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jimnyc
09-27-2017, 02:09 PM
I'm guessing he didn't pay attention when it came to understanding the 1st amendment, and how the military has their military code of justice. What a dumbass.

I'm not calling for a prison term. But seeing him tossed, after spending $$$, and before he even has a chance to start... and I hope it's dishonorable and messes with him for years to come.

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Communist West Point Graduate Called Mattis An ‘Evil, Vile F***’

Communist West Point graduate 2nd. Lt. Spenser Rapone called Secretary of Defense James Mattis the most “evil, vile f***” in the entire Trump administration.

After reports emerged tying Rapone to the Twitter account @punkproletarian on Monday, West Point issued a statement distancing itself from Rapone’s tweets, which included calling for political violence against the right, referring to Trump as a fascist, and openly promoting communism while in uniform. West Point also noted that Rapone’s chain of command had opened an investigation.

But one of the tweets which has so far escaped attention is Rapone denigrating Mattis in the most vulgar of terms.

In a tweet dated June 8, 2017, Rapone tweeted at a podcaster, stating: “Was so pumped for you to go in on Mattis on the latest ep. Definitely the most vile, evil fuck in the current administration.”

Not only that, but Rapone also attacked Vice President Mike Pence in a tweet from August: “Holy s*** what world do these people live in? “Mediocre and conservative?” Pence is a fucking medieval, cold-blooded killer.”

Such statements run the risk of violating Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. According to Article 88, “Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

The maximum punishment under Article 88 is dismissal from the military, forfeiture of all pay and allowances and prison for a year.

Rest - http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/27/communist-west-point-graduate-called-mattis-an-evil-vile-f/

Gunny
09-27-2017, 02:19 PM
I'm guessing he didn't pay attention when it came to understanding the 1st amendment, and how the military has their military code of justice. What a dumbass.

I'm not calling for a prison term. But seeing him tossed, after spending $$$, and before he even has a chance to start... and I hope it's dishonorable and messes with him for years to come.

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Communist West Point Graduate Called Mattis An ‘Evil, Vile F***’

Communist West Point graduate 2nd. Lt. Spenser Rapone called Secretary of Defense James Mattis the most “evil, vile f***” in the entire Trump administration.

After reports emerged tying Rapone to the Twitter account @punkproletarian on Monday, West Point issued a statement distancing itself from Rapone’s tweets, which included calling for political violence against the right, referring to Trump as a fascist, and openly promoting communism while in uniform. West Point also noted that Rapone’s chain of command had opened an investigation.

But one of the tweets which has so far escaped attention is Rapone denigrating Mattis in the most vulgar of terms.

In a tweet dated June 8, 2017, Rapone tweeted at a podcaster, stating: “Was so pumped for you to go in on Mattis on the latest ep. Definitely the most vile, evil fuck in the current administration.”

Not only that, but Rapone also attacked Vice President Mike Pence in a tweet from August: “Holy s*** what world do these people live in? “Mediocre and conservative?” Pence is a fucking medieval, cold-blooded killer.”

Such statements run the risk of violating Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. According to Article 88, “Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

The maximum punishment under Article 88 is dismissal from the military, forfeiture of all pay and allowances and prison for a year.

Rest - http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/27/communist-west-point-graduate-called-mattis-an-evil-vile-f/I would say they could go for max based on what is stated. There's also a matter of lying on his application because they pointedly as if you are or ever have been a member of a communist and/or other notable groups that preach against the US government.

This guy is obviously a moron. Typical lefty socialist that thinks he's so much smarter than everyone else he can get away with preaching sedition on a government-owned computer at West Point. He's brilliant alright:laugh:

jimnyc
09-27-2017, 02:24 PM
I would say they could go for max based on what is stated. There's also a matter of lying on his application because they pointedly as if you are or ever have been a member of a communist and/or other notable groups that preach against the US government.

This guy is obviously a moron. Typical lefty socialist that thinks he's so much smarter than everyone else he can get away with preaching sedition on a government-owned computer at West Point. He's brilliant alright:laugh:

I was wrong too, I guess it's free to go to west point? I was looking for costs and it appears free? Looks like everything is free across the board. So unfortunately, he won't be out $$$.

