Russia knew in advance of Syrian chemical attack

[jimnyc]

Russia knew in advance of Syrian chemical attack

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A senior U.S. official says the United States has concluded that Russia knew in advance of Syria's chemical weapons attack last week.

The official says a Russian-operated drone flew over a hospital in Syria as victims of the attack were rushing to get treatment.

Hours after the drone left, a Russian-made fighter jet bombed the hospital in what American officials believe was an attempt to cover up the usage of chemical weapons.

Until Monday, U.S. officials had said they weren't sure if the drone was operated by Russia or Syria. The senior official said it still wasn't clear who was flying the jet that bombed the hospital.

The official said the presence of the drone couldn't have been a coincidence, and that Russia must have known the chemical weapons attack was coming and that victims were seeking treatment.

The official wasn't authorized to speak publicly on intelligence matters and demanded anonymity.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNITED_STATES_SYRIA_MILITARY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-10-15-16-17

[pete311]

Bombing hospitals. Savages.

[Balu]

Russia knew in advance of Syrian chemical attack

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A senior U.S. official says the United States has concluded that Russia knew in advance of Syria's chemical weapons attack last week.

The official says a Russian-operated drone flew over a hospital in Syria as victims of the attack were rushing to get treatment.

Hours after the drone left, a Russian-made fighter jet bombed the hospital in what American officials believe was an attempt to cover up the usage of chemical weapons.

Until Monday, U.S. officials had said they weren't sure if the drone was operated by Russia or Syria. The senior official said it still wasn't clear who was flying the jet that bombed the hospital.

The official said the presence of the drone couldn't have been a coincidence, and that Russia must have known the chemical weapons attack was coming and that victims were seeking treatment.

The official wasn't authorized to speak publicly on intelligence matters and demanded anonymity.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNITED_STATES_SYRIA_MILITARY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-10-15-16-17

Where are the PROOFS that there was a Chemical attack?
Example - This is a PROOF the Ukrainians used 120 mm howitzers (forbidden by the Minsk Agreement) against civilians in Donbas. Where are YOURS?

http://divannaya-sotnya.com.ua/uploads/images/00/00/01/2015/01/28/d6fa29.jpg

The D-30 fires FRAG-HE and HEAT-FS variable-charge, case-type, separate-loading ammunition. The D-30 has a special nonrotating, fin-stabilized, HEAT projectile which allows it to effectively engage armored vehicles with direct fire. The HEAT round can penetrate up to 460 mm of armor at any range. Other types of projectiles include chemical, illuminating (S-462 weighing 22.4 kg), smoke (D-462 weighing 22.3 kg), leaflet, flechette, and incendiary. Recently an RAP has been introduced with a maximum range of 21900 m.

[Kathianne]

Where are the PROOFS that there was a Chemical attack?
Example - This is a PROOF the Ukrainians used 120 mm howitzers (forbidden by the Minsk Agreement) against civilians in Donbas. Where are YOURS?

http://divannaya-sotnya.com.ua/uploads/images/00/00/01/2015/01/28/d6fa29.jpg

The D-30 fires FRAG-HE and HEAT-FS variable-charge, case-type, separate-loading ammunition. The D-30 has a special nonrotating, fin-stabilized, HEAT projectile which allows it to effectively engage armored vehicles with direct fire. The HEAT round can penetrate up to 460 mm of armor at any range. Other types of projectiles include chemical, illuminating (S-462 weighing 22.4 kg), smoke (D-462 weighing 22.3 kg), leaflet, flechette, and incendiary. Recently an RAP has been introduced with a maximum range of 21900 m.


Now there is a false flag! Russia did it themselves.

[jimnyc]

Where are the PROOFS that there was a Chemical attack?

Dead people in Turkey that have tested positive for the chemicals. That's not proof enough that some chemical attack took place?

Why do YOU think they are dead? Shrapnel, and they're just claiming chemicals?

[jimnyc]

I think you have chemical weapons in more than just one place. NO DOUBT some came from Iraq, like many swore for years. And it's not like it's crazy to think Assad would use them - as he HAS already AND - why have stockpiles then?

