Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

[jimnyc]

I've never been in the military before. Even as a civilian, the closest I've ever come to a cockpit was the first row in coach class! With that said - even I think 5 feet is a little close for comfort - no?

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Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

Washington (CNN)A Russian Su-27 jet performed an unsafe intercept of a US Navy surveillance plane while it was flying in international airspace over the Black Sea Monday, three defense officials told CNN.

The American pilots reported that the Russian jet came within 5 feet of the US plane, according to two of the officials.

The Russian jet's action forced the US Navy aircraft to end its mission prematurely, one of the officials said.

US Naval Forces Europe, which oversees US operations in the region, later confirmed the incident in a statement.

"This interaction was determined to be unsafe due to the SU-27 closing to within five feet and crossing directly through the EP-3's flight path, causing the EP-3 to fly through the SU-27's jet wash," Capt. Pamela Kunze, a spokesperson for US Naval Forces Europe told CNN.

Rest - https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/russia-jet-us-navy-black-sea/index.html

[Gunny]

EXTREMELY unsafe. Inexperienced pilots have crashed for less. 5'? Excuse my usual cynicism but if that's not an exaggeration, both planes are lucky they survived. Five feet is nothing at airspeed.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

They're asking to get shot down... plain and simple.

[pete311]

5ft is impressive, I'd imagine at high speed it would take a little bump in turbulence for an accident to happen

[High_Plains_Drifter]

5ft is impressive, I'd imagine at high speed it would take a little bump in turbulence for an accident to happen
It's not impressive... it's highly deadly and stupid... and a provocation.

You must truly have never been in the military.

[pete311]

It's not impressive... it's highly deadly and stupid... and a provocation.

You must truly have never been in the military.

Take a chill pill

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Take a chill pill
Take a love America pill... but try not to choke.

[Gunny]

5ft is impressive, I'd imagine at high speed it would take a little bump in turbulence for an accident to happenKinda why I questioned the 5 ft. If that's actual data, only luck avoided a collision. If that's a guess-timate, it probably wasn't that close.

They need to quit sending flights over the Black Sea without an escort. They never used to when I lived in Karamursel. They always had a couple of fighters lurking around.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Kinda why I questioned the 5 ft. If that's actual data, only luck avoided a collision. If that's a guess-timate, it probably wasn't that close.

They need to quit sending flights over the Black Sea without an escort. They never used to when I lived in Karamursel. They always had a couple of fighters lurking around.
Why even entertain Pete with explanation that he isn't going to give a rats ass about anyway?

[Gunny]

Why even entertain Pete with explanation that he isn't going to give a rats ass about anyway?:) Pete doesn't bother me. Sometimes he's just making conversation. Could have been a legit inquiry. He knows he's not a vet and we are and probably know. He IS actually a person, y'know :laugh:

If he doesn't care, then oh well.

[pete311]

Why even entertain Pete with explanation that he isn't going to give a rats ass about anyway?

Drop the hostility for one second, I'm in a good mood today ;)

[High_Plains_Drifter]

:) Pete doesn't bother me. Sometimes he's just making conversation. Could have been a legit inquiry. He knows he's not a vet and we are and probably know. He IS actually a person, y'know :laugh:

If he doesn't care, then oh well.
From what I've seen from Pete here, he's interested in very little real debate. He drops in to spew some leftist hyperbole and then splits.

That to me isn't the kind of person that's interested in real debate about anything. I don't waste my time with people like that.

But that's just me... my patience with people gets less and less the older the I get. I can tell when someone is just a hack. But if and when they want to engage in legitimate debate, I'm always game.

Flying a fighter jet, purportedly, 5" away from another plane, is NOT impressive when the other plane is doing so to either intimidate or instigate, as in a Russian jet and an American air craft. IMPRESSIVE is the LAST word I would use to describe that. TARGET is what I'd describe it. Lock on to the fucker and let them know that if they try that shit again, they're going down. Leave the 5 feet away shit to the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels.

