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hjmick
10-16-2017, 08:55 PM
The military should take a knee and let the NFL players handle it...

Gunny
10-16-2017, 09:05 PM
You thinking of Jim Morrison's biography?

aboutime
10-16-2017, 09:06 PM
The military should take a knee and let the NFL players handle it...

That sounds exactly like what OBAMA would say, after apologizing to North Korea's little fat idiot for playing the national anthem on the VIDEO'S he watches from the U.S.:laugh:

High_Plains_Drifter
10-16-2017, 09:23 PM
I'm not so sure... maybe we should let the NBA handle it, since steel face Rodman is pie face Un's BFF.

Black Diamond
10-16-2017, 10:07 PM
I'm not so sure... maybe we should let the NBA handle it, since steel face Rodman is pie face Un's BFF.
Trump already fired Rodman. :)

LongTermGuy
10-16-2017, 10:52 PM
That sounds exactly like what OBAMA would say, after apologizing to North Korea's little fat idiot for playing the national anthem on the VIDEO'S he watches from the U.S.:laugh:
http://i.imgur.com/jw56M.gif

pete311
10-17-2017, 09:22 AM
The military should take a knee and let the NFL players handle it...

Players taking a knee aren't protesting the military. You don't get that by now?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
10-17-2017, 09:39 AM
Players taking a knee aren't protesting the military. You don't get that by now?

HEY DOOFUS, THEIR PROTEST IS A FALSE ACCUSATION AND ALSO IT CLEARLY EXHIBITS THEIR TOTAL DISRESPECT FOR THE SERVICE AND SACRIFICE OF ALL MILITARY VETERANS!

You don't get that by now----- because you hide your agreement with that(hatred and disrespect) leftist/lib/socalist/marxist/dem philosophy, IMHO.

TO ME, YOUR COMMENT MADE QUITE CLEARLY INDICATES EITHER MASSIVE IGNORANCE ,UTTER STUPIDITY AND/OR A BLATANT ATTEMPT TO DECEIVE OTHERS.

REALITY IS THAT- BRUTAL TRUTH SO OFTEN SLAYS YOUR KIND AND YOUR DUPLICITY. --Tyr

NightTrain
10-17-2017, 09:56 AM
Players taking a knee aren't protesting the military. You don't get that by now?

They are disrespecting the military, all of our veterans dead and alive, and this country.

When the National Anthem plays, you are to remove any headgear and stand with your hand over your heart. Singing is optional.

Anything else is disrespectful.

The fact that these idiots don't realize that defies belief.

If they want to go protest, then they can get themselves a pussy hat and join in the next march. Abortion Barbie has the schedule.

pete311
10-17-2017, 10:13 AM
They are disrespecting the military, all of our veterans dead and alive, and this country.

When the National Anthem plays, you are to remove any headgear and stand with your hand over your heart. Singing is optional.

Anything else is disrespectful.

The fact that these idiots don't realize that defies belief.

If they want to go protest, then they can get themselves a pussy hat and join in the next march. Abortion Barbie has the schedule.

Thank you for your opinion.

jimnyc
10-17-2017, 10:29 AM
They are disrespecting the military, all of our veterans dead and alive, and this country.

When the National Anthem plays, you are to remove any headgear and stand with your hand over your heart. Singing is optional.

Anything else is disrespectful.

Yup, that simple. Even if their intent isn't to disrespect, it still is making folks feel that way, and LOTS of them, and the players simply don't care. And they expect folks to care about them, to give a shit about whatever their message is?

NightTrain
10-17-2017, 10:41 AM
Thank you for your opinion.


My opinion? That is American Tradition.

Where were you raised? How can you be so ignorant of such basic American values, traditions and custom?

jimnyc
10-17-2017, 12:03 PM
My opinion? That is American Tradition.

Where were you raised? How can you be so ignorant of such basic American values, traditions and custom?

It's no different than someone burning or shitting on the American flag - but only as a form of protest - and then shaking your head and not understanding why others see it as disrespectful. :rolleyes:

NightTrain
10-17-2017, 01:08 PM
It's no different than someone burning or shitting on the American flag - but only as a form of protest - and then shaking your head and not understanding why others see it as disrespectful. :rolleyes:

It's a standard ploy used by all leftists. Attack every American tradition and try to change the narrative when backlash occurs.

