Looks Like the President Needs To Fire a Bunch of People at the Pentagon...

[High_Plains_Drifter]

NEVER BEFORE has such BLATANT DISOBEDIENCE of the COMMANDER AND CHIEF happened. Far as I'm concerned whoever is pulling this shit needs to be COURT MARTIALED and DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED from the military, END OF STORY. Just who in the HELL do these people think they are to DISOBEY a DIRECTIVE STRAIGHT FROM THE PRESIDENT? Good GOD this pisses me off...

Pentagon to allow transgender people to enlist in military
http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/APNewsBreak-Transgender-people-can-enlist-in-12421888.php

[jimnyc]

I couldn't agree more. There seems to be something amiss here, conversations for starters. But if it's what it appears, outright defiance - then yes, folks should go.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Obama went through the military with an ax firing every top brass he could find that was conservative.

Looks like president Trump needs to go through now and fire every liberal FUCK he can find... STARTING with those pulling this kind of crap. He has EVERY RIGHT to fire them.

[Gunny]

You forgot mutiny. The President's order is not unlawful therefore must be carried out. Question is, IS there an actual order? Trump saying so to the media is NOT giving a direct order to the Service Secretaries.

WHO is "the Pentagon"? JCS? Service Secretaries? The dumbass civilian that permeate the joint from roof to cellar and all offices in between? "The Pentagon" has to be more specific an entity to issue an order.

Defying a direct lawful order by more than one person in concert is mutiny.

Legalities aside, I see the military losing this one. It always does. It's the social experimentation laboratory for the PC government because they have an audience that can't say no. Even if Trump issues and order and fights it, the next Dem that comes along will change it. Our society is too fag happy anymore.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You forgot mutiny. The President's order is not unlawful therefore must be carried out. Question is, IS there an actual order? Trump saying so to the media is NOT giving a direct order to the Service Secretaries.

WHO is "the Pentagon"? JCS? Service Secretaries? The dumbass civilian that permeate the joint from roof to cellar and all offices in between? "The Pentagon" has to be more specific an entity to issue an order.

Defying a direct lawful order by more than one person in concert is mutiny.

Legalities aside, I see the military losing this one. It always does. It's the social experimentation laboratory for the PC government because they have an audience that can't say no. Even if Trump issues and order and fights it, the next Dem that comes along will change it. Our society is too fag happy anymore.
I believe it was a "directive" that president Trump issued to have all the trannies discharged from the military.

I think this nation is seriously going down the tubes. I don't know how the leftists got so MOTHER FUCKING ENTRENCHED in EVERYTHING, but they are, and they're not recognizing the fact that THEY'RE NOT IN CHARGE ANYMORE. This is mutiny, this is unlawful, and the republicans BETTER find their fucking SPINE SOON, or this is not going to end well.

Obama is GONE... he's NOT coming back... HITLERY is NOT president... these cock suckers better find a way to DEAL WITH IT.

[Kathianne]

If I read the article correctly, it's the courts that struck down his directive. They asked for stay while under appeal, it was denied. The Pentagon is following the law.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

If I read the article correctly, it's the courts that struck down his directive. They asked for stay while under appeal, it was denied. The Pentagon is following the law.
It's leftist activism meddling in military affairs.

[Black Diamond]

It's leftist activism meddling in military affairs.
Maybe the supremes will eventually hear it. Seems to be what it takes these days.

[Kathianne]

It's leftist activism meddling in military affairs.

He's doing a good job with judiciary appts, but the courts are the courts. It's being appealed, but for now it IS the law.

[Gunny]

He's doing a good job with judiciary appts, but the courts are the courts. It's being appealed, but for now it IS the law.Which in real time means toe in the door then the argument that it's too late to stop it now to follow any appeal.

I wouldn't serve in the military today. No way. And it's not the military personnel's fault, it's the politicians'. There's no place for fags in the military I served in. They are an unnecessary distraction and hurt morale and unit cohesion. In short just from a practical POV as a military leader they are not worth what they cost.