[Gunny]

From what I've seen from Pete here, he's interested in very little real debate. He drops in to spew some leftist hyperbole and then splits.

That to me isn't the kind of person that's interested in real debate about anything. I don't waste my time with people like that.

But that's just me... my patience with people gets less and less the older the I get. I can tell when someone is just a hack. But if and when they want to engage in legitimate debate, I'm always game.

Flying a fighter jet, purportedly, 5" away from another plane, is NOT impressive when the other plane is doing so to either intimidate or instigate, as in a Russian jet and an American air craft. IMPRESSIVE is the LAST word I would use to describe that. TARGET is what I'd describe it. Lock on to the fucker and let them know that if they try that shit again, they're going down. Leave the 5 feet away shit to the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels.I think it was an accident. Just a guess because we don't have all the info. You can't fly planes that close to one another without one sucking into the other, as you know. First thing I thought of was the Thunderbirds. Got few autographs.

However, they fly wingtip to wingtip or over and under and aren't in each other's wash when they're that close. If this Russian fighter crossed the brow of a prop plane he was probably going so fast they couldn't collide. Probably scared the crap out of himself. I imagine it woke up the pilot and crew of the AWACS too.

If the Russian did that on purpose his own people should ground his ass for being a fool with their expensive toy.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I think it was an accident. Just a guess because we don't have all the info. You can't fly planes that close to one another without one sucking into the other, as you know. First thing I thought of was the Thunderbirds. Got few autographs.

However, they fly wingtip to wingtip or over and under and aren't in each other's wash when they're that close. If this Russian fighter crossed the brow of a prop plane he was probably going so fast they couldn't collide. Probably scared the crap out of himself. I imagine it woke up the pilot and crew of the AWACS too.

If the Russian did that on purpose his own people should ground his ass for being a fool with their expensive toy.
When I was at Nellis AFB the Thunderbirds were still flying the T-38's. One day we heard that 3 jets had followed the leader into the dirt and crashed...

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/19/us/4-pilots-killed-as-stunt-planes-crash-in-desert.html

After that they dame to each our 3 AMU's and took 2 F-16's. So since the Thunderbirds didn't have anyone trained on how fix F-16's, we had to support them. I've worked on every one of them. They also came to us and asked if any of us wanted to join them, but you had to at least by a SSgt but they waved that since the F-16's were so new. I was a Sgt and was BEGGED to join because I was actually one of the most knowledgeable F-16 Fight Controls, Instrumentation troops at Nellis. I could tell the General Dynamics reps that had an office right on the flight line things about their jet that they didn't even know. I turned it down though, but my buddy the photographer was the Thunderbird photog until he retired after 24 years. I kinda regret turning them down now. It always sucks to look back.

[pete311]

That to me isn't the kind of person that's interested in real debate about anything. I don't waste my time with people like that.


Great, then don't respond to me at all then.

[Black Diamond]

Great, then don't respond to me at all then.
Is your mood souring ?

[darin]

there's a cure for that

https://cdn.dvidshub.net/media/thumbs/photos/1709/3751426/1000w_q95.jpg

[Drummond]

It's not impressive... it's highly deadly and stupid... and a provocation.

You must truly have never been in the military.

I'm not ex-military, either. But even I can see, with total clarity, just how mind-bogglingly stupid it is to have a jet fly approximately five feet from another, in mid-air.

It beggars belief that the pilots involved, both of them, wouldn't understand the danger involved.

I think the real point is that sheer arrogance is involved, overruling commonsense. The Russian side has been making highly provocative flights either near or within British airspace for a considerable time. The trend of frequency of them has been increasing. It's my understanding that all of this, every bit of it, comes from an arrogant 'need' the Russians have to assert themselves militarily against rival powers.

It's pure, hostile, provocation. That's what it is. That's what it is meant to be. It's the action of a power that doesn't care to conduct itself in a peaceful manner, any more than it MUST, to maintain a minimal status quo.

