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High_Plains_Drifter
11-08-2017, 11:32 PM
I am NOT a COMMIE, and I'm not a SOCIALIST, but DAMN... I read an article like this and I'm just left thinking... WTF...

Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffett are richer than poorest half of USInstitute for Policy Studies warns of a ‘moral crisis’ and says Trump tax change proposals will exacerbate disparities.

The three richest people in the US – Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffett (https://www.theguardian.com/business/warrenbuffett) – own as much wealth as the bottom half of the US population, or 160 million people.

Analysis of the wealth of America’s richest people found that Gates, Bezos and Buffett were sitting on a combined $248.5bn (£190bn) fortune. The Institute for Policy Studies said the growing gap between rich and poor had created a “moral crisis”.
In a report, the Billionaire Bonanza (https://inequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/BILLIONAIRE-BONANZA-2017-Embargoed.pdf), the thinktank said Donald Trump’s tax change proposals would “exacerbate existing wealth disparities” as 80% of tax benefits would end up going to the wealthiest 1% of households.
“Wealth inequality is on the rise,” said Chuck Collins, an economist and co-author of the report. “Now is the time for actions that reduce inequality, not tax cuts for the very wealthy.”
The study found that the billionaires included in Forbes magazine’s list of the 400 richest people in the US (https://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/#4d9f20267e2f) were worth a combined $2.68tn – more than the gross domestic product (GDP) of the UK.
“Our wealthiest 400 now have more wealth combined than the bottom 64% of the US population, an estimated 80m households or 204 million people,” the report says. “That’s more people than the population of Canada and Mexico combined.”
The report says the “billionaire class” continues to “pull apart from the rest of us” at the fastest rate ever recorded. “We have not witnessed such extreme levels of concentrated wealth and power since the first gilded age (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/26/worlds-witnessing-a-new-gilded-age-as-billionaires-wealth-swells-to-6tn) a century ago.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/08/bill-gates-jeff-bezos-warren-buffett-wealthier-than-poorest-half-of-us

High_Plains_Drifter
11-08-2017, 11:34 PM
It's late right now so I don't want to look, but I know there's a passage in the Bible somewhere that eludes to...

... "the richer you are on earth, the poorer you'll be in heaven"... and vice versa... I'll be in the frickin' top 1%... :rolleyes:

LongTermGuy
11-09-2017, 01:52 AM
Nothing to think about...Its how one tinkers here on Earth `to make things happen` in their given years of life and staying clean and out of jail by using Gods gift...the human mind. In the end... `what one does with that Gift`.. here on Earth will be the key to ones spirit getting into heaven or Hell....

We are all different from one another here on Earth....what I mean...it depends on how one applies one self here on Earth....All things are possible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEC3Uum2lL8

SassyLady
11-09-2017, 05:14 AM
Doesn't bother me.

Abbey
11-09-2017, 06:20 AM
Doesn't bother me.

Me neither.
And just think of all the jobs these guys have created.

darin
11-09-2017, 06:33 AM
and they got their money because the other half of the country kept buying whatever those men were selling. Free exchange of goods and services.

Kathianne
11-09-2017, 06:44 AM
I'm in agreement with SL, Abbey, and Darin. What other people have or don't, doesn't change my positions one way or another. Coming up with a new idea or product; working 2 or 3 jobs to get ahead; starting up a business and doing everything required to be a success, those are things to be proud of, for those that accomplish them. Truth is, for one reason or another most of us don't want to sacrifice as much as these folks. Choices.

PostmodernProphet
11-09-2017, 07:22 AM
It's late right now so I don't want to look, but I know there's a passage in the Bible somewhere that eludes to...

... "the richer you are on earth, the poorer you'll be in heaven"... and vice versa... I'll be in the frickin' top 1%... :rolleyes:
sorry to disappoint you, but nowhere in the Bible is heaven connected with material wealth......

High_Plains_Drifter
11-09-2017, 08:49 AM
sorry to disappoint you, but nowhere in the Bible is heaven connected with material wealth......
Well, it kinda does. This is what I was referring to...

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“But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/being_rich

High_Plains_Drifter
11-09-2017, 08:57 AM
I don't really have a problem with these men having so much money, they built it, they earned it. What it does make me think about is the power they wield. They're greasing palms left and right by lobbying powerful people, and the more money they have the more people they can influence. Is that right?

There was a time when if one company appeared to have a monopoly, our government would bust them up. Personally, if this large company is benefiting the general public, as in a large selection and low prices, that's what America is all about, competition, that's capitalism, and I'm all for it.

