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04-08-2017, 08:56 AM
<header class="row_article article-header article_max">Trump’s Options for North Korea Include Placing Nukes in South Korea

by William M. Arkin, Cynthia McFadden, Kevin Monahan and Robert Windrem

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The National Security Council has presented President Donald Trump with options to respond to North Korea's nuclear program (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korean-defector-tells-lester-holt-world-should-be-ready-n741901) — including putting American nukes in South Korea or killing dictator Kim Jong-un, multiple top-ranking intelligence and military officials told NBC News.

Both scenarios are part of an accelerated review of North Korea policy prepared in advance of Trump's meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping this week.

The White House hopes the Chinese will do more (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/meet-the-press-70-years/fmr-s-korea-ambassador-solution-north-korea-china-n743521) to influence Pyongyang through diplomacy and enhanced sanctions. But if that fails, and North Korea continues its development of nuclear weapons, there are other options on the table that would significantly alter U.S. policy.
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The first and most controversial course of action under consideration is placing U.S. nuclear weapons in South Korea. The U.S. withdrew all nuclear weapons from South Korea 25 years ago. Bringing back bombs — likely to Osan Air Base, less than 50 miles south of the capital of Seoul — would mark the first overseas nuclear deployment since the end of the Cold War, an unquestionably provocative move.
"We have 20 years of diplomacy and sanctions under our belt that has failed to stop the North Korean program," one senior intelligence official involved in the review told NBC News. "I'm not advocating pre-emptive war, nor do I think that the deployment of nuclear weapons buys more for us than it costs," but he stressed that the U.S. was dealing with a "war today" situation. He doubted that Chinese and American interests coincided closely enough to find a diplomatic solution.
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</figure> "I don't think that [deploying nuclear weapons] is a good idea. I think that it will only inflame the view from Pyongyang," retired Adm. James Stavridis told NBC News. "I don't see any upside to it because the idea that we would use a nuclear weapon even against North Korea is highly unlikely."
Two military sources told NBC News that Air Force leadership doesn't necessarily support putting nuclear weapons in South Korea. As an alternative, it's been practicing long-range strikes with strategic bombers — sending them to the region for exercises and deploying them in Guam and on the peninsula as a show of force.
Mark Lippert, the former U.S, ambassador to South Korea, said nuclear deployment there is a concept that's been embraced by a growing number of Koreans.
"Some polls put it at well over 50 percent," he said. "It's something that's being debated, and support for it over time, at least at this point, is climbing."
Still, he thinks it's a bad idea, undermining the U.S. objective of a nuclear-free zone and "South Korea's moral authority toward de-nuclearization of the peninsula."
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</figure> Another option is to target and kill North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and other senior leaders in charge of the country's missiles and nuclear weapons and decision-making. Acopting such an objective has huge downsides, said Lippert, who also served as an assistant defense secretary under President Barack Obama.
"Discussions of regime change and decapitation...tend to cause the Chinese great pause of concern and tends to have them move in the opposite direction we would like them to move in terms of pressure," he said.
Stavridis, a former NATO commander, said that "decapitation is always a tempting strategy when you're faced with a highly unpredictable and highly dangerous leader."
"The question you have to ask yourself," he said, "is what happens the day after you decapitate? I think that in North Korea, it's an enormous unknown."
A third option is covert action, infiltrating U.S. and South Korean special forces into North Korea to sabotage or take out key infrastructure — for instance, blowing up bridges to block the movement of mobile missiles. The CIA, which would oversee such operations, told NBC News it could offer "no guidance" on this option. But Stavridis said that he felt it was the "best strategy" should the U.S. be forced to take military action. He described such action as: "some combination of special forces with South Korea and cyber."
Last year, South Korea announced the creation of a special operations unit called Spartan 3000 to operate behind enemy frontlines inside North Korea.
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Trump has already indicated he's open to unilateral action if China fails to rein in its ally (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-united-states-can-solve-north-korea-without-china-n741806), telling the Financial Times over the weekend, "If China is not going to solve North Korea, we will."
But on Wednesday, Gen. John Hyten, commander of U.S. Strategic Command, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that "any solution to the North Korea problem has to involve China." He said that while his job was to present "military options" to the White House, he finds it "hard ... to see a solution without China."
Related: Defense Secretary Says North Korea 'Has Got to be Stopped' (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/defense-sec-james-mattis-north-korea-has-got-be-stopped-n740966)
Still, military exercises and simulations focused on North Korea have been getting larger and more complex in recent years. In 2017 alone, these exercises have included;


"Key Resolve," a command post exercise held in March
"Foal Eagle," a peninsula-wide mobilization and logistics exercise underway now,
An anti-submarine exercise taking place this month, part of the "Silent Shark" series.
"Nimble Titan," a gigantic multinational missile defense synchronization experiment last month.

