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jimnyc
08-19-2017, 03:31 PM
Yups. isn't that the criteria? So we're told.

And #6 has been brought up already. I wonder why ANY statue of this man stands to begin with if he was a card carrying leader of the KKK. But there it sits in places, and not a peep about it needs to come down because of racism.


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If the Monuments Must Go, Don't Forget These

After the clashes in Charlottesville, a mania against Confederate monuments has swept the country. Local leaders in various states have decided to remove statues and monuments, while at least one black pastor in Chicago has called for excising even George Washington's name from public parks, and Anonymous has planned to remove 11 statues on Friday.

One plausible response is to defend the statues. Another would be to encourage the movement to go further.

Activists who cry for the removal of Confederate statues do so on the grounds that these leaders were racist, that they hurt people based on the color of their skin or their national origin. If those are the criteria, however, why stop with the Confederacy?

Racism has a long and varied history, and certainly these social justice warriors wouldn't want to defend racists, even if they were important inventors, politicians, or scientists, right?

Here are six people whose statues should be removed, if the Left insists on that sort of thing.

1. Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924).

Woodrow Wilson, America's 28th president, wasn't just a racist. As president of Princeton University, he discouraged blacks from applying for admission. His book series History of the American People defended Ku Klux Klan lynchings in the late 1860s.

....

2. Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922).

Alexander Graham Bell deserves recognition for inventing the telephone, but he was also a horrible racist. Bell served as honorary president of the Second International Eugenics Conference in New York in 1921, and led the eugenics movement during that period.

...


3. Margaret Sanger (1879-1966).

The founder of Planned Parenthood herself, Margaret Sanger, may not have been a racist exactly, but she was a classist and fellow traveler in the eugenics movement.

After World War I, she lamented that the affluent and educated limit their child-bearing, while the poor and ignorant had more children. She sought to "assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit." While she rejected race as a determining factor, she still sought to control who should and should not have children.

In a 1939 letter to black pastors, she infamously wrote, "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

....

4. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882-1945).

America's 32nd president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, may have led America through World War II against the Nazis, but he also seized and relocated hundreds of thousands of first-generation Japanese immigrants in "internment" camps.

FDR's government seized these people's assets and carted them off to camps in harsh locations. In December 1941, when Germany and Italy declared war on the U.S., many Germans and Italians were also arrested and placed in camps.

While this was a war tactic, intended to prevent espionage and sabotage, many consider it a long-lasting racist crime of discrimination against Japanese people.

...

5. J. William Fulbright (1905-1995).

Sen. J. William Fulbright (D-Ark.) supported segregation and opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. While he later repented of his racist positions, that makes him little better than Robert E. Lee (who emphatically supported the Union after the Civil War) or George Washington (who freed his slaves after his death).

Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto in opposition to the Supreme Court's ruling against segregation in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. In 1964, Fulbright joined with other southern Democrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He also voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

...

6. Robert Byrd (1917-2010).

In the early 1940s, Robert Byrd recruited 150 friends and associates to create a chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia. He became a recruiter and the leader of his chapter, and when it came time to elect the top officer (the "Exalted Cyclops") in the Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.

"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side. ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen form the wilds," Byrd wrote to segregationist Sen. Theodore G. Bilbo (D-Miss.).

In 1952, when Byrd ran for the U.S. House of Representatives, he said he lost interest in the Klan "after about a year," but he wrote a 1946 letter to a Grand Wizard praising the Klan.

Rest here - https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/08/17/if-the-monuments-must-go-dont-forget-these/

hjmick
08-19-2017, 03:32 PM
Should probably pull all Lynyrd Skynyrd music from the radio and stores...

Black Diamond
08-19-2017, 03:33 PM
Sanger isn't going anywhere. The feministas will threaten to cut a million penises off if it's torn down.

pete311
08-19-2017, 03:34 PM
No it's not the criteria. You still don't get it. Confederate heroes have no other body of work to commemorate. They are known for the slave war. Everyone else listed has beneficial accomplishments to be commended for.

Black Diamond
08-19-2017, 03:38 PM
Should probably pull all Lynyrd Skynyrd music from the radio and stores...
Forrest Gump picture score will be edited. Silence when robin wright stands on the ledge in platforms.

jimnyc
08-19-2017, 03:42 PM
No it's not the criteria. You still don't get it. Confederate heroes have no other body of work to commemorate. They are known for the slave war. Everyone else listed has beneficial accomplishments to be commended for.

So racists are OK - so long as they have done something else beneficial in their lifetime.

So racists and racism CAN be excused, apparently.

Black Diamond
08-19-2017, 03:44 PM
So racists are OK - so long as they have done something else beneficial in their lifetime.

So racists and racism CAN be excused, apparently.
Hitler took unemployment from what? 30 percent to 2 percent?

pete311
08-19-2017, 03:45 PM
So racists are OK - so long as they have done something else beneficial in their lifetime.

So racists and racism CAN be excused, apparently.