Russia is arrogant. They'll keep pushing and pushing purely because of that arrogance. Theirs is a power which is only concerned with whatever it is that will satisfy their own interests.

Unfortunately, therefore, powers such as the US and UK are forced to be sufficiently confrontational as to deter their arrogance. It's far from ideal - but it IS highly necessary. We on our side want peaceful co-existence. They on their side only want that until or unless they see an alternative, which they will see as possibly 'better'.

Fortunately for us, there IS no alternative, and thus far, the Russian leadership has been sane enough to understand it.

The real problem may be, in the future, whether the Russian side loses its grip on that sanity. If they do, the world has one enormous problem on its hands. We need to be forever vigilant - we have no choice.

[Balu]

1988. Black Sea. Good method to wash the brains.http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYq79uCiU_4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fQxWwERTis


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-3k1p8h8K0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdWbSW4CyuA

[Drummond]

1988. Black Sea. Good method to wash the brains.http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYq79uCiU_4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fQxWwERTis


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-3k1p8h8K0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdWbSW4CyuA

Other than to prove you take great pride in Russian arrogance and recklessness ... what was the point of your post, Balu ?

Does it convince us that all you seek is peaceful coexistence ? OR, does it push the impression - evidently a valid one - that what you really want is to show us that you are a rival power, seeking to push, and push, and keep on pushing, that rivalry down our throats ?

I fail to see anything constructive in your current posting. Fact is, Balu, that you know you cannot logically defend your side's military provocations. But you don't care to (.. otherwise, why not make the attempt ?).

A power highly determined to 'prove' its superiority - but, disinterested in considering other things, such as the desire to be peaceful, non-threatening, an actual ally in any matters which don't directly serve the self-centered plans and ambitions of that aggressive power - is not, I suggest, one which can automatically be trusted. Thus, you maintain the rivalry.

You do so, ultimately, needlessly -- you COULD work towards a better and more permanent form of coexistence. But, DO you ?

NOPE.

Tell us, Balu. Why are you really here, on this forum ? Do you have clear, coherent, purpose in being here ? What is that purpose ?

[Balu]

Interception of US aircraft over Black Sea was safe - Russian defense ministryMilitary & Defense (http://tass.com/defense)
January 29, 23:15 UTC+3
The Russian fighter jet followed the US aircraft to prevent it from violating Russia’s airspace bordersShare















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© Denis Tyrin/TASS

MOSCOW, January 29. /TASS/. Russia’s Su-27 fighter jet intercepted a US ЕР-3Е Aries II warfare and reconnaissance aircraft flying over the Black Sea towards the Russian border. All safety precautions were observed during the interception, the Russian defense ministry’s press service said on Monday, commenting of Western media allegations about unsafe interception of an Orion reconnaissance aircraft.
According to the Russian defense ministry, at about noon on Monday Russian airspace control alert means spotted an unidentified air target over the Black Sea neutral waters approaching Russia’s airspace borders.
"A Su-27 fighter jet from air defense alert force was used to intercept the target. The Su-27 approached the aircraft to a safe distance and identified it as a US ЕР-3Е Aries II electronic warfare and reconnaissance aircraft," the ministry said.
According to the Russian ministry, the Russian fighter jet followed the US aircraft to prevent it from violating Russia’s airspace borders observing all necessary safety precautions.
After the US reconnaissance aircraft changed its course off Russia’s airspace border, the Russian Su-27 fighter jet returned to the base. "The Su-27 flight was performed in strict compliance with international rule of airspace use, not incidents were reported," the ministry added.
CNN reported earlier that a Russian fighter jet had intercepted an Orion reconnaissance plane over the Black Sea. CNN said citing US officials that the interception had been unsafe.





