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pete311
11-03-2017, 07:53 PM
Trump administration releases report finding ‘no convincing alternative explanation’ for climate change
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/11/03/trump-administration-releases-report-finds-no-convincing-alternative-explanation-for-climate-change/

darin
11-04-2017, 07:27 AM
its so funny how such highly educated people are so fucking dumb...their desire for power and control drives reports like this. I know the data will destroy this report soon enough as something created by ideologues

High_Plains_Drifter
11-04-2017, 07:35 AM
Humans cause Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter?

NightTrain
11-04-2017, 09:55 AM
Sounds like there's a few more hacks that need to be dismissed.

I, for one, am grateful for their auto-lasering for the targeting. More taxpayer money being wasted and that needs to be remedied.

aboutime
11-04-2017, 07:50 PM
Trump administration releases report finding ‘no convincing alternative explanation’ for climate change
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/11/03/trump-administration-releases-report-finds-no-convincing-alternative-explanation-for-climate-change/


So, how bout all those Climate Change, Blame the Humans, Al Gore Fans find a way for all of the Humans on Earth to STOP Exhaling....and Flatulating?

And, those who make the never-ending noise, or blame game on Global Warming & Climate Change....VOLUNTEER to become the FIRST of the human race to Do a
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Little-Acorn
11-04-2017, 09:09 PM
U.S. Report Says Humans Cause Climate Change

Trump administration releases report finding ‘no convincing alternative explanation’ for climate change
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/11/03/trump-administration-releases-report-finds-no-convincing-alternative-explanation-for-climate-change/

Did the report offer any proof of this idea that man is a major cause of climate change? Or just the usual conclusions-without-proof that the Global Whatever hoaxsters have been handing us for the last 45 years?

This is really one of the sillier announcements I've heard lately. "Since we don't understand what causes climate change, we're going to pick one explanation, announce that no one has convinced us otherwise, and then conclude that the explanation we picked must be the right one."

I heard a report from unnamed sources that pete311 was the mystery accomplice at the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas, who helped the shooter move all the guns in and then took away the hard drive for his computer.

Proof? Nope. But I can find "no convincing alternative explanation" to this report. So, by the above logic, pete311 must be the guilty party.

Gunny
11-04-2017, 10:00 PM
Did the report offer any proof of this idea that man is a major cause of climate change? Or just the usual conclusions-without-proof that the Global Whatever hoaxsters have been handing us for the last 45 years?

This is really one of the sillier announcements I've heard lately. "Since we don't understand what causes climate change, we're going to pick one explanation, announce that no one has convinced us otherwise, and then conclude that the explanation we picked must be the right one."

I heard a report from unnamed sources that pete311 was the mystery accomplice at the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas, who helped the shooter move all the guns in and then took away the hard drive for his computer.

Proof? Nope. But I can find "no convincing alternative explanation" to this report. So, by the above logic, pete311 must be the guilty party.Answer: It's a billion dollar industry based on some kook reading Chicken Little one too many times. Admitting it's a sham would put a LOT of people out of business. Be about the same as admitting institutional racism is a sham. Too many people wouldn't be able to ride our tax dollars into the sunset.

pete311
11-04-2017, 10:09 PM
Did the report offer any proof of this idea that man is a major cause of climate change?

Maybe you should read it

aboutime
11-04-2017, 10:33 PM
No wonder he makes no sense, and constantly puts anyone, and everything down in such negative tones. He defends everything that HE cannot prove with anything, other than some strange justification from others who defend strange things in order to get recognized...and GET ATTENTION.

So petey. Why don't you start right here on DP? Start telling all of us LESSER folks you look down on, and perpetually patronize with hypothetical BS...the answers to all of the problems you defend so much?

Ya know? Like...what is petey's remedy to stop CLIMATE CHANGE, and GLOBAL WARMING claims?
After all. You seem so dedicated to being the superstar of having all the answers.

But...since you rarely...if ever....bother to actually answer questions without using another question to obfuscate, and hide actually providing knowledgeable answers.
I suppose...asking you anything here is a waste of time.

pete311
11-04-2017, 10:58 PM
No wonder he makes no sense, and constantly puts anyone, and everything down in such negative tones. He defends everything that HE cannot prove with anything, other than some strange justification from others who defend strange things in order to get recognized...and GET ATTENTION.

So petey. Why don't you start right here on DP? Start telling all of us LESSER folks you look down on, and perpetually patronize with hypothetical BS...the answers to all of the problems you defend so much?

