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Gunny
04-11-2018, 03:54 PM
Trump Signals Strikes Against Syria, Lays Into Assad Backer RussiaApril 11, 2018
By Susan Heavey, Makini Brice and Tom Perry
WASHINGTON/BEIRUT (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump warned Russia on Wednesday of imminent military action in Syria over a suspected poison gas attack, declaring that missiles “will be coming” and lambasting Moscow for standing by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
Trump was reacting to a warning from Russia that any U.S. missiles fired at Syria over the deadly assault on a rebel (http://www.oann.com/russia-warns-any-u-s-missiles-fired-at-syria-will-be-shot-down-2/#) enclave near Damascus would be shot down and the launch sites targeted.
His comments raised the prospect of direct conflict over Syria for the first time between the two world powers backing opposing sides in the seven-year-old civil war, which has aggravated instability across the Middle East.
“Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and ‘smart!’,” Trump wrote on Twitter.
“You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!” Trump tweeted, referring to Moscow’s alliance with Assad.
In response, Russia’s Foreign Ministry said: “Smart missiles should fly towards terrorists, not towards the lawful government”.
Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said any U.S. missile salvo could be an attempt to destroy evidence of the reported gas attack in the town of Douma. Damascus and Moscow have denied any responsibility and say the incident is bogus.
Dozens of people in Douma died and hundreds were injured in the attack, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, striking a cautious tone after Trump’s threat of missile strikes, said the United States was assessing intelligence about the suspected attack.
Asked if he had seen enough evidence to blame Assad, Mattis said: “We’re still working on this.”
The U.S. military was ready to provide military options, if appropriate, he added. It was unclear if his remarks reflected unease about Trump’s apparent move toward military action.
Two U.S. government sources told Reuters the United States still did not have 100 percent solid evidence of what nerve agent was used in Syria and where it came from. However, there is some evidence it was sprayed from helicopters, they said.
In Moscow, the head of a Russian parliamentary defense committee, Vladimir Shamanov, said Russia was in direct contact with the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff about the situation.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a British-based war monitor, said pro-government forces were emptying main airports and military air bases. The Syrian military has also been repositioning some air assets to avoid the fallout from possible missile strikes, U.S. officials told Reuters.
The Russian military said it had observed movements of U.S. Navy forces in the Gulf. Any U.S. strike would probably involve the navy, given the risk to aircraft from Russian and Syrian air defenses. A U.S. guided-missile destroyer, the USS Donald Cook, is in the Mediterranean.
The Syrian foreign ministry accused the United States, which has supported some rebel groups in Syria’s conflict, of using “fabrications and lies” as an excuse to hit its territory.
“We are not surprised by such a thoughtless escalation by a regime like the United States regime, which sponsored terrorism in Syria and still does,” the state news agency SANA cited a ministry official as saying.
After the Douma attack, the insurgent group dug in there, Jaish al-Islam, finally agreed to withdraw. That sealed a huge victory for Assad, crushing a long rebellion in the eastern Ghouta region near the capital Damascus.
BRITAIN READY
In London, British Prime Minister Theresa May said all the indications pointed to Syrian government responsibility for the attack and such “a shocking and barbaric act” could not go unchallenged.
“We’re rapidly reaching an understanding of what happened on the ground,” she told reporters. “We’ll be working with our closest allies to consider how we can ensure that those responsible are held to account (http://www.oann.com/russia-warns-any-u-s-missiles-fired-at-syria-will-be-shot-down-2/#).”
The BBC reported later that May was ready to give the go-ahead for Britain to take part in military action. She would not seek approval from parliament, the BBC said, despite calls from the opposition Labour Party for parliament to be given a say.
Oil prices (http://www.oann.com/russia-warns-any-u-s-missiles-fired-at-syria-will-be-shot-down-2/#) jumped to their highest level in more than three years on Wednesday after Trump’s warning, and U.S. stock index futures (http://www.oann.com/russia-warns-any-u-s-missiles-fired-at-syria-will-be-shot-down-2/#) fell sharply due to alarm (http://www.oann.com/russia-warns-any-u-s-missiles-fired-at-syria-will-be-shot-down-2/#) about a possible Russian-U.S. conflict over Syria.
White House officials did not immediately provide more detail about Trump’s remarks. The U.S. Defense Department said it did not comment on potential military actions.
HIGHLY TOXIC
The WHO said 43 people had died in Saturday’s attack on Douma from “symptoms consistent with exposure to highly toxic chemicals”, and more than 500 had been treated.
The WHO cautioned that it has no formal role in forensic inquiries into the use of chemical weapons. International inspectors are seeking clearance from Damascus to visit Douma under safe conditions to determine whether globally banned munitions were used, though they will not assign blame.
Moscow and Washington blocked attempts by each other at the United Nations Security Council on Tuesday to set up international investigations into chemical weapons attacks in Syria.
Moscow’s threat to down U.S. missiles came from its ambassador to Lebanon, Alexander Zasypkin, who said it was based on previous statements by President Vladimir Putin and the Russian armed forces chief of staff.
The Russian military said on March 13 that it would respond to any U.S. strike on Syria by targeting any missiles and launchers involved. Russia is Assad’s most powerful ally and its devastating air power has helped him wrest back large areas of territory from rebels since 2015.
Zasypkin also said a clash between Russia and the United States over Syria “should be ruled out and therefore we are ready to hold negotiations”.
AIRLINES BEWARE
With tensions growing, however, European air traffic control agency Eurocontrol warned airlines to exercise caution in the eastern Mediterranean due to the possible launch of air strikes into Syria over the next 72 hours.
Eurocontrol said air-to-ground and cruise missiles could be used within that period and there could be intermittent disruptions of radio navigation equipment.
Both Russia and Iran, Assad’s other main ally, have warned his enemies against military action in recent days, underlining their commitment to the Syrian government they have armed and supported through years of conflict.
Ali Akbar Velayati, the top adviser to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said during a visit to Damascus on Tuesday that an Israeli attack on an air base in Syria on Monday would “not remain without response”.
Israel held top-level security consultations on Wednesday on the possibility it could be targeted by Syria or Iran if the United States strikes Syrian government forces.
Syria’s Russian-supplied air defenses shot down an Israeli F-16 jet in February during a previous bombing run against what Israel described as Iranian-backed positions in Syria.
Last year, the United States carried out strikes from two Navy destroyers against a Syrian air base after another toxic gas attack on a rebel-controlled pocket.
(Additional reporting by Dahlia Nehme in Beirut, Jeffrey Heller in Jerusalem, Michelle Nichols at the United Nations, Andrew Osborn and Maria Kiselyova in Moscow, Anthony Deutsch in Amsterdam, Steve Holland, Idrees Ali, Mark Hosenball, Phil Stewart and Patricia Zengerle in Washington, Jamie Freed in Singapore, Stephanie Nebehay in Geneva; Writing by Mark Heinrich, Editing by Angus MacSwan)
http://www.oann.com/russia-warns-any-u-s-missiles-fired-at-syria-will-be-shot-down-2/