[Black Diamond]

Which in real time means toe in the door then the argument that it's too late to stop it now to follow any appeal.

I wouldn't serve in the military today. No way. And it's not the military personnel's fault, it's the politicians'. There's no place for fags in the military I served in. They are an unnecessary distraction and hurt morale and unit cohesion. In short just from a practical POV as a military leader they are not worth what they cost.
Is the country worth dying for anymore ?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Which in real time means toe in the door then the argument that it's too late to stop it now to follow any appeal.

I wouldn't serve in the military today. No way. And it's not the military personnel's fault, it's the politicians'. There's no place for fags in the military I served in. They are an unnecessary distraction and hurt morale and unit cohesion. In short just from a practical POV as a military leader they are not worth what they cost.
^^^^^^^---------------- WHAT HE JUST FUCKING SAID...!!!!!!!----------^^^^^^^

Wish I could REP YOU AGAIN, Gunny, but you know the rules... gotta spread it around... :salute:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Is the country worth dying for anymore ?
The parts that aren't a LEFTIST SHIT HOLE are.

[Black Diamond]

The parts that aren't a LEFTIST SHIT HOLE are.
It's something I wonder about re vets. Is THIS what you fought for?, etc.

[Gunny]

Is the country worth dying for anymore ?Here's a perspective to look at it from: When I served, agree with every decision or not, I generally knew WHAT and WHO I was fighting for. I understood the ideals that make up the US Constitution. I went so others did not have to in order to defend those ideals and the people at home, who at the time, were generally still worth it.

Is our society and government worth dying for NOW? In general, nope. They're not even worth a week or two in the field eating MRE's, sleeping in the cold on the ground, being wet for days, or burning in the desert for months, missing my kids growing up and all their little games and plays at school and Christmas's.

For what? So some fag who wants to cut his dick off can do it? So some chick that can't get ahead looks for the nearest guy to claim she was groped fondled or whatever? So some punk-ass babies can have a special place to cry because their guy didn't win? SO some ungrateful idiots that get paid in a year what I do in a lifetime if that can disrespect the Colors of the Nation I served and me and everyone who every wore them?

I got all the medals, heartaches and permanent injuries I need, thanks. Let them save themselves. See how far they get.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's something I wonder about re vets. Is THIS what you fought for?, etc.
I enlisted because my father enlisted in the Navy, WWII, my brother enlisted in the Army, two tours in Vietnam, God rest his soul, son enlisted in the Army, JUST missed Desert Storm by DAYS, uncles, brothers in law, etc, all enlisted. I WANTED to enlist. I wanted to do my patriotic chore and serve my country, and at the time I was fully prepared to give my life fighting for what this country stood for. There's the clincher now. Does this country still stand for what I was willing to die for?

Yes and no.

And I am 1,000% with Gunny. I wouldn't join the military now if the wages were TRIPLED, and I wouldn't recommend any family of mine enlist either. They don't need to shower up in the barracks beside any PERVERT with TITS GROWING that wants HACK OFF HIS JOHNSON and be a GIRL.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

^^^^^^^---------------- WHAT HE JUST FUCKING SAID...!!!!!!!----------^^^^^^^

Wish I could REP YOU AGAIN, Gunny but you know the rules... gotta spread it around... :salute:

I repped Gunny for you, then wished I could do it again for me!
ffking heads had better roll over this or else I see the Trump administration sinking..
This is a test, if Trump does not act correctly he is likely to lose his Presidency IMHO.
SHITCAN EVERY ONE OF THE LOUSY LIBERAL BASTARDS, THESE ARE LIKELY THE ONES THAT THE FFING TRAITOR OBAMA PROMOTED.--Tyr

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I repped Gunny for you, then wished I could do it again for me!
ffking heads had better roll over this or else I see the Trump administration sinking..
This is a test, if Trump does not act correctly he is likely to lose his Presidency IMHO.
SHITCAN EVERY ONE OF THE LOUSY LIBERAL BASTARDS, THESE ARE LIKELY THE ONES THAT THE FFING TRAITOR OBAMA PROMOTED.--Tyr
He has to deal with these JACKASS LEFTIST ASS CLOWN ACTIVIST JUDGES. I never knew it was THIS BAD. The muslim dog turd must have had a HAY DAY stacking the courts with LIBERAL FILTH. We can only hope and pray that president Trump gets EIGHT YEARS to UNDO that.

