deporting criminal illegal aliens isn't raising the hew and cry the MSM hoped it would. People ARE listening.
I have a feeling charges may be brought against Christie. That may explain his sudden demotion and dismissal.

Kathianne
11-15-2016, 02:42 PM
I have a feeling charges may be brought against Christie. That may explain his sudden demotion and dismissal.

I agree, though none of that changes that he was doing what was supposed to get done in a timely manner and now it's becoming chaotic.

DLT
11-15-2016, 03:07 PM
Sort of related. I don't for a moment buy Obama's remark that the incoming administration, even Trump himself were unaware of how many positions needed to be filled. However, I don't know that he and the other 'outsiders' really do understand that the time necessary to get the names, get them vetted, and sign them up goes away in a blink of time.

Furthermore, like it or not, many of those with national security knowledge signed that letter that said that Trump wasn't fit to serve and they wouldn't endorse or work for him. Unfortunately, there's been quite a bit of talk that they meant just that, they don't want in this administration and that may well cause more problems.

Now this, likely the blame is on Christie, but have to agree with the writer, they could have waited until the positions were all filled:

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/15/natsec-advisor-mike-rogers-resigns-as-trump-culls-transition-team-of-christie-allies/

Obama is doing part of what typical leftists do....projecting. After all....Obama is the one that had never hired or fired anyone in his miserable life before entering the White House. Talking about the incoming president as if he were clueless about staffing issues is just Obama's usual and typical leftist LYING....which is the other part of what typical leftists do.

Kathianne
11-15-2016, 03:11 PM
Obama is doing part of what typical leftists do....projecting. After all....Obama is the one that had never hired or fired anyone in his miserable life before entering the White House. Talking about the incoming president as if he were clueless about staffing issues is just Obama's usual and typical leftist LYING....which is the other part of what typical leftists do.

Lord knows I'm not ever defending Obama, but he did have a smooth transition. A big part of the reason was that GW was a class act and made it as smooth as he could. The other part was he had many 'insiders' like Daley that knew what to do. By November they already had their picks and just had to have them vetted.

KarlMarx
11-15-2016, 08:11 PM
It's easy to think that once Trump disembowels Obamacare it will never be heard from again.

The Democrats worked too hard to just allow it to fade into the sunset. They will win again and, once they do, they will bring it back.

They've probably learned their lesson, forcing it on us in one big gulp caused too much of a backlash. The next time, however, they will do it slowly, one bill at a time, so that it won't be noticed.

We may have won the government, for now, but we still lost the culture. We need to bring that back too.

Kathianne
11-15-2016, 08:20 PM
It's easy to think that once Trump disembowels Obamacare it will never be heard from again.

The Democrats worked too hard to just allow it to fade into the sunset. They will win again and, once they do, they will bring it back.

They've probably learned their lesson, forcing it on us in one big gulp caused too much of a backlash. The next time, however, they will do it slowly, one bill at a time, so that it won't be noticed.

We may have won the government, for now, but we still lost the culture. We need to bring that back too.

I'm not sure if that's possible, but do know that calling them names and such will not work. How many still remember Obama saying, "I won, sit down!" That's not how one finds consensus.

fj1200
11-16-2016, 11:18 AM
I'm not sure if that's possible, but do know that calling them names and such will not work. How many still remember Obama saying, "I won, sit down!" That's not how one finds consensus.

A calm conservative mind can work wonders while governing effectively. Here's to hoping for a '94 Republican Congress instead of the '00 Republican Congress.

Kathianne
11-18-2016, 11:34 PM
Enjoyable thought, her disappointment in return for her being so entitled.

However, it would be more disappointing to find that after having both houses and the Presidency, while looking at one-three SCOTUS appointments, to find in two years it's all vaporized because of failure to pull a working government together.

The country needs to get some things done, from the rollbacks of EO, to dealing with threats from within and without. Then there is the economy. None of this gets done without folks that know how to work and control the bureaucrats. That takes experience or utilizing those that have such, along with the knowledge of knowing what one doesn't know.

Today is 1 week gone towards inauguration. Time flies.

I'm aware this isn't the advice of someone happy that Trump was elected, though in retrospect there's no doubt Hillary would have been worse. I am however pro-USA and don't want to see him fail.

I am very concerned about the whole 'blind trust, by kids' thing, wrote that thread as soon as I heard it. Now last night it seems he wants those kids to have security clearances. Yah, no conflicts.

Now the change ups with new appointees because of Christie. Pence is good, probably should have been in that position from the get go, but there shouldn't be chaos with change.

I don't think building or mending fences and little or no wall will bring him down, certainly not with his base support or even those who want the country to succeed-they didn't buy into a wall in the first place. Scandals will, especially if it appears to be because of incompetence.

On the plus side, his statement on deporting criminal illegal aliens isn't raising the hew and cry the MSM hoped it would. People ARE listening.


Why the 'blind trust' is as much for Trump's protection as it is for the country.

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/18/wsj-to-trump-do-the-prudent-thing-and-liquidate-your-business-holdings/


WSJ to Trump: Do the prudent thing and liquidate your business holdingsPOSTED AT 6:41 PM ON NOVEMBER 18, 2016 BY ALLAHPUNDIT
You’ve heard the arguments already for why a true blind trust rather than the fakey, family-run version Trump seems to be planning (http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/10/trumps-lawyer-his-kids-will-manage-his-business-holdings-in-a-blind-trust/) would be the smart, ethical thing to do. This Journal editorial (http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-family-political-business-1479426984) on the subject underlines a key point, though: It’s for Trump’s own political good. If “conflicts of interest are bad” doesn’t sway you because you’re a true-blue Trump fan who resents seeing him hassled for potentially profiting massively from public service, which was acore argument against electing the Clintons, consider the fact that Trump will benefit politically from taking the WSJ’s advice. The scandals to come in which some Trump property somewhere ends up making bank thanks to a Trump administration policy are inevitable and will become a drag on his presidency as they pile up. Even if the Trump kids operate in good faith and make a point of not discussing their management of the business with dad, it’s a cinch that some Trump properties will end up profiting from Trump policies by sheer coincidence. And the appearance of impropriety that will create will cast suspicion on him and the wider family.


Case in point, this otherwise innocuous photo was circulating all last night on social media:


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</twitterwidget>That’s Ivanka Trump, would-be co-manager of the Trump business empire, sitting in on a meeting with Japanese PM Shinzo Abe, leader of the world’s third-biggest economy. Was economic policy discussed at what was essentially a meet-and-greet? Probably not, no, but it’s revealing that the photo came from the Japanese, not from the Trump transition team (https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/ivanka-trump-expected-to-run-fathers-business-also-met-with). You would think Team Trump would want to publicize images of Trump gladhanding world leaders, but maybe they were sensitive to people knowing that the business side of Trumpworld was in on a meeting that was supposed to be diplomatic — especially at a moment when the media’s starting to pay attention to the mega-bucks conflicts of interest that lurk in all of this.


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Elessar
11-18-2016, 11:43 PM
I'm pretty sure that you have to have security clearances of some kind to be able to visit your Dad in the White House when you want to.

Security clearances plus escorted. Pretty easy. Clearances are based on need to know.
Otherwise, you are escorted.