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jimnyc
09-13-2017, 02:47 PM
Teflon Don confounds Democrats

Democrats tried attacking Donald Trump as unfit for the presidency. They’ve made the case that he’s ineffective, pointing to his failure to sign a single major piece of legislation into law after eight months in the job. They’ve argued that Trump is using the presidency to enrich himself and that his campaign was in cahoots with Russia.

None of it is working.

Data from a range of focus groups and internal polls in swing states paint a difficult picture for the Democratic Party heading into the 2018 midterms and 2020 presidential election. It suggests that Democrats are naive if they believe Trump’s historically low approval numbers mean a landslide is coming. The party is defending 10 Senate seats in states that Trump won and needs to flip 24 House seats to take control of that chamber.

The research, conducted by private firms and for Democratic campaign arms, is rarely made public but was described to POLITICO in interviews with a dozen top operatives who’ve been analyzing the results coming in.

“If that’s the attitude that’s driving the Democratic Party, we’re going to drive right into the ocean,” said Anson Kaye, a strategist at media firm GMMB who worked on the Obama and Clinton campaigns and is in conversations with potential clients for next year.

Worse news, they worry: Many of the ideas party leaders have latched onto in an attempt to appeal to their lost voters — free college tuition, raising the minimum wage to $15, even Medicare for all — test poorly among voters outside the base. The people in these polls and focus groups tend to see those proposals as empty promises, at best.

Pollsters are shocked by how many voters describe themselves as “exhausted” by the constant chaos surrounding Trump, and they find that there’s strong support for a Congress that provides a check on him rather than voting for his agenda most of the time. But he is still viewed as an outsider shaking up the system, which people in the various surveys say they like, and which Democrats don’t stack up well against.

“People do think he’s bringing about change, so it’s hard to say he hasn’t kept his promises,” said Democratic pollster Celinda Lake.

Rest - http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/13/teflon-trump-democrats-messaging-242607

Gunny
09-13-2017, 02:54 PM
Teflon Don confounds Democrats

Democrats tried attacking Donald Trump as unfit for the presidency. They’ve made the case that he’s ineffective, pointing to his failure to sign a single major piece of legislation into law after eight months in the job. They’ve argued that Trump is using the presidency to enrich himself and that his campaign was in cahoots with Russia.

None of it is working.

Data from a range of focus groups and internal polls in swing states paint a difficult picture for the Democratic Party heading into the 2018 midterms and 2020 presidential election. It suggests that Democrats are naive if they believe Trump’s historically low approval numbers mean a landslide is coming. The party is defending 10 Senate seats in states that Trump won and needs to flip 24 House seats to take control of that chamber.

The research, conducted by private firms and for Democratic campaign arms, is rarely made public but was described to POLITICO in interviews with a dozen top operatives who’ve been analyzing the results coming in.

“If that’s the attitude that’s driving the Democratic Party, we’re going to drive right into the ocean,” said Anson Kaye, a strategist at media firm GMMB who worked on the Obama and Clinton campaigns and is in conversations with potential clients for next year.

Worse news, they worry: Many of the ideas party leaders have latched onto in an attempt to appeal to their lost voters — free college tuition, raising the minimum wage to $15, even Medicare for all — test poorly among voters outside the base. The people in these polls and focus groups tend to see those proposals as empty promises, at best.

Pollsters are shocked by how many voters describe themselves as “exhausted” by the constant chaos surrounding Trump, and they find that there’s strong support for a Congress that provides a check on him rather than voting for his agenda most of the time. But he is still viewed as an outsider shaking up the system, which people in the various surveys say they like, and which Democrats don’t stack up well against.

“People do think he’s bringing about change, so it’s hard to say he hasn’t kept his promises,” said Democratic pollster Celinda Lake.

Rest - http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/13/teflon-trump-democrats-messaging-242607What actual law(s) that are Constitutional, did O-blah-blah sign into law? I know he rampaged around with signing statements.

Forget Obamacare, btw. It's unconstitutional. Nothing in the Constitution guarantees me the right to pay for someone else's healthcare.

Black Diamond
09-13-2017, 02:55 PM
Trump isn't going anywhere until 2025.

Gunny
09-13-2017, 03:03 PM
Trump isn't going anywhere until 2025.Speaking solely from a strategic POV, if I was a Dem, letting Trump roll over for a second term isn't such a bad thing IF they use the time to get their sh*t together. He can't get Congressional Republicans to do squat for him, regardless who likes what. Odds or good he'll lose Congress because it appears most people are sick of do-nothing RINOs.

So what's to lose? Start working on a long term strategy NOW and they can clean up in 2024. They won't. Not anymore than the Republicans have when the chance was theirs. They're all too busy trying to make a failing status quo work.

Black Diamond
09-14-2017, 12:11 AM
Speaking solely from a strategic POV, if I was a Dem, letting Trump roll over for a second term isn't such a bad thing IF they use the time to get their sh*t together. He can't get Congressional Republicans to do squat for him, regardless who likes what. Odds or good he'll lose Congress because it appears most people are sick of do-nothing RINOs.

So what's to lose? Start working on a long term strategy NOW and they can clean up in 2024. They won't. Not anymore than the Republicans have when the chance was theirs. They're all too busy trying to make a failing status quo work.
I don't think republicans will lose the house but they may lose the senate. Or maybe the recent moves by trump will get the repubs to unify.