Ya know? Like...what is petey's remedy to stop CLIMATE CHANGE, and GLOBAL WARMING claims?
After all. You seem so dedicated to being the superstar of having all the answers.

But...since you rarely...if ever....bother to actually answer questions without using another question to obfuscate, and hide actually providing knowledgeable answers.
I suppose...asking you anything here is a waste of time.

Nope, just linking to an interesting study

High_Plains_Drifter
11-05-2017, 10:51 AM
The climate has changed here. It changed from Summer to Fall, and I promise I didn't have anything to do with it.

pete311
11-05-2017, 11:25 AM
The climate has changed here. It changed from Summer to Fall, and I promise I didn't have anything to do with it.

As if scientists who work their entire lives on this aren't aware of seasonal and local temps. You are at a preschool level on this.

NightTrain
11-05-2017, 11:28 AM
As if scientists who work their entire lives on this aren't aware of seasonal and local temps. You are at a preschool level on this.


You and I have been over this, Petey.

Temperature fluctuations are caused by that big hot glowy thing in the sky and our wobbling orbit around it.

pete311
11-05-2017, 11:36 AM
You and I have been over this, Petey.

Temperature fluctuations are caused by that big hot glowy thing in the sky and our wobbling orbit around it.

omg, give this man the nobel prize! Again, think scientists aren't aware of the sun? Seriously, for fucks sake man. Read the report.

pete311
11-05-2017, 11:42 AM
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/executive-summary/

"Many lines of evidence demonstrate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. Over the last century, there are no convincing alternative explanations supported by the extent of the observational evidence. Solar output changes and internal natural variability can only contribute marginally to the observed changes in climate over the last century, and there is no convincing evidence for natural cycles in the observational record that could explain the observed changes in climate. (Very high confidence)"

Gunny
11-05-2017, 11:51 AM
As if scientists who work their entire lives on this aren't aware of seasonal and local temps. You are at a preschool level on this.Hardly. The fact is, it is as I stated in my previous post. A billion dollar industry to "prove" that climate change is man-made. What is man-made is the manufacture of an issue that has been present throughout the history of the Earth -- cyclical climate change in the Earth's temperature.

Once again, Man's arrogance comes into play, assuming he matters. Using FACTUAL science alone, it refutes the junk science of "man-made global climate change". The Earth has been an ocean, a swamp, and had an Ice Age and NOT ONE MAN was present during ANY of it. Yet, the planet's climate changed without us. The simplicity of the actual geological facts boggles the mind when you look at all the people who believe the crap, to include delusional scientists who actually fall for their own hype. Minus the sheeple being sold an Edsel and the delusional, you have nothing left but salesmen making a buck off naivete.

Then there are the plain old dipshits like Al Gore. His electric bill alone will support a whole town. He assuages his guilt by purchasing "carbon credits". Well, doesn't THAT just make it all right? Al wants to hold the rest of the world to a higher standard while purchasing with human coinage a separate set of rules that in NO WAY lessen his impact on the environment. And the bridge-buyers go for it. "Al's okay. He paid his man-made money to some men to day he was". Brilliant.

pete311
11-05-2017, 11:52 AM
Hardly. The fact is, it is as I stated in my previous post. A billion dollar industry to "prove" that climate change is man-made. What is man-made is the manufacture of an issue that has been present throughout the history of the Earth -- cyclical climate change in the Earth's temperature.

This report is from the Trump administration. Cyclical change has been ruled out. Read the report in the past post.

High_Plains_Drifter
11-05-2017, 12:34 PM
As if scientists who work their entire lives on this aren't aware of seasonal and local temps. You are at a preschool level on this.
I know "scientists" have been up to big tricks fudging numbers and outright lying about GLOBAL WARMING.

Yeah that's right GLOBAL WARMING. You progtards had to play your name change game with GLOBAL WARMING too didn't ya, because after all, who can deny CLIMATE CHANGE, since the climate does change, it's called SEASONS.

Go pound sand, idiot.

NightTrain
11-05-2017, 12:47 PM
This report is from the Trump administration. Cyclical change has been ruled out. Read the report in the past post.


Interesting.

So, suddenly you're on board with the Trump Administration and accept that what they say is beyond reproach, yes?

Attaboy, Petey. I knew you'd abandon your rabid marxist leanings sooner or later when a few breakers started clicking on.

Now it's time to boot the trannies from our Military, build the wall, deport all illegals, cut those taxes, boot moochers off welfare, stop voting fraud, finish stacking the SCOTUS & Fed Courts with conservative justices and put a few moonbats in jail, whattayasay?

