Alt-right dismayed by Trump rejection

[gabosaurus]

Oh my... :shitfan:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/22/alt-right-supporters-donald-trump-backlash-disavow-reddit-4chan


President-elect Donald Trump’s disavowal of Richard Spencer and his far-right thinktank the National Policy Institute, a day after video of Spencer’s supporters giving the Nazi salute at an event in Washington DC surfaced, has dismayed some of his supporters on the “alt-right”.

“This constant virtue signaling needs to finally end, otherwise our civilization will simply collapse,” a commenter wrote underneath the article of Trump’s disavowal on rightwing news site Breitbart.

On /pol/, the political discussion board of the anonymous message-board 4chan, one poster wrote: “Already reneging on his word before he even takes office?! People will remember that.”

[Noir]

The substitution of 'Alt-right' for 'Neo-Nazi' is an odd one.

[NightTrain]

No shit? Comments on Breitbart and 4Chan?

I think we'd better investigate YouTube comments next.

Good work, Gabby. We're all counting on you to keep us informed of pertinent and real time fact gathering.

[Gunny]

No shit? Comments on Breitbart and 4Chan?

I think we'd better investigate YouTube comments next.

Good work, Gabby. We're all counting on you to keep us informed of pertinent and real time fact gathering.

Do I even want to know what an Alt-right is? On the surface it looks like a label given by the current left.

And for Noir's edification: NAZIs are fascists. Fascists are left wing. No matter how many times the left says otherwise. Words have definitions. So do political philosophies.

[NightTrain]

Do I even want to know what an Alt-right is? On the surface it looks like a label given by the current left.

And for Noir's edification: NAZIs are fascists. Fascists are left wing. No matter how many times the left says otherwise. Words have definitions. So do political philosophies.

It's a brand-new label invented by the Left and implies that every conservative out there is a secret Nazi. And a bigot. And a misogynist. But mostly goose-stepping white supremacists.

Most of them have no idea, but they saw another liberal use it so it gets applied with gleeful abandon.

Even a few 'conservatives' enjoy bandying about the term.

I think it's funny. Asshattery abounds.

[Black Diamond]

It's a brand-new label invented by the Left and implies that every conservative out there is a secret Nazi. And a bigot. And a misogynist. But mostly goose-stepping white supremacists.

Most of them have no idea, but they saw another liberal use it so it gets applied with gleeful abandon.

Even a few 'conservatives' enjoy bandying about the term.

I think it's funny. Asshattery abounds.
We might as well raise our right hands in sarcastic agreement. My dad gets pissed at me when I say that.

[aboutime]

Oh my... :shitfan:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/22/alt-right-supporters-donald-trump-backlash-disavow-reddit-4chan


gabby. Nearly ALL of your posts here, begin, :shitfan:and end like...:shitfan:

No matter where you stand, even the stench comes, and goes from YOU.

[Drummond]

Do I even want to know what an Alt-right is? On the surface it looks like a label given by the current left.

And for Noir's edification: NAZIs are fascists. Fascists are left wing. No matter how many times the left says otherwise. Words have definitions. So do political philosophies.

'Neocon'. Now fashionable ... 'Alt-right'. This is language invented, and pushed, by those of THE LEFT.

See or hear anyone peppering their dialogues, propaganda (- whatever -) with these terms, and you can be sure you're dealing with a Leftie pushing an agenda.

Nazis are indeed fascist, and Left wing. To them, everything is done for 'society' (which those Nazis or Fascists just 'happen' to rule with an iron fist). Characteristic of Left wing political philosophy is their insistence upon reducing the individual to near-zero worth, instead elevating to all-importance 'The People', 'The Masses' ... because if only the group has worth, then any outrage can be committed against any one individual and excused in 'bigger, wider' terms.

Many outrages were committed against many individuals in the name of Fascism and Nazism.

Jargon-mongers are dishonest practitioners of their beliefs. They deserve to be outed for what they ARE.

[Noir]

Nazis are indeed fascist, and Left wing

When you see a room full of people, brandishing swastikas, giving nazi salutes, shouting 'hail' and referring to the mainstream press as lügenpresse while mocking Jewish people - Do you think to yourself 'Well those guys are Nazi's' or do you think 'I have to understand whether they are politically on the Left of Right of the spectrum before knowing of they are Nazi or not'?

[CSM]

Here is some food for thought. I do not have any knowledge (at this time) as to the veracity of the content nor the validity of the source. I will say that if you take the time to read the article, it will either disgust or intrigue you.

http://louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/

[Kathianne]

Here is some food for thought. I do not have any knowledge (at this time) as to the veracity of the content nor the validity of the source. I will say that if you take the time to read the article, it will either disgust or intrigue you.

http://louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/

I'm pretty certain that von Bismarck set up most of the socialistic programs in Germany, Hitler merely used what was there, using the money he no longer was paying in reparations. He also began a massive weapons build-up, no surprise there.

Reading the post, what I came away with is that folks should consider why the government may not be the best way to address one's complaints. There are reasons to argue conservative principles.

[Drummond]

When you see a room full of people, brandishing swastikas, giving nazi salutes, shouting 'hail' and referring to the mainstream press as lügenpresse while mocking Jewish people - Do you think to yourself 'Well those guys are Nazi's' or do you think 'I have to understand whether they are politically on the Left of Right of the spectrum before knowing of they are Nazi or not'?

I think that you've already been comprehensively answered, Noir.

For my part - keeping it simple - I have no moment of indecision. What's obvious, IS obvious.

Since Hitler was a Nationalistic Leftie, complete with programs intended, and applied, which were LEFT WING in nature ... yes, when I see the room full of people doing what you describe, I'm in no doubt that they're LEFTIES.

A particularly ugly manifestation of Leftie, to be sure. But Lefties, nonetheless.

How you must be proud of them, Noir...

[Noir]

Good luck in convincing the die-hards of Brietbart etc that they're "lefties".

[jimnyc]

Good luck in convincing the die-hards of Brietbart etc that they're "lefties".

I'm one of those readers - and the site actually never talks of the BS that they talk of you and you revomit. Funny how I read the site and NEVER see any of the crap the left spew, but they never read the site and apparently know everything about it. I just posted an article about how they were accused of all kinds of things such as what you are saying, but an in depth search found none of it. I'm a die hard reader, and no part of what some nitwits started called "alt right", nor any of the other unsavory accusations made up. But there is one label that is fitting.

#WINNER

[NightTrain]

I'm one of those readers - and the site actually never talks of the BS that they talk of you and you revomit. Funny how I read the site and NEVER see any of the crap the left spew, but they never read the site and apparently know everything about it. I just posted an article about how they were accused of all kinds of things such as what you are saying, but an in depth search found none of it. I'm a die hard reader, and no part of what some nitwits started called "alt right", nor any of the other unsavory accusations made up. But there is one label that is fitting.

#WINNER

I suspect that Noir, along with every other moonbat making serious allegations against Breitbart, has never been on the site.

I've been reading it for a year now and have yet to see any of the BS that's claimed.

[Noir]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Okay, so which one of you is going to email Senoir Editior as self-proclaimed 'Alt-Right' activist Milo Yiannopoulos to advise him that he, and Soruce Brietbart, are not 'Alt-Right'

[NightTrain]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Okay, so which one of you is going to email Senoir Editior as self-proclaimed 'Alt-Right' activist Milo Yiannopoulos to advise him that he, and Soruce Brietbart, are not 'Alt-Right'

Milo is flamingly gay. I'd think you'd be supportive...?

[jimnyc]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Okay, so which one of you is going to email Senoir Editior as self-proclaimed 'Alt-Right' activist Milo Yiannopoulos to advise him that he, and Soruce Brietbart, are not 'Alt-Right'

I care about the NEWS, not what Milo thinks about himself. But again, the labels used against Breitbart, and what they're accused of in their news stories - don't hold water. Can YOU start posting a bunch of articles to backup those labels about Breitbart? Or are you just saying them because you read that?

[Noir]

Milo is flamingly gay. I'd think you'd be supportive...?

Well either I'm supportive or you're wrong.
And I guess you being wrong is out of the question, so supportive it is!

[NightTrain]

Well either I'm supportive or you're wrong.
And I guess you being wrong is out of the question, so supportive it is!

Much better, that's a good lad.

[jimnyc]

For those wishing to backup their accusations... got to Google, and you can...

type in - site:debatepolicy Noir

That will search JUST this site for Noir.

Now you guys can do the same about Breitbart and backup your words, or look stupid like you either made it up, or are following other idiots. I'll wait.

[jimnyc]

C'mon, Noir - surely you have at least TWO articles lined up, no? Considering the names and labels, you must have read SOMETHING? This should be quite easy and very quick for you....

[Noir]

C'mon, Noir - surely you have at least TWO articles lined up, no? Considering the names and labels, you must have read SOMETHING? This should be quite easy and very quick for you....

What are your thoughts on a headline like "Bill Kristol: Republican Spolier, Renegade Jew"?
Thats a headline mind, not something someone typed in the comments section.

[jimnyc]

What are your thoughts on a headline like "Bill Kristol: Republican Spolier, Renegade Jew"?
Thats a headline mind, not something someone typed in the comments section.

I knew there was a reason you didn't link to the article - written by a Jew


Here - http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/

Now tell us again, what's so bad with this article? Just run with a title?

[Noir]

But what do the comments say? Well, it's a veritable smorgasbord!


That is a valid and reasonable concern. Jews like Soros and Kristol make it almost impossible to not accept the alternative version of history.


I hate to break it to you, but just about every individual supportive of or involved in a White nationalist movement (of which I am but a small part, and as distinct from the "supremacists") is indeed a Trump supporter. While many of us don't "hate" every single Jew, we do realize the disparate and deleterious impact of the Jewry on Western (read: White, of European descent) Culture


You pathetic parroting fool, e=mc squared is just more unsubstantiated bullshit, like most "Jewish" intellectual creations. Bullshit, or stolen


Today we have Israel, a country ONLY for Jews where immigrants need a DNA test to become a citizen. We have the “Old Boys Club” of Jews as the richest 1% in the Western World. We have a near total control of the major media in the Western World by the Jews and still people defend the Jews, as well as supporting the Negroes, Hispanics, etc. to do the same for their people. This continues while everyone attacks the Whites for trying to do the same.

I mean, Jim, you never see this? Cuz it's there, all these leftie posts by left contributors y'know.

[jimnyc]

And surely you didn't run with this and make all those labels off of "renegade jew". Where is the rest, what is written to cover all of the other labels that are given to Breitbart? Gimme 2 more at least that cover at least 2 more labels. Hate to make you work, but YOU made such an accusation, one would have thought you would have come with proof and I wouldn't have to ask.

[jimnyc]

But what do the comments say? Well, it's a veritable smorgasbord!









I mean, Jim, you never see this? Cuz it's there, all these leftie posts by left contributors y'know.

Comments mean NOTHING. No more than the absolute GRBAGE over at democrat underground.

So back to business, I know you didn't rely on a title and comments from unknowns,..

[Noir]

Comments mean NOTHING. No more than the absolute GRBAGE over at democrat underground.

So back to business, I know you didn't rely on a title and comments from unknowns,..

These commentors are the ones Drummond is calling leftists that I was talking about in the post that you quoted me in.

[jimnyc]

I mean, Jim, you never see this? Cuz it's there, all these leftie posts by left contributors y'know.

So if I go to Huffington POst - what I read in the comments sections - it's fair to attribute that to the writer of the article? And then therefore ALL of the folks that generally read such articles on that site.

Yeah, that's funny.

[jimnyc]

These commentors are the ones Drummond is calling leftists that I was talking about in the post that you quoted me in.

I replied to you... I don't care what commenters say, they can be anyone from anywhere - which is why I very rarely will read comments except for humor.