Guess we're going to see if Putin's bluffing.

If Putin can shoot down any and all missiles, where was he last weekend when Israel attacked? IF he actually can do it, some people in DC need to pull their heads out of their asses pronto. We're in trouble.

Gunny
04-11-2018, 04:03 PM
Answers one question I had. The stock market fell and oil prices shot up.

Black Diamond
04-11-2018, 04:05 PM
Trump is clearly who Putin wanted in the White House.

LongTermGuy
04-11-2018, 05:07 PM
Answers one question I had. The stock market fell and oil prices shot up.


Expected...they are in the business of fear and uncertainty

LongTermGuy
04-11-2018, 05:11 PM
Trump is clearly who Putin wanted in the White House.


Because Hilary was to stupid..weak and ignorant...

...In the long run...Trump and Putin will work things out....Putin knows and understands...Trump is one NOT to be screwed with....and Putin appreciates that...

Gunny
04-11-2018, 05:40 PM
Because Hilary was to stupid..weak and ignorant...

...In the long run...Trump and Putin will work things out....Putin knows and understands...Trump is one NOT to be screwed with....and Putin appreciates that...I'm going to go with Drummond on this one. Seen it too often where it concerns Muslims. Western minds don't comprehend the arrogance and simple-minded brutality of the Russian mind.

I don't think Putin understands what you think he does. He's trying to bully his way over us with a bluff, and he is not so dumb as anyone thinks. He;s got Syria, Iran and to a lesser extent Turkey doing all the grunt work. He doesn't even have troops in the field and can pull out just as quickly as he showed up.

Tactically, he holds a much better position that we do. He's just trying to scare us off. He wins no matter what. He WANTS Turkey to turn on NATO. He wants us to appear the bad guys. He's playing a game he's winning because his head is and has been in it while we've been arguing about DACA and gun rights and abortion and impeaching Trump and all other kinds of stupid shit that mean nothing.