I guess I had a moment of envy when I read the article. After contemplating it overnight, I've never been driven to become that rich. I never wanted to work weekends, and I liked to have quiet time to myself to just enjoy being alive, happy and in good health.

High_Plains_Drifter
11-09-2017, 11:30 AM
What it does make me think about is the power they wield. They're greasing palms left and right by lobbying powerful people, and the more money they have the more people they can influence. Is that right?


There was a time when if one company appeared to have a monopoly, our government would bust them up.
As if on cue, this story appears on Drudge...

Monopoly critics decry ‘Amazon amendment'
Law makers put the finishing touches this week on military funding legislation that contains a provision that stands to significantly benefit Amazon.
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The amendment, Section 801 of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), would help Amazon establish a tight grip on the lucrative, $53 billion government acquisitions market, experts say.

The provision, dubbed the “Amazon amendment” by experts, according to an article in The Intercept, would allow for the creation of an online portal that government employees could use to purchase everyday items such as office supplies or furniture.
This government-only version of Amazon, which could potentially include a few other websites, would give participating companies direct access to the $53 billion market for government acquisitions of commercial products.

“It hands an enormous amount of power over to Amazon,” said Stacy Mitchell of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, a research group that advocates for local businesses.

Mitchell said that the provision could allow Amazon to gain a monopoly or duopoly on the profitable world of commercial government purchases, leaving smaller businesses behind and further consolidating the behemoth tech firm’s power.
Amazon declined to comment to The Hill on Section 801.

The Seattle-based tech giant has spent the last two quarters of 2018 lobbying on the NDAA and “government procurement,” according to disclosures that the company filed this year.

Amazon has also recruited outside firms to help it influence policymakers on the matter. Disclosure filings made by lobbying firm TwinLogic Strategies, made on behalf of Amazon as its client, do not specify the exact legislation that they tried to influence, but note that they focused on the “modernization of the procurement process.”

The Internet Association (IA), a trade group representing the political interests of major tech firms like Amazon, Google and Facebook, also pushed lawmakers on the matter.

“Dozens of acquisition reform proposals over the years have highlighted the need to inject greater innovation and disruption into federal procurement,” IA President Michael Beckerman wrote in an Oct. 12 letter addressed to Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain(R-Ariz.) and ranking member Jack Reed (D-R.I.).

In his letter, Beckerman wrote that a government purchasing portal offers “just that opportunity.”
Despite the size of the potential windfall for Amazon, Section 801 has gone unnoticed by some lawmakers on the House and Senate Armed Services committees, which are responsible for drafting and finalizing the NDAA.

Many legislators in the House and Senate whom The Hill asked about the bill were not immediately familiar with the provision, though some expressed interest and commented later after reviewing Section 801.

Those who were familiar with the provision had mixed opinions, but many lawmakers leaned toward supporting it.
“I’m going to seriously scrutinize it and see if we’ll want to revise it in some way,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.).
The Connecticut senator said that he was skeptical of criticisms that the provision would allow Amazon to dominate the government procurement market.
“My concern is that every company have a chance to participate in the procurement process — both online and traditional,” Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), who represents Silicon Valley, told The Hill when questioned about the amendment.

Khanna said that it was essential that the final version of the bill ensured “transparency in input pricing and also to make sure they have multiple bids from competitors.”

Another member of the House Armed Services Committee, Rick Larsen(D-Wash.), offered a more pointed defense of Section 801.
“This isn’t about Amazon, although Amazon lobbied for it. It’s about trying to create online space for purchasing so that [the Department of Defense] can get something for value,” Larsen argued.

He explained that the provision was born out of trying to create a specific provision for Defense Department procurement only. But the committee realized that, to do that, “we’d have to set up a mini-[General Services Administration] inside the Defense Department.”
“So then it became more broad,” Larsen said.

In a briefing on Wednesday before the bill’s release, senior House and Senate Armed Services Committee staffers explained that, in addition to Amazon and Walmart, Staples and industrial supply company Grainger would be eligible to also provide commercial items.

But Mitchell is skeptical, pointing to language in the current version of the bill that would appear to exclude Staples and Grainger.
“The way the language reads to me, it’s hard to imagine that there are any other companies who would fit the bill besides Amazon and perhaps Walmart,” she said. “Those are the only retailers who are operating online marketplaces who seem to be in a situation to create a government marketplace portal that this provision envisions.”