I'm more concentrating on the labels given to the site, which apparently can't be backed up.

[Noir]

So if I go to Huffington POst - what I read in the comments sections - it's fair to attribute that to the writer of the article? And then therefore ALL of the folks that generally read such articles on that site.

Yeah, that's funny.

Not what I'm saying at all but hey-ho :)

[jimnyc]

I'm moving on from "comments sections", as they obviously don't mean squat.

But I'm not seeing anything to backup the constant labels given to the SITE for Breitbart. Odd that we saw so many accusations, but the articles can't be found? SAME as the article I posted the other day, which listed a bunch of these labels - they did their homework and came up ZILCH.

[Kathianne]

I care about the NEWS, not what Milo thinks about himself. But again, the labels used against Breitbart, and what they're accused of in their news stories - don't hold water. Can YOU start posting a bunch of articles to backup those labels about Breitbart? Or are you just saying them because you read that?

Milo is gay, he also makes a living being non-politically correct. He is however not racist, homophobe, etc. He is conservative though, so like black conservatives, it doesn't matter what else he is. ;)

[OCA]

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

[Kathianne]

One will notice that Milo is defining 'alt-right' very differently than is used by those describing something else. As I said, he's irreverent and certainly makes a hobby out of being non-pc.

[aboutime]

Noir. Comments, and Opinions are like ANAL ORIFICES, better known as "a-holes", and it just happens that EVERYBODY HAS ONE.

[jimnyc]

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

And? Milo likes to be non-PC as Kath points out. Regardless - STILL not a single article or anything to be able to proclaim that Breitbart is "racist, misogynist, xenophobe or whatever other cool names are used to describe them. Still not one article posted to backup that crap. Not one. Hell, in fact, many set aside articles from them simply because it's Breitbart - and I challenged a few this year to point out what they post that is incorrect - NOT ONE time has this been accomplished. So it's nothing more than some pointing fingers and making up names - with NOTHING to back it up.

[aboutime]

And? Milo likes to be non-PC as Kath points out. Regardless - STILL not a single article or anything to be able to proclaim that Breitbart is "racist, misogynist, xenophobe or whatever other cool names are used to describe them. Still not one article posted to backup that crap. Not one. Hell, in fact, many set aside articles from them simply because it's Breitbart - and I challenged a few this year to point out what they post that is incorrect - NOT ONE time has this been accomplished. So it's nothing more than some pointing fingers and making up names - with NOTHING to back it up.


jim. Sounds like OCA hasn't gotten the latest version of the

"DNC handbook on hatred, bigotry, and how to lie...
and convince yourself, only you are right."

[OCA]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5829ba13e4b060adb56f1bdb

[aboutime]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5829ba13e4b060adb56f1bdb



OCA. Posting a link from the HUFFPOST is supposed to be better than YOU, actually denying what has been said?

How weak, lame, and so liberally funny can you get?
As I said elsewhere. Nothing you say here means anything. By the way. TRUMP WON!

[jimnyc]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5829ba13e4b060adb56f1bdb

I see nothing more than headlines to attract. We BOTH know why there are no links to the actual articles - because there is none of the things being attributed to them in those articles. Would you like to be the first to post the actual articles, and show where they are being actual racists, xenophobes, misogynists and other names?

Or should I pick out a few of them and prove my point? Ok, I will then.

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1st one - Planned Parenthood's body count under cecile Richards is up to half a holocaust

article here - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/22/godwins-law-planned-parenthoods-body-count-is-up-to-half-a-holocaust/

This was posted with the video about PP and selling of body parts. They used the title as a grabber - I see NOTHING wrong at that link. Feel free to correct me.

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Red diaper babies: anti trump protesters adopt safety pin as a symbol

Link here - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/13/safety-pin-anti-trump-protesters-adopt-diaper-symbol/

I see NOTHING wrong in the article.

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3rd one is about the "renegade jew" written by a jew, already covered.

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4th one is "political correctness protects muslim rape culture"

Link here - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/02/political-correctness-protects-muslim-rape-culture/

Once again, nothing in there except facts and what not. Anyone is free to counter the article and it's facts that the entire world is aware of.

These are what they are linking to and speaking of:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-germany
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-islamic-state-sexslaves-exclusive-idUSKBN0UC0AO20151230

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So that's it so far - outlandish headlines - and NOTHING still that backs up the accusations.

But if you want to at least TRY - how about next time linking to the actual articles and making a point, instead of linking to pictures and hoping no one would do any research? Noir did the same thing and thought no one would look. Sounds like both of you are running with little headlines and what not that OTHER sites are telling you to run with. Good little boys they tell you.

[OCA]

I see nothing more than headlines to attract. We BOTH know why there are no links to the actual articles - because there is none of the things being attributed to them in those articles. Would you like to be the first to post the actual articles, and show where they are being actual racists, xenophobes, misogynists and other names?

Or should I pick out a few of them and prove my point? Ok, I will then.

-----

1st one - Planned Parenthood's body count under cecile Richards is up to half a holocaust

article here - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/22/godwins-law-planned-parenthoods-body-count-is-up-to-half-a-holocaust/

This was posted with the video about PP and selling of body parts. They used the title as a grabber - I see NOTHING wrong at that link. Feel free to correct me.

-----

Red diaper babies: anti trump protesters adopt safety pin as a symbol

Link here - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/13/safety-pin-anti-trump-protesters-adopt-diaper-symbol/

I see NOTHING wrong in the article.

-----

3rd one is about the "renegade jew" written by a jew, already covered.

-----

4th one is "political correctness protects muslim rape culture"

Link here - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/02/political-correctness-protects-muslim-rape-culture/

Once again, nothing in there except facts and what not. Anyone is free to counter the article and it's facts that the entire world is aware of.

These are what they are linking to and speaking of:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-germany
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-islamic-state-sexslaves-exclusive-idUSKBN0UC0AO20151230

----

So that's it so far - outlandish headlines - and NOTHING still that backs up the accusations.

But if you want to at least TRY - how about next time linking to the actual articles and making a point, instead of linking to pictures and hoping no one would do any research? Noir did the same thing and thought no one would look. Sounds like both of you are running with little headlines and what not that OTHER sites are telling you to run with. Good little boys they tell you.

The actual articles are linked to, sorry you had to click 1 extra time.

The facts are there, even in what you call "grabbers". It doesn't matter though, admitting to it would be anathema.

[aboutime]

The actual articles are linked to, sorry you had to click 1 extra time.

The facts are there, even in what you call "grabbers". It doesn't matter though, admitting to it would be anathema.



More Liberal EXCUSES? Nope OCA. THAT WON'T WORK HERE ANYMORE.
R U A Grabber? Hiding here?

[OCA]

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/11/what-steve-bannon-thinks-of-women-and-minority-groups.html

I can go on forever about Bannon and Breitbart if you like.

[jimnyc]

The actual articles are linked to, sorry you had to click 1 extra time.

The facts are there, even in what you call "grabbers". It doesn't matter though, admitting to it would be anathema.

Then point out the facts. I read many of those links and there simply isn't the things in them that you claim. Of course you could post those things, but for whatever reason you aren't doing so.

[jimnyc]

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/11/what-steve-bannon-thinks-of-women-and-minority-groups.html

I can go on forever about Bannon and Breitbart if you like.

Thanks for AGAIN proving my point. It even states what I said about headlines. and nothing else in there proving what nitwits say about either Breitbart OR Bannon. Keep going with it though, makes you look silly. Running around for a few hours now like a rat looking for cheese, but you are starving. I'm glad I'm wasting your time looking up things you cannot prove though. I've enjoyed sandwiches and desert while you sit here pouring the internet and looking dumb. :)

[jimnyc]

It's humorous, to see folks out there invent this "alt right" stuff, then tons of others try to define what this means, and now tons more of knuckleheads try to apply this to anyone that disagrees with them. :)

At this point, I'll just continue to giggle. I guess the good 'ol KKK is on it's way to make it as fascist USA as some of the dolts are saying.

I hope you nitwits enjoy the next 4 years of whining. I'm going to thoroughly enjoy this. You can call the papers and Bannon the devil himself for all I care... in fact, I hope HE IS THAT BAD towards liberals and the like. Just that much more for me to enjoy!

[aboutime]

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/11/what-steve-bannon-thinks-of-women-and-minority-groups.html

I can go on forever about Bannon and Breitbart if you like.


Go right ahead OCA. Go on forever...after you watch this.....


http://youtu.be/euNPiYOIjKE

[fj1200]

Oh my... :shitfan:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/22/alt-right-supporters-donald-trump-backlash-disavow-reddit-4chan

The alt-right should be rejected IMO.


Do I even want to know what an Alt-right is? On the surface it looks like a label given by the current left.

I believe it's pretty much self labeled.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/


It's a brand-new label invented by the Left and implies that every conservative out there is a secret Nazi. And a bigot. And a misogynist. But mostly goose-stepping white supremacists.

Didn't the alt-right label themselves?

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/


'Neocon'. Now fashionable ... 'Alt-right'. This is language invented, and pushed, by those of THE LEFT.

That doesn't appear to be true.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

[fj1200]

One will notice that Milo is defining 'alt-right' very differently than is used by those describing something else. As I said, he's irreverent and certainly makes a hobby out of being non-pc.

Yeah. Alt-right is very ill defined.

[aboutime]

Members of the alt-right, like OCA, gabby, and fj need to stand here.:shitfan:, and INHALE the smell of their own stupidity. If they have to ask what they think the alt-right is....they must be hiding behind it.

[jimnyc]

I believe it's pretty much self labeled.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/



Didn't the alt-right label themselves?

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/



That doesn't appear to be true.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

Or perhaps it ACTUALLY started here, which was different 8 years ago - and this time started by the NPI.

Coining of the term In November 2008, Paul Gottfried (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gottfried) addressed the H. L. Mencken (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Mencken) Club about what he called "the alternative right".[28] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-unz-28) In 2009, two more posts at Taki's Magazine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taki%27s_Magazine), by Patrick J. Ford and Jack Hunter, further discussed the alternative right.[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-takimag-29) The term, however, is most commonly attributed to Richard B. Spencer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer), president of the National Policy Institute (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Policy_Institute) and founder of Alternative Right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Right).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NewYorker-3)[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-splcbreitbart-30)

[fj1200]

Or perhaps it ACTUALLY started here, which was different 8 years ago - and this time started by the NPI.

Looks good. It doesn't appear to be a lefty concoction and is fully embraced by some.

[pete311]

Go right ahead OCA. Go on forever...after you watch this.....


http://youtu.be/euNPiYOIjKE


no wonder fake news is rampant when you post some dweeb ranting in his mothers basement using some shiney video editing template

[Gunny]

no wonder fake news is rampant when you post some dweeb ranting in his mothers basement using some shiney video editing template

I think it's funny.:laugh:

Tell me ... do people like you just live to be wannabe political experts on the internet? I have noted a complete lack of personality in people like that, and y'all sound the same. Were you just not paying attention when they were handing out senses of humor?

[aboutime]

no wonder fake news is rampant when you post some dweeb ranting in his mothers basement using some shiney video editing template



pete311. ADMIT IT HERE. You learned to become a DWEEB like that, all by yourself.

[revelarts]

A self describe Alt-Right guy at Alt-Right meeting calmly explains his views and the views of those he considers fellow travelers


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muf3XYTXfHk

Sounds a lot like old school White Nationalism to me.
He freely admits that "conservatism" isn't the main thing since socialist etc are are also part of the Alt-Right.
the main issue for the Alt-right ...based on this guys description... is clearly race.

[jimnyc]

^^ I saw a white guy rape a white woman, call for riots, and sit on welfare for 20 years. He was a self described black man. Does that make him one?