Christmas? Check.

Thanksgiving? Check.

Columbus Day? Check.

4th of July? Check.

Patriotism? Being a self-sufficient adult? Pay your own way? Capitalism? Honor Veterans? Family values? Religion? Check, check, check.


The democrats/socialists/communists are fighting a multi-pronged war against the very fabric of America. The vitriol we see everywhere is desperation as they realize Americans have become aware of the campaign - hence, the amazing plummeting trajectory of the democrat party in the last 7 years.

Black Diamond
10-17-2017, 01:16 PM
Players taking a knee aren't protesting the military. You don't get that by now?
You and Hilary should run on that slogan. Hillary 2020: Take a knee.

Maybe Bannon is right about trump winning 400 electoral votes.

pete311
10-17-2017, 04:13 PM
My opinion? That is American Tradition.

Where were you raised? How can you be so ignorant of such basic American values, traditions and custom?

Tradition? I believe the anthem was made official in 1931. So what, before that Americans were a bunch of unpatriotic barbarians. Funny you care so deeply about a song but don't care about foreign interference in our democracy. I know the answer is what ever furthers your agenda, but it's just sad.

aboutime
10-17-2017, 04:18 PM
Tradition? I believe the anthem was made official in 1931. So what, before that Americans were a bunch of unpatriotic barbarians. Funny you care so deeply about a song but don't care about foreign interference in our democracy. I know the answer is what ever furthers your agenda, but it's just sad.


Wrong again petey. THE ONLY SAD THING HERE...is YOU. I feel sad that I contributed 30 years of my life in uniform to allow hate filled, ignorant idiots like you to HIDE behind the 1st amendment, and freely use your RIGHT NOT to remain silent...instead, showing the true face of Ignorance...petey style.

pete311
10-17-2017, 04:27 PM
Wrong again petey. THE ONLY SAD THING HERE...is YOU. I feel sad that I contributed 30 years of my life in uniform to allow hate filled, ignorant idiots like you to HIDE behind the 1st amendment, and freely use your RIGHT NOT to remain silent...instead, showing the true face of Ignorance...petey style.

Look back on all your unsolicited replies to my posts and tell me who is the hateful one.

High_Plains_Drifter
10-17-2017, 04:31 PM
It's a standard ploy used by all leftists. Attack every American tradition and try to change the narrative when backlash occurs.

Christmas? Check.

Thanksgiving? Check.

Columbus Day? Check.

4th of July? Check.

Patriotism? Being a self-sufficient adult? Pay your own way? Capitalism? Honor Veterans? Family values? Religion? Check, check, check.


The democrats/socialists/communists are fighting a multi-pronged war against the very fabric of America. The vitriol we see everywhere is desperation as they realize Americans have become aware of the campaign - hence, the amazing plummeting trajectory of the democrat party in the last 7 years.
Christianity? Check.

Morality? Check.

Individuality? Check.

Masculinity? Check.

Being WHITE? Check.

aboutime
10-17-2017, 04:34 PM
Look back on all your unsolicited replies to my posts and tell me who is the hateful one.


No need to look back. We all know....YOU ARE. If you have any questions. Start telling the truth, and being honest WITH YOURSELF first. Nothing here on this forum is UNSOLICITED....that's why it's a forum. If you can't stand being told the truth. LEAVE.

High_Plains_Drifter
10-17-2017, 04:35 PM
Tradition? I believe the anthem was made official in 1931. So what, before that Americans were a bunch of unpatriotic barbarians. Funny you care so deeply about a song but don't care about foreign interference in our democracy. I know the answer is what ever furthers your agenda, but it's just sad.
America isn't a democracy... sorry.

We are a constitutional republic.

Think you can remember that?

LongTermGuy
10-17-2017, 05:03 PM
Players taking a knee aren't protesting the military. You don't get that by now?