And last month, the Army announced that it would permanently station its version of the armed Predator — called Gray Eagle — on the Korean Peninsula. That follows an exercise last summer in which hunter-killer Reaper drones practiced the mock destruction of North Korean mobile missile launchers.
Since North Korea's first successful nuclear test in 2009, the United States has adopted a strategy to "slow, stop, and defeat" the North's nuclear and ballistic missile pursuits. That ranges from interdiction of supplies to interception of a ballistic missile actually in the air.
The Trump White House, through the National Security Council, asked for blue sky options in early February, a senior official told NBC on background. "Think big," the official said that the agencies were instructed. Many proposales have already been abandoned, but on the military side, sources say, the three options with the highest impact still constitute the next steps.
"It is absolutely appropriate," Stavridis said, for all contingencies to be considered. "In fact, it's mandatory for the Pentagon to present the widest possible array of options. That's what enables presidents to make the right decisions, when they see all the options on the table in front of them."






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And don't tell that THIS is the Kremlin propaganda. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif

Kathianne
04-08-2017, 08:58 AM
Your point is?

Kathianne
04-08-2017, 10:37 AM
He said it like it was a bad thing? :laugh2:

jimnyc
04-08-2017, 10:40 AM
It would be WISE to counter the little fat kid in NK at every angle possible. Even his own people state he wants to start some kind of war, or send missiles to hit SK or the USA. I wouldn't wait till it happens and then respond, the little chubby guy should be removed IMO.

Dictators over time have been removed. This guy is one of the worst. He should be hit on several fronts and then removed.

sear
04-08-2017, 11:28 AM
jc #4

Splendid.

BUT !!

There are international standards and norms on that.
Some are explicit.
Some are implicit.

The U.S. has the power to nuke Pyongyang.

And there are many millions that may believe it's overdue.

AND !!

Technically the U.S. War in Korea has not ended.

SO!!
we'd have a fig-leaf on it if we made some major move like that.

BUT !!

a) The United States of America is the only nation in the solar system that's used nuclear weapons in War.
If we initiated use of nuclear weapons on NK, it would be a stain of genocide the U.S. couldn't live down for a thousand years.

b) Without U.N. Security Council approval it would bear legitimate appearance of U.S. vigilantism.

c) It's exceedingly unlikely the U.S. would ever get U.N. Security Council approval to nuke Pyongyang UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCE.

Now if NK starts sending missiles to SK, Tokyo, etc., that may alter the equation.

But so far, pudgy-boy is mainly sabre-rattling.

Kathianne
04-08-2017, 11:40 AM
Do you really expect the US to ask the UN? Did Syria or Russia for that matter, ask about using chemical attacks?

Kathianne
04-08-2017, 12:47 PM
I'm pretty sure the commie brother in NK hasn't sought or received any permission from UN or any other country-even China-before sending its missiles willy nilly wherever they can. Not to mention the threats of nuclear hits by the commie dictator.

Black Diamond
04-08-2017, 12:47 PM
Do you really expect the US to ask the UN? Did Syria or Russia for that matter, ask about using chemical attacks?
Didn't Russia veto sanctions against Syria?

Kathianne
04-08-2017, 12:50 PM
Didn't Russia veto sanctions against Syria?

I'd have to look it up, but would be in character for its interests.

Black Diamond
04-08-2017, 12:58 PM
I'd have to look it up, but would be in character for its interests.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/01/russia-and-china-veto-un-resolution-to-impose-sanctions-on-syria

Kathianne
04-08-2017, 01:00 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/01/russia-and-china-veto-un-resolution-to-impose-sanctions-on-syria


Well then, if you knew just say so! LOL! From BD's search:


Russia and China veto UN resolution to impose sanctions on Syria

Black Diamond
04-08-2017, 01:02 PM
Well then, if you knew just say so! LOL! From BD's search:
Didn't know for sure. :cool:

sear
04-08-2017, 01:24 PM
"Do you really expect the US to ask the UN? Did Syria or Russia for that matter, ask about using chemical attacks?" K #6

"Expect"?

I don't recall having introduced the word "expect".