This alt-right crap is something a few knuckleheads ran with, and now many are using it to try and label the majority. Some like to think they can find a shithead like that, state the he claims to be alt-right.... Sure, just like when the KKK or other shitheads announced they backed Trump - and somehow that meant ANYTHING at all, or that Trump or anyone that supported him were anything like these assholes. And then idiots demanded Trump disavow all of these folks and groups.

The guy above speaks solely for himself and acts solely for himself. The alt right is apparently anyone who was on Trump's side, regardless of whether or not they agree with idiots like in the video. Folks want to take crap like this, drop the alt-right label on it, and then hope it labels everyone. Not happening.

[revelarts]

I'm not trying to label EVERYONE Jim.
But I have to ask do the people of Black lives matter represent all black people?

Look I don't know how many people have views similar to the guy in the video , but there are enough that they had a meeting in DC where they DID in fact endorse Trump.
I'd like to HOPE the the percentage of Whites that agree with him is less than 15-20%.
But perrianne agree with it and no one here really challenges her on her views so why should i expect Trump or other Trump supporters to challenge these guys either? Even though you and others seem very upset to be labelled with them.

Often people on the right want to tell Muslims to Condemn the terrorist and terrorist ideology in their midst.
Where are the GOOD Muslims?!!HUH?
Ok so is it wrong to ask for the same with these alt-right folks among the Trump supporters?

Muslims complain that they ALL aren't terrorist and it's Terrible and wrong and even AGAINT Islam, but many here don't seem to buy it.
good for goose right?

I don't think all Muslims Are Terrorist OR that all Trump supporters are Alt-Right White nationalist.
But there ARE Muslim terrorist Hellish Pieces of Crap and there are Trump supporters that are racist white nationalist scum bag.
How many there are I can't say but i wish the GOOD non-racist whites that LOVE minorities as much as whites would say something to there brothers.

(of Course muslim Terrorist are in the same league concerning harm as Alt-right people don't miss my point here.. sheesh)

[jimnyc]

I'm not trying to label EVERYONE Jim.
But I have to ask do the people of Black lives matter represent all black people?

Absolutely not.


Look I don't know how many people have views similar to the guy in the video , there are enough that they had a meeting in DC where they DID in fact endorse Trump.
I'd like to HOPE the the percentage of Whites that agree with him is less than 15-20%.

Pink martians can endorse a candidate, that doesn't mean anything about the candidate, nor others that support that candidate.


But perrianne agree with it and no one here really challenges her on her views so why would expect Trump or other Trump supporters to challenge these guys either? Even through you seem very upset to be labelled with them.

Look, I know she said a lot of offensive things. It's not anyone's "responsibility" to condemn her. Not saying anything in reply to her doesn't mean anything other than folks didn't reply to her. You go back to this all the time. If you want to see anything about me because I didn't reply to her, so be it. Same with others who didn't reply, so be it. But a LOT of people write things on this board that I find offensive. It would be retarded of me to hold others responsible for what one person writes, simply because they didn't reply to that person, or condemn that person. But whatever, do as you please, think as you please.


Often people on the right want to tell Muslims to Condemn the terrorist and terrorist ideology in their midst.
Where are the GOOD Muslims.
Ok so is it wrong to ask fr the same.

People have condemned assholes. I'm not going to sit back and do each one non-stop. White supremacists, ALL of them, assholes and idiots. But if something new is posted in a story, I always condemn things like that.


Muslim complain that they ALL aren't terrorist and it's deportable but many here don't seem to buy it?
good for goose right?

Ummm, no. Terrorism compared to idiots with retarded opinions?


I don't think all Muslims Are Terrorist OR that all Trump supporters are Alt-Right White nationalist.
But there ARE Muslim terrorist Pieces of Crap and there Are Trump supporters that are Racist white nationalist scum bag.
How many there are I can't say but i wish the GOOD non-racist whites that LOVE minorities as much as whites would say something to there brothers.

I have no comparison with them and no reason to speak out towards them, only to condemn.

[fj1200]

Sounds a lot like old school White Nationalism to me.
He freely admits that "conservatism" isn't the main thing since socialist etc are are also part of the Alt-Right.
the main issue for the Alt-right ...based on this guys description... is clearly race.

It's interesting that the Black Panthers can get tied repeatedly to BO but don't dare suggest that the Alt-Right supports trump.

[revelarts]

It's interesting that the Black Panthers can get tied repeatedly to BO but don't dare suggest that the Alt-Right supports trump.

But FJ, c'mon, Obama's a Baptist-Muslim-Racist-Communist-Foreigner.
And we can never give him the benny of doubt on anything, but Trump's a solid AMERICAN who obviously loves everyone
and doesn't really mean the things he says sometimes
and of course nothing that possibly looks suspicious or out of place is ..ever.
you should know that by now FJ :slap:
get with the program buddy.

[jimnyc]

It's interesting that the Black Panthers can get tied repeatedly to BO but don't dare suggest that the Alt-Right supports trump.

That's because some would like to change the definition, and change to white nationalists and racism - which has nothing to do with what the alt-right was/is for. Having some of them self proclaiming to be alt-right, doesn't make the the alt-right racists - THOSE folks are the racists.

So folks don't have an issue with the alt-right supporting Trump, but rather the changing definitions.

Hell, I believe you posted an article from Breitbart previosuly, claiming similarly, and I had to post a correction. Again, having idiots jump on the name and self proclaim themselves as such, doesn't change things. No different than if the KKK stands by Trump would that be making other Trump supporters racist.

[jimnyc]

But FJ, c'mon, Obama's a Baptist-Muslim-Racist-Communist-Foreigner.
And we can never give him the benny of doubt on anything, but Trump's a solid AMERICAN who obviously loves everyone
and doesn't really mean the things he says sometimes
and of course nothing that possibly looks suspicious or out of place is ..ever.
you should know that by now FJ :slap:
get with the program buddy.

Are you 18 yet?

[fj1200]

That's because some would like to change the definition, and change to white nationalists and racism - which has nothing to do with what the alt-right was/is for. Having some of them self proclaiming to be alt-right, doesn't make the the alt-right racists - THOSE folks are the racists.

So folks don't have an issue with the alt-right supporting Trump, but rather the changing definitions.

Hell, I believe you posted an article from Breitbart previosuly, claiming similarly, and I had to post a correction. Again, having idiots jump on the name and self proclaim themselves as such, doesn't change things. No different than if the KKK stands by Trump would that be making other Trump supporters racist.

Alt-Right, KKK, etc. are supporters of trump just as the Black Panthers, BLM, etc. are supporters of BO yet the latter get tied to BO repeatedly and whenever the former is suggested about trump groups then the defenses go up. It's pretty undeniable.

As I said before the Alt-Right is very hard to define and I don't recall being corrected.

[revelarts]

But FJ, c'mon, Obama's a Baptist-Muslim-Racist-Communist-Foreigner.
And we can never give him the benny of doubt on anything, but Trump's a solid AMERICAN who obviously loves everyone
and doesn't really mean the things he says sometimes
and of course nothing that possibly looks suspicious or out of place is ..ever.
you should know that by now FJ :slap:
get with the program buddy.


Are you 18 yet?

Is there Anything that I said that someone on this board hasn't said except the "...ever" part

•"Obama's a Baptist-Muslim-Racist-Communist-Foreigner."
Are you really going to say that people on this board have not called and/or believe that Obama is one or more of those.

•Please quote me where the usual suspects here ever gave Obama the benefit of the doubt. I'll apologize for that if you find 2.
•Is trump and real American?
•Doesn't Trump love everyone and doesn't have racist bone in his body?
•And haven't many said that he DOESN'T REALLY mean various things he's said?
...Or that he really meant something different, Or that they knew what he was really saying?
•And I've been told recently that nothing is really suspicious or questionable that he says or does.. we have to wait and see.
that it's only butthurt liberal whining and #nevertrump sour grapes that would point out anything even potentially negative about Trump.

So are you saying that only people under 18 can tell the truth Jim?

Sheesh nothing i've said is even exaggerated
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[Black Diamond]

When yall provide proof trump sat under David Duke or his equivalent for 20 years and called him his mentor, you let me know. Otherwise, this moral equivalency horseshit is just what it is...

horseshit.

[fj1200]

When yall provide proof trump sat under David Duke or his equivalent for 20 years and called him his mentor, you let me know. Otherwise, this moral equivalency horseshit is just what it is...

horseshit.

You're missing the point. Nobody is suggesting Duke was/is a mentor.

[Black Diamond]

Alt-Right, KKK, etc. are supporters of trump just as the Black Panthers, BLM, etc. are supporters of BO yet the latter get tied to BO repeatedly and whenever the former is suggested about trump groups then the defenses go up. It's pretty undeniable.

As I said before the Alt-Right is very hard to define and I don't recall being corrected.
Maybe IF Obama hadn't been sat under that lunatic for 20 years people wouldn't assume hes a bigot. And I am pretty sure Obama has praised blm.

[fj1200]

Maybe IF Obama hadn't been sat under that lunatic for 20 years people wouldn't assume hes a bigot. And I am pretty sure Obama has praised blm.

I'm pretty sure some would make that assumption.

[Black Diamond]

You're missing the point. Nobody is suggesting Duke was/is a mentor.
No. They are saying we shouldn't get upset when people call trump racist because after all we said Obama Is. Obama sat under a David duke equivalent and called him his mentor for 20 years. Trump didn't.

[jimnyc]

Alt-Right, KKK, etc. are supporters of trump just as the Black Panthers, BLM, etc. are supporters of BO

KKK and black panthers ----- are nothing comparable to the alt-right. The alt-right has nothing to do with race/racism.


yet the latter get tied to BO repeatedly and whenever the former is suggested about trump groups then the defenses go up. It's pretty undeniable.

As I said before the Alt-Right is very hard to define and I don't recall being corrected.

Milo from Breitbart, you had posted an article from him where it appeared you thought it was not only them describing themselves as alt-right but taking ownership of it. The term started in 2009 actually though. Sure, some assholes added their name to it, slef proclaim themselves as such - but the definition shouldn't be changed because of racism from NPI.

With that said, yes, many have tied the BP group to Obama.All I would say is that SOMEONE with power should stop them if they stand outside polling places, but I don't think that's the job nor responsibility of the prez. Honestly, I don't care if folks tie the alt-right to Trump, I care about being identified as alt-right, and then the definition changing, and then once again being labeled alt-right. Some say the alt-right rejects conservatism, but that's not true. This "alternative right" was just that, an alternative for folks on the right. It wasn't until 2016, and the NPI, that this started to change.

For example, look at the following from Wiki... ALL of these terms used to describe the alt-right - ALL came this year.

It has been said to include elements of white nationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism),[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-People-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-CNNexplained-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NewYorker-3) white supremacism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacism),[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-WPechoes-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NPCWhatIs-6)[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-ft-27) antisemitism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism),[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-People-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-CNNexplained-2)[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NYTechoes-15) right-wing populism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_populism),[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NewYorker-3) nativism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativism_(politics)),[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-reuters-17) and the neoreactionary movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoreactionary_movement).[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-bostonglobe-18)

[jimnyc]

Is there Anything that I said that someone on this board hasn't said except the "...ever" part

I didn't even read the rest of your post yet, as I want to respond without sarcasm or anger. :)

It's not that folks don't say certain things, Rev. But you VERY often will make such quotes without actually quoting anyone. I've mentioned this before. And it's not a big deal, but very often these quotes are very exaggerated. And when doing so, it's done to :poke: at folks or to try and embarrass them. We have more than enough of that crap, I just don't see the need to bring it up out of nowhere is all. Unless of course you want to be abrasive and get abrasive replies. If that's your goal, so be it. I honestly don't see myself in any of those made up quotes, but I wouldn't know anyway, as no one is quoted.

[fj1200]

No. They are saying we shouldn't get upset when people call trump racist because after all we said Obama Is. Obama sat under a David duke equivalent and called him his mentor for 20 years. Trump didn't.