We aren't commemorating Washington for his racism. What else are we commemorating General Lee for other than his bravery in fighting for slavery?

jimnyc
08-19-2017, 03:46 PM
Hitler took unemployment from what? 30 percent to 2 percent?

See that! :thumb:

jimnyc
08-19-2017, 03:48 PM
We aren't commemorating Washington for his racism. What else are we commemorating General Lee for other than his bravery in fighting for slavery?

But IF he had done something else honorable, maybe ended up being president or something, or was similar to Washington the rest of his days, then somehow it's OK since he would have done something beneficial.

You're saying it's ok to commemorate a former KKK leader that thought blacks were mongrels.

But since he did something else beneficial, well, then its Aok and let's leave the statue be to honor the 'ol KKK coot.

pete311
08-19-2017, 03:57 PM
But IF he had done something else honorable, maybe ended up being president or something, or was similar to Washington the rest of his days, then somehow it's OK since he would have done something beneficial.

You're saying it's ok to commemorate a former KKK leader that thought blacks were mongrels.

But since he did something else beneficial, well, then its Aok and let's leave the statue be to honor the 'ol KKK coot.

You can run hypotheticals all day. In the end it's about why the person was commemorated and the sum of their accomplishments. I don't understand why you don't see the difference between the accomplishments of Washington compared to General Lee. General Lee lost a war fighting for slavery. Do we commemorate that? No, we put it in a museum for people to learn about.

jimnyc
08-19-2017, 04:05 PM
You can run hypotheticals all day. In the end it's about why the person was commemorated and the sum of their accomplishments. I don't understand why you don't see the difference between the accomplishments of Washington compared to General Lee. General Lee lost a war fighting for slavery. Do we commemorate that? No, we put it in a museum for people to learn about.

So now it's the SUM, gotcha.

So the racism by some, no matter how bad, is forgotten and ignored if the SUM of their deeds was Aok.

I DO see the difference, and I also see the racism. I didn't realize the racism somehow changed, depending on what else the person did. I thought racism was racism, and not to be excused. But now I'm learning there ARE ways to get beyond ones racism, EVEN IF they were a dang KKK leader. You can still get that monument, talking about blacks being mongrels and all, if you did some good stuff later on.

These ARE NOT hypothetical - these are real people, with real monuments, who were really really racist, or much worse. But it's treated differently. ----- and it's treated differently by those looking to bitch and whine, and most usually on the left.

Seriously, why aren't YOU calling for the Byrd monument to come down??? Let's start with just that one. Why does such a man get to have a statue remain?

pete311
08-19-2017, 04:44 PM
So now it's the SUM, gotcha.

So the racism by some, no matter how bad, is forgotten and ignored if the SUM of their deeds was Aok.

I DO see the difference, and I also see the racism. I didn't realize the racism somehow changed, depending on what else the person did. I thought racism was racism, and not to be excused. But now I'm learning there ARE ways to get beyond ones racism, EVEN IF they were a dang KKK leader. You can still get that monument, talking about blacks being mongrels and all, if you did some good stuff later on.

These ARE NOT hypothetical - these are real people, with real monuments, who were really really racist, or much worse. But it's treated differently. ----- and it's treated differently by those looking to bitch and whine, and most usually on the left.

Seriously, why aren't YOU calling for the Byrd monument to come down??? Let's start with just that one. Why does such a man get to have a statue remain?

Honestly I'd never heard of Robert Byrd before. I am not all knowing. Now that I read about him, I think it's worth debate and consideration. Again, I'd like to hear why the statue was put up in the first place. What are we commemorating him for. It appears to be in a building where other state senators statues are.

hjmick
08-19-2017, 04:52 PM
Honestly I'd never heard of Robert Byrd before. I am not all knowing. Now that I read about him, I think it's worth debate and consideration. Again, I'd like to hear why the statue was put up in the first place. What are we commemorating him for. It appears to be in a building where other state senators statues are.


Okay, I'm not trying to be an ass by asking these next questions. I simply find remarkable that someone who seems politically inquisitive has never heard of Robert Byrd...


How old are you?

Did you just recently become interested in politics? Like the last two years or so?

Black Diamond
08-19-2017, 04:58 PM
Okay, I'm not trying to be an ass by asking these next questions. I simply find remarkable that someone who seems politically inquisitive has never heard of Robert Byrd...


How old are you?

Did you just recently become interested in politics? Like the last two years or so?
Everyone knows he's a 3 time mvp from the Boston Celtics.

pete311
08-19-2017, 05:01 PM
Okay, I'm not trying to be an ass by asking these next questions. I simply find remarkable that someone who seems politically inquisitive has never heard of Robert Byrd...


How old are you?

Did you just recently become interested in politics? Like the last two years or so?

I am 34 and hate politics ;)

hjmick
08-19-2017, 05:08 PM
I am 34 and hate politics ;)


Fair enough.

aboutime
08-19-2017, 07:53 PM
Bottom line. The haters, whiners, and crybabies who are insulted, offended, and angry all the time...SIMPLY want to Change History to meet their standards of Ignorance.