Syria and Russia can answer for themselves, or not.

If the U.S. exceeds the bounds of law, then the U.S. is an outlaw, by definition.

U.N. authorization isn't that tough to get.

Bush got it before he raked Iraq over the coals.

And our application is rejected, our conscience is clear. It's a "win / win".

Kathianne
04-08-2017, 01:33 PM
"Do you really expect the US to ask the UN? Did Syria or Russia for that matter, ask about using chemical attacks?" K #6

"Expect"?

I don't recall having introduced the word "expect".

Syria and Russia can answer for themselves, or not.

If the U.S. exceeds the bounds of law, then the U.S. is an outlaw, by definition.

U.N. authorization isn't that tough to get.

Bush got it before he raked Iraq over the coals.

And our application is rejected, our conscience is clear. It's a "win / win".

Many and not just those that supported Trump, feel the time for the UN 'approval' is way past. It has become a useless vestige of the past hope. Again, I did not support Trump. One serious disagreement I had and still do was his insistence that 'America first' while undermining NATO. The UN however? That is a body against US interests.

Russ
04-08-2017, 02:39 PM
jc #4

Splendid.

BUT !!

There are international standards and norms on that.
Some are explicit.
Some are implicit.

The U.S. has the power to nuke Pyongyang.

And there are many millions that may believe it's overdue.

AND !!

Technically the U.S. War in Korea has not ended.

SO!!
we'd have a fig-leaf on it if we made some major move like that.

BUT !!

a) The United States of America is the only nation in the solar system that's used nuclear weapons in War.
If we initiated use of nuclear weapons on NK, it would be a stain of genocide the U.S. couldn't live down for a thousand years.

b) Without U.N. Security Council approval it would bear legitimate appearance of U.S. vigilantism.

c) It's exceedingly unlikely the U.S. would ever get U.N. Security Council approval to nuke Pyongyang UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCE.

Now if NK starts sending missiles to SK, Tokyo, etc., that may alter the equation.

But so far, pudgy-boy is mainly sabre-rattling.

No offense, but must we have all the "BUT !!", "AND !!" and "SO !!" comments? It feels like you think you're explaining things to a bunch of second graders. Maybe it's just me...

Russ
04-08-2017, 02:42 PM
It would be WISE to counter the little fat kid in NK at every angle possible. Even his own people state he wants to start some kind of war, or send missiles to hit SK or the USA. I wouldn't wait till it happens and then respond, the little chubby guy should be removed IMO.

Dictators over time have been removed. This guy is one of the worst. He should be hit on several fronts and then removed.

Agreed. This is the worst combination - a dictator that's a psycho and has nukes, and might soon have long range missiles. This guy is literally a danger to the world, and particularly to us. We would be foolish not to have contingency plans for everything.

Gunny
04-08-2017, 05:37 PM
"Do you really expect the US to ask the UN? Did Syria or Russia for that matter, ask about using chemical attacks?" K #6

"Expect"?

I don't recall having introduced the word "expect".

Syria and Russia can answer for themselves, or not.

If the U.S. exceeds the bounds of law, then the U.S. is an outlaw, by definition.

U.N. authorization isn't that tough to get.

Bush got it before he raked Iraq over the coals.

And our application is rejected, our conscience is clear. It's a "win / win".A technical point here is that while the US certainly carried the load, the Korean War is a UN action. We are there as a UN force. The state of war exists between N and S Korea.

Elessar
04-08-2017, 06:26 PM
No offense, but must we have all the "BUT !!", "AND !!" and "SO !!" comments? It feels like you think you're explaining things to a bunch of second graders. Maybe it's just me...

One of sear's initial posts stated part of the reason for his presence is to PERSUADE!

That is working out 180º from his original intent.

Elessar
04-08-2017, 06:29 PM
Agreed. This is the worst combination - a dictator that's a psycho and has nukes, and might soon have long range missiles. This guy is literally a danger to the world, and particularly to us. We would be foolish not to have contingency plans for everything.

I am sure there are quite a few, but they will not be seen unless needed.

Black Diamond
04-08-2017, 06:30 PM
One of sear's initial posts stated part of the reason for his presence is to PERSUADE!

That is working out 180º from his original intent.
:lol:

quite true

Gunny
04-08-2017, 07:02 PM
I think need to be starting up any more crap until we deal with the issues we already have. N Korea is contained. Fatboy's looking for concessions. We're already in Afghanistan and Iraq. Let's clean up the messes we have before getting involved in something else.