Are you talking about who is in this thread or some other "they"? To suggest that the alt-right supports trump is not the same thing as saying trump supports the alt-right.


KKK and black panthers ----- are nothing comparable to the alt-right. The alt-right has nothing to do with race/racism.

As I said it is very ill defined. There are some alt-righters that are racist but it is very easy to draw the conclusion I did regarding the comparison.


Milo from Breitbart, you had posted an article from him where it appeared you thought it was not only them describing themselves as alt-right but taking ownership of it. The term started in 2009 actually though. Sure, some assholes added their name to it, slef proclaim themselves as such - but the definition shouldn't be changed because of racism from NPI.

With that said, yes, many have tied the BP group to Obama.All I would say is that SOMEONE with power should stop them if they stand outside polling places, but I don't think that's the job nor responsibility of the prez. Honestly, I don't care if folks tie the alt-right to Trump, I care about being identified as alt-right, and then the definition changing, and then once again being labeled alt-right. Some say the alt-right rejects conservatism, but that's not true. This "alternative right" was just that, an alternative for folks on the right. It wasn't until 2016, and the NPI, that this started to change.

For example, look at the following from Wiki... ALL of these terms used to describe the alt-right - ALL came this year.

It has been said to include elements of white nationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism),[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-People-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-CNNexplained-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NewYorker-3)white supremacism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacism),[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-WPechoes-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NPCWhatIs-6)[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-ft-27)antisemitism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism),[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-People-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-CNNexplained-2)[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NYTechoes-15)right-wing populism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_populism),[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NewYorker-3)nativism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativism_(politics)),[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-reuters-17) and the neoreactionary movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoreactionary_movement).[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-bostonglobe-18)

I made no claim, Milo and Allum did. I'm glad we agree on the BP thing because it works both ways.

As far as the AR, I argue it's not really conservative but that depends on some amorphous definitions and what one wants to believe about it and themselves. IMO conservatism doesn't need an "alt."

[Little-Acorn]

Who/what on earth is the "alt-right"?

Sounds to me like the usual leftists decided to make up a brand-new enemy, when the country decided to reject them on Nov. 8.

But they never really said who it was, who was in it, what they were supposed to have done, etc.

It's like they suddenly started shouting "Look, it's the boogeyman!"

Anyone have any idea who they're talking about?

[fj1200]

Who/what on earth is the "alt-right"?

Sounds to me like the usual leftists decided to make up a brand-new enemy, when the country decided to reject them on Nov. 8.

But they never really said who it was, who was in it, what they were supposed to have done, etc.

It's like they suddenly started shouting "Look, it's the boogeyman!"

Anyone have any idea who they're talking about?

You might want to review the thread and some of the links proffered.

[revelarts]

Alt-Right, KKK, etc. are supporters of trump just as the Black Panthers, BLM, etc. are supporters of BO yet the latter get tied to BO repeatedly and whenever the former is suggested about trump groups then the defenses go up. It's pretty undeniable.

As I said before the Alt-Right is very hard to define and I don't recall being corrected.
I agree with all that
But Alt-Right is not hard to define it's White Nationalism.



An Establishment Conservative’s Guide To The Alt-Right
There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared), but one thing stands out above all else: intelligence. Skinheads, by and large, are low-information, low-IQ thugs driven by the thrill of violence and tribal hatred. The alternative right are a much smarter group of people — which perhaps suggests why the Left hates them so much. They’re dangerously bright.The origins of the alternative right can be found in thinkers as diverse as Oswald Spengler, H.L Mencken, Julius Evola, Sam Francis, and the paleoconservative movement that rallied around the presidential campaigns of Pat Buchanan. The French New Right also serve as a source of inspiration for many leaders of the alt-right.
...
It’s tragic to think that heroic man’s great destiny is to become economic man, that men will be reduced to craven creatures who crawl across the globe competing for money, who spend their nights dreaming up new ways to swindle each other. That’s the path we’re on now.

Steve Sailer, meanwhile, helped spark the “human biodiversity” movement, a group of bloggers and researchers who strode eagerly into the minefield of scientific race differences — in a much less measured tone than former New York Times science editor Nicholas Wade (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/05/19/science-and-racism-book/).
Isolationists, pro-Russians and ex-Ron Paul supporters frustrated with continued neoconservative domination of the Republican party were also drawn to the alt-right, who are almost as likely as the anti-war left to object to overseas entanglements.
Elsewhere on the internet, another fearsomely intelligent group of thinkers prepared to assault the secular religions of the establishment: the neoreactionaries, also known as #NRx.
...

Natural conservatives can broadly be described as the group that the intellectuals above were writing for. They are mostly white, mostly male middle-American radicals, who are unapologetically embracing a new identity politics that prioritises the interests of their own demographic.
In their politics, these new conservatives are only following their natural instincts — the same instincts that motivate conservatives across the globe. These motivations have been painstakingly researched by social psychologist Jonathan Haidt, and an instinct keenly felt by a huge swathe of the political population: the conservative instinct.

Acclaimed social psychologist Jonathan Haidt described the conservative instinct in his 2012 book The Righteous Mind.

The conservative instinct, as described by Haidt, (https://www.edge.org/conversation/jonathan_haidt-what-makes-people-vote-republican)includes a preference for homogeneity over diversity, for stability over change, and for hierarchy and order over radical egalitarianism. Their instinctive wariness of the foreign and the unfamiliar is an instinct that we all share – an evolutionary safeguard against excessive, potentially perilous curiosity – but natural conservatives feel it with more intensity. They instinctively prefer familiar societies, familiar norms, and familiar institutions.
An establishment Republican, with their overriding belief in the glory of the free market, might be moved to tear down a cathedral and replace it with a strip mall if it made economic sense. Such an act would horrify a natural conservative. Immigration policy follows a similar pattern: by the numbers, cheap foreign workers on H1B visas make perfect economic sense. But natural conservatives have other concerns: chiefly, the preservation of their own tribe and its culture.
For natural conservatives, culture, not economic efficiency, is the paramount value. More specifically, they value the greatest cultural expressions of their tribe. Their perfect society does not necessarily produce a soaring GDP, but it does produce symphonies, basilicas and Old Masters. The natural conservative tendency within the alt-right points to these apotheoses of western European culture and declares them valuable and worth preserving and protecting.
...
. Certainly, the rise of Donald Trump, perhaps the first truly cultural candidate for President since Buchanan, suggests grassroots appetite for more robust protection of the western European and American way of life.
Alt-righters describe establishment conservatives who care more about the free market than preserving western culture, and who are happy to endanger the latter with mass immigration where it serves the purposes of big business, as “cuckservatives.” (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/28/cuckservative-is-a-gloriously-effective-insult-that-should-not-be-slurred-demonised-or-ridiculed/)
Halting, or drastically slowing, immigration is a major priority for the alt-right. While eschewing bigotry on a personal level, the movement is frightened by the prospect of demographic displacement represented by immigration.
The alt-right do not hold a utopian view of the human condition: just as they are inclined to prioritise the interests of their tribe, they recognise that other groups – Mexicans, African-Americans or Muslims – are likely to do the same. As communities become comprised of different peoples, the culture and politics of those communities become an expression of their constituent peoples.
You’ll often encounter doomsday rhetoric in alt-right online communities: that’s because many of them instinctively feel that once large enough and ethnically distinct enough groups are brought together, they will inevitably come to blows. In short, they doubt that full “integration” is ever possible. If it is, it won’t be successful in the “kumbaya” sense. Border walls are a much safer option.
The alt-right’s intellectuals would also argue that culture is inseparable from race. The alt-right believe that some degree of separation between peoples is necessary for a culture to be preserved. A Mosque next to an English street full of houses bearing the flag of St. George, according to alt-righters, is neither an English street nor a Muslim street — separation is necessary for distinctiveness....
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/



There's more to the article, parts of which describes how "True" Bigots and racist are attached to the movement as well. Those that are more concerned about destroying others races rather than simply BUILDING their own race based communities. And how some of them don't like being smeared by others in the Alt-Right movement since they are "GOOD NAZIs".

Bottom Line It's White Nationalism
They'd PREFER to live in a mostly or all white country, with whites in control of the gov't and businesses.
they think Whiteness "their tribe" is what make them great and generally better than other "tribes" that is races.

people should stop with the denials.
it is what it is, and they do support Trump.

[jimnyc]

As far as the AR, I argue it's not really conservative but that depends on some amorphous definitions and what one wants to believe about it and themselves. IMO conservatism doesn't need an "alt."

I think it's an alternative conservatism, but not the current definition. Many would like an alternative to the same old Washington repetitive, insider, lifelong career politicians... Now, that's STILL not even what the definition is/was. I can state this much though - it's naive to think so many want to self describe themselves as all of those rotten labels. Of course there are some that want too as well. But more likely, a change in definition, then finger pointing and labeling of folks that some don't like or disagree with.

This is more along the lines of it's original creation, and there's nothing in there about such labels:


We are part of an attempt to put together an independent intellectual Right, one that exists without movement establishment funding and one that our opponents would be delighted not to have to deal with. Our group is also full of young thinkers and activists, and if there is to be an independent Right, our group will have to become its leaders.

http://www.unz.com/article/the-decline-and-rise-of-the-alternative-right/

[fj1200]

I agree with all that
But Alt-Right is not hard to define it's White Nationalism.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

There's more to the article, parts of which describes how "True" Bigots and racist are attached to the movement as well. Those that are more concerned about destroying others races rather than simply BUILDING their own race based communities. And how some of them don't like being smeared by others in the Alt-Right movement since they are "GOOD NAZIs".

Bottom Line It's White Nationalism
They'd PREFER to live in a mostly or all white country, with whites in control of the gov't and businesses.
they think Whiteness "their tribe" is what make them great and generally better than other "tribes" that is races.

people should stop with the denials.
it is what it is, and they do support Trump.

Not all of that is true. Similar to what I said to BD; White Nationalism may be part of Alt-Right but not all Alt-Right is White Nationalism. Interesting the OP showed trump "disavowing" NPI but not necessarily disavowing Alt-Right but perhaps the opposite with appointing Bannon.

But they do support trump.

[jimnyc]

I agree with all that
But Alt-Right is not hard to define it's White Nationalism.

Umm, no. That's the same thing I just spoke to FJ about. Hell, it states right in the article:


Previously an obscure subculture, the alt-right burst onto the national political scene in 2015.

And yet it started in 2009, go figure. No point in even discussing it with someone who thinks so many people are racists, and worse. Try reading outside one article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

[jimnyc]

Not all of that is true. Similar to what I said to BD; White Nationalism may be part of Alt-Right but not all Alt-Right is White Nationalism. Interesting the OP showed trump "disavowing" NPI but not necessarily disavowing Alt-Right but perhaps the opposite with appointing Bannon.

But they do support trump.

No different than if the worst black racists in the world supported Obama - would that make Obama racist? Or would it make his other supporters racist? Of course not. I agree with you, yes, some may want to proclaim themselves as whatever they want, but it doesn't change the group.

[fj1200]

I think it's an alternative conservatism, but not the current definition. Many would like an alternative to the same old Washington repetitive, insider, lifelong career politicians... Now, that's STILL not even what the definition is/was. I can state this much though - it's naive to think so many want to self describe themselves as all of those rotten labels. Of course there are some that want too as well. But more likely, a change in definition, then finger pointing and labeling of folks that some don't like or disagree with.

This is more along the lines of it's original creation, and there's nothing in there about such labels:

http://www.unz.com/article/the-decline-and-rise-of-the-alternative-right/

There is very little in the AR that I would equate to conservatism. I also think there is very little "intellectual" in it either, it's almost the counter to the SJW movement with its focus on activists.