[Gunny]

I repped Gunny for you, then wished I could do it again for me!
ffking heads had better roll over this or else I see the Trump administration sinking..
This is a test, if Trump does not act correctly he is likely to lose his Presidency IMHO.
SHITCAN EVERY ONE OF THE LOUSY LIBERAL BASTARDS, THESE ARE LIKELY THE ONES THAT THE FFING TRAITOR OBAMA PROMOTED.--TyrAs kath pointed out, it's in the hands of the civilian court system now, which I do not agree with. Joe Bob the civilian activist judge shouldn't be determining what the military does and doesn't need. I don't see how he has jurisdiction to begin with. The US military does not fall under civilian law. Somebody obviously has decided otherwise. I don't recall at any point in time any civilian court being in my chain of command.

Dragging shit through the court system is how these losers get their way. It take so long it's too late to go back and undo the damage.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

As kath pointed out, it's in the hands of the civilian court system now, which I do not agree with. Joe Bob the civilian activist judge shouldn't be determining what the military does and doesn't need. I don't see how he has jurisdiction to begin with. The US military does not fall under civilian law. Somebody obviously has decided otherwise. I don't recall at any point in time any civilian court being in my chain of command.

Dragging shit through the court system is how these losers get their way. It take so long it's too late to go back and undo the damage.
You're saving me the time of having to say a lot of stuff, bro... :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

As kath pointed out, it's in the hands of the civilian court system now, which I do not agree with. Joe Bob the civilian activist judge shouldn't be determining what the military does and doesn't need. I don't see how he has jurisdiction to begin with. The US military does not fall under civilian law. Somebody obviously has decided otherwise. I don't recall at any point in time any civilian court being in my chain of command.

Dragging shit through the court system is how these losers get their way. It take so long it's too late to go back and undo the damage.

Courts do not have autHority over that IMHO. AS THAT IS UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF OUR MILITARY..
Last I checked that was the President.
Trump needs to fire those damn generals and tell those damn sorry-ass liberal judges to go get ffkeeeeeedddd!!!!!! -Tyr

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Courts do not have autHority over that IMHO. AS THAT IS UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF OUR MILITARY..
Last I checked that was the President.
Trump needs to fire those damn generals and tell those damn sorry-ass liberal judges to go get ffkeeeeeedddd!!!!!! -Tyr
Ya know... it's been just recently that I found out that these little lower court activists have MORE POWER than the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I don't understand when or how that started, and I've never had anyone able to explain it to me either. HOW did they get THAT much POWER? SINCE WHEN? HOW? If these sons a bitches have MORE POWER than the PRESIDENT, then WHY DO WE HAVE A PRESIDENT? Why don't we just have these ass clowns telling us what CAN and CAN'T BE DONE?

I don't get it... I seriously don't get it. If there's a SEPARATION OF POWERS, then HOW can they OVERRIDE the POWER of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH? Why can't president Trump just tell them to GO POUND SAND, that they have NO AUTHORITY to say SHIT about HIS EXECUTIVE ORDERS? I thought there was THREE branches of power in America, the legislative, the executive and the judicial branch, but judicial being THE SUPREME COURT, not these little lower courts. The ONLY judicial power that should be able to contest the president's power should be the SUPREME COURT, and even then, it's ONLY supposed to be an EQUAL branch.

Something really STINKS with this set up... big time... ESPECIALLY when it comes to them MEDDLING with the presidents CLEAR AUTHORITY over the MILITARY.

[Gunny]

You're saving me the time of having to say a lot of stuff, bro... :laugh:Think about it. If I'm told to do something by some dumbass zero and I don't want to, can I sue the US military in civilian court? No. If the military fucks up a medical operation or I get hurt while in the military in any way, shape or form, can I go after the military in civilian court? No.