Oh, and of course, finish winning the war on ISIS... but that's almost done now, so you'll just have to be happy for the rest of us that were rooting for the good guys before your enlightenment. :thumb:

jimnyc
11-05-2017, 01:13 PM
This report is from the Trump administration.

Which person, specifically, from the Trump administration was it that wrote this?

It's not like Trump has changed any stance, or changed his position, whether prior to or after this report. Honestly not sure about anyone else in his admin. Point being, continually pointing this out doesn't give it any more weight.

In fact, the leading director for the (USGCR) came into the position in 2015 - prior to Trump.

Another point being - It doesn't appear that this has anything to do with the administrations in the WH - unless one wants to point out that the man in charge came about when Obama's administration was around. :)

Gunny
11-05-2017, 02:47 PM
This report is from the Trump administration. Cyclical change has been ruled out. Read the report in the past post.Who ruled it out? The aforementioned shysters getting paid billions to prove it's true? There's no money in proving it isn't true, not to mention once they did, they'd be on the unemployment line.

The Trump Administration saying it holds no ice with me. He's for "fixing" Obamacare too, instead of having it declared Unconstitutional in its entirety because Constitutional or not, people want their promised freebies even if they aren't really getting any. The fact is, the scam has grown so large that proving it to be the scam it is would devastate the economy.

In the meantime, the "do-gooders" NEVER mention Asia/SE Asia/SW Asia as the world's worst polluters. We got nothing on them. Yet US citizens should suffer. Just like all the other fearmongering crap we buy. Nothing new but the name.

aboutime
11-05-2017, 03:00 PM
In many posts, if you pay attention to petey. Everything Trump, and anyone around him says...."Has to be a Lie!"
So, petey comes here and ironically now tells us HE BELIEVES information from someone in the Trump admin, or Trump???

You want it both ways petey? Start answering our questions..HONESTLY instead of using the DNC Talking Points manual for the Perpetually Ignorant Liberals.

pete311
11-05-2017, 07:00 PM
I know "scientists" have been up to big tricks fudging numbers and outright lying about GLOBAL WARMING.

Yeah that's right GLOBAL WARMING. You progtards had to play your name change game with GLOBAL WARMING too didn't ya, because after all, who can deny CLIMATE CHANGE, since the climate does change, it's called SEASONS.

Go pound sand, idiot.

These are Trump admin scientists. You have no more ammo in that excuse.

pete311
11-05-2017, 07:02 PM
Which person, specifically, from the Trump administration was it that wrote this?

It's not like Trump has changed any stance, or changed his position, whether prior to or after this report. Honestly not sure about anyone else in his admin. Point being, continually pointing this out doesn't give it any more weight.

In fact, the leading director for the (USGCR) came into the position in 2015 - prior to Trump.

Another point being - It doesn't appear that this has anything to do with the administrations in the WH - unless one wants to point out that the man in charge came about when Obama's administration was around. :)

Why would Trump's stance matter. He's not a scientist. Anyone who works under Trump, works for Trump. Lots of heads had to okay the report to be published.

pete311
11-05-2017, 07:03 PM
Who ruled it out?

The report. See my previous post. They discuss it.

Gunny
11-05-2017, 07:08 PM
The report. See my previous post. They discuss it.Not that hard to just answer a simple question. I'm not going to read pages of a report that says exactly what the snake oil salesman wants it to, only to reaffirm my position. I don't need to be convinced.

I just can't ever get used to how many people there are that will buy snake oil.

aboutime
11-05-2017, 07:11 PM
Not that hard to just answer a simple question. I'm not going to read pages of a report that says exactly what the snake oil salesman wants it to, only to reaffirm my position. I don't need to be convinced.

I just can't ever get used to how many people there are that will buy snake oil.

You gotta remember Gunny. Petey boy isn't known for EVER answering any questions.
That might disclose his total lack of intelligence...then, where would he be???

pete311
11-05-2017, 07:16 PM
Not that hard to just answer a simple question. I'm not going to read pages of a report that says exactly what the snake oil salesman wants it to, only to reaffirm my position. I don't need to be convinced.