[fj1200]

No different than if the worst black racists in the world supported Obama - would that make Obama racist? Or would it make his other supporters racist? Of course not. I agree with you, yes, some may want to proclaim themselves as whatever they want, but it doesn't change the group.

Merely my original point. :) Many movements contain elements that do not appeal to all and the AR is no different.

[revelarts]

Not all of that is true. Similar to what I said to BD; White Nationalism may be part of Alt-Right but not all Alt-Right is White Nationalism. Interesting the OP showed trump "disavowing" NPI but not necessarily disavowing Alt-Right but perhaps the opposite with appointing Bannon.
But they do support trump.


Umm, no. That's the same thing I just spoke to FJ about. Hell, it states right in the article:
And yet it started in 2009, go figure. No point in even discussing it with someone who thinks so many people are racists, and worse. Try reading outside one article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

So both of you a telling me that a significant portion... the vast MAJORITY of the ALT-Right VIOLENTLY DISAGREEs with the ideas that
That races/tribes should live primarily in in their own countries,
That single races/tribes should be in control of the their own gov'ts, businesses and religions.
And that Whiteness "their tribe" is what make them great and generally better than other "tribes" that is races.

And that the above concepts are NOT a significant part of the Alt-Right movements concerns.



And Jim are you telling me that this Breitbart article is mistaken?

[jimnyc]

There is very little in the AR that I would equate to conservatism. I also think there is very little "intellectual" in it either, it's almost the counter to the SJW movement with its focus on activists.

Depends on where you're coming from or what you would like to define the group as. If like Rev, and want to incorrectly describe them as racist folks, as if the npi were somehow their leaders, I can understand that. But that's not really true to anyone who supported Trump and thought themselves part of the group. Many have screamed about racism from day one, but other than a few idiots here and there, none of that was true. Same here, the NPI acted like assholes, and now some want to call the group white nationalists. Where's the beef, where's the proof of this? The average person out there probably doesn't even know who/what npi is. I'm not going to let an article steer me to believe that millions are somehow the new KKK. I'll let actions of folks decide that, and I just haven't seen it. I've seen a LOT more of folks describing others as such, with little to no proof.

You must be looking and sticking with any/all negative definitions of this group you can find. Not all fit under labels they have never described themselves as.

But if some want to stick with the definition, and it's now pointing to white nationalism, and racism and all those other names - then I would simply say that this group is MUCH MUCH smaller than folks would think. Outside of npi, I've seen 50x more racism from Obama/Clinton supporters. Additionally, IF that's now the definition, than it also has little to nothing to do with conservatives. It's just a collective group of racists.

[jimnyc]

So both of you a telling me that a significant portion... the vast MAJORITY of the ALT-Right VIOLENTLY DISAGREEs with the ideas that
That races/tribes should live primarily in in their own countries,
That single races/tribes should be in control of the their own gov'ts, businesses and religions.
And that Whiteness "their tribe" is what make them great and generally better than other "tribes" that is races.

And that the above concepts are NOT a significant part of the Alt-Right movements concerns.



And Jim are you telling me that this Breitbart article is mistaken?

I believe I was more than clear in my language. Are you saying that the original definition of the term was hijacked, and no longer the same as when used in 2009?

violently disagrees? Ok then.

Rev, re-read the article. Look at the title. It's telling you that it's an ESTABLISHMENT'S guide to the alt-right, aka how they see it in various ways. For example, look under "Natural Conservatives" in the article, where is it stating that they are racists, or white nationalists?

[revelarts]

I believe I was more than clear in my language. Are you saying that the original definition of the term was hijacked, and no longer the same as when used in 2009?
violently disagrees? Ok then.
Rev, re-read the article. Look at the title. It's telling you that it's an ESTABLISHMENT'S guide to the alt-right, aka how they see it in various ways. For example, look under "Natural Conservatives" in the article, where is it stating that they are racists, or white nationalists?


Jim I read the wiki article and somehow the term white nationalism is woven strait through it again and again
and at the bottom of the Wiki article on the Alt-Right it says
See also
Angry white male
New Nationalism
White genocide conspiracy theory

I read the Unz review article as well, and took a look at the site's subject mater
NOTHING NATIONALISTIC or RACE BASED there :rolleyes:

Pat Buchannon figures prominently again and agian in each of the articles or sites.
As I (and i believe others here) have mentioned some time ago. He's an long time Racist and .. he's a nationalist to be sure.
Does that mean that EVERYTHING he says is Crazy? No. Or that he's trying to kill blacks and jews. No.
but it does mean that he
PREFERS a primarily White Dominated nation.

if that does not fit your definition of white nationalism OK.

then it's "ALT-Right" OK fine but all the evidence still tells me that Alt-Right is simply is an Erudite soft White Nationalism.

[jimnyc]

Jim I read the wiki article and somehow the term white nationalism is woven strait through it again and again
and at the bottom of the Wiki article on the Alt-Right it says
See also
Angry white male
New Nationalism
White genocide conspiracy theory

Yes, and AGAIN, look at the dates - ALL 2016 - and yet the alt-right was first known in 2009.

You're going to find racism as you're looking for it, whatever. I stated a bunch of times already about the dates, and you go right past that as if it didn't exist. I don't get the point if you'll just keep ignoring things and dates.

AGAIN - alt-right started in 2008/2009. You are pointing out things that didn't get redefined until this year after the election got underway.



KKK and black panthers ----- are nothing comparable to the alt-right. The alt-right has nothing to do with race/racism.



Milo from Breitbart, you had posted an article from him where it appeared you thought it was not only them describing themselves as alt-right but taking ownership of it. The term started in 2009 actually though. Sure, some assholes added their name to it, slef proclaim themselves as such - but the definition shouldn't be changed because of racism from NPI.

With that said, yes, many have tied the BP group to Obama.All I would say is that SOMEONE with power should stop them if they stand outside polling places, but I don't think that's the job nor responsibility of the prez. Honestly, I don't care if folks tie the alt-right to Trump, I care about being identified as alt-right, and then the definition changing, and then once again being labeled alt-right. Some say the alt-right rejects conservatism, but that's not true. This "alternative right" was just that, an alternative for folks on the right. It wasn't until 2016, and the NPI, that this started to change.

For example, look at the following from Wiki... ALL of these terms used to describe the alt-right - ALL came this year.

It has been said to include elements of white nationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism),[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-People-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-CNNexplained-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NewYorker-3)white supremacism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacism),[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-WPechoes-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NPCWhatIs-6)[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-ft-27)antisemitism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism),[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-People-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-CNNexplained-2)[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NYTechoes-15)right-wing populism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_populism),[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-NewYorker-3)nativism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativism_(politics)),[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-reuters-17) and the neoreactionary movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoreactionary_movement).[18 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#cite_note-bostonglobe-18)

[Elessar]

It's all bogus.

Sure, there are a few loudmouths out there - on both sides of the fence.

But having to invent a new term to label people in a collective fashion is a
classic liberal tactic to attack conservatives.

[jimnyc]

JPREFERS a primarily White Dominated nation.

We're all racists, and I believe this is what Trump ran on, the white dominated nation. I've done searches and I'm taken back by how many times he discussed just that. And the alt-right group the same, so many have them have gotten together over the past couple of years and made it clear they are racist and want things to change under Trump. We all want a new WHITE nation.

It's a shame though, as our message isn't getting out there as much as we would like. I mean, we are getting it known out there that were are racists, and that we want a white dominated world, but unfortunately we can't get the rest of the message across. Hell, if I do a search, outside of NPI, I can't see anyone out there running this alt-right and putting proof out there of our message. All I see are some idiots acting racist, on BOTH sides, and a bunch of folks labeling others.

I really need to get out there, show off my KKK stuff, because this seems to be failing, because all our group sees is constant whining from others- the failure to show the world that we are racists. :rolleyes:

[jimnyc]

It's all bogus.

Sure, there are a few loudmouths out there - on both sides of the fence.

But having to invent a new term to label people in a collective fashion is a
classic liberal tactic to attack conservatives.

What, you aren't a raving white nationalist?

Ain't NO different than the shitheads that start with fake names like homophobe, islamaphobe and other stupid terms, which are invented, solely to make the other person look. Same here, some idiots want to make everyone out to be racists - I'll gauge it based on the persons actual 'racist' actions. One would think we would see more racism out there as a result. But outside of the whiners whining about things, the racism I see is your typical assholes out there as we've always seen.

But I heard the boogeyman is out there too!

[NightTrain]

I'm still waiting on my complimentary KKK hood. I even donated money to Trump and everything.

[aboutime]

I'm very, very proud to be one of the DEPLORABLE'S from the basket of liberal ignorance, and stupidity. Democrats, Obama-lovers, and Hillary Whiners are simply going to have to ACCEPT their rejection as members of the Under-informed, Under-educated, and Under-Intelligence Squads.

[Black Diamond]

Are you talking about who is in this thread or some other "they"? To suggest that the alt-right supports trump is not the same thing as saying trump supports the alt-right.



As I said it is very ill defined. There are some alt-righters that are racist but it is very easy to draw the conclusion I did regarding the comparison.



I made no claim, Milo and Allum did. I'm glad we agree on the BP thing because it works both ways.

As far as the AR, I argue it's not really conservative but that depends on some amorphous definitions and what one wants to believe about it and themselves. IMO conservatism doesn't need an "alt."

I am pretty sure Obama has praised Black lives matter, maybe even invited them to the White House. i am about 80 percent sure of the latter. so while maybe obama doesn't support the panthers, he supports black lives matter, which is a terrorist organization imo... or at the very least... racially divisive/racist

[jimnyc]

I'm still waiting on my complimentary KKK hood. I even donated money to Trump and everything.

I may just make this as my new avatar soon, show my support for what I'm being labeled as!!

http://i.imgur.com/pN96GsE.jpg

[revelarts]

Yes, and AGAIN, look at the dates - ALL 2016 - and yet the alt-right was first known in 2009.
You're going to find racism as you're looking for it, whatever. I stated a bunch of times already about the dates, and you go right past that as if it didn't exist. I don't get the point if you'll just keep ignoring things and dates.
AGAIN - alt-right started in 2008/2009. You are pointing out things that didn't get redefined until this year after the election got underway.
[/SUP]


SO Jim you're saying that it wasn't until THIS YEAR that there were any RACE based Nationalist themes associated with the Alt-Right?
got any links for that.
I'm open to proof but you have to show me I can't just take your word for it.

Because based on what i read a lot of this stuff has been floating around the web for sometime AS part of the ALT-RIGHT.


We're all racists, and I believe this is what Trump ran on, the white dominated nation. I've done searches and I'm taken back by how many times he discussed just that. And the alt-right group the same, so many have them have gotten together over the past couple of years and made it clear they are racist and want things to change under Trump. We all want a new WHITE nation.

It's a shame though, as our message isn't getting out there as much as we would like. I mean, we are getting it known out there that were are racists, and that we want a white dominated world, but unfortunately we can't get the rest of the message across. Hell, if I do a search, outside of NPI, I can't see anyone out there running this alt-right and putting proof out there of our message. All I see are some idiots acting racist, on BOTH sides, and a bunch of folks labeling others.

I really need to get out there, show off my KKK stuff, because this seems to be failing, because all our group sees is constant whining from others- the failure to show the world that we are racists. :rolleyes:


Uh jim why are going to BS level here, can't you read?
this is part of what I said that you cut down to the last line.

"Pat Buchannon figures prominently again and agian in each of the articles or sites.
As I (and i believe others here) have mentioned some time ago. He's an long time Racist and .. he's a nationalist to be sure.
Does that mean that EVERYTHING he says is Crazy? No. Or that he's trying to kill blacks and jews. No.
but it does mean that he
PREFERS a primarily White Dominated nation."


