Drummond
02-06-2017, 08:47 PM
Though, of course, anybody is most welcome to join the debate .. this is aimed at Balu.
Balu would (and does), of course, as a patriotic Russian, happily try to 'sell' the virtues of his Motherland to us, here in the West.
Well ... I've very recently been in contact with a Russian citizen who brought to my attention just how low a wage that person was paid. In that example ... 140 dollars (after conversion) paid per month.
This made me wonder if the Russian economy only survives as it does through a systematic impoverishment of its citizens. I thought I'd do a small spot of checking. This is what I've found ...
http://www.worldsalaries.org/russia.shtml
<tbody>
Average Salary in Russia - Job and Sector Comparison.
Job
<nobr> Net Monthly Income </nobr><nobr><small>constant 2005 US$ (1)</small></nobr>
<nobr>Notes</nobr>
<nobr>Gross Monthly</nobr><nobr>Average Income <small>(2)</small></nobr>
Compulsory <nobr>Deductions <small>(3)</small></nobr>
Weekly <nobr>Hours <small>(4)</small></nobr>
<nobr>Airline Pilot</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/airlinepilot.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 2,161</nobr>
<nobr>$ 864</nobr>
Employees, men only, 2004.
27,769
roubles
13%
36.2
<nobr>Flight Attendant</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/flightattendant.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,132</nobr>
<nobr>$ 453</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
14,547
roubles
13%
36.5
<nobr>Miner</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/miner.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,052</nobr>
<nobr>$ 421</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
13,518
roubles
13%
30.0
<nobr>Engineer</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/engineer.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 813</nobr>
<nobr>$ 325</nobr>
Employees, petroleum and natural gas engineer, men, 2004.
10,445
roubles
13%
40.0
<nobr>Car Mechanic</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/carmechanic.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 627</nobr>
<nobr>$ 251</nobr>
Employees, men only, 2004.
8,059
roubles
13%
40.0
<nobr>Bus Driver</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/busdriver.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 606</nobr>
<nobr>$ 242</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
7,789
roubles
13%
40.0
<nobr>Hotel Receptionist</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/hotelreceptionist.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 594</nobr>
<nobr>$ 237</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
7,631
roubles
13%
39.8
<nobr>Carpenter</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/carpenter.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 543</nobr>
<nobr>$ 217</nobr>
Employees, men only, 2004.
6,982
roubles
13%
40.0
<nobr>Chambermaid</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/chambermaid.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 400</nobr>
<nobr>$ 160</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
5,139
roubles
13%
39.5
<nobr>Baker</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/baker.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 344</nobr>
<nobr>$ 138</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
4,423
roubles
13%
39.5
<nobr>Furniture Finisher</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/furniturefinisher.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 326</nobr>
<nobr>$ 130</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
4,191
roubles
13%
40.0
<nobr>Garment Cutter</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/garmentcutter.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 282</nobr>
<nobr>$ 113</nobr>
Employees, women only, 2004.
3,626
roubles
13%
39.1
<nobr>Postman</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/postman.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 275</nobr>
<nobr>$ 110</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
3,539
roubles
13%
38.9
<nobr>Salesperson</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/salesperson.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 230</nobr>
<nobr>$ 92</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
2,949
roubles
13%
39.0
Sector
<nobr>Financial</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/financial.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,438</nobr>
<nobr>$ 687</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
22,336
roubles
13%
<nobr>Mining-Quarrying</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/miningquarrying.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,285</nobr>
<nobr>$ 614</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
19,954
roubles
13%
<nobr>Transport-Communication</nobr>average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/transportcommunication.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 736</nobr>
<nobr>$ 352</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
11,436
roubles
13%
<nobr>Gas-Electricity-Water</nobr>average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/gaselectricitywater.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 681</nobr>
<nobr>$ 325</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
10,575
roubles
13%
32.7
<nobr>Construction</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/construction.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 571</nobr>
<nobr>$ 273</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
8,869
roubles
13%
<nobr>All Sectors</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/allsectors.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 551</nobr>
<nobr>$ 263</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
8,550
roubles
13%
<nobr>Manufacturing</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/manufacturing.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 548</nobr>
<nobr>$ 262</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
8,504
roubles
13%
31.0
<nobr>Real Estate</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/realestate.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 436</nobr>
<nobr>$ 208</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
6,769
roubles
13%
<nobr>Hotels-Restaurants</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/hotelsrestaurants.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 432</nobr>
<nobr>$ 206</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
6,704
roubles
13%
<nobr>Education</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/education.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 353</nobr>
<nobr>$ 169</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
5,478
roubles
13%
</tbody>
It's old data. BUT, is it really unrepresentative of today's abysmal Russian wage packets ?
Up to date data (unless anyone can do better ?) seems to be rather hard to pin down. Because Russian authorities would rather it wasn't generally available ?
Over to you, Balu. Granted, you may want to re-hash your tired 'it's all Western propaganda' line. But try, please, to rely instead on useful data when (if) you do respond ...