I just can't ever get used to how many people there are that will buy snake oil.

https://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/executive-summary/

"Many lines of evidence demonstrate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. Over the last century, there are no convincing alternative explanations supported by the extent of the observational evidence. Solar output changes and internal natural variability can only contribute marginally to the observed changes in climate over the last century, and there is no convincing evidence for natural cycles in the observational record that could explain the observed changes in climate. (Very high confidence)"

Gunny
11-05-2017, 07:37 PM
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/executive-summary/

"Many lines of evidence demonstrate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. Over the last century, there are no convincing alternative explanations supported by the extent of the observational evidence. Solar output changes and internal natural variability can only contribute marginally to the observed changes in climate over the last century, and there is no convincing evidence for natural cycles in the observational record that could explain the observed changes in climate. (Very high confidence)"Like I said ...

So ... according to the report,the universe is not affecting the Earth's climate, the ants that inhabit it do. That's more of an "extremely UNLIKELY" to me.

pete311
11-05-2017, 09:46 PM
Like I said ...

So ... according to the report,the universe is not affecting the Earth's climate, the ants that inhabit it do. That's more of an "extremely UNLIKELY" to me.

Here is what you do gunny. Go into your garage. Close it. Turn the car on. See how long you last and tell me it's the universe causing you to choke.

aboutime
11-05-2017, 10:23 PM
Here is what you do gunny. Go into your garage. Close it. Turn the car on. See how long you last and tell me it's the universe causing you to choke.


Great idea for you to try petey. So tell us. How often do you WALK down the Interstate, or walk to the other side of your state without using, or creating CO2?
HINT: Either way..if you exhale..you are damaging the environment. Which do you choose to hide your hypocrisy?

pete311
11-05-2017, 10:26 PM
Great idea for you to try petey. So tell us. How often do you WALK down the Interstate, or walk to the other side of your state without using, or creating CO2?
HINT: Either way..if you exhale..you are damaging the environment. Which do you choose to hide your hypocrisy?

hypocrisy? when did I claim to be carbon negative or even neutral?

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 01:48 AM
These are Trump admin scientists. You have no more ammo in that excuse.
I couldn't care less who you think these people are, the point is, it's your GLOBAL WARMING BS.

Sorry, I don't buy into that conspiracy theory garbage.

darin
11-06-2017, 01:55 AM
I tell ya what - tempers sure flare up when faced with disagreement. We don't have to be always so quick to attack.

Gunny
11-06-2017, 10:35 AM
Here is what you do gunny. Go into your garage. Close it. Turn the car on. See how long you last and tell me it's the universe causing you to choke.Okay. Where have I stated I don't believe in man-made pollution WITHIN Man's control? I am, as a matter of fact, quite against unnecessary pollution. And I say "unnecessary" because no matter WHAT exists, it impacts its environment. I'm not against minimizing it as much as possible.

At the same time, reality dictates that we are going to affect our environment. I am also well-aware $ dictates a lot of it. That doesn't excuse buying off on some quackery fix that is just one more gimmick to separate you from your dollars.

It also has little do with the topic, but a LOT to do with YOU. This id the second thread where you have placed Man above the God you think doesn't exist. Science is great at explaining Man within the limitations of Man's intellect and scope. When science attempts to explain things outside it's aforementioned purview, you get unsubstantiated opinions that most defy the very laws of science they claim to support.

We impact our environment? Sure. We're even a blip on the radar of controlling the Earth's place in the Universe? Not. And "studies", especially scientific and medical ones always support the position they looking for, but never quite seem to come up with a cure. A cure means end of the road for that gravy train.

pete311
11-06-2017, 10:39 AM
Okay. Where have I stated I don't believe in man-made pollution WITHIN Man's control? I am, as a matter of fact, quite against unnecessary pollution. And I say "unnecessary" because no matter WHAT exists, it impacts its environment. I'm not against minimizing it as much as possible.

At the same time, reality dictates that we are going to affect our environment. I am also well-aware $ dictates a lot of it. That doesn't excuse buying off on some quackery fix that is just one more gimmick to separate you from your dollars.

It also has little do with the topic, but a LOT to do with YOU. This id the second thread where you have placed Man above the God you think doesn't exist. Science is great at explaining Man within the limitations of Man's intellect and scope. When science attempts to explain things outside it's aforementioned purview, you get unsubstantiated opinions that most defy the very laws of science they claim to support.

We impact our environment? Sure. We're even a blip on the radar of controlling the Earth's place in the Universe? Not. And "studies", especially scientific and medical ones always support the position they looking for, but never quite seem to come up with a cure. A cure means end of the road for that gravy train.

C02 is the pollution that impacts climate change the most. Don't mix science and politics. The research is on climate change, not controlling the earth's place in the universe, whatever that means.