So um Please explain to me how when you read what i wrote about Pat Buchanon that you PRETEND that i was talking about Trump and ALL people?
Then you go off on tangent about it.
then you want to say "BOTH SIDES" are working on a white nationalist agendas. uh NO. Sheesh.
then you act as if I called YOU KKK.
I haven't even called you Alt-RIGHT! but you act as if me or FJ stuck a label on your back.
Look calm down, neither I or FJ represent "LEFT WING MEDIA" or the "THE LEFT" if you have a beef with the way they tried to paint Trump and "ALL" of his supporters then take it up with them. Don't crop my remarks to make up BS replies to me pretending I'm saying it.

I'm just pointing out what the ALT-RIGHT IS ...generally erudite soft white nationalist. if you're not a part of that crowd fine. Never said you were. take a pill.
Last i checked this thread is called "Alt-right dismayed by Trump rejection".
If it was call "JIM and 3/4th of the DP members dismayed about Trump rejection" I'd be talking about how defensive you are about Trump and the features of your blind loyalty etc...

[Black Diamond]

a whitelash

[aboutime]

SO Jim you're saying that it wasn't until THIS YEAR that there were any RACE based Nationalist themes associated with the Alt-Right?
got any links for that.
I'm open to proof but you have to show me I can't just take your word for it.

Because based on what i read a lot of this stuff has been floating around the web for sometime AS part of the ALT-RIGHT.




Uh jim why are going to BS level here, can't you read?
this is part of what I said that you cut down to the last line.

"Pat Buchannon figures prominently again and agian in each of the articles or sites.
As I (and i believe others here) have mentioned some time ago. He's an long time Racist and .. he's a nationalist to be sure.
Does that mean that EVERYTHING he says is Crazy? No. Or that he's trying to kill blacks and jews. No.
but it does mean that he
PREFERS a primarily White Dominated nation."


So um Please explain to me how when you read what i wrote about Pat Buchanon that you PRETEND that i was talking about Trump and ALL people?
Then you go off on tangent about it.
then you want to say "BOTH SIDES" are working on a white nationalist agendas. uh NO. Sheesh.
then you act as if I called YOU KKK.
I haven't even called you Alt-RIGHT! but you act as if me or FJ suck a label on your back.
Look calm down, neither I or FJ represent "LEFT WING MEDIA" or the "THE LEFT" if you have a beef with the way they tried to paint Trump and "ALL" of his supporters then take it up with them. Don't crop my remarks to make up BS replies to me pretending I'm saying it.

I'm just pointing out what the ALT-RIGHT IS ...generally erudite soft white nationalist. if you're not a part of that crowd fine. Never said you were. take a pill.
Last i checked this thread is called "Alt-right dismayed by Trump rejection".
If it was call "JIM and 3/4th of the DP members dismayed about Trump rejection" I'd be talking about how defensive you are about Trump and the features of your blind loyalty etc...


rev. YOU REALLY ARE COMICAL. Coming here to scold us about BLIND LOYALTY? You should take the time to read your own words for a change.
Accusing others about what you practice yourself is....Laughable.

[revelarts]

rev. YOU REALLY ARE COMICAL. Coming here to scold us about BLIND LOYALTY? You should take the time to read your own words for a change.
Accusing others about what you practice yourself is....Laughable.

um, Who am i blindly loyal too AT?

[revelarts]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/rubicon666/15401162_1188184664605878_902834294490473962_n_zps 6y6lgeqd.jpg

[Black Diamond]

More Nazi equivalence.... And you wonder why people make fun of you.

[jimnyc]

More Nazi equivalence.... And you wonder why people make fun of you.

Notice how things always get ignored, but yet the labeling always continues? And the funny thing is, being labeled a racist, by a racist! Comical.

I honestly don't give a fuck if he can't read and stays with the same stuff over and over. That really doesn't change reality. When you ask some out there the "difficult" questions, you get cartoons for replies. :)

Personally, I don't wonder.

[aboutime]

um, Who am i blindly loyal too AT?


If you have to ask. You must know the answer already. From my experiences here with you. I can show you are loyal to anyone who won't argue with you about race, racists, or liars. As a white man. I have felt the contempt from you, through your words that you try to disguise so often.

I know you cannot be loyal to anyone with whom you disagree. Like some members of DP?

[revelarts]

More Nazi equivalence.... And you wonder why people make fun of you.
NAZI equivalencies to who? the alt right.
yes, I think most have admitted they are in fact some nazis neo-nazis in what TODAY is considered the alt aright.

so what's the problem?
why make fun of someone that's making fun of the truth.

what exactly do you think the ALT Right is FOR REAL BD if the joke is so off base.
is the alt right really justanyone whose supported trump? I never said that.
Is the alt right only like 5 KK members 1 or 2 former neo Nazis and the rest are 10s of thousands of average white guys just pissed off at the system? that's BS.
or maybe is the AltRight roughly made up of guys like Pat Buchannon, the Guy in the Youtube i posted, people from the that UNz site and a mixed bag of people the seem to PREFER that WHITES be Large and in charge in "their own" countries.

Seriously what are you guys upset about?
I mean i get not trying to paint "ALL" of the Alt right as HARD CORE NAZIs and KKK but the white nationalist concepts among the crowd is real and substantial as far as i can tell.

but look, I get some general defense, I'll defend the OLD black panther party to wall.
the New Black panthers are a different group, they are just racist and make no sense for the most part.
But I'll defend ASPECTS of 'black lives matter'. but some of it is crazy and counter productive. not as much as some would say though.

But i don't get you guys BLANKET defense of the "ALT-RIGHT" and the seeming PERSONAL affronts you take at people's shots at them and sincere attempts at definitions.

seems odd.


you guys call the left snowflakes for safe spaces, and post whole threads with racial jokes and wonder why some might be offended but a few comments about the ALT-Right and many of you are acting like someone stole your lunch money.

[NightTrain]

you guys call the left snowflakes for safe spaces, and post whole threads with racial jokes and wonder why some might be offended but a few comments about the ALT-Right and many of you are acting like someone stole your lunch money.

No need to bitch about catching flak as you knew you would.

Did Noir teach you that nifty little trick?

[jimnyc]

I'm self proclaimed alt-right. I'm obviously also a die hard racist. A white supremacist. If some are literally too stupid, then I will happily wear my made up names. Stupid is as stupid does as stupid makes things up.

http://i.imgur.com/qWgvdqz.gif

[OCA]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/rubicon666/15401162_1188184664605878_902834294490473962_n_zps 6y6lgeqd.jpg

Hahahahaha :laugh2:

[revelarts]

No need to bitch about catching flak as you knew you would.

Did Noir teach you that nifty little trick?
If people would reply honestly to the content of my text... rather than what seems to me people reading into it... or only responding to my jokes.
we might have real conversation.

but it seems the Alt-Right is a sore spot here.
like Trump himself.
not to be critiqued or criticized in any fashion.

[jimnyc]

If people would reply honestly to my content of my text.

This has GOT to be the funniest post of 2016!! YOU and HONESTY!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol: :coffee::coffee::coffee:

[OCA]

More Nazi equivalence.... And you wonder why people make fun of you.

Heir Bannon references Jews quite often on Breitbart and it ain't ever in a flattering light.

[NightTrain]

If people would reply honestly to the content of my text... rather than what seems to me people reading into it... or only responding to my jokes.
we might have real conversation.

but it seems the Alt-Right is a sore spot here.
like Trump himself.
not to be critiqued or criticized in any fashion.

It's my white pointy hood-hat. It pinches my ears and makes me cranky.

[revelarts]

If you have to ask. You must know the answer already. From my experiences here with you. I can show you are loyal to anyone who won't argue with you about race, racists, or liars. As a white man. I have felt the contempt from you, through your words that you try to disguise so often.

I know you cannot be loyal to anyone with whom you disagree. Like some members of DP?

Ok, well as a white man, have you sensed any animosity or contempt in general towards black people on this board AT?
I'm just wondering.

[OCA]

I'm self proclaimed alt-right. I'm obviously also a die hard racist. A white supremacist. If some are literally too stupid, then I will happily wear my made up names. Stupid is as stupid does as stupid makes things up.

http://i.imgur.com/qWgvdqz.gif

Many years ago you stated to me that a prevalent factor in where you currently reside was race......deny or confirm?

[NightTrain]

Heir Bannon references Jews quite often on Breitbart and it ain't ever in a flattering light.

Well well well!

Finally got tired of pouting in the corner after getting spanked and came back for more, eh? Attaboy.

[jimnyc]

but it seems the Alt-Right is a sore spot here.
like Trump himself.
not to be critiqued or criticized in any fashion.

Most don't care about critiques, it's honesty, comprehension and the truth that matters to some of us, not things from make believe land and I'll ignore what I don't agree with. The sore spot is going back and forth with some folks who can't grasp reality, nor the English language, nor read things if you put in it front of them like 5 times in a row. You're a waste of time.

[jimnyc]

Many years ago you stated to me that a prevalent factor in where you currently reside was race......deny or confirm?

Post a link to this

[OCA]

Well well well!

Finally got tired of pouting in the corner after getting spanked and came back for more, eh? Attaboy.

It's called "communing with the little people".

Spanked........the only spanking you know about was that BBC movie you starred in.

Btw still can't find that pete311 beatdown you so proudly boadt of...............i can't find a unicorn either.

[Black Diamond]

NAZI equivalencies to who? the alt right.
yes, I think most have admitted they are in fact some nazis neo-nazis in what TODAY is considered the alt aright.

so what's the problem?
why make fun of someone that's making fun of the truth.

what exactly do you think the ALT Right is FOR REAL BD if the joke is so off base.
is the alt right really justanyone whose supported trump? I never said that.
Is the alt right only like 5 KK members 1 or 2 former neo Nazis and the rest are 10s of thousands of average white guys just pissed off at the system? that's BS.
or maybe is the AltRight roughly made up of guys like Pat Buchannon, the Guy in the Youtube i posted, people from the that UNz site and a mixed bag of people the seem to PREFER that WHITES be Large and in charge in "their own" countries.

Seriously what are you guys upset about?
I mean i get not trying to paint "ALL" of the Alt right as HARD CORE NAZIs and KKK but the white nationalist concepts among the crowd is real and substantial as far as i can tell.

but look, I get some general defense, I'll defend the OLD black panther party to wall.
the New Black panthers are a different group, they are just racist and make no sense for the most part.
But I'll defend ASPECTS of 'black lives matter'. but some of it is crazy and counter productive. not as much as some would say though.

But i don't get you guys BLANKET defense of the "ALT-RIGHT" and the seeming PERSONAL affronts you take at people's shots at them and sincere attempts at definitions.

seems odd.


you guys call the left snowflakes for safe spaces, and post whole threads with racial jokes and wonder why some might be offended but a few comments about the ALT-Right and many of you are acting like someone stole your lunch money.

i dont think any of the Alt right in America no matter how the term/group is defined, is on par with Eichmann and Mengele.

[Black Diamond]

Heir Bannon references Jews quite often on Breitbart and it ain't ever in a flattering light.
Renegade Jew written by a Jew. And that was only the headline.

[jimnyc]

Many years ago you stated to me that a prevalent factor in where you currently reside was race......deny or confirm?


Post a link to this

I see you sending me a PM - save it, don't want it. Just link to what you claim I said. If this even remotely once again comes down to you thinking that you are going to release supposed private information from me as part of our conversations together, then you're done here.

[OCA]

I see you sending me a PM - save it, don't want it. Just link to what you claim I said. If this even remotely once again comes down to you thinking that you are going to release supposed private information from me as part of our conversations together, then you're done here.

Jesus testy tonight!

Do you confirm or deny that race is a factor in where you choose to live? It really is a simple question.

[Black Diamond]

Jesus testy tonight!

Do you confirm or deny that race is a factor in where you choose to live? It really is a simple question.
Link it or as far as I am concerned, he never said it.