More:
http://tass.com/defense/987456

[Drummond]

Interception of US aircraft over Black Sea was safe - Russian defense ministry

Military & Defense (http://tass.com/defense)
January 29, 23:15 UTC+3
The Russian fighter jet followed the US aircraft to prevent it from violating Russia’s airspace borders

Share















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https://cdn1.tass.ru/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20180130/1186287.jpg
© Denis Tyrin/TASS

MOSCOW, January 29. /TASS/. Russia’s Su-27 fighter jet intercepted a US ЕР-3Е Aries II warfare and reconnaissance aircraft flying over the Black Sea towards the Russian border. All safety precautions were observed during the interception, the Russian defense ministry’s press service said on Monday, commenting of Western media allegations about unsafe interception of an Orion reconnaissance aircraft.
According to the Russian defense ministry, at about noon on Monday Russian airspace control alert means spotted an unidentified air target over the Black Sea neutral waters approaching Russia’s airspace borders.
"A Su-27 fighter jet from air defense alert force was used to intercept the target. The Su-27 approached the aircraft to a safe distance and identified it as a US ЕР-3Е Aries II electronic warfare and reconnaissance aircraft," the ministry said.
According to the Russian ministry, the Russian fighter jet followed the US aircraft to prevent it from violating Russia’s airspace borders observing all necessary safety precautions.
After the US reconnaissance aircraft changed its course off Russia’s airspace border, the Russian Su-27 fighter jet returned to the base. "The Su-27 flight was performed in strict compliance with international rule of airspace use, not incidents were reported," the ministry added.
CNN reported earlier that a Russian fighter jet had intercepted an Orion reconnaissance plane over the Black Sea. CNN said citing US officials that the interception had been unsafe.





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http://tass.com/defense/987456

... 'sorry' .... what ?

What's your point ?

Are you saying that you can violate others' airspace, indulge in recklessness against other powers' forces, BUT, you cannot accept any rival power acting in a manner seemingly reminiscent of your own ?

Russia has a long history of 'testing' the airspaces of other countries. It has, again and again, showed us its ongoing desire to push military rivalry. Other powers, though, are expected to just sit back and take it ? We, in contrast to you, dare not even ONCE reciprocate ??

Certainly, one of the clips you posted showed clear provocation from YOUR side. It was nothing other than provocation. But you seem not to care that it was.

https://youtu.be/BYq79uCiU_4

Explain that, if you can.

Oh, and by the way ... the article you posted a link to shows us just a still photograph ... no video footage, that I've seen. What follows is an 'account' of 'what happened' from a news agency long known by us in the West to exist to push Russian propaganda. There's no actual proof of what was alleged. In fact, even the Tass article didn't go so far as to state that an airspace violation HAD occurred. It merely assumes that one MIGHT have happened, had no interception taken place.

Their own words ...


The Russian fighter jet followed the US aircraft to prevent it from violating Russia’s airspace borders

No actual violation ... just an assumption that one would have eventually occurred.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Great, then don't respond to me at all then.
Sorry, that's not the way message boards work.

If you don't want people to respond to things you say, then maybe you shouldn't say anything at all.

[aboutime]

The Blue Angels only get close for Demonstration purposes.

Any other aircraft getting that close to another aircraft, from any country. IS DANGEROUS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_OYPs29rtk

[Gunny]

Give the Commie an inch and try to be nice to him and he comes back talking smack his military can't back up. A fighter buzzes a surveillance plane. Must been all kinds of testing Ivan's skills on the stick going after a plane that flies half the airspeed his does and is unarmed.

Ever heard of Insurlik AFB, commie? It's near the Black Sea too. Got a bunch of jet jocks that live and breath for a shot at you. SO go ahead and splash a surveillance plane. Damned shit-talking-ass commie pinko desk jockey :rolleyes:

[darin]

Russians - hanging out doing nothing...

Bush/Obama/etc start pulling main battle tanks out of Europe.


Russians - okay, we'll steal Chrimea now. *Tanks* for that NATO.


Saddam tries it with Kuwait circa 1990? Whole word goes to war.