The House Armed Services Committee contests the idea that Section 801 will only benefit one or two companies, saying that multiple companies will have access to the government procurement market in the final version of the NDAA.

“[Amazon’s dominance of government procurement] is a myth that opponents of the provision have been shopping for a while, that we wrote the language in such a way as to exclude more specialized marketplaces,” a representative from the House Armed Services Committee told The Hill over email, adding that some of Section 801’s language had been changed in the latest version of the provision.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) has made a strong push for online marketplace reform. In addition to advocating for the amendment, he also introduced a standalone bill in May that shares similar goals with Section 801.

Mitchell and other experts believe that Section 801 could have harmful impacts.

“It’s incredibly dangerous,” said Matt Stoller, an economist at the Open Markets Institute, a think tank critical of Amazon’s growing power. “What it’s doing is concentrating the buying power of the country into the hands of Jeff Bezos.”

Rebecca Kheel contributed.
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LongTermGuy
11-09-2017, 11:44 AM
Me neither.
And just think of all the jobs these guys have created.




"Exactly Abbey...."
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4b0c5d080000000000b83a61/50s-housewife.jpg

jimnyc
11-09-2017, 12:35 PM
Unless someone is doing something illegal to get their profits, I have no issues at all. In fact, I admire them.

"greed is good"

The new law of evolution in corporate America seems to be survival of the unfittest. Well, in my book you either do it right or you get eliminated. In the last seven deals that I’ve been involved with, there were 2.5 million stockholders who have made a pretax profit of 12 billion dollars. Thank you. I am not a destroyer of companies. I am a liberator of them!

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed — for lack of a better word — is good.

Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms — greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge — has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed — you mark my words — will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.

Quote from Michael Douglas aka Gordon Gecko in the movie "Wall Street"

PostmodernProphet
11-09-2017, 11:40 PM
Well, it kinda does. This is what I was referring to...



uh, dude.....he wasn't talking about heaven.....


24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.25 “Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry.
“Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep.
26 “Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.

High_Plains_Drifter
11-09-2017, 11:54 PM
uh, dude.....he wasn't talking about heaven.....
Well... then what does it mean?

High_Plains_Drifter
11-14-2017, 03:08 PM
And now there's this...

RICHEST 1% OWN HALF THE WORLD'S WEALTH.

Credit Suisse report highlights increasing gap between the super-rich and the remainder of the globe’s population

At the other end of the spectrum, the world’s 3.5 billion poorest adults each have assets of less than $10,000 (£7,600). Collectively these people, who account for 70% of the world’s working age population, account for just 2.7% of global wealth.

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/14/worlds-richest-wealth-credit-suisse

Then there's this video, which illustrated to me how little I really knew about who has all the money in America... and yes, I'll admit, I found the video a little shocking, and now being as this video is 4 years old, it's only worse now, and not by any linear scale...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

My point with this thread isn't that I'm a commie, or even a socialist, but that I do believe that the deck is stacked in the riches favor. They can afford to lobby and buy the politicians, and the poor slobs on the bottom have to just piss off because they can't do anything about it anyway. I just hate stacked decks. I hate influence peddling. I hate lobbying. I have nothing against the rich. I have nothing against someone wanting to be rich. I do have something against the rich using their money to screw the people that have no way to fight back, so they just get milked.

pete311
11-14-2017, 03:18 PM
Did no one read the reports on the paradise papers? If money is the recognition of a life well lived then I must assume no one here is a multi millionaire nor billionaire, so I guess, we're all a bunch of fucking low life losers who never worked hard.

aboutime
11-14-2017, 03:34 PM
Did no one read the reports on the paradise papers? If money is the recognition of a life well lived then I must assume no one here is a multi millionaire nor billionaire, so I guess, we're all a bunch of fucking low life losers who never worked hard.


Anyone who intentionally bases their life on wealth, riches, and being more prosperous than others...actually lead rather sad lives of loneliness. If any of us here guage our success in life on how much WE HAVE, compared to others, in any way. WE are the lesser successful in life.
Allowing money, and riches to control everything you do, eventually see's how terrible life can be...from the other end of the spectrum.

Like the definition of STATUS.....
"People who THINK they have status BUY things they DON'T need, with Money, they DON'T have, to IMPRESS people they DON'T know".

They may have all the luxuries they purchased with Credit Cards, but in the end. They eventually pay for things they no longer have. NOW THAT'S STATUS!