​Besides the flag...and the military...they are taking a anti-police knee.... supporting Thugs on a "hand up dont shoot" proven Lie...only low-info thugs...and deceitful Leftist buy the agenda driven...anti-America Bull-shit...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0LcM5QtUqHA/VQ9sETS-JxI/AAAAAAAACAo/0WugsQCmy4s/s1600/hands%2Bup%2Bdon't%2Bshoot%2Blie.jpg
Many Low-info blacks support the lie....Leftist fuel the fire...with the racial inequality garbage...


Americans ...understand it was a lie...
http://theamericanfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/latinos-for-trump-5346-900x400.jpghttp://www.wnd.com/2015/12/hands-up-dont-shoot-the-lie-that-wont-die/

hjmick
10-17-2017, 05:09 PM
Players taking a knee aren't protesting the military. You don't get that by now?


Go buy a fucking sense of humor.

pete311
10-17-2017, 05:16 PM
America isn't a democracy... sorry.

We are a constitutional republic.

Think you can remember that?

Oh look a wannabe history major.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/14/the-united-states-is-both-a-republic-and-a-democracy-because-democracy-is-like-cash/


And indeed the American form of government has been called a “democracy” by leading American statesmen and legal commentators from the Framing on. It’s true that some Framing-era commentators made arguments that distinguished “democracy” and “republic”; see, for instance, The Federalist (No. 10) (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed10.asp), though even that first draws the distinction between “pure democracy” and a “republic,” only later just saying “democracy.” But even in that era, “representative democracy” was understood as a form of democracy, alongside “pure democracy”: John Adams used the term “representative democracy” (http://books.google.com/books?id=YGUSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=%22in+a+simple+or+representative+democracy+but+ by+consent+of+the+majority%22&source=bl&ots=n8CmlhN3ZE&sig=ekBM4Ghfdy69XTh2qaep8LohzbU&hl=en&ei=ZY-_S4bjG4LjnAeV9tT3CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22in%20a%20simple%20or%20representative%20democ racy%20but%20by%20consent%20of%20the%20majority%22&f=false) in 1794; so did Noah Webster in 1785 (http://books.google.com/books?id=VzcFAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=%22a+representative+democracy+seems+therefore+t o+be+the+most+perfect+system%22&source=bl&ots=3la7zHFWC5&sig=Pe6rW90KWvN6JKJkGiDk4i2f3yg&hl=en&ei=xo-_S5rKKYqFnQeB5P2ICg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA); so did St. George Tucker in his 1803 edition of Blackstone (http://www.constitution.org/tb/t1d03000.htm); so did Thomas Jefferson in 1815 (http://books.google.com/books?id=8S0-AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA252&dq=%22representative+democracy%22+inauthor:thomas+ inauthor:jefferson&lr=&num=100&as_brr=0&cd=6#v=onepage&q=%22representative%20democracy%22%20inauthor%3Ath omas%20inauthor%3Ajefferson&f=false). Tucker’s Blackstone likewise uses “democracy” to describe a representative democracy, even when the qualifier “representative” is omitted.


But there is no basis for saying that the United States is somehow “not a democracy, but a republic.” “Democracy” and “republic” aren’t just words that a speaker can arbitrarily define to mean something (e.g., defining democracy as “a form of government in which all laws are made directly by the people”). They are terms that have been given meaning by English speakers more broadly. And both today and in the Framing era, “democracy” has been generally understood to include representative democracy as well as direct democracy.

pete311
10-17-2017, 05:18 PM
Go buy a fucking sense of humor.

Maybe you should because clearly you are not funny.

pete311
10-17-2017, 05:19 PM


Americans ...understand it was a lie...
http://theamericanfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/latinos-for-trump-5346-900x400.jpghttp://www.wnd.com/2015/12/hands-up-dont-shoot-the-lie-that-wont-die/

David Clarke is a joke who resigned in disgrace where people died in his jail from dehydration.

LongTermGuy
10-17-2017, 05:24 PM
David Clarke is a joke who resigned in disgrace where people died in his jail from dehydration.


Liberalism...an anti-American cancer of deceit..twist lies and Ignorance...Americans finally understood that from the last election from all the FAKE polls...lies..smear and and stupidity...The Liberal sheep / Lemmings were in shock when Mr Trump won...