So long as he gets tossed.

Kathianne
09-27-2017, 05:19 PM
I was wrong too, I guess it's free to go to west point? I was looking for costs and it appears free? Looks like everything is free across the board. So unfortunately, he won't be out $$$.

So long as he gets tossed.

It's 'free' in the sense that one is committed to serving in the army for 5 years. If he doesn't serve, I believe he has to pay the bill for the education-one of the best in the US. Looking around, this is what I found:
The most recent figure I could find was one from a 2003 GAO report (GAO-03-1000) which listed the cost per USMA graduate at $349,327 for FY2002. That figure came from USMA's total yearly operating costs divided by the number of grads that year. The report also provided the figures for each of the three years prior to that, and the average cost increase each year was ~$13,000. Even if you round down to a $10,000/year increase, you're looking at a projected FY2011 cost of *roughly* $440,000 per graduate.

Black Diamond
09-27-2017, 05:22 PM
It's 'free' in the sense that one is committed to serving in the army for 5 years. If he doesn't serve, I believe he has to pay the bill for the education-one of the best in the US. Looking around, this is what I found:
Annapolis is that way. My sister in law would have had to cough up 100 grand had she tried to get out of it after her degree was completed.

aboutime
09-27-2017, 06:24 PM
One particular line from this paragraph:Although there are many cadet regulations which are related to the Honor System, the System has never outgrown its simple meaning--that a cadet will neither lie, cheat nor steal. A cadet's spoken or written word must always be acceptable without question. For their part, the authorities are careful not to use the Honor System to prevent the violation of regulations. Only if a cadet indicates by, a statement that he has complied or will comply with a particular regulation does the Honor System enter into consideration. When such a statement is made, it must, of course, be true. His statement must be proven to be true about Mattis.

http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1983/40768/docs/taylor.html

Abbey
09-27-2017, 07:46 PM
Why would he even want to go there?

Gunny
09-27-2017, 08:23 PM
It's 'free' in the sense that one is committed to serving in the army for 5 years. If he doesn't serve, I believe he has to pay the bill for the education-one of the best in the US. Looking around, this is what I found:It's 8 years. Not sure how they split it up. Your 5 could be after graduation. That would be around 8. Your commitment to the military minimum is 8 years. Used to be 6 but it changed around 80.

The difference in enlistment times that people see is how much active time you have. You can enlist for 3 years (or could) on active duty, but you will be in the Individual Ready Reserve for the remainder of the 8.

Here's another tidbit of info I'm sure many don't know ... "retired" in the military is a misnomer. My pay is officially Retired/retainer pay and they make sure you know they have the right to call you back anytime they want. When you officially "retire" at 30, they STILL let you know they can call you back anytime they want:laugh:.

During the First Gulf War, they did exactly that. They recalled "retirees" from the IRR to fill in at bases that emptied of personnel to go to the Gulf. They foze almost all promotions, retirements and EAS (end of active service) discharges for almost a year. Aug 90 - Jun 91 I believe.

I'm not sure if they can charge you (money) for washing out, regardless the circumstance. In this case, if he's facing punitive charges. Don't know how that works. I know if you enlist/reenlist for a bonus and do not complete the term of enlistment, the government will recoup the bonus.

Kathianne
09-27-2017, 08:26 PM
It's 8 years. Not sure how they split it up. Your 5 could be after graduation. That would be around 8. Your commitment to the military minimum is 8 years. Used to be 6 but it changed around 80.

The difference in enlistment times that people see is how much active time you have. You can enlist for 3 years (or could) on active duty, but you will be in the Individual Ready Reserve for the remainder of the 8.

Here's another tidbit of info I'm sure many don't know ... "retired" in the military is a misnomer. My pay is officially Retired/retainer pay and they make sure you know they have the right to call you back anytime they want. When you officially "retire" at 30, they STILL let you know they can call you back anytime they want:laugh:.