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AP FACT CHECK: Overlooking doubts on Syria chemical weapons

WASHINGTON (AP) — In defending President Barack Obama's decision not to enforce his chemical weapons "red line" against Syria in 2013, Obama and other former officials repeatedly pointed to a U.S.-Russia agreement to remove Syrian stockpiles as proof that the president got results without resorting to a military response.

While it's true that some 1,300 tons of Syria's declared chemical weapons and precursors were removed under the agreement, serious concerns always existed that not all such armaments or production facilities were declared and destroyed or otherwise made unusable.

Those concerns, aired publicly and privately by United Nations and other officials almost since the deal was struck in September 2013 in Geneva, gained credence last week when President Donald Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian air base in retaliation for the most recent chemical weapons attack blamed on the Syrian government.

Obama administration officials, starting with the president himself, often used nuanced words in declaring the 2013 deal a success. At times, they qualified their proclamations by referring only to the removal of Syria's "declared" or "known" stocks. Other times they have been less careful, as was Obama in a "60 Minutes" interview just five days before he left office earlier this year.

Rest here - https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-overlooking-doubts-syria-chemical-weapons-182842332.html

[gabosaurus]

There are alleged documents that Moscow helped plan the attack. I doubt they will ever come out unless a Russian dissident group releases them. Despite propaganda issued by agents such as Balu, Russia is 100 percent behind Syria's attacks on its own citizens.

EDIT: This guy has a very liberal slant, but he occasionally discloses some good information.

https://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/ap-syria-russia-chemical-gas/2266/

[aboutime]

Dead people in Turkey that have tested positive for the chemicals. That's not proof enough that some chemical attack took place?

Why do YOU think they are dead? Shrapnel, and they're just claiming chemicals?


Seems pretty obvious that Balu's love for Putin might be tarnished if he ever learned that Putin doesn't want the Russian people to know the TRUTH about the Chemicals.

Comrade Balu's Propaganda machine has a SHORT CIRCUIT, or a FLAT TIRE.

[Balu]

Dead people in Turkey that have tested positive for the chemicals. That's not proof enough that some chemical attack took place?

Why do YOU think they are dead? Shrapnel, and they're just claiming chemicals?
It is a proof that they were poisoned and nothing more. Where are the proofs of chemical ATTACK BY MEANS OF SYRIAN CHEMICAL AIR-BOMBS or their missiles with chemical WARHEADS??? WHERE??? What is unclear in my question?
Do you know that chemical air-bombs have a special design and are marked?
Were is the evidence of the presence of chemical bombs at the airport depots. They WERE inspected and nothing was detected.
I wonder, how your criminal investigators work in the USA with such your approaches!? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/umnik2.gif

[Balu]

Seems pretty obvious that Balu's love for Putin might be tarnished if he ever learned that Putin doesn't want the Russian people to know the TRUTH about the Chemicals.

Comrade Balu's Propaganda machine has a SHORT CIRCUIT, or a FLAT TIRE.
OK. Give contr proof to the following statement - "Russia’s Defense Ministry said that on April 4, the Syrian air force had delivered an airstrike on the eastern outskirts of Khan Sheikhoun to destroy militant facilities used to produce chemical bombs. These bombs were sent to Iraq and were also used in Aleppo."
Can you?
May be it will seem strange for you but in Russia we widely discuss your propaganda bullshit with participation of American journalists, military experts of different armies. And your BS propaganda aimed to and accepted by dummies only, seems a complete nonsense to us as in our secondary schools we all studied such subject as "Civil Defense" and the majority served in the Army where were trained on the subject in practice. This is a difference between us and you.

[Balu]

Another Kremlin paid propagandist!

Former DIA Colonel: “US strikes on Syria based on a lie” (https://gosint.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/former-dia-colonel-us-strikes-on-a-syria-based-on-a-lie/)

Posted on April 7, 2017 (https://gosint.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/former-dia-colonel-us-strikes-on-a-syria-based-on-a-lie/) by L (https://gosint.wordpress.com/author/panam103/)
“In the coming days the American people will learn that the [US]Intelligence Community knew that Syria did not drop a military chemical weapon on innocent civilians in Idlib.”