Black Diamond
10-17-2017, 05:38 PM
David Clarke is a joke who resigned in disgrace where people died in his jail from dehydration.
How many died at Benghazi because of Clinton ? And she lost to a "joke"

pete311
10-17-2017, 05:39 PM
How many died at Benghazi because of Clinton ? And she lost to a "joke"

You continue to falsely assume I am a Clinton fan.

aboutime
10-17-2017, 05:43 PM
Oh look a wannabe history major.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/14/the-united-states-is-both-a-republic-and-a-democracy-because-democracy-is-like-cash/


petey. Using the Known..FAKE NEWS SOURCE washington Compost to convince us here is almost like you admitting you sleep with a Blow Up TRANNY Doll.

Your endless hatred, and ignorance precedes your every typed word here.

pete311
10-17-2017, 06:01 PM
petey. Using the Known..FAKE NEWS SOURCE washington Compost to convince us here is almost like you admitting you sleep with a Blow Up TRANNY Doll.

Your endless hatred, and ignorance precedes your every typed word here.

Now you my friend are hilarious. Pure comedy!

Gunny
10-17-2017, 07:28 PM
Players taking a knee aren't protesting the military. You don't get that by now?Players taking a knee ARE disrespecting the military. You don't get that by now?

Gunny
10-17-2017, 07:30 PM
Maybe you should because clearly you are not funny.Actually Petey ol boy ... he IS funny. YOU on the other hand seem quite devoid of the aforementioned sense of humor.

NightTrain
10-17-2017, 07:30 PM
Tradition? I believe the anthem was made official in 1931. So what, before that Americans were a bunch of unpatriotic barbarians. Funny you care so deeply about a song but don't care about foreign interference in our democracy. I know the answer is what ever furthers your agenda, but it's just sad.

I didn't stutter, son. Tradition.

1891, West Point :


Toward the close of his speech Burrows said, "Sol diers should not be heedless to the sentiment of their
songs and to the music of their bands. ... I would
like to see every true American, soldier or citizen,
when he hears the grand notes of our National air,
rise to his feet in patriotic recognition and uncover."


Almost instantly the band began to play the "Star
Spangled Banner," and Colonel Wilson, the Superin
tendent, and the entire battalion of cadets responded
to Burrows patriotic suggestion by springing to their
feet with a common impulse, which action was followed
by every person in the audience, and all stood
with bowed heads until the last note had ceased. It
was an impressive sight, and attracted much public
attention. Later, as a result of Senator Burrows agi
tation, the Army Regulations were made to prescribe
this action, but it required no legislation to have the
custom become universally popular. To Burrows,
then, belongs the credit of first suggesting what has
now become an unwritten law of the Nation.

https://via.hypothes.is/https://archive.org/stream/burrowsmichigan02orcurich/burrowsmichigan02orcurich_djvu.txt#annotations:EbJ pzmmxEee3EbdPuTvPoQ

Checkmate, chump.

Not surprising that a leftist marxist like you would attempt to cast doubt on the legitimacy of a bona-fide American Tradition.

Tell me, Petey : Where did you get your socialist indoctrination? Were your parents commies or did you get corrupted in college?

Gunny
10-17-2017, 07:37 PM
David Clarke is a joke who resigned in disgrace where people died in his jail from dehydration.He did not resign in disgrace, and it wasn't over any inmates dying of dehydration. He resigned because he was tired of trying to do a job for ungrateful pussies.

Guess we know where you fall.

aboutime
10-17-2017, 07:39 PM
Now you my friend are hilarious. Pure comedy!

Thanks. But you outdo all of my Pure Comedy, by ten-fold with your ignorance, Hatred, and arrogance that makes us all laugh...AT YOU.

Face it petey. No matter how hard you try. You can't win anything here, except the prize for not understanding how dumb you sound.
<img src="https://rlv.zcache.com/1st_prize_for_stupidity_postcard-rb552952899634f2aa17e1233706369d5_vgbaq_8byvr_324. jpg">

<img src="http://www.hembeck.com/Images/Petey/PeteyLogo.jpg">

hjmick
10-17-2017, 08:09 PM
Players taking a knee ARE disrespecting the military. You don't get that by now?