LongTermGuy
04-11-2018, 08:08 PM
I'm going to go with Drummond on this one. Seen it too often where it concerns Muslims. Western minds don't comprehend the arrogance and simple-minded brutality of the Russian mind.

I don't think Putin understands what you think he does. He's trying to bully his way over us with a bluff, and he is not so dumb as anyone thinks. He;s got Syria, Iran and to a lesser extent Turkey doing all the grunt work. He doesn't even have troops in the field and can pull out just as quickly as he showed up.

Tactically, he holds a much better position that we do. He's just trying to scare us off. He wins no matter what. He WANTS Turkey to turn on NATO. He wants us to appear the bad guys. He's playing a game he's winning because his head is and has been in it while we've been arguing about DACA and gun rights and abortion and impeaching Trump and all other kinds of stupid shit that mean nothing.

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...Western minds are quite aware of the Russian mind-set... we`ve been dealing with them for ever (we all live on the same planet) They know us we know them....who wins depends on Resolve...Looking back at history... all the wars (Including Cold War) `We` and (western minds) always came out ahead....and will continue to do so...

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~ "while we've been arguing about DACA and gun rights and abortion and impeaching Trump and all other kinds of stupid shit that mean nothing" ~

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Only ones arguing and > wishing < are the Leftist and ("I told you so...`bring down Trump") Never Trumpers vs ....**Americans ....But it dont matter....What Matters is what Trump and Company and other specialized great minds > `advising` <...along with the Military with all its Intel Think and do.....The rest is just small talk ...gossip and wishful thinking.

**In the end...lets see what happens....and enjoy the show....Interesting times...

Gunny
04-11-2018, 09:26 PM
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...Western minds are quite aware of the Russian mind-set... we`ve been dealing with them for ever (we all live on the same planet) They know us we know them....who wins depends on Resolve...Looking back at history... all the wars (Including Cold War) `We` and (western minds) always came out ahead....and will continue to do so...

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~ "while we've been arguing about DACA and gun rights and abortion and impeaching Trump and all other kinds of stupid shit that mean nothing" ~

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Only ones arguing and > wishing < are the Leftist and ("I told you so...`bring down Trump") Never Trumpers vs ....**Americans ....But it dont matter....What Matters is what Trump and Company and other specialized great minds > `advising` <...along with the Military with all its Intel Think and do.....The rest is just small talk ...gossip and wishful thinking.

**In the end...lets see what happens....and enjoy the show....Interesting times...That negates none of my points. The current advantages are Putins because we haven't been paying attention to the world.

I mentioned this once, but don't recall to who. I've been posting about this for months. Few ever responses. You can look in the ME forum (I haven't - shooting from the hip) I bet there are more threads that I posted with no replies than there are ones with replies. Everybody is so concerned about who loves or hates Trump and turning every time he farts into a Cat 5 hurricane they aren't paying attention to the rest of the world.

We're caught with our pants down, making threats and only half-ass prepared to carry out some telegraphed response at best, if that.

Maybe we should spend less time investigating and worrying about Russian collusion and more freakin' time on Russian EXPANSION and maybe we'd be in a better position.

LongTermGuy
04-11-2018, 09:42 PM
That negates none of my points. The current advantages are Putins because we haven't been paying attention to the world.

I mentioned this once, but don't recall to who. I've been posting about this for months. Few ever responses. You can look in the ME forum (I haven't - shooting from the hip) I bet there are more threads that I posted with no replies than there are ones with replies. Everybody is so concerned about who loves or hates Trump and turning every time he farts into a Cat 5 hurricane they aren't paying attention to the rest of the world.

We're caught with our pants down, making threats and only half-ass prepared to carry out some telegraphed response at best, if that.

Maybe we should spend less time investigating and worrying about Russian collusion and more freakin' time on Russian EXPANSION and maybe we'd be in a better position.


**Re-read My above post again bro....we are not on the same page with `our` different points of view...(which is fine)..Again...only the little people (with no INTEL)are arguing about all your points above...and `no one cares` with > `our` < differences of view...waste of time and testosterone...:laugh::dance:


*The people in charge and that count (with their Intel)... are quite aware of Russian EXPANSION...and all the other bull-shit that goes with it... "US"....Genius`s only wish we had their Billion dollar-Plus Intel power...

Black Diamond
04-11-2018, 09:59 PM
That negates none of my points. The current advantages are Putins because we haven't been paying attention to the world.