Gunny
11-06-2017, 10:51 AM
C02 is the pollution that impacts climate change the most. Don't mix science and politics. The research is on climate change, not controlling the earth's place in the universe, whatever that means.I'm not mixing science and politics. You did. Thread title ring a bell? Where you attempted to use the fact the report came from somewhere in the Trump Admin as somehow giving credence to man-made global climate change to all us "rightwingers"?

C02 is the waste product of all mammals and is required for plants to live. Get rid of either one and you kill the other. If you want to lessen your impact on the environment, jump off the planet. Take a buddy with you (preferably an office-holding Democrat :) ).

Again, man-made global warming and man-made environmental impact are not the same things and no REAL evidence supports the latter causing the former.

pete311
11-06-2017, 10:59 AM
I'm not mixing science and politics. You did. Thread title ring a bell? Where you attempted to use the fact the report came from somewhere in the Trump Admin as somehow giving credence to man-made global climate change to all us "rightwingers"?

C02 is the waste product of all mammals and is required for plants to live. Get rid of either one and you kill the other. If you want to lessen your impact on the environment, jump off the planet. Take a buddy with you (preferably an office-holding Democrat :) ).

Again, man-made global warming and man-made environmental impact are not the same things and no REAL evidence supports the latter causing the former.

I don't know how you keep responding to this thread while still refusing to read the report. I'm done with you until you do.

NightTrain
11-06-2017, 11:03 AM
C02 is the pollution that impacts climate change the most.


Ummm... no, Petey.

Want to take another stab at it?

pete311
11-06-2017, 11:11 AM
Ummm... no, Petey.

Want to take another stab at it?

"The magnitude of climate change beyond the next few decades will depend primarily on the amount of greenhouse gases (especially carbon dioxide) emitted globally"
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/executive-summary/

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 11:23 AM
"The magnitude of climate change...
You mean GLOBAL WARMING.

Why did you leftists have to change the name?

pete311
11-06-2017, 11:28 AM
You mean GLOBAL WARMING.

Why did you leftists have to change the name?

First, this report is from trump admin scientists. Second, no, climate change is effected by global warming. They are not the same thing.

NightTrain
11-06-2017, 11:30 AM
"The magnitude of climate change beyond the next few decades will depend primarily on the amount of greenhouse gases (especially carbon dioxide) emitted globally"
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/executive-summary/


I don't know how many times I have to spank you on your Global Warming nonsense, but whatever.



CO2, by definition, has a GWP of 1 regardless of the time period used, because it is the gas being used as the reference. CO2 remains in the climate system for a very long time: CO2 emissions cause increases in atmospheric concentrations of CO2 that will last thousands of years.



Methane (CH4) is estimated to have a GWP of 28–36 over 100 years (Learn why EPA's U.S. Inventory of Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks uses a different value.). CH4 emitted today lasts about a decade on average, which is much less time than CO2. But CH4 also absorbs much more energy than CO2. The net effect of the shorter lifetime and higher energy absorption is reflected in the GWP. The CH4 GWP also accounts for some indirect effects, such as the fact that CH4 is a precursor to ozone, and ozone is itself a GHG.



Nitrous Oxide (N2O) has a GWP 265–298 times that of CO2 for a 100-year timescale. N2O emitted today remains in the atmosphere for more than 100 years, on average.



Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs), perfluorocarbons (PFCs), and sulfur hexafluoride (SF6) are sometimes called high-GWP gases because, for a given amount of mass, they trap substantially more heat than CO2. (The GWPs for these gases can be in the thousands or tens of thousands.)

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/understanding-global-warming-potentials



Read up, little fella.

pete311
11-06-2017, 11:36 AM
I don't know how many times I have to spank you on your Global Warming nonsense, but whatever.



CO2, by definition, has a GWP of 1 regardless of the time period used, because it is the gas being used as the reference. CO2 remains in the climate system for a very long time: CO2 emissions cause increases in atmospheric concentrations of CO2 that will last thousands of years.



Methane (CH4) is estimated to have a GWP of 28–36 over 100 years (Learn why EPA's U.S. Inventory of Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks uses a different value.). CH4 emitted today lasts about a decade on average, which is much less time than CO2. But CH4 also absorbs much more energy than CO2. The net effect of the shorter lifetime and higher energy absorption is reflected in the GWP. The CH4 GWP also accounts for some indirect effects, such as the fact that CH4 is a precursor to ozone, and ozone is itself a GHG.