During the First Gulf War, they did exactly that. They recalled "retirees" from the IRR to fill in at bases that emptied of personnel to go to the Gulf. They foze almost all promotions, retirements and EAS (end of active service) discharges for almost a year. Aug 90 - Jun 91 I believe.

I'm not sure if they can charge you (money) for washing out, regardless the circumstance. In this case, if he's facing punitive charges. Don't know how that works. I know if you enlist/reenlist for a bonus and do not complete the term of enlistment, the government will recoup the bonus.

I saw 5 years active duty, if then don't re-up, 3 years active reserves. As you say, they can always recall in necessity.

Gunny
09-27-2017, 08:50 PM
I saw 5 years active duty, if then don't re-up, 3 years active reserves. As you say, they can always recall in necessity.Yeah, but he's an officer, so I'm at the edge of my knowledge here as I was enlisted. Officers are commissioned. I think the 3 years is up front while they're in the academy. The 5 would be after graduation. I'm guessing, but it makes sense.

I think it's 4 and 4 in the Navy. I also think if you get some really high tech skills like pilots, you have to serve 8 upon completion of the tech school. Would probably need an actual officer to explain it. Maybe CSM dealt with them enough that he could add to it.

Kathianne
09-27-2017, 09:14 PM
Yeah, but he's an officer, so I'm at the edge of my knowledge here as I was enlisted. Officers are commissioned. I think the 3 years is up front while they're in the academy. The 5 would be after graduation. I'm guessing, but it makes sense.

I think it's 4 and 4 in the Navy. I also think if you get some really high tech skills like pilots, you have to serve 8 upon completion of the tech school. Would probably need an actual officer to explain it. Maybe CSM dealt with them enough that he could add to it.

Found this:

http://dopma-ropma.rand.org/military-service-obligation.html


Military Service Obligation and Active Duty Service Obligation:

A military service obligation (MSO) refers to the total required service (active duty and reserve commitments) that an individual must serve upon accepting an appointment with a military service. The active duty service obligation (ADSO) is a specific period of active duty that an officer must serve before becoming eligible for voluntary separation or retirement.


Federal Law
10 U.S. Code § 651: The military service obligation must be set to be between 6 and 8 years for officers, and shall be set by the SECDEF. Upon release from active-duty service, officers, if qualified, shall complete any remaining MSO in the Reserve component of the Armed Forces. The MSO for initial appointment in a critically short health professional specialty may be reduced by the Service Secretary to the greater of 2 years or the period of obligated service incurred by the officer upon accepting an accession bonus.


10 U.S. Code § 653: The minimum service obligation is to be set at 6 years for all pilots and at 8 years for all fixed-wing jet aircraft pilots. The minimum service obligation for navigators and flight officers is to be set at 6 years. For members of the active component, the service obligation is a period of active duty; for members of a reserve component who completed flight training in an active duty for training status, the service obligation is a period of service in anc active status in the Selected Reserve.


10 U.S. Code § 4348, § 6959, and § 9348: Cadets obtaining appointments as officers upon graduation from the U.S. Military Academy, Naval Academy or Air Force Academy will have an ADSO of no less than 5 years.


10 U.S. Code § 2107: Graduates of an ROTC scholarship program incur a 4-year ADSO and 8-year MSO if they accept a commission as a regular officer; an 8-years MSO if they accept a commission and serve in a reserve component; or at least a 6-year MSO and up to an 8-year ADSO if they accept a commission and serve in a reserve component with at least 2 years of active duty.


10 U.S. Code § 2107a: Graduates of an Army Reserve or Army National Guard ROTC scholarship program incur an 8-year MSO in a troop program unit of the Army Reserve or Army National Guard. The TPU obligation may be amended to be an ADSO.


10 U.S. Code § 2114: Graduates of the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences incur an ADSO of at least 7 years. Those serving on active duty for less than 10 years shall serve in the Ready Reserve as follows: For active duty service less than 8 years, 6 years in the Ready Reserve. For at least 8 but less than 9 years of active duty, 4 years in the Ready Reserve. And for at least 9 years but less than 10, 2 years in the ready reserve.