To be fair, I do not believe that was ever the intent of the kneeling, to disrespect the military, the flag, or anything else. Just my opinion so...

Fact of the matter is, Kaepernick was sitting prior to his kneeling, which to my mind is worse. He started kneeling after he had a meeting with Nate Boyer, ex-Green Beret and former long snapper for the Seahawks...

"We sorta came to a middle ground where he would take a knee alongside his teammates," Boyer says. "Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave, you know, to show respect. When we're on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security." (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-nate-boyer-got-colin-kaepernick-to-go-from-sitting-to-kneeling/) (Good article, BTW)

At this point, however, I believe that all that was being protested has gone out the window. Why? Because the kneeling and such didn't start en masse until Trump started flapping his gums about the issue. After that and going forward, they're protesting Trump. I don't care what any of them may say to the contrary, anyone who wasn't doing it before Trump uttered those words but did it and continues to do it after, they have zero credibility.


Well, that's my opinion anyway...

pete311
10-17-2017, 08:20 PM
He did not resign in disgrace, and it wasn't over any inmates dying of dehydration. He resigned because he was tired of trying to do a job for ungrateful pussies.

Guess we know where you fall.

I live where he was sheriff. I think I know the story.

NightTrain
10-17-2017, 08:23 PM
I live where he was sheriff. I think I know the story.

You also claimed that no one in WI (seeing as how you live there and all) weren't talking about the Packers taking a knee. That sure wasn't accurate of you, was it?

pete311
10-17-2017, 08:28 PM
I didn't stutter, son. Tradition.

1891, West Point :



https://via.hypothes.is/https://archive.org/stream/burrowsmichigan02orcurich/burrowsmichigan02orcurich_djvu.txt#annotations:EbJ pzmmxEee3EbdPuTvPoQ

Checkmate, chump.

Not surprising that a leftist marxist like you would attempt to cast doubt on the legitimacy of a bona-fide American Tradition.

Tell me, Petey : Where did you get your socialist indoctrination? Were your parents commies or did you get corrupted in college?

Demanding one follows some tradition sounds more like North Korea than America. Or do you not really believe in liberty?

pete311
10-17-2017, 08:29 PM
You also claimed that no one in WI (seeing as how you live there and all) weren't talking about the Packers taking a knee. That sure wasn't accurate of you, was it?

No one? Well that is a setup where you'll link me to a story says a few outraged people.

NightTrain
10-17-2017, 08:34 PM
No one? Well that is a setup where you'll link me to a story says a few outraged people.


Don't need one. I have a ton of family in WI, and High Plains Drifter lives there as well : everyone was talking about it.

You seem to have a penchant for lying when it doesn't suit your narrative, amirite?

NightTrain
10-17-2017, 08:37 PM
Demanding one follows some tradition sounds more like North Korea than America. Or do you not really believe in liberty?


Dismissing universal American Tradition in order to promote anti-American sentiment smacks of a socialist lemming doing Soros' bidding.

I note that you don't like to talk about your socialist indoctrination. We all know you're a commie, just come out with it so we can discuss where you went wrong and how it could have all been prevented.

pete311
10-17-2017, 08:38 PM
Don't need one. I have a ton of family in WI, and High Plains Drifter lives there as well : everyone was talking about it.

You seem to have a penchant for lying when it doesn't suit your narrative, amirite?

Cool, 12 people out of 6m were outraged. Ask someone who lives in a town bigger than my neighborhood.

pete311
10-17-2017, 08:39 PM
Dismissing universal American Tradition in order to promote anti-American sentiment smacks of a socialist lemming doing Soros' bidding.

I note that you don't like to talk about your socialist indoctrination. We all know you're a commie, just come out with it so we can discuss where you went wrong and how it could have all been prevented.

I really need to make a DP Bingo card.

LongTermGuy
10-17-2017, 08:42 PM
I live where he was sheriff. I think I know the story.