Nitrous Oxide (N2O) has a GWP 265–298 times that of CO2 for a 100-year timescale. N2O emitted today remains in the atmosphere for more than 100 years, on average.



Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs), perfluorocarbons (PFCs), and sulfur hexafluoride (SF6) are sometimes called high-GWP gases because, for a given amount of mass, they trap substantially more heat than CO2. (The GWPs for these gases can be in the thousands or tens of thousands.)

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/understanding-global-warming-potentials



Read up, little fella.

I guess we're debating semantics now on my usage of the word "impact". It's well known C02 is not by molecule the most harmful greenhouse gas. However the sheer amount of it in the atmosphere is what makes it at this time the greatest contributor to global warming. Thus my quote from the trump admin study.

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 11:38 AM
First, this report is from trump admin scientists.
Well wait a minute now... didn't you just get done telling Gunny NOT to mix politics with global warming?


Second, no, climate change is effected by global warming. They are not the same thing.
I don't know who you think you're fooling, but certainly not me. It's nothing more than your leftist name change game.

GLOBAL WARMING = CLIMATE CHANGE
CLIMATE CHANGE = GLOBAL WARMING

You held your focus groups and dreamt up a new name for GLOBAL WARMING because that name wasn't getting you all anywhere, so you needed to call it something else that wasn't as descriptive, and didn't immediately expose you people for who you are, so botta bing, botta boom, GLOBAL WARMING is now CLIMATE CHANGE, and we all know the climate does change, so who can argue with that... GENIUS.

Sorry... no... you people aren't fooling anyone other than those of you who were buying this snake oil garbage in the first place.

NightTrain
11-06-2017, 11:39 AM
As incredibly smart, wise and well informed as you are, a reasonable person would think you'd know more about it.

pete311
11-06-2017, 11:41 AM
As incredibly smart, wise and well informed as you are, a reasonable person would think you'd know more about it.

Lots to learn in life. Very complex stuff. I leave most of it to the experts as should you.

pete311
11-06-2017, 11:42 AM
Well wait a minute now... didn't you just get done telling Gunny NOT to mix politics with global warming?


I don't know who you think you're fooling, but certainly not me. It's nothing more than your leftist name change game.

GLOBAL WARMING = CLIMATE CHANGE
CLIMATE CHANGE = GLOBAL WARMING

You held your focus groups and dreamt up a new name for GLOBAL WARMING because that name wasn't getting you all anywhere, so you needed to call it something else that wasn't as descriptive, and didn't immediately expose you people for who you are, so botta bing, botta boom, GLOBAL WARMING is now CLIMATE CHANGE, and we all know the climate does change, so who can argue with that... GENIUS.

Sorry... no... you people aren't fooling anyone other than those of you who were buying this snake oil garbage in the first place.

It's not hard. Global warming causes climate change.

NightTrain
11-06-2017, 11:44 AM
Lots to learn in life. Very complex stuff. I leave most of it to the experts as should you.

There's your primary problem, Petey.

I think for myself.

At the risk of being ironic, may I invite you to think for yourself?

Skimming moonbat forums for trolling ideas leaves you painted in a box every time you try it because you don't understand the subject matter and are just parroting what some other moonbat commented on with a copy/paste. What was the definition of insanity, again?

pete311
11-06-2017, 11:50 AM
There's your primary problem, Petey.

I think for myself.

At the risk of being ironic, may I invite you to think for yourself?

Skimming moonbat forums for trolling ideas leaves you painted in a box every time you try it because you don't understand the subject matter and are just parroting what some other moonbat commented on with a copy/paste. What was the definition of insanity, again?

It's pretty arrogant to think I can be an expert in climate science, economics, mathematics, english, tax law, astrophysics, real estate, civil engineering, brain surgery, AI programming, psychology, etc etc etc. Wow you are impressive to have PhD depth in all areas of life. You don't have to rely on any external information because you know it all and can think your way through everything. Seriously incredible. Congrats! You must be a trillionare because you are a master in the stock market. btw, why did you not retire as a general in service? Didn't you know everything about military strategy and tactics? Don't tell me you had to learn anything from your superiors. Are you telling me they knew things you didn't?

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 11:53 AM
It's not hard. Global warming causes climate change.
Sorry... but no, don't want to play your games.

Climate change is your new name for global warming, and if it wasn't, you'd all still be calling it global warming. You changed the name for a reason. The same reason you call illegal aliens, undocumented immigrants, and homos, gay, etc. It's what you people do.

But maybe you could explain why the Antarctica ice sheet hasn't declined in the last 100 years, and is in fact growing.