Additional service obligation may be accrued for officers who take advantage of certain education and incentive pay opportunities.


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DoD Policy
DODI 1304.25: MSO in active and reserve components of the Armed Forces is set to be 8 years.


Time spent in delayed entry programs (DEP) is counted as part of this MSO, unless the member separates while in the delayed entry program. Those discharged from a DEP before entry onto active or reserve duty shall not have their time in the DEP counted as part of any MSO.


Service Secretaries may set ADSOs in accordance with the needs of their respective Services, within the provisions of law and policy noted above.


DODI 1215.08: Service Secretaries set the ADSO to be served by any ROTC scholarship recipient, to include an additional obligation equivalent to any scholarship extended beyond 4 years.


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Air Force Policy (AF Community of Practice Wiki)
AFI 36-2107: Service academy graduates incur a 5-year ADSO. AFROTC graduates incur a 4-year ADSO, or 3 years for chaplains. Officers assigned overseas must complete their tour, officers assigned to one CONUS position from another through a PCS incur a 2-year ADSO, and officers assigned to a CONUS position from overseas through a PCS incur a 1-year ADSO. Officers also incur ADSOs for various types of military and civilian schooling.


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Army Policy (Army Community of Practice Wiki)
AR350-100: Service academy graduates incur a 5-year ADSO. ROTC scholarship graduates selected for active duty incur a 4-year ADSO. Non-scholarship ROTC graduates selected for active duty incur a 3-year ADSO. Officer candidate school (OCS) graduates incur a 3-year ADSO. Direct-appointment officers who receive a call to active duty incur a 3-year ADSO. Officers assigned overseas must complete their tour, officers assigned to a life-cycle unit incur an ADSO through the completion of the unit life cycle (usually 3 years), and officers reassigned on permanent change of station from overseas to CONUS or from one CONUS location to another incur a 1-year ADSO. Officers also incur ADSOs various for various types of military and civilian schooling.


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Navy Policy (Navy Community of Practice Wiki)
OPNAVINST 1420.1B: Graduates of OCS are appointed as ensigns and incur a 4-year ADSO. Certain designators incur greater ADSOs (generally 5 years) because of required follow-on training.


NAVADMIN 257.09: Graduates of the NROTC scholarship program incur a 5-year ADSO.


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Marine Corps Policy (USMC Community of Practice Wiki)
MCO 1306.17F: Enlisted Marines who complete the NROTC scholarship program and are commissioned incur a 4-year ADSO. Enlisted Marines who graduate from a service academy incur a 5-year ADSO.

Gunny
09-27-2017, 09:21 PM
Found this:

http://dopma-ropma.rand.org/military-service-obligation.htmlI never knew the 5 years thing about officers. Of course, it never applied to me. Officer promotions are strange too. Enlisted stuff is a lot less complicated.

BoogyMan
09-27-2017, 09:31 PM
A pic of the moron in question.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10897&stc=1

Gunny
09-27-2017, 09:35 PM
I thought they taught history at West Point? Obviously there's a circuit not closing with this one.

Black Diamond
09-27-2017, 09:37 PM
I thought they taught history at West Point? Obviously there's a circuit not closing with this one.
Robert E Lee went to West Point. Shut it down.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-27-2017, 09:38 PM
THEY SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING HOW A COMMUNIST PIECE OF SHIT GOT INTO WEST POINT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Surely, must have been under the obama regime and its advancement of this nation's enemies.
Toss the ffing piece of shit out and mark him for the lying , dishonorable maggot that he is..

This is how they, libs/socialists/communists are--now entrenched in and running the dem party.
After 8 years of the traitor obama's protection, they think they are untouchable.. --Tyr

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-27-2017, 09:41 PM
A pic of the moron in question.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10897&stc=1

Is that pic real and not photo-shopped?
Hell. I'd knock that damn that worm on his worthless ass...-Tyr

BoogyMan
09-27-2017, 09:54 PM
Is that pic real and not photo-shopped?
Hell. I'd knock that damn that worm on his worthless ass...-Tyr

That is taken directly from the little dolt's Twitter feed.

aboutime
09-27-2017, 10:05 PM
THEY SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING HOW A COMMUNIST PIECE OF SHIT GOT INTO WEST POINT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Surely, must have been under the obama regime and its advancement of this nation's enemies.
Toss the ffing piece of shit out and mark him for the lying , dishonorable maggot that he is..