Balu would (and does), of course, as a patriotic Russian, happily try to 'sell' the virtues of his Motherland to us, here in the West.
Well ... I've very recently been in contact with a Russian citizen who brought to my attention just how low a wage that person was paid. In that example ... 140 dollars (after conversion) paid per month.
This made me wonder if the Russian economy only survives as it does through a systematic impoverishment of its citizens. I thought I'd do a small spot of checking. This is what I've found ...
http://www.worldsalaries.org/russia.shtml
<tbody>
Average Salary in Russia - Job and Sector Comparison.
Job
<nobr> Net Monthly Income </nobr><nobr><small>constant 2005 US$ (1)</small></nobr>
<nobr>Notes</nobr>
<nobr>Gross Monthly</nobr><nobr>Average Income <small>(2)</small></nobr>
Compulsory <nobr>Deductions <small>(3)</small></nobr>
Weekly <nobr>Hours <small>(4)</small></nobr>
<nobr>Airline Pilot</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/airlinepilot.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 2,161</nobr>
<nobr>$ 864</nobr>
Employees, men only, 2004.
27,769
roubles
13%
36.2
<nobr>Flight Attendant</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/flightattendant.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,132</nobr>
<nobr>$ 453</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
14,547
roubles
13%
36.5
<nobr>Miner</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/miner.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,052</nobr>
<nobr>$ 421</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
13,518
roubles
13%
30.0
<nobr>Engineer</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/engineer.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 813</nobr>
<nobr>$ 325</nobr>
Employees, petroleum and natural gas engineer, men, 2004.
10,445
roubles
13%
40.0
<nobr>Car Mechanic</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/carmechanic.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 627</nobr>
<nobr>$ 251</nobr>
Employees, men only, 2004.
8,059
roubles
13%
40.0
<nobr>Bus Driver</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/busdriver.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 606</nobr>
<nobr>$ 242</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
7,789
roubles
13%
40.0
<nobr>Hotel Receptionist</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/hotelreceptionist.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 594</nobr>
<nobr>$ 237</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
7,631
roubles
13%
39.8
<nobr>Carpenter</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/carpenter.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 543</nobr>
<nobr>$ 217</nobr>
Employees, men only, 2004.
6,982
roubles
13%
40.0
<nobr>Chambermaid</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/chambermaid.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 400</nobr>
<nobr>$ 160</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
5,139
roubles
13%
39.5
<nobr>Baker</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/baker.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 344</nobr>
<nobr>$ 138</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
4,423
roubles
13%
39.5
<nobr>Furniture Finisher</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/furniturefinisher.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 326</nobr>
<nobr>$ 130</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
4,191
roubles
13%
40.0
<nobr>Garment Cutter</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/garmentcutter.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 282</nobr>
<nobr>$ 113</nobr>
Employees, women only, 2004.
3,626
roubles
13%
39.1
<nobr>Postman</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/postman.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 275</nobr>
<nobr>$ 110</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
3,539
roubles
13%
38.9
<nobr>Salesperson</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/salesperson.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 230</nobr>
<nobr>$ 92</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
2,949
roubles
13%
39.0
Sector
<nobr>Financial</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/financial.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,438</nobr>
<nobr>$ 687</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
22,336
roubles
13%
<nobr>Mining-Quarrying</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/miningquarrying.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,285</nobr>
<nobr>$ 614</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
19,954
roubles
13%
<nobr>Transport-Communication</nobr>average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/transportcommunication.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 736</nobr>
<nobr>$ 352</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
11,436
roubles
13%
<nobr>Gas-Electricity-Water</nobr>average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/gaselectricitywater.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 681</nobr>
<nobr>$ 325</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
10,575
roubles
13%
32.7
<nobr>Construction</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/construction.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 571</nobr>
<nobr>$ 273</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
8,869
roubles
13%
<nobr>All Sectors</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/allsectors.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 551</nobr>
<nobr>$ 263</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
8,550
roubles
13%
<nobr>Manufacturing</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/manufacturing.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 548</nobr>
<nobr>$ 262</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
8,504
roubles
13%
31.0
<nobr>Real Estate</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/realestate.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 436</nobr>
<nobr>$ 208</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
6,769
roubles
13%
<nobr>Hotels-Restaurants</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/hotelsrestaurants.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 432</nobr>
<nobr>$ 206</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
6,704
roubles
13%
<nobr>Education</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/education.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 353</nobr>
<nobr>$ 169</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
5,478
roubles
13%
</tbody>
It's old data. BUT, is it really unrepresentative of today's abysmal Russian wage packets ?
Up to date data (unless anyone can do better ?) seems to be rather hard to pin down. Because Russian authorities would rather it wasn't generally available ?
Over to you, Balu. Granted, you may want to re-hash your tired 'it's all Western propaganda' line. But try, please, to rely instead on useful data when (if) you do respond ...