Drummond
11-14-2017, 08:28 PM
Did no one read the reports on the paradise papers? If money is the recognition of a life well lived then I must assume no one here is a multi millionaire nor billionaire, so I guess, we're all a bunch of fucking low life losers who never worked hard.

What this all comes down to, for me, is HUMAN NATURE.

We are built to strive, to achieve, and in the process, profit from the fruits of those labours.

Socialist systems encourage dependence upon the State. They DIScourage entrepreneurialism. Result ... the vast majority of Socialist societies out there lack the commitment to achieving proper potential. They're about promising much, then robbing people through high taxation regimes. Left-wing Unions, striving for wage increases, would swiftly disappear if employers always paid everything they possibly could, with no thought for profit.

Socialist systems impoverish, and are ultimately self-destructive.

The standard of living enjoyed by the average US citizen is way above that experienced by a Russian citizen. Why ? Because they were crippled by generations of fiscal dysfunctionality coming out of the Soviet way of doing things.

In my own country, we have our 'scandal' of certain citizens profiting from offshore tax 'dodges'. Why does it happen ? Because human nature drives people to take such advantages, as and when they can.

Jeremy Corbyn - Labour leader (Socialist) wanted the Queen to publicly apologise for the way her own estate's finances were handled. He failed utterly to account for, or even acknowledge, that Labour-run local Councils were THEMSELVES profiting from offshore investment schemes !! Since news of that emerged, the silence from him has been deafening ...

You can't buck human nature. The Soviets tried it, but the Soviet Union rotted from within itself all the same. What took its place is considerably more healthy (though far from perfect).

Given the opportunity to profit, and people will take it. It's really that simple.

PostmodernProphet
11-15-2017, 07:24 AM
Well... then what does it mean?
????....hell.......

darin
11-15-2017, 07:37 AM
????....hell.......

And since hell is or will be cast into fire and hell and death will be no more, hell isn't something we should use to fear-people into learning about God.

High_Plains_Drifter
11-15-2017, 09:12 AM
????....hell.......
So....

"24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation." ...

...means that God meant the rich will go to hell? Hmmm... what I see that as saying is the richer you are here on earth in life, the poorer you'll be in heaven, because like it says, you've received your consolation already here on earth. I didn't get that it means the rich will go to hell... I don't see that.

That's my two cents.

The Sage of Main Street
11-15-2017, 04:44 PM
I'm in agreement with SL, Abbey, and Darin. What other people have or don't, doesn't change my positions one way or another. Coming up with a new idea or product; working 2 or 3 jobs to get ahead; starting up a business and doing everything required to be a success, those are things to be proud of, for those that accomplish them. Truth is, for one reason or another most of us don't want to sacrifice as much as these folks. Choices.
Sacrifice has no merit; it is merely brownnosing. The parasites demand it because fat cats love mice, especially hungry mice who will take dangerous risks to get nourishment.

One of the economic bullies' slogans is "You have to want it hard enough." Yeah, that's for wannabes. But we are not given a word to use for "successful wannabes." That would be "shouldntabeens," which this declining society is full of.

The Sage of Main Street
11-15-2017, 04:47 PM
"Exactly Abbey...."
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4b0c5d080000000000b83a61/50s-housewife.jpg
Saying that the rich create jobs is like saying that vampires create blood.

The Sage of Main Street
11-15-2017, 04:51 PM
Anyone who intentionally bases their life on wealth, riches, and being more prosperous than others...actually lead rather sad lives of loneliness. If any of us here guage our success in life on how much WE HAVE, compared to others, in any way. WE are the lesser successful in life.
Allowing money, and riches to control everything you do, eventually see's how terrible life can be...from the other end of the spectrum.

Like the definition of STATUS.....
"People who THINK they have status BUY things they DON'T need, with Money, they DON'T have, to IMPRESS people they DON'T know".

They may have all the luxuries they purchased with Credit Cards, but in the end. They eventually pay for things they no longer have. NOW THAT'S STATUS!
Greed is suicide of the soul.

aboutime
11-15-2017, 04:59 PM
Saying that the rich create jobs is like saying that vampires create blood.



Okay. So, care to tell us how many Poor people have businesses that employ other people? Or tell us how many poor people have successful business?

The Sage of Main Street
11-15-2017, 05:00 PM
What this all comes down to, for me, is HUMAN NATURE.

We are built to strive, to achieve, and in the process, profit from the fruits of those labours.