This is how they, libs/socialists/communists are--now entrenched in and running the dem party.
After 8 years of the traitor obama's protection, they think they are untouchable.. --Tyr


Okay folks. You want facts? Fact is. Congress critters nominate people to go to West Point, and Annapolis. Not a coincidence...that many Present day Congress members are also admitted Socialists, and Communists.
This is how that COMMIE sympathizer managed to get into West Point...IMO.
http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/watchwomanonthewall/2011/08/socialists-in-congress-with-ties-to-communist-party-usa.html

Just for starters from the above link: Bernie Sanders Democratic Socialists of America

Current Members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus

The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) was founded in 1991 by Bernie Sanders, a self-identified socialist who had recently been elected to the U.S. House of Representatives. Sanders’ CPC co-founders included House members Ron Dellums,Lane Evans, Thomas Andrews, Peter DeFazio, and Maxine Waters. The Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) was also involved in CPC’s founding and in Caucus activities thereafter; IPS continues to advise CPC on various matters to this day.


Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/watchwomanonthewall/2011/08/socialists-in-congress-with-ties-to-communist-party-usa.html#8oQDiL5dg6vpx0TQ.99http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/watchwomanonthewall/2011/08/socialists-in-congress-with-ties-to-communist-party-usa.html

Kathianne
09-29-2017, 05:43 PM
Radicalized at West Point?

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/09/28/west-point-communist-radical-investigation-military-academy-mentor/


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His mentor at USMA was Rasheed Hosein, a professor of Middle East history. He is on administrative leave and under investigation by the Army for engaging in political activity while in uniform. Hosein received a Ph.D. in Islamic history from the University of Chicago.

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jimnyc
09-29-2017, 05:52 PM
Radicalized at West Point?

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/09/28/west-point-communist-radical-investigation-military-academy-mentor/

Antifa supporting, general hating communist. Makes ya wonder WHY he is there to begin with? Definitely makes you believe that something happened after he was already enrolled. So this fits.

Gunny
09-29-2017, 08:12 PM
Antifa supporting, general hating communist. Makes ya wonder WHY he is there to begin with? Definitely makes you believe that something happened after he was already enrolled. So this fits.Infiltration. It sows distrust among the ranks. It takes away from focusing on the mission. Hard to look at where you're going looking over your shoulder.

Next logical question: How many more just like him? Only takes one cadet asking that of another and it spreads like wildfire.

Kathianne
09-29-2017, 08:55 PM
This has actually been a government problem for years and it's deep:

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2013/09/22/doj-slams-fbi-for-ties-with-cair-muslim-brotherhood/

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/268282-dhs-ordered-me-to-scrub-records-of-muslims-with-terror

Gunny
09-29-2017, 09:31 PM
This has actually been a government problem for years and it's deep:

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2013/09/22/doj-slams-fbi-for-ties-with-cair-muslim-brotherhood/

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/268282-dhs-ordered-me-to-scrub-records-of-muslims-with-terrorSure. Gangs like the Crips, Bloods, Mexican Mafia (larger more organized gangs) purposefully send people to get military experience. Where the find the people with clean enough records beats me, but they do.

The Army and the Navy are the easiest to get into and that isn't a knock on them. They are the 2 largest branches of service and playing the odds with the numbers is lot better. Prior to the information age and all the technology available today and the military ran on snail mail and paper, it was even easier.

But they want the training. They also want contacts if you can make them to get military gear. A supply clerk with a weapons shipping manifest is good thing to have as a friend (that's an example).

This guy I see as just an idiot. He tossed his own cover being a jackass. In business terms, he's a wasted investment.