High_Plains_Drifter
08-19-2017, 09:35 PM
I am 34 and hate politics ;)
Then why are you spending time a political discussion board espousing such vehement support for liberalism and the alt left?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-19-2017, 09:39 PM
Honestly I'd never heard of Robert Byrd before. I am not all knowing. Now that I read about him, I think it's worth debate and consideration. Again, I'd like to hear why the statue was put up in the first place. What are we commemorating him for. It appears to be in a building where other state senators statues are.

Yet you speak here as if you are some sage, wise IN POLITICES ETC.. WELL beyond our pitiful abilities to understand while you admit having never heard of Robert Byrd.
Good grief Charlie Brown-- never heard of Robert Byrd--mighty damn convenient when that dem hero was a damn high level KKK official.

NO WONDER YOU RUN FROM THE TRUTH SO DAMN OFTEN--YOU ARE CLUELESS AND HAVE NO REAL HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE -YET JUST LOVE TO BLATHER ON PRETENDING TO BE SOME KIND OF WELL INFORMED AND GENIUS EDUCATING WE PEONS!

YES, THAT IS A TYPICAL LIB..--TYR

BoogyMan
08-20-2017, 08:54 AM
it is is very telling that the leftists have no problem with the statue of Lennon in Seattle.



Yups. isn't that the criteria? So we're told.

And #6 has been brought up already. I wonder why ANY statue of this man stands to begin with if he was a card carrying leader of the KKK. But there it sits in places, and not a peep about it needs to come down because of racism.


--

If the Monuments Must Go, Don't Forget These

After the clashes in Charlottesville, a mania against Confederate monuments has swept the country. Local leaders in various states have decided to remove statues and monuments, while at least one black pastor in Chicago has called for excising even George Washington's name from public parks, and Anonymous has planned to remove 11 statues on Friday.

One plausible response is to defend the statues. Another would be to encourage the movement to go further.

Activists who cry for the removal of Confederate statues do so on the grounds that these leaders were racist, that they hurt people based on the color of their skin or their national origin. If those are the criteria, however, why stop with the Confederacy?

Racism has a long and varied history, and certainly these social justice warriors wouldn't want to defend racists, even if they were important inventors, politicians, or scientists, right?

Here are six people whose statues should be removed, if the Left insists on that sort of thing.

1. Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924).

Woodrow Wilson, America's 28th president, wasn't just a racist. As president of Princeton University, he discouraged blacks from applying for admission. His book series History of the American People defended Ku Klux Klan lynchings in the late 1860s.

....

2. Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922).

Alexander Graham Bell deserves recognition for inventing the telephone, but he was also a horrible racist. Bell served as honorary president of the Second International Eugenics Conference in New York in 1921, and led the eugenics movement during that period.

...


3. Margaret Sanger (1879-1966).

The founder of Planned Parenthood herself, Margaret Sanger, may not have been a racist exactly, but she was a classist and fellow traveler in the eugenics movement.

After World War I, she lamented that the affluent and educated limit their child-bearing, while the poor and ignorant had more children. She sought to "assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit." While she rejected race as a determining factor, she still sought to control who should and should not have children.

In a 1939 letter to black pastors, she infamously wrote, "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

....

4. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882-1945).

America's 32nd president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, may have led America through World War II against the Nazis, but he also seized and relocated hundreds of thousands of first-generation Japanese immigrants in "internment" camps.

FDR's government seized these people's assets and carted them off to camps in harsh locations. In December 1941, when Germany and Italy declared war on the U.S., many Germans and Italians were also arrested and placed in camps.

While this was a war tactic, intended to prevent espionage and sabotage, many consider it a long-lasting racist crime of discrimination against Japanese people.

...

5. J. William Fulbright (1905-1995).

Sen. J. William Fulbright (D-Ark.) supported segregation and opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. While he later repented of his racist positions, that makes him little better than Robert E. Lee (who emphatically supported the Union after the Civil War) or George Washington (who freed his slaves after his death).

Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto in opposition to the Supreme Court's ruling against segregation in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. In 1964, Fulbright joined with other southern Democrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He also voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

...

6. Robert Byrd (1917-2010).

In the early 1940s, Robert Byrd recruited 150 friends and associates to create a chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia. He became a recruiter and the leader of his chapter, and when it came time to elect the top officer (the "Exalted Cyclops") in the Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.

"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side. ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen form the wilds," Byrd wrote to segregationist Sen. Theodore G. Bilbo (D-Miss.).

In 1952, when Byrd ran for the U.S. House of Representatives, he said he lost interest in the Klan "after about a year," but he wrote a 1946 letter to a Grand Wizard praising the Klan.

Rest here - https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/08/17/if-the-monuments-must-go-dont-forget-these/

Black Diamond
08-20-2017, 11:22 AM
it is is very telling that the leftists have no problem with the statue of Lennon in Seattle.
That statue is actually on private property. The mayor of Seattle is going to encourage the guy to take it down.

aboutime
08-20-2017, 02:38 PM
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