Socialist systems encourage dependence upon the State. They DIScourage entrepreneurialism. Result ... the vast majority of Socialist societies out there lack the commitment to achieving proper potential. They're about promising much, then robbing people through high taxation regimes. Left-wing Unions, striving for wage increases, would swiftly disappear if employers always paid everything they possibly could, with no thought for profit.

Socialist systems impoverish, and are ultimately self-destructive.

The standard of living enjoyed by the average US citizen is way above that experienced by a Russian citizen. Why ? Because they were crippled by generations of fiscal dysfunctionality coming out of the Soviet way of doing things.

In my own country, we have our 'scandal' of certain citizens profiting from offshore tax 'dodges'. Why does it happen ? Because human nature drives people to take such advantages, as and when they can.

Jeremy Corbyn - Labour leader (Socialist) wanted the Queen to publicly apologise for the way her own estate's finances were handled. He failed utterly to account for, or even acknowledge, that Labour-run local Councils were THEMSELVES profiting from offshore investment schemes !! Since news of that emerged, the silence from him has been deafening ...

You can't buck human nature. The Soviets tried it, but the Soviet Union rotted from within itself all the same. What took its place is considerably more healthy (though far from perfect).

Given the opportunity to profit, and people will take it. It's really that simple.
Under the system imposed on us, we are dependent on plutocratic parasites, who are no better than Communist Party parasites. So we have our own Kremlin on Wall Street. The only reason we are more prosperous than the USSR is that there were no unions in the Soviet Union. There is an unmotivating outside ownership in both systems. Communism is State Capitalism and Capitalism is Communism for the rich.

aboutime
11-15-2017, 09:44 PM
Under the system imposed on us, we are dependent on plutocratic parasites, who are no better than Communist Party parasites. So we have our own Kremlin on Wall Street. The only reason we are more prosperous than the USSR is that there were no unions in the Soviet Union. There is an unmotivating outside ownership in both systems. Communism is State Capitalism and Capitalism is Communism for the rich.


Thank you for your honesty, Nancy Pelosi!

High_Plains_Drifter
11-15-2017, 09:51 PM
Saying that the rich create jobs is like saying that vampires create blood.
If the rich don't create jobs, then who does?

Black Diamond
11-15-2017, 09:57 PM
If the rich don't create jobs, then who does?
The government.

PostmodernProphet
11-16-2017, 07:33 AM
And since hell is or will be cast into fire and hell and death will be no more, hell isn't something we should use to fear-people into learning about God.
first of all, that wasn't what the question was.....second, its not about fearing people into learning about God.......the Bible tells us what God is offering and tells us the end result of our choices......if you are only willing to love because you're scared of the consequences, what is the value of your love?.....that's the very result God's actions are designed to avoid......


So....

"24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation." ...

...means that God meant the rich will go to hell? Hmmm... what I see that as saying is the richer you are here on earth in life, the poorer you'll be in heaven, because like it says, you've received your consolation already here on earth. I didn't get that it means the rich will go to hell... I don't see that.

That's my two cents.




being "poor" in heaven wouldn't be woe......the sermon on the mount describes the difference between those who were blessed and those who were not.......do you recall what distinguished those two groups in the sermon?.......

darin
11-16-2017, 08:27 AM
......if you are only willing to love because you're scared of the consequences, what is the value of your love?


...which is why preaching Christ by simply warning of Hell means nothing good comes from it. In fact, Preaching hell or dire warnings if you don't behave, is anti-love, anti-god.

High_Plains_Drifter
11-16-2017, 09:45 AM
The government.
I know you're being facetious.

High_Plains_Drifter
11-16-2017, 09:48 AM
being "poor" in heaven wouldn't be woe......
ITA.


the sermon on the mount describes the difference between those who were blessed and those who were not.......do you recall what distinguished those two groups in the sermon?.......
No... maybe I should read that again.

The Sage of Main Street
11-16-2017, 12:57 PM
Okay. So, care to tell us how many Poor people have businesses that employ other people? Or tell us how many poor people have successful businesses?
So poor people are not parasites off working people. What's your point? And quit using "the poor" as the opposite of the rich. Both deserve to be poor. You know perfectly well that when you preach "the poor" as the alternative to your Masters, everybody knows the poor are lazy misfits and is led to the conclusion that the rich must be good people if we have to worship poverty trash instead of them.