Former DIA Colonel Patrick Lang



https://gosint.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/p-lang-dia.png?w=603&h=410 (https://gosint.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/p-lang-dia.png)

Former DIA Colonel Patrick Lang

Patrick Lang — a former DIA Colonel — does not mince words about the US attacks on Syria. Lang claims that Donald Trump’s decision to launch cruise missile strikes on a Syrian Air Force Base was based on a lie. Follow us on Twitter: @INTEL_TODAY
Patrick Lang is truly a top expert on the Middle-East. The former DIA Colonel is highly respected for his deep knowledge and absolute honesty.
[NOTE: Many years ago, Lang helped me to understand a very ‘murky’ dossier regarding Libya. I trust his analysis 100%. Last week — knowing full well that ‘the shit was going to hit the fan’ — I asked him permission to reproduce his posts on my blog. Colonel Lang kindly agreed.]
ANALYSIS by retired Col. Patrick LANG
Donald Trump’s decision to launch cruise missile strikes on a Syrian Air Force Base was based on a lie. In the coming days the American people will learn that the Intelligence Community knew that Syria did not drop a military chemical weapon on innocent civilians in Idlib. Here is what happened.


The Russians briefed the United States on the proposed target. This is a process that started more than two months ago. There is a dedicated phone line that is being used to coordinate and deconflict (i.e., prevent US and Russian air assets from shooting at each other) the upcoming operation.
The United States was fully briefed on the fact that there was a target in Idlib that the Russians believes was a weapons/explosives depot for Islamic rebels.
The Syrian Air Force hit the target with conventional weapons. All involved expected to see a massive secondary explosion. That did not happen. Instead, smoke, chemical smoke, began billowing from the site. It turns out that the Islamic rebels used that site to store chemicals, not sarin, that were deadly. The chemicals included organic phosphates and chlorine and they followed the wind and killed civilians.
There was a strong wind blowing that day and the cloud was driven to a nearby village and caused casualties.
We know it was not sarin. How? Very simple. The so-called “first responders” handled the victims without gloves. If this had been sarin they would have died. Sarin on the skin will kill you. How do I know? I went through “Live Agent” training at Fort McClellan in Alabama.

There are members of the U.S. military who were aware this strike would occur and it was recorded. There is a film record. At least the Defense Intelligence Agency knows that this was not a chemical weapon attack. In fact, Syrian military chemical weapons were destroyed with the help of Russia.
This is Gulf of Tonkin 2. How ironic. Donald Trump correctly castigated George W. Bush for launching an unprovoked, unjustified attack on Iraq in 2003. Now we have President Donald Trump doing the same damn thing. Worse in fact. Because the intelligence community had information showing that there was no chemical weapon launched by the Syrian Air Force.

Here’s the good news. The Russians and Syrians were informed, or at least were aware, that the attack was coming. They were able to remove a large number of their assets. The base the United States hit was something of a backwater. Donald Trump gets to pretend that he is a tough guy. He is not. He is a fool.
This attack was violation of international law. Donald Trump authorized an unjustified attack on a sovereign country. What is even more disturbing is that people like Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, CIA Director Mike Pompeo and NSA Director General McMaster went along with this charade. Front line troops know the truth. These facts will eventually come out. Donald Trump will most likely not finish his term as President. He will be impeached, I believe, once Congress is presented with irrefutable proof that he ignored and rejected intelligence that did not support the myth that Syria attacked with chemical weapons.

It should also alarm American taxpayers that we launched $100 million dollars of missiles to blow up sand and camel shit. The Russians were aware that a strike was coming. I’m hoping that they and the Syrians withdrew their forces and aircraft from the base. Whatever hope I had that Donald Trump would be a new kind of President, that hope is extinguished. He is a child and a moron. He committed an act of war without justification. But the fault is not his alone. Those who sit atop the NSC, the DOD, the CIA, the Department of State should have resigned in protest. They did not. They are complicit in a war crime.