Just like you and all the other Leftist "knew the story" that Hillary would win...until reality and Truth set in....Your own Liberal (leftist) media Lied to you...You should change your news sources......because they are still Lying to you...have poor memories and continue on the road to Fail....Leftist radical fools ... black lies matter...and black power fist in the air racist really do hate America..the military...the Police and dont mind "Kneeling" to show their destain and hatred toward America while they are "on the job" .....

pete311
10-17-2017, 09:50 PM
just like you and all the other leftist "knew the story" that hillary would win...until reality and truth set in....your own liberal (leftist) media lied to you...you should change your news sources......because they are still lying to you...have poor memories and continue on the road to fail....leftist radical fools ... Black lies matter...and black power fist in the air racist really do hate america..the military...the police and dont mind "kneeling" to show their destain and hatred toward america while they are "on the job" .....

bingo!

aboutime
10-17-2017, 09:55 PM
bingo!



Thanks again petey. Thanks for showing your educational level in using 5 letter words so carefully placed in the order that doesn't confuse you, or distract from your stupidity.

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Gunny
10-17-2017, 09:56 PM
To be fair, I do not believe that was ever the intent of the kneeling, to disrespect the military, the flag, or anything else. Just my opinion so...

Fact of the matter is, Kaepernick was sitting prior to his kneeling, which to my mind is worse. He started kneeling after he had a meeting with Nate Boyer, ex-Green Beret and former long snapper for the Seahawks...

"We sorta came to a middle ground where he would take a knee alongside his teammates," Boyer says. "Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave, you know, to show respect. When we're on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security." (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-nate-boyer-got-colin-kaepernick-to-go-from-sitting-to-kneeling/) (Good article, BTW)

At this point, however, I believe that all that was being protested has gone out the window. Why? Because the kneeling and such didn't start en masse until Trump started flapping his gums about the issue. After that and going forward, they're protesting Trump. I don't care what any of them may say to the contrary, anyone who wasn't doing it before Trump uttered those words but did it and continues to do it after, they have zero credibility.


Well, that's my opinion anyway...

My opinion? They're acting like children and what they are protesting is being told what to do. Maybe they ought to look over their contracts. They all sign personal conduct clauses and most definitely abiding by NFL rules is in them. Standing for the National Anthem is an NFL rules.

And I KNEW that p*ssy Goodell would cave. Now he thinks he's running social studies for disgruntled blacks or ones who just want to show their asses and rebel. Pro football is a game. I completely agree Trump just made everything a thousand times worse by opening his mouth. It is not the business of the President to run the NFL nor should he be using his position of authority to try an sway an outcome based on his personal preference.

But Gooddell needs to just resign. For someone who is so hard line about rules right down to the PSI in a football, he sure turned into Jell-o on this one.

It's going to boil down to whether or not the fans continue the heat. The NFL is losing money over this. The owners are losing money and THAT is what matters. If those holding out against the NFL keep it up or increase in numbers, it's going to affect the whole game because it affects the money. Wonder where those players think the money comes from. Less income = less pay and/or less employees.

LongTermGuy
10-18-2017, 12:34 AM
To be fair, I do not believe that was ever the intent of the kneeling, to disrespect the military, the flag, or anything else. Just my opinion so...

Fact of the matter is, Kaepernick was sitting prior to his kneeling, which to my mind is worse. He started kneeling after he had a meeting with Nate Boyer, ex-Green Beret and former long snapper for the Seahawks...

"We sorta came to a middle ground where he would take a knee alongside his teammates," Boyer says. "Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave, you know, to show respect. When we're on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security." (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-nate-boyer-got-colin-kaepernick-to-go-from-sitting-to-kneeling/) (Good article, BTW)

At this point, however, I believe that all that was being protested has gone out the window. Why? Because the kneeling and such didn't start en masse until Trump started flapping his gums about the issue. After that and going forward, they're protesting Trump. I don't care what any of them may say to the contrary, anyone who wasn't doing it before Trump uttered those words but did it and continues to do it after, they have zero credibility.


Well, that's my opinion anyway...



The Flag...America...the Police....is hated by thugs and Black lies matter..all based on the hands up dont shoot lie (how it all started)....Kneeling shows their dis-like....The left has worked very hard to keep the low-info fools on the Plantation and keep getting their votes....No one Kneels for the black on black crime...black on white crimes...black on police execution crimes....


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Thugs dont like Police...they want free reign to do their thing....Police are part of America...law and order...the Flag...."yes we can" Thugs feel entitled....