I mentioned this once, but don't recall to who. I've been posting about this for months. Few ever responses. You can look in the ME forum (I haven't - shooting from the hip) I bet there are more threads that I posted with no replies than there are ones with replies. Everybody is so concerned about who loves or hates Trump and turning every time he farts into a Cat 5 hurricane they aren't paying attention to the rest of the world.

We're caught with our pants down, making threats and only half-ass prepared to carry out some telegraphed response at best, if that.

Maybe we should spend less time investigating and worrying about Russian collusion and more freakin' time on Russian EXPANSION and maybe we'd be in a better position.
Do you think trump spends as much time on mueller and guns as the media does ?

Kathianne
04-11-2018, 11:22 PM
Hmmm:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/09/syria-putin-russia-war-middle-east-217838

Too much stuff to sum it up, read if you are interested.

LongTermGuy
04-12-2018, 01:00 AM
Hmmm:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/09/syria-putin-russia-war-middle-east-217838

Too much stuff to sum it up, read if you are interested.


~"Donald Trump needs to stop prevaricating over Syria and take advantage of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s Syria failures." ~

"Hmmmmmm"

>>>>> Its not about `Donald Trump` doing things on "His" own as the statement above (Jonathon Schanzer ) writer of story..... portrays ...*Trump has a whole team of advisers and people he works with...But for some reason the left and Trump haters like to use his name (Trump) only..."Hmmmmmmm"


Here is Jonathon

`Dr. Schanzer publishes widely in the national press, has testified before Congress, and makes frequent appearances on television. He has traveled widely in Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Morocco, Kuwait, Qatar, Turkey, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian Territories. Dr. Schanzer speaks Arabic and Hebrew.`
http://schanzer.pundicity.com/schanzer/pics/large/6.jpg


But....then again things change...here we have `Jonathon Schanzer` "Again"....This time portraying Trump a bit better...funny how thing change in this life...all about timing and how one feels about Trump that day....Hmmmmmmmm......

>>>In this video he mentions "Trump Administration" Like a good boy and should...(Not all about Trump only)...again..>>>Trump works with specialist..advisers...Gov INTEL!

*Even though...`Like many`Jonathon`... doesn't understand Trumps mind (the way Trump thinks..."manipulates enemies" ) and the art of the deal.....seems it been working very well lately...but some just dont get it...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzOw9qnijf0



Educational overview

Schanzer holds a BA from Emory University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_University) and a master's degree from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_University_of_Jerusalem) in Middle Eastern studies. Schanzer was a member of Phi Delta Theta while at Emory. He studied Arabic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic) at the American University in Cairo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_University_in_Cairo) in 2001. He earned his PhD at King's College London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_College_London). He is a graduate of Lower Merion High School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Merion_High_School).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Schanzer#cite_note-6)


***Catch the word "Hebrew" Kat?? :laugh: Your favorite....



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Schanzer

Black Diamond
04-12-2018, 12:08 PM
Answers one question I had. The stock market fell and oil prices shot up.
Yeah gasoline jumped yesterday

LongTermGuy
04-12-2018, 03:13 PM
Yeah gasoline jumped yesterday

Yep here also...market fear...like it always does...for awhile...

mundame
04-12-2018, 09:06 PM
Answers one question I had. The stock market fell and oil prices shot up.

The highly labile stock market is way up again today.

However, oil continues high --- I'm hearing it's because of the Syrian Crisis: war is bad for oil production.

mundame
04-12-2018, 09:17 PM
...In the long run...Trump and Putin will work things out....Putin knows and understands...Trump is one NOT to be screwed with....and Putin appreciates that...

No, I don't agree. I think Trump has to show people. Tough talk is colorful, but it's still just talk. At some point, soon, he has to show the goods: BANG! POW! BOOM!

Like Reagan did: as soon as he came into office, he fired all the illegally striking air traffic controllers, and he invaded Grenada and put a stop to the military airport the Cubans were building.

After that nobody bothered him! Reagan had shown them. This is what Trump has to do, and he has not done anything yet, that is, anything that backs down enemies.

Knocking down bad treaties is fine, and it sort of feels like something, but my guess is that won't be enough. And if he is just using the treaties as negotiating points and rejoins TPP, NAFTA, and Iran, that would be counterproductive. He'd have backed down.

Expect Cruise missiles hitting Syria: it was a red line Obama didn't follow through on, it follows the Russian attack on the spies in London, and if he blinks, no one will fear anything Trump ever says. My guess is he knows that and will fire those missiles and that will help us meet the next crisis. Or avoid it.