[jimnyc]

Jesus testy tonight!

Do you confirm or deny that race is a factor in where you choose to live? It really is a simple question.

No, I did NOT tell you any such thing.

Regardless, you are a piece of shit, you cannot be trusted. You take things people supposedly talk to you about, and then continually try shit like this. You did this in the past, prior to your long term ban, and this is like the 3rd or 4th time you've done so since we met. And you think PM's were private, and against the rules, but you'll flirt with actual discussions, even when you are warned so many times?

I don't even have a clue what the race ratio is where I live. I do know that we have a SHITLOAD of black folks and hispanics where I live. I am in NY after all.

A shame that I trusted you and made friends with you. Well, really not.

[jimnyc]

Link it or as far as I am concerned, he never said it.

I didn't. He sent me a PM instantly after my post, claiming that it's something I told him in a telephone conversation. If true, I could have easily deleted his crap and moved on. There's a reason he was banned for 4 years. He's a troll and troublemaker.

[NightTrain]

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[Black Diamond]

I didn't. He sent me a PM instantly after my post, claiming that it's something I told him in a telephone conversation. If true, I could have easily deleted his crap and moved on. There's a reason he was banned for 4 years. He's a troll and troublemaker.
Yeah he likes to play games.

[jimnyc]

Many years ago you stated to me that a prevalent factor in where you currently reside was race......deny or confirm?

The loser quickly just sent me a message on FB - stating:


Wow.......just wow. Tell me where i released any private info.

Quickly followed with:


Hahahahaha

There's a reason that Mike wasn't posting - he had QUIT prior to this, hence no posts. But then decided he would try to start trouble anyway.

There's also a reason why no one likes him, and I was just dumb enough to not listen to folks.

[jimnyc]

Yeah he likes to play games.

Yup, and now sending message after message on FB laughing.

Adios, Mikey, and you've beeb unfriended there too.

[aboutime]

9532

[NightTrain]

It's called "communing with the little people".

Spanked........the only spanking you know about was that BBC movie you starred in.

Btw still can't find that pete311 beatdown you so proudly boadt of...............i can't find a unicorn either.

Well, it's been fun, Mikey.

As you lurk on the sidelines as a guest, you'll have plenty of time to search for it. Petey knows what I'm talking about, along with everyone who was present and everyone else smart enough to search, and that's good enough.

You lasted longer than I thought you would, but it's nice to see your sorry ass shitcanned.

Now you've got double-butthurt, and I had nothing to do with it this time. But I'll still gloat because you're such a worm, if that's okay with you? No, no need to answer.

[Black Diamond]

Well, it's been fun, Mikey.

As you lurk on the sidelines as a guest, you'll have plenty of time to search for it. Petey knows what I'm talking about, along with everyone who was present and everyone else smart enough to search, and that's good enough.

You lasted longer than I thought you would, but it's nice to see your sorry ass shitcanned.

Now you've got double-butthurt, and I had nothing to do with it this time. But I'll still gloat because you're such a worm, if that's okay with you? No, no need to answer.
Plus he has January 20 to look forward to.

[Black Diamond]

Yup, and now sending message after message on FB laughing.

Adios, Mikey, and you've beeb unfriended there too.
So he's this obnoxious in real life??

[NightTrain]

Plus he has January 20 to look forward to.

That's where the other butthurt comes into play. :thumb:

[NightTrain]

So he's this obnoxious in real life??

I seriously doubt it. Did you see what a scrawny runt he is?

It's always dweebs like that who talk like real tough guys on the interwebs. A casual backhand would lay him out.

[jimnyc]

I seriously doubt it. Did you see what a scrawny runt he is?

It's always dweebs like that who talk like real tough guys on the interwebs. A casual backhand would lay him out.

I'd comment, but hell, you guys saw him in the video. No comment! :laugh:

[revelarts]

i dont think any of the Alt right in America no matter how the term/group is defined, is on par with Eichmann and Mengele.

I'd agree with that. There just seems to be a fairly genteel form of white nationalism. Its still white nationalism. They prefer to have whites in the seats of all power in "their" country. And a minimum to zero of minorities including Jewish presence. Much less influence

Many people here say ...without qualifications... That Obama is a racist. Is he close to Mengele etc? Heck is Farakhan close to that? No.
But people have no hesitation condemning Obama's "racism" but if someone call much

of the alt right racist and white nationalist based on their OWN writings and words and somehow that's "outside of reality" to some.
Double standards or willing blindness I font know which it is. But with all of Obamas faults I know he never hoped for a mainly Black nation but somehow his "racism' is easily comndemn seems people should be able to do the same for the large portion of the alt-right that espouses race based concepts and politicss..
But sadly all I see here is a wall of hasty defense ,denials and sidestepping.

[Abbey Marie]

Ok, well as a white man, have you sensed any animosity or contempt in general towards black people on this board AT?
I'm just wondering.

Yes, I have. But she left.

[fj1200]

So both of you a telling me that a significant portion... the vast MAJORITY of the ALT-Right VIOLENTLY DISAGREEs with the ideas that
That races/tribes should live primarily in in their own countries,
That single races/tribes should be in control of the their own gov'ts, businesses and religions.
And that Whiteness "their tribe" is what make them great and generally better than other "tribes" that is races.

And that the above concepts are NOT a significant part of the Alt-Right movements concerns.



And Jim are you telling me that this Breitbart article is mistaken?

I have no idea what the proportion is. Bannon has rejected the "white" aspect of it and specifically mentioned economic nationalism.

[fj1200]

Depends on where you're coming from or what you would like to define the group as. If like Rev, and want to incorrectly describe them as racist folks, as if the npi were somehow their leaders, I can understand that. But that's not really true to anyone who supported Trump and thought themselves part of the group. Many have screamed about racism from day one, but other than a few idiots here and there, none of that was true. Same here, the NPI acted like assholes, and now some want to call the group white nationalists. Where's the beef, where's the proof of this? The average person out there probably doesn't even know who/what npi is. I'm not going to let an article steer me to believe that millions are somehow the new KKK. I'll let actions of folks decide that, and I just haven't seen it. I've seen a LOT more of folks describing others as such, with little to no proof.

You must be looking and sticking with any/all negative definitions of this group you can find. Not all fit under labels they have never described themselves as.

But if some want to stick with the definition, and it's now pointing to white nationalism, and racism and all those other names - then I would simply say that this group is MUCH MUCH smaller than folks would think. Outside of npi, I've seen 50x more racism from Obama/Clinton supporters. Additionally, IF that's now the definition, than it also has little to nothing to do with conservatives. It's just a collective group of racists.

I think I've got a fairly good handle on the AR and they aren't particularly conservative IMO and I'm not sticking with any negative definitions, I go with the ones that they most? espouse rather loudly, protectionism chief among them. Rev incorrectly identifies them ALL as racist folks IMO but there are clearly racist folks who identify as AR.

And I think there is very little from BO/hrc supporters that fall under "racism" but I'm a strict constructionist on definitions.


Yes, and AGAIN, look at the dates - ALL 2016 - and yet the alt-right was first known in 2009.

You're going to find racism as you're looking for it, whatever. I stated a bunch of times already about the dates, and you go right past that as if it didn't exist. I don't get the point if you'll just keep ignoring things and dates.

AGAIN - alt-right started in 2008/2009. You are pointing out things that didn't get redefined until this year after the election got underway.

A moot distinction IMO. There is an alt-right today and they do support trump whether they are direct line descendants from NPI or bastard stepchildren it makes little difference to discussing AR today.


It's all bogus.

Sure, there are a few loudmouths out there - on both sides of the fence.

But having to invent a new term to label people in a collective fashion is a
classic liberal tactic to attack conservatives.

You seem confused. There is no "new term," the alt-right is self identified.

[fj1200]

I am pretty sure Obama has praised Black lives matter, maybe even invited them to the White House. i am about 80 percent sure of the latter. so while maybe obama doesn't support the panthers, he supports black lives matter, which is a terrorist organization imo... or at the very least... racially divisive/racist

I'm not sure I disagreed, doesn't dilute my point. :)

[jimnyc]

A moot distinction IMO. There is an alt-right today and they do support trump whether they are direct line descendants from NPI or bastard stepchildren it makes little difference to discussing AR today.

A small piece of racists support him. But it's not moot, including and recognizing the original definition and folks is not moot. Folks want to see them as racists, while folks in such a group prior to 2016 had no racism attached at all.


You seem confused. There is no "new term," the alt-right is self identified.

The self identification of some can't define everyone.

[Gunny]

A small piece of racists support him. But it's not moot, including and recognizing the original definition and folks is not moot. Folks want to see them as racists, while folks in such a group prior to 2016 had no racism attached at all.



The self identification of some can't define everyone.

Did I change colors or something? I feel like I'm in a Procul Harum song ... Whiter Shade of Pale. I mean really?



Is this whining going to stop or d we have to elect a criminal female to shut this sh*t up? I'd LOVE to have a few of y'all in my damned platoon. If you made it through T-1 it would be because I was on leave that day.

[fj1200]

A small piece of racists support him. But it's not moot, including and recognizing the original definition and folks is not moot. Folks want to see them as racists, while folks in such a group prior to 2016 had no racism attached at all.

It pretty much is. There is a link between AR version '09 and AR version '16. Unless you're saying that there isn't a link.


The self identification of some can't define everyone.

The point being that there is no new liberal term.

[jimnyc]

It pretty much is. There is a link between AR version '09 and AR version '16. Unless you're saying that there isn't a link.

The old liberal is the new conservative - according to many (not the argument here). So if someone was a liberal, and then a few years later the definition changed - the person who was originally a liberal, would still be in the exact same group, and the point of pointing out that there's a difference would be moot?

There's a link in name only - unless you can show the supposed racism of those prior to 2016, which is pretty much the entire conversation here.


The point being that there is no new liberal term.

No, the point I made was spot on - if some folks consider themselves a part of ANY group/phrase or whatever you want to call it - they don't get to simply redefine it. Now, perhaps over time, and due to the media, and folks like Rev continually ignoring reality, and continually claiming it's nothing but racists, then the term for that group has evolved, changed. And as I stated - even if they do self identify and change things, that in no way whatsoever defines everyone, as some would think.

[fj1200]

The old liberal is the new conservative - according to many (not the argument here). So if someone was a liberal, and then a few years later the definition changed - the person who was originally a liberal, would still be in the exact same group, and the point of pointing out that there's a difference would be moot?

There's a link in name only - unless you can show the supposed racism of those prior to 2016, which is pretty much the entire conversation here.

I'm not sure why you're only focusing on the racism issue, I'm not. There is a link that is self-proclaimed by the self-proclaiming alt-righters, that's pretty much a true thing. That version 16.0 has less racists than version 09.0, or the new ones aren't racist, doesn't mean there isn't a link.

Gunny has been a small-l, classical, liberal all his life but he's never been a Progressive.


No, the point I made was spot on - if some folks consider themselves a part of ANY group/phrase or whatever you want to call it - they don't get to simply redefine it. Now, perhaps over time, and due to the media, and folks like Rev continually ignoring reality, and continually claiming it's nothing but racists, then the term for that group has evolved, changed. And as I stated - even if they do self identify and change things, that in no way whatsoever defines everyone, as some would think.

Then you made a completely different point, mine is it's not a leftie concoction. Also a true thing.

[jimnyc]

I'm not sure why you're only focusing on the racism issue, I'm not.

Yes, I am. Do YOU want to be INCORRECTLY labeled as a racist? Look at Rev, you saw him describe the ENTIRE group as white nationalism. Outside of some trying to label me as a racist based on the term, I don't care about the rest.

[fj1200]

Yes, I am. Do YOU want to be INCORRECTLY labeled as a racist? Look at Rev, you saw him describe the ENTIRE group as white nationalism. Outside of some trying to label me as a racist based on the term, I don't care about the rest.