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Thugs have no understanding of the words like...Yes sir...yes mame...no sir no mame....Thugs are always loud....arrogant and violent....again...back to the word "entitled"....its cooler to fight...disrespect..and get loud with police...it earns respect from the other brothers and sisters on the Leftist "run" plantation.....Thugs are to stupid to live a normal life like a normal human beings.....with that mentality...things will always happen to Thugs....and then...they complain....but never a peep...about black on black killings and black on white killings...
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>>>>> Lets go back in time....


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Black Diamond
10-18-2017, 01:34 AM
:laugh:

good to have you back long term guy.

High_Plains_Drifter
10-18-2017, 06:20 AM
Oh look a wannabe history major.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/14/the-united-states-is-both-a-republic-and-a-democracy-because-democracy-is-like-cash/
Oh look, a progtard using an ultra leftist fake news rag as a source. Time to school another prog I guess, who thinks the facts are something he can ignore...

... so let's start out with the "PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE." Have you ever said the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, Pete? I wouldn't be one damn bit surprised if you said no. In case you haven't, there's a passage in the pledge that says, "and to the REPUBLIC, for which it stands." Did you get that? Does it say, "and to the DEMOCRACY, for which it stands?" No, no it doesn't. It says, "and to the REPUBLIC."

Moving on... and without using any leftist word games used in some leftist hacks opinion on some radical leftist website, we'll just be using the FACTS...

http://www.thisnation.com/question/011.html

Is the United States a democracy?


The Pledge of Allegiance (http://www.thisnation.com/library/songs/pledge.html) includes the phrase: "and to the republic for which it stands." Is the United States of America a republic? I always thought it was a democracy? What's the difference between the two?


The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10 (http://www.thisnation.com/library/books/federalist/10.html)).


By popular usage, however, the word "democracy" come to mean a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power. In this sense the United States might accurately be called a democracy. However, there are examples of "pure democracy" at work in the United States today that would probably trouble the Framers of the Constitution if they were still alive to see them. Many states allow for policy questions to be decided directly by the people by voting on ballot initiatives or referendums. (Initiatives originate with, or are initiated by, the people while referendums originate with, or are referred to the people by, a state's legislative body.) That the Constitution does not provide for national ballot initiatives or referendums is indicative of the Framers' opposition to such mechanisms. They were not confident that the people had the time, wisdom or level-headedness to make complex decisions, such as those that are often presented on ballots on election day.


Writing of the merits of a republican or representative form of government, James Madison observed that one of the most important differences between a democracy and a republic is "the delegation of the government [in a republic] to a small number of citizens elected by the rest." The primary effect of such a scheme, Madison continued, was to:
. . . refine and enlarge the public views by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations. Under such a regulation it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the same purpose (Federalist No. 10 (http://www.thisnation.com/library/books/federalist/10.html)).
Later, Madison elaborated on the importance of "refining and enlarging the public views" through a scheme of representation:
There are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice and truth can regain their authority over the public mind(Federalist (http://www.thisnation.com/library/books/federalist/63.html) No. 63 (http://www.thisnation.com/library/books/federalist/63.html)).


In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance (http://www.thisnation.com/library/songs/pledge.html) but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV (http://www.thisnation.com/library/constitution.html#ArticleIV), Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.

pete311
10-18-2017, 09:19 AM
I never claimed we were a pure democracy. I know the democracy vs republic debate already. However, even as a republic the US has democratic functions and that is what I am referring to. However after some more researching it appears we are not quite acting like a republic either. Looks more and more like a plutocracy. Even then we have democratic functions.

High_Plains_Drifter
10-18-2017, 10:12 AM
I never claimed we were a pure democracy. I know the democracy vs republic debate already. However, even as a republic the US has democratic functions and that is what I am referring to. However after some more researching it appears we are not quite acting like a republic either. Looks more and more like a plutocracy. Even then we have democratic functions.
Now that I can almost agree with. We are, to some extent, a plutocracy. I think lobbying is an example of that.

And holding a public referendum vote would be an example of a democratic process... mob rule.

My point was, that America was founded and intended to be a republic, not a mob rule democracy.