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 11:55 AM
It's pretty arrogant to think I can be an expert in climate science, economics, mathematics, english, tax law, astrophysics, real estate, civil engineering, brain surgery, AI programming, psychology, etc etc etc. Wow you are impressive to have PhD depth in all areas of life. You don't have to rely on any external information because you know it all and can think your way through everything. Seriously incredible. Congrats! You must be a trillionare because you are a master in the stock market. btw, why did you not retire as a general in service? Didn't you know everything about military strategy and tactics? Don't tell me you had to learn anything from your superiors. Are you telling me they knew things you didn't?
..... wow.

pete311
11-06-2017, 11:57 AM
Sorry... but no, don't want to play your games.

Climate change is your new name for global warming, and if it wasn't, you'd all still be calling it global warming. You changed the name for a reason. The same reason you call illegal aliens, undocumented immigrants, and homos, gay, etc. It's what you people do.

But maybe you could explain why the Antarctica ice sheet hasn't declined in the last 100 years, and is in fact growing.

The thread is about the study. Read it, if you have questions, ask them.

NightTrain
11-06-2017, 12:03 PM
It's pretty arrogant to think I can be an expert in climate science, economics, mathematics, english, tax law, astrophysics, real estate, civil engineering, brain surgery, AI programming, psychology, etc etc etc. Wow you are impressive to have PhD depth in all areas of life. You don't have to rely on any external information because you know it all and can think your way through everything. Seriously incredible. Congrats! You must be a trillionare because you are a master in the stock market. btw, why did you not retire as a general in service? Didn't you know everything about military strategy and tactics? Don't tell me you had to learn anything from your superiors. Are you telling me they knew things you didn't?


Well, yes, you are very arrogant, Petey. Unjustified, I'm afraid.

You don't have to be an expert and still arrive at the correct conclusion if you're willing to study the subject at hand objectively, something you've endlessly demonstrated that you're incapable of. You have your uninformed opinion and you'll twist & distort in a desperate attempt to justify it - and when we dive in for factual backup, you're lacking every single time. It's very funny.

This is a common shortcoming of moonbats, and why they get wrecked in debates all over the internet daily. They love to do just like you do as I described above in my last post, and it never works out if there is someone halfway intelligent observing the regurgitated nonsense. It certainly doesn't fly around here.

What is the definition of insanity, again?

pete311
11-06-2017, 12:05 PM
Well, yes, you are very arrogant, Petey. Unjustified, I'm afraid.

You don't have to be an expert and still arrive at the correct conclusion if you're willing to study the subject at hand objectively, something you've endlessly demonstrated that you're incapable of. You have your uninformed opinion and you'll twist & distort in a desperate attempt to justify it - and when we dive in for factual backup, you're lacking every single time. It's very funny.

This is a common shortcoming of moonbats, and why they get wrecked in debates all over the internet daily. They love to do just like you do as I described above in my last post, and it never works out if there is someone halfway intelligent observing the regurgitated nonsense. It certainly doesn't fly around here.

What is the definition of insanity, again?

Impressive that you are smarter than hundreds of trump admin climate scientists. Well done! I'm out to lunch. peace

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 12:05 PM
The thread is about the study. Read it, if you have questions, ask them.
"Study?" The thread title says it's about humans causing global warming, so I asked you a question pertaining to global warming, and now you want to talk about studying... hmmm... :rolleyes:

pete311
11-06-2017, 12:06 PM
"Study?" The thread says it's about humans causing global warming, so I asked you a question pertaining to global warming, and now you want to talk about studying... hmmm... :rolleyes:
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 12:08 PM
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/
So, you don't know... OK... you could have just said so.

pete311
11-06-2017, 12:12 PM
So, you don't know... OK... you could have just said so.
I'm not a climatologist, go find one, and ask them. This thread is a discussion about the study I just linked you.

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 12:28 PM
I'm not a climatologist, go find one, and ask them. This thread is a discussion about the study I just linked you.
So right off the bat this "study" indicates "loss of ice," but yet I asked you if you could explain how the ice pack in Antarctica has grown, and you can't answer that.

That's all. How does the Antarctic ice pack grow if the planet is warming?

Or is the "study" more fake science and lying about the numbers?

pete311
11-06-2017, 01:19 PM
So right off the bat this "study" indicates "loss of ice," but yet I asked you if you could explain how the ice pack in Antarctica has grown, and you can't answer that.

That's all. How does the Antarctic ice pack grow if the planet is warming?