So what gives them jurisdiction below the US Supreme Court level?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Think about it. If I'm told to do something by some dumbass zero and I don't want to, can I sue the US military in civilian court? No. If the military fucks up a medical operation or I get hurt while in the military in any way, shape or form, can I go after the military in civilian court? No.

So what gives them jurisdiction below the US Supreme Court level?
You are made aware that when you're in the military, and you go ON BASE, you are in a completely different world, you are in the MILITARY WORLD, and civilian crap has no jurisdiction there. You are under the UCMJ, period.

I don't get it, man.

[Gunny]

You are made aware that when you're in the military, and you go ON BASE, you are in a completely different world, you are in the MILITARY WORLD, and civilian crap has no jurisdiction there. You are under the UCMJ, period.

I don't get it, man.It's called legal precedent. An activist judge rules against the law/Constitution with some whacko form of justification and makes a ruling. The other judges use that ruling as legal precedent which means you have to have legal grounds to undo the precedent before you can even make different ruling. It's part of English law we incorporated into our law and it has been abused since day one. It's "How to End Run the Law 101".

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's called legal precedent. An activist judge rules against the law/Constitution with some whacko form of justification and makes a ruling. The other judges use that ruling as legal precedent which means you have to have legal grounds to undo the precedent before you can even make different ruling. It's part of English law we incorporated into our law and it has been abused since day one. It's "How to End Run the Law 101".
I get that, but I'd still like to know how a little lower court judge got more power than the president of the United States.

I didn't know courts made law either.

I guess they do in the liberal world. Which one of those liberal skanks that the kenyan appointed to SCOTUS was it that slipped and said they'd RULE FROM THE BENCH, or something of that sort?

[Gunny]

I get that, but I'd still like to know how a little lower court judge got more power than the president of the United States.

I didn't know courts made law either.

I guess they do in the liberal world.I don't think it does. Somebody went to court with a complaint against the military about discrimination. The judge ruled based on Trump's directive; rather, against the military discriminating based on gender. My response would be "WHAT gender? It doesn't know WHAT it is."

Tell you right now ... put that "thing" in MY f*cking platoon. You bet the farm on a drop.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I don't think it does. Somebody went to court with a complaint against the military about discrimination. The judge ruled based on Trump's directive; rather, against the military discriminating based on gender. My response would be "WHAT gender? It doesn't know WHAT it is."

Tell you right now ... put that "thing" in MY f*cking platoon. You bet the farm on a drop.
Here ya go...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfC99LrrM2Q

... these jackasses can't MAKE LAW, but they damn sure THINK they can.

[Gunny]

Here ya go...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfC99LrrM2Q

... these jackasses can't MAKE LAW, but they damn sure THINK they can.
I would say "f*ck her", but someone might get the wrong idea. She's one person I would shed not even a moment of thought on if she disappeared. The epitome of a lefty loser.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I would say "f*ck her", but someone might get the wrong idea. She's one person I would shed not even a moment of thought on if she disappeared. The epitome of a lefty loser.
She's got no business being on the supreme court. WHY the republicans approve these OBVIOUS leftist HACKS is beyond me.

I can't put in words how disappointed with the republicans that I am. They are just ABSOLUTELY SPINELESS. Or they're just as big a bunch of establishment whores as the democrats... bought and paid for with lobbyist cash and basically want the same things. Thus why I registered as an independent years ago.

We truly are in big trouble as a republic if that's the case.

[Gunny]

She's got no business being on the supreme court. WHY the republicans approve these OBVIOUS leftist HACKS is beyond me.

I can't put in words how disappointed with the republicans that I am. They are just ABSOLUTELY SPINELESS. Or they're just as big a bunch of establishment whores as the democrats... bought and paid for with lobbyist cash and basically want the same things. Thus why I registered as an independent years ago.

We truly are in big trouble as a republic if that's the case.We have them to thank for 8 years of Obama "the Economy Miraclist":rolleyes:.