About Patrick Lang
Walter Patrick “Pat” Lang, Jr. (born May 31, 1940) is a commentator on the Middle East, a retired US Army officer and private intelligence analyst, and an author. After leaving uniformed military service as a Colonel, he held high-level posts in military intelligence as a civilian. He led intelligence analysis of the Middle East and South Asia for the Defense Department and world-wide HUMINT activities in a high-level equivalent to the rank of a lieutenant general. [WIKIPEDIA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Patrick_Lang)]
https://gosint.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/former-dia-colonel-us-strikes-on-a-syria-based-on-a-lie/

Thanks to Putin again for his permission to have this info. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dance3.gif
(This translated into Russian article was found in Russian forum. I am just providing you with the original)


P.S.
By evident reasons I'll trust him rather than a housekeeper or a retired sarge with restricted (mental) abilities.
(Maybe the consequences of post traumatic syndrome?)

[Drummond]

Another Kremlin paid propagandist!

Former DIA Colonel: “US strikes on Syria based on a lie” (https://gosint.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/former-dia-colonel-us-strikes-on-a-syria-based-on-a-lie/)

Posted on April 7, 2017 (https://gosint.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/former-dia-colonel-us-strikes-on-a-syria-based-on-a-lie/) by L (https://gosint.wordpress.com/author/panam103/)
“In the coming days the American people will learn that the [US]Intelligence Community knew that Syria did not drop a military chemical weapon on innocent civilians in Idlib.”

Former DIA Colonel Patrick Lang



https://gosint.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/p-lang-dia.png?w=603&h=410 (https://gosint.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/p-lang-dia.png)

Former DIA Colonel Patrick Lang

Patrick Lang — a former DIA Colonel — does not mince words about the US attacks on Syria. Lang claims that Donald Trump’s decision to launch cruise missile strikes on a Syrian Air Force Base was based on a lie. Follow us on Twitter: @INTEL_TODAY
Patrick Lang is truly a top expert on the Middle-East. The former DIA Colonel is highly respected for his deep knowledge and absolute honesty.
[NOTE: Many years ago, Lang helped me to understand a very ‘murky’ dossier regarding Libya. I trust his analysis 100%. Last week — knowing full well that ‘the shit was going to hit the fan’ — I asked him permission to reproduce his posts on my blog. Colonel Lang kindly agreed.]
ANALYSIS by retired Col. Patrick LANG
Donald Trump’s decision to launch cruise missile strikes on a Syrian Air Force Base was based on a lie. In the coming days the American people will learn that the Intelligence Community knew that Syria did not drop a military chemical weapon on innocent civilians in Idlib. Here is what happened.


The Russians briefed the United States on the proposed target. This is a process that started more than two months ago. There is a dedicated phone line that is being used to coordinate and deconflict (i.e., prevent US and Russian air assets from shooting at each other) the upcoming operation.
The United States was fully briefed on the fact that there was a target in Idlib that the Russians believes was a weapons/explosives depot for Islamic rebels.
The Syrian Air Force hit the target with conventional weapons. All involved expected to see a massive secondary explosion. That did not happen. Instead, smoke, chemical smoke, began billowing from the site. It turns out that the Islamic rebels used that site to store chemicals, not sarin, that were deadly. The chemicals included organic phosphates and chlorine and they followed the wind and killed civilians.
There was a strong wind blowing that day and the cloud was driven to a nearby village and caused casualties.
We know it was not sarin. How? Very simple. The so-called “first responders” handled the victims without gloves. If this had been sarin they would have died. Sarin on the skin will kill you. How do I know? I went through “Live Agent” training at Fort McClellan in Alabama.

There are members of the U.S. military who were aware this strike would occur and it was recorded. There is a film record. At least the Defense Intelligence Agency knows that this was not a chemical weapon attack. In fact, Syrian military chemical weapons were destroyed with the help of Russia.
This is Gulf of Tonkin 2. How ironic. Donald Trump correctly castigated George W. Bush for launching an unprovoked, unjustified attack on Iraq in 2003. Now we have President Donald Trump doing the same damn thing. Worse in fact. Because the intelligence community had information showing that there was no chemical weapon launched by the Syrian Air Force.

Here’s the good news. The Russians and Syrians were informed, or at least were aware, that the attack was coming. They were able to remove a large number of their assets. The base the United States hit was something of a backwater. Donald Trump gets to pretend that he is a tough guy. He is not. He is a fool.
This attack was violation of international law. Donald Trump authorized an unjustified attack on a sovereign country. What is even more disturbing is that people like Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, CIA Director Mike Pompeo and NSA Director General McMaster went along with this charade. Front line troops know the truth. These facts will eventually come out. Donald Trump will most likely not finish his term as President. He will be impeached, I believe, once Congress is presented with irrefutable proof that he ignored and rejected intelligence that did not support the myth that Syria attacked with chemical weapons.