Or is the "study" more fake science and lying about the numbers?

Why do you keep asking me? I told you I'm not a climatologist. Use google or contact a scientist at your local college. You question is well known. You don't have some nugget of "gotcha" information.

Here let me help you
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=antarctic+sea+ice+has+been+growing

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 01:28 PM
Why do you keep asking me? I told you I'm not a climatologist. Use google or contact a scientist at your local college. You question is well known. You don't have some nugget of "gotcha" information.

Here let me help you
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=antarctic+sea+ice+has+been+growing
You're not a climatologist and can't answer that question, yet you act as though you are a climatologist when it comes to pushing this global warming BS.

You just keep handing out examples of your hypocrisy and double standards like candy.

Ya next time I need to make ice again, I'll put the trays next to one of my heat vents in the house instead of in the freezer. Since it works that way according you global warming people, it should work in my house too, and I can even lie about it and say it worked.

pete311
11-06-2017, 01:36 PM
You're not a climatologist and can't answer that question, yet you act as though you are a climatologist when it comes to pushing this global warming BS.

You just keep handing out examples of your hypocrisy and double standards like candy.

Ya next time I need to make ice again, I'll put the trays next to one of my heat vents in the house instead of in the freezer. Since it works that way according you global warming people, it should work in my house too, and I can even lie about it and say it worked.

I act like a climatologist because I trust a study put out by climatologists? ok buddy

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 02:16 PM
I act like a climatologist because I trust a study put out by climatologists? ok buddy
Yup... you trust it alright... even this stuff...

https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records (https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records)

Former NOAA Scientist Confirms Colleagues Manipulated Climate Records


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/02/07/federal-scientist-cooked-climate-change-books-ahead-obama-presentation-whistle-blower-charges.html

Federal scientist cooked climate change books ahead of Obama presentation, whistle blower charges


http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/02/06/whistleblower-noaa-scientists-manipulated-temperature-data-to-hype-global-warming/

Fed Whistleblower: NOAA Scientists Manipulated Temperature Data To Hype ‘Global Warming’

pete311
11-06-2017, 02:31 PM
Yup... you trust it alright... even this stuff...

https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records (https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records)

Former NOAA Scientist Confirms Colleagues Manipulated Climate Records


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/02/07/federal-scientist-cooked-climate-change-books-ahead-obama-presentation-whistle-blower-charges.html

Federal scientist cooked climate change books ahead of Obama presentation, whistle blower charges


http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/02/06/whistleblower-noaa-scientists-manipulated-temperature-data-to-hype-global-warming/

Fed Whistleblower: NOAA Scientists Manipulated Temperature Data To Hype ‘Global Warming’

Trump's people are in now

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 02:37 PM
Trump's people are in now
........... :laugh:

aboutime
11-06-2017, 03:40 PM
Even if that U.S. Report says Humans cause Climate Change. What are YOU gonna do about it? Other than joining the rest of the Conspiracy Junkies who find something to BLAME for everything...Everyday?

NightTrain
11-06-2017, 07:12 PM
Impressive that you are smarter than hundreds of trump admin climate scientists. Well done! I'm out to lunch. peace


Oh, and another thing, Petey : Those scientists are 0bama era holdover hacks.

So you can dispense with your dishonest "From the Trump Admin, hyuck!" antics.

No one is taking this seriously, as I'm sure you've surmised by now.

aboutime
11-06-2017, 07:23 PM
Oh, and another thing, Petey : Those scientists are 0bama era holdover hacks.

So you can dispense with your dishonest "From the Trump Admin, hyuck!" antics.

No one is taking this seriously, as I'm sure you've surmised by now.

That's funny petey. Most of us have known you've been OUT TO LUNCH since you first came here. Still not up to answering any questions? How predictable can you get?

Black Diamond
11-06-2017, 07:51 PM
Oh, and another thing, Petey : Those scientists are 0bama era holdover hacks.

So you can dispense with your dishonest "From the Trump Admin, hyuck!" antics.

No one is taking this seriously, as I'm sure you've surmised by now.
So it's like saying trumps judge let bergdahl off with a slap on the wrist.

High_Plains_Drifter
11-06-2017, 09:15 PM
So it's like saying trumps judge let bergdahl off with a slap on the wrist.
And like saying president Trump's judge in Hawaii put a halt to his immigration ban.

Black Diamond
11-06-2017, 09:24 PM
And like saying president Trump's judge in Hawaii put a halt to his immigration ban.
:laugh: Even better.