I know you are, I'm not. I saw what Rev posted, I disagreed with him. When people are wrong about me I tell them why they're wrong.

[jimnyc]

I know you are, I'm not. I saw what Rev posted, I disagreed with him. When people are wrong about me I tell them why they're wrong.

Then now you understand why I focused on the racism issue. I couldn't give a flying fuck about the rest. I'm just sick and tired of some folks finding racism in some things, applying it to everyone, and refusing to see reality.

[revelarts]

I have no idea what the proportion is. Bannon has rejected the "white" aspect of it and specifically mentioned economic nationalism.

OK yes, I'd agree he's "rejected it".
But when you look at his response when you give him some specifics he his answer CONFIRM that his view includes aspects of racial identity that supersede economics, legality and education.


....Trump was a guest on his Sirius XM “Breitbart News Daily” radio show when Bannon made the remarks on Nov. 5, 2015 (https://soundcloud.com/breitbart/breitbart-news-daily-donald-trump-november-5-2015).“People are coming in and they’re taking jobs and people are getting paid less money,” Trump said during the broadcast. “A lot of it has to do with borders.”
But people who are capable of making lots of money and building big businesses should stay, the New York businessman stressed.
“When someone is going to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn, Stanford, all the greats” and then they graduate, “we throw them out of the country, and they can’t get back in,” Trump said.
“I think that’s terrible,” added Trump, who was a regular guest on the show. “We have to be careful of that, Steve. You know, we have to keep our talented people in this country.”
Trump asked Bannon if he agreed with him, but the Breitbart executive chairman seemed to have trouble responding to this suggestion.
“When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think...” Bannon said. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”...


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0e39c1fa71e48 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-disgusted-asian-ceos-silicon-valley_us_582c5d19e4b0e39c1fa71e48)

"more than economy" a "civic society".:rolleyes:too many asians? Is he afraid that he can't compete with Americans who are Asians?
Does he want to export all Minorities so civic-coughwhitepeoplecough-society can be the bosses and have the best jobs?
Does he want affirmative action so "civic society" can have those better jobs?

when he says things like this we can do a few things
PRETEND he never said it.
Pretend he didn't really MEAN IT. and come up with some convoluted pretzel strained NONE racial basis for the statement.
Or mark it down as INLINE with ALT-Right concepts that a high majority of WHITES in the population, and especially at the head of "civic society" in biz, culture, and gov't..

Again I don't think this is something we should try and WASH AWAY so people can feel more comfortable with Trump, Bannon, BreitBart or the ALT-Right in general.
It's there, HONEST people will deal with it not try to minimize it. It's appears as integral part of the Alt-right's social/political viewpoint
and in this example is a definite part BANNON's political thought.

[jimnyc]

Oh well, sucks that some see racism in everything and everyone. Now some will know what it was like for many of us while the current scumbag and his scumbag wife were in office. Difference is - they showed their racism while in Washington, while in office.

[revelarts]

OK yes, I'd agree he's "rejected it".
But when you look at his response when you give him some specifics he his answer CONFIRM that his view includes aspects of racial identity that supersede economics, legality and education.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0e39c1fa71e48 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-disgusted-asian-ceos-silicon-valley_us_582c5d19e4b0e39c1fa71e48)

"more than economy" a "civic society".:rolleyes:too many asians? Is he afraid that he can't compete with Americans who are Asians?
Does he want to export all Minorities so civic-coughwhitepeoplecough-society can be the bosses and have the best jobs?
Does he want affirmative action so "civic society" can have those better jobs?

when he says things like this we can do a few things
PRETEND he never said it.
Pretend he didn't really MEAN IT. and come up with some convoluted pretzel strained NONE racial basis for the statement.
Or mark it down as INLINE with ALT-Right concepts that a high majority of WHITES in the population, and especially at the head of "civic society" in biz, culture, and gov't..

Again I don't think this is something we should try and WASH AWAY so people can feel more comfortable with Trump, Bannon, BreitBart or the ALT-Right in general.
It's there, HONEST people will deal with it not try to minimize it. It's appears as integral part of the Alt-right's social/political viewpoint
and in this example is a definite part BANNON's political thought.

Of cousre there's a fourth way to deal with Bannon's words and obvious meaning that i failed to mention .
that is, Attack the messenger.

SaveSave

[fj1200]

...
Again I don't think this is something we should try and WASH AWAY so people can feel more comfortable with Trump, Bannon, BreitBart or the ALT-Right in general.
...

I'm not going to waste any capital defending any of that crew but to Jim's point that doesn't capture the entire "movement."


Oh well, sucks that some see racism in everything and everyone. Now some will know what it was like for many of us while the current scumbag and his scumbag wife were in office. Difference is - they showed their racism while in Washington, while in office.

Irony.

[jimnyc]

I'm not going to waste any capital defending any of that crew but to Jim's point that doesn't capture the entire "movement."



Irony.

Finding it where it doesn't exist and seeing it where it's proven to exist, 2 different things. The refusal of some to see the facts doesn't negate this.

[fj1200]

Finding it where it doesn't exist and seeing it where it's proven to exist, 2 different things. The refusal of some to see the facts doesn't negate this.

Complaining when someone shouts allegations of racism while shouting allegations of racism is hypocritical. BTW there have been no facts presented.

[jimnyc]

Complaining when someone shouts allegations of racism while shouting allegations of racism is hypocritical. BTW there have been no facts presented.

Ok then, you win. I'm done here.

[revelarts]

I'm not going to waste any capital defending any of that crew but to Jim's point that doesn't capture the entire "movement."


See again we have the vague qualifications. I said major themes right? not a full capture.
So I'll put it this way, as with many movements there may be various strains and views however the unity of any movement usually turns a few themes held in common through most members in some form. the Hippies and the conservative movements for example. there's was/is no one quintessential Hippie or Conservative but in each group there are certain themes in common . But one hippy might never do drugs and work 6 days a week on a farm/commune in the country. while another may do drugs everyday and live on the streets in San Diego never working "just spreading love". But both would be considered part of the movement because of certain themes of freedom, the earth, culture music, ideas about what the gov't is like, peace, "free love" tradition, probably some shared guiding literature and leading lights and some not.

From my reading so far their seems to be a few constant themes that run through the alt-right "movement".
One is a pro nationalistic bent... of various strengths and various political forms.. but nationalism seems a widespread movement theme.
Another is some version of tribal/cultural ideals and identity... with racial/tribal unity being strength .. and being very important for a society.
Again with various expressions and a various strengths of passions and out workings from the socially mild, to the politically firm but restrained ....to politically extreme and militaristic (PLEASE NOTE! the later of which seems to be a small but vocal minority ....of unknown size).

Bannon's words to Trump clearly convey his agreement with those broad themes.

the fact that their are Jews that espouse the beliefs, or Asians or Blacks doesn't really matter , Heck many in the alt right movement might have been friendly with Malcolm X in his early years , since he a espoused racial separation as the best plan for whites and blacks. "white supremacy" or "Black supremacy" isn't a factor in some cases. Some ...as some the Alt-Right writers do... only suggest (believe with all their hearts) that 'whites' , blacks, asians and natives should be with their 'own kind' for the best outcomes socially and politically speaking.

people like Pat Buchanan have espoused a version of that type of thinking for decades. even if the Alt-Right label is "new" circa 2009 the broad themes and some of people that seem to be linked to it are not.

And again Bannon's comments seem to fit WELL with and seem representative of what i suspect the majority of the Alt-Right would agree with generally speaking.

In Response to Trumps Idea that successful VERY WELL EDUCATED Asian's or other Minorities are an asset to the U.S. and should stay Bannon's reply was

“When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think...” Bannon said. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”

Well It seems clear he has a problem, a problem beyond education, beyond economy,
it's question of race and culture, but not just that it's the preeminence of certain race and culture.

Trump doesn't share the views of Bannon which is good. But whose got whose ear on these issues going forward?

It's does trouble me that many on the right want to dismiss this type of discussion as just trying to LABEL "ALL" people racist. and try to dismiss the racial aspect of the movement as a sideshow or regulated to "some" therefore not worthy of serious consideration.
It bears real discussion, The themes of the broader group in general and those member of the Group SPECIFIC views and those of the group who now seem to be in close relation to power.

[Gunny]

See again we have the vague qualifications. I said major themes right? not a full capture.
So I'll put it this way, as with many movements there may be various strains and views however the unity of any movement usually turns a few themes held in common through most members in some form. the Hippies and the conservative movements for example. there's was/is no one quintessential Hippie or Conservative but in each group there are certain themes in common . But one hippy might never do drugs and work 6 days a week on a farm/commune in the country. while another may do drugs everyday and live on the streets in San Diego never working "just spreading love". But both would be considered part of the movement because of certain themes of freedom, the earth, culture music, ideas about what the gov't is like, peace, "free love" tradition, probably some shared guiding literature and leading lights and some not.

From my reading so far their seems to be a few constant themes that run through the alt-right "movement".
One is a pro nationalistic bent... of various strengths and various political forms.. but nationalism seems a widespread movement theme.
Another is some version of tribal/cultural ideals and identity... with racial/tribal unity being strength .. and being very important for a society.
Again with various expressions and a various strengths of passions and out workings from the socially mild, to the politically firm but restrained ....to politically extreme and militaristic (PLEASE NOTE! the later of which seems to be a small but vocal minority ....of unknown size).

Bannon's words to Trump clearly convey his agreement with those broad themes.

the fact that their are Jews that espouse the beliefs, or Asians or Blacks doesn't really matter , Heck many in the alt right movement might have been friendly with Malcolm X in his early years , since he a espoused racial separation as the best plan for whites and blacks. "white supremacy" or "Black supremacy" isn't a factor in some cases. Some ...as some the Alt-Right writers do... only suggest (believe with all their hearts) that 'whites' , blacks, asians and natives should be with their 'own kind' for the best outcomes socially and politically speaking.

people like Pat Buchanan have espoused a version of that type of thinking for decades. even if the Alt-Right label is "new" circa 2009 the broad themes and some of people that seem to be linked to it are not.

And again Bannon's comments seem to fit WELL with and seem representative of what i suspect the majority of the Alt-Right would agree with generally speaking.

In Response to Trumps Idea that successful VERY WELL EDUCATED Asian's or other Minorities are an asset to the U.S. and should stay Bannon's reply was

“When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think...” Bannon said. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”

Well It seems clear he has a problem, a problem beyond education, beyond economy,
it's question of race and culture, but not just that it's the preeminence of certain race and culture.

Trump doesn't share the views of Bannon which is good. But whose got whose ear on these issues going forward?

It's does trouble me that many on the right want to dismiss this type of discussion as just trying to LABEL "ALL" people racist. and try to dismiss the racial aspect of the movement as a sideshow or regulated to "some" therefore not worthy of serious consideration.
It bears real discussion, The themes of the broader group in general and those member of the Group SPECIFIC views and those of the group who now seem to be in close relation to power.

There is no question of race/culture without a mouthpiece to fabricate it. I thought you were all about the law? Yet you cry foul and demand it be disproved. You people on the left contrive crap out your butts. I'm only more aggravated by the people that react to the BS. I got a couple of ex's that can give you all kinds crap to call me and it doesn't make it true.

When you quit inventing shit there won't be any shit.

[fj1200]

...

It's does trouble me that many on the right want to dismiss this type of discussion as just trying to LABEL "ALL" people racist. and try to dismiss the racial aspect of the movement as a sideshow or regulated to "some" therefore not worthy of serious consideration.
It bears real discussion, The themes of the broader group in general and those member of the Group SPECIFIC views and those of the group who now seem to be in close relation to power.

It does but it also needs to be done with issues specifically and not categorizing generally which is going to be especially tough IMO because alt-right is so hard to define.