The Sage of Main Street
11-16-2017, 01:03 PM
Thank you for your honesty, Nancy Pelosi!
Her Daddy was Mayor of Baltimore. Her brother inherited that job, and Princess Pelosi herself would also be a nobody without Daddy's power. Your precious private-sector HeirHeads get their jobs the same anti-democratic way. So Pelosi, Dubya, and thousands of others are of the same unearned-privilege ilk.

The Sage of Main Street
11-16-2017, 01:06 PM
The government.
A job is an activity, not a creation. Did the Astros' owner create their World Series championship?

High_Plains_Drifter
11-16-2017, 01:38 PM
...everybody knows the poor are lazy misfits...


...poverty trash...

Now you're back to sounding like a retarded bigot.

aboutime
11-16-2017, 02:31 PM
So poor people are not parasites off working people. What's your point? And quit using "the poor" as the opposite of the rich. Both deserve to be poor. You know perfectly well that when you preach "the poor" as the alternative to your Masters, everybody knows the poor are lazy misfits and is led to the conclusion that the rich must be good people if we have to worship poverty trash instead of them.

Answer my question. How many poor business owners have you worked for in the past?
Better yet. Tell all of us how many poor people earn enough to pay others to work for them?

As for opposites. Your supposed logic about 'Both deserve to be poor' is nearly as stupid coming from you as asking the homeless guy on the street to give you a job.

PostmodernProphet
11-17-2017, 08:01 AM
...which is why preaching Christ by simply warning of Hell means nothing good comes from it. In fact, Preaching hell or dire warnings if you don't behave, is anti-love, anti-god.
nobody does that.....that's saying you can't preach Christ by saying all kitchen cupboards must be oak.....

High_Plains_Drifter
11-17-2017, 02:52 PM
nobody does that.....that's saying you can't preach Christ by saying all kitchen cupboards must be oak.....
The dude definitely has some very convoluted, not seeming to connect with any sort of reality, ideas.

The Sage of Main Street
11-17-2017, 04:02 PM
How many poor business owners have you worked for in the past?
Better yet. Tell all of us how many poor people earn enough to pay others to work for them?

As for opposites. Your supposed logic about 'Both deserve to be poor' is nearly as stupid coming from you as asking the homeless guy on the street to give you a job.
Who makes the rich rich? His employees. Then he takes the money he siphoned off them and starts another business the employees there are supposed to be grateful to him instead of to the people who created his wealth. I know you're desperate to maintain your father-figure Masters' lie, so I'll let you ramble on preaching to the other posters. I even hope your boss is reading your sales pitch for his leeching class so he can give you a bonus.

Abbey
11-17-2017, 04:18 PM
Who makes the rich rich? His employees. Then he takes the money he siphoned off them and starts another business the employees there are supposed to be grateful to him instead of to the people who created his wealth. I know you're desperate to maintain your father-figure Masters' lie, so I'll let you ramble on preaching to the other posters. I even hope your boss is reading your sales pitch for his leeching class so he can give you a bonus.


Yes, far better that we all work for the government. That teat is mighty full.

Black Diamond
11-17-2017, 06:37 PM
Yes, far better that we all work for the government. That teat is mighty full.
They apparently have an unlimited bottomless checkbook.

aboutime
11-17-2017, 06:54 PM
Who makes the rich rich? His employees. Then he takes the money he siphoned off them and starts another business the employees there are supposed to be grateful to him instead of to the people who created his wealth. I know you're desperate to maintain your father-figure Masters' lie, so I'll let you ramble on preaching to the other posters. I even hope your boss is reading your sales pitch for his leeching class so he can give you a bonus.

Would you prefer he had no employee's, and everyone was on the Govt. teat on Unemployment? You are so dedicated to being a Socialist, or even accepting the Communist way of life...you deserve to be a permanent victim of your own ignorance. Depending on others for you to survive, without YOU having any desire to Improve, or be Successful is very telling from your obvious lack of intelligence, and logic.
By the way. I am my own boss. I have been since 1995 when I retired from the Navy after 30 years of defending, and protecting IDIOTS like you.

Black Diamond
11-17-2017, 07:12 PM
Would you prefer he had no employee's, and everyone was on the Govt. teat on Unemployment? You are so dedicated to being a Socialist, or even accepting the Communist way of life...you deserve to be a permanent victim of your own ignorance. Depending on others for you to survive, without YOU having any desire to Improve, or be Successful is very telling from your obvious lack of intelligence, and logic.
By the way. I am my own boss. I have been since 1995 when I retired from the Navy after 30 years of defending, and protecting IDIOTS like you.
Thank you for defending and protecting the idiots. :smile: