Reagan dumps on Dubya in diary

[gabosaurus]

Perhaps Reagan did have some intelligent thoughts after all.

from www.metacritic.com

this is a recently released direct quote from Ronald Reagan about George W. Bush entered into his diary. The entry is dated May 17, 1986.


‘A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his ne’re-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work.’

[NightTrain]

Sounds