It should also alarm American taxpayers that we launched $100 million dollars of missiles to blow up sand and camel shit. The Russians were aware that a strike was coming. I’m hoping that they and the Syrians withdrew their forces and aircraft from the base. Whatever hope I had that Donald Trump would be a new kind of President, that hope is extinguished. He is a child and a moron. He committed an act of war without justification. But the fault is not his alone. Those who sit atop the NSC, the DOD, the CIA, the Department of State should have resigned in protest. They did not. They are complicit in a war crime.

About Patrick Lang
Walter Patrick “Pat” Lang, Jr. (born May 31, 1940) is a commentator on the Middle East, a retired US Army officer and private intelligence analyst, and an author. After leaving uniformed military service as a Colonel, he held high-level posts in military intelligence as a civilian. He led intelligence analysis of the Middle East and South Asia for the Defense Department and world-wide HUMINT activities in a high-level equivalent to the rank of a lieutenant general. [WIKIPEDIA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Patrick_Lang)]
https://gosint.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/former-dia-colonel-us-strikes-on-a-syria-based-on-a-lie/

Thanks to Putin again for his permission to have this info. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dance3.gif
(This translated into Russian article was found in Russian forum. I am just providing you with the original)


P.S.
By evident reasons I'll trust him rather than a housekeeper or a retired sarge with restricted (mental) abilities.
(Maybe the consequences of post traumatic syndrome?)



Well, he's presumably a little better than your last 'source' you were relying on, on a different thread (your 'InfoWars' one) ... one Scott Adams, a cartoonist and satirist .. who'd suddenly became a chemical warfare expert !! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::laugh::laugh:

Still, you've yet to explain how it is that basic chemistry was defied, purely on the strength of the almighty Russian Propaganda Machine !! Bombing Sarin stocks would ensure that the Sarin would NOT survive, as an active toxin !!!

[Balu]

Now I'll show you what I meant when speaking about the PROOFS. Language doesn't matter. See the picture. At the same time, you can assess the effectiveness of Tomahawks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfWcXkgyzio

[aboutime]

Comrade Balu. Allow me to set you straight here on your endless bragging, and repeating the Putin Propaganda...you serve so well.

If Putin tells you, and the Russian people who love him...THE SKY IS BLACK, and the BLACK SEA IS WHITE....YOU'D BELIEVE HIM.

Your problem isn't that you are passing FAKE information to us. Truth is. You are so blinded by your own lack of actual, honest intelligence from the Putin Kremlin. You think we here...in the REAL land of the Free...should believe you.

Notice: That is not gonna happen.

[Balu]

Comrade Balu. Allow me to set you straight here on your endless bragging, and repeating the Putin Propaganda...you serve so well.

If Putin tells you, and the Russian people who love him...THE SKY IS BLACK, and the BLACK SEA IS WHITE....YOU'D BELIEVE HIM.

Your problem isn't that you are passing FAKE information to us. Truth is. You are so blinded by your own lack of actual, honest intelligence from the Putin Kremlin. You think we here...in the REAL land of the Free...should believe you.

Notice: That is not gonna happen.

You should know about the existence of the Presumption of Innocence - the basis of Justice, and that ALL the accusations MUST be based and supported by PHYSICAL evidence and proofs collected in course of INVESTIGATION if you intend to remain in frames of LAW. This opinion is shared by ANY normal educated person. And DO NOT forget your and ANYBODY FREEDOM IS ALWAYS RESTRICTED by LAW domestic and international.
Judging by your post you disagree with this.

P.S.
If you were attentive you should have noticed that besides I gave the issues other than Russian. Thus you HAVE to agree that they all are Putin's propagandists. Now tell - Are they, or in your eyes only I am? http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

[Balu]

Dear aboutime,
Please do enjoy an excellent fluent Putin's American English he uses in Kremlin propaganda. Do you like it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XloUnrVSEug&feature=player_embedded


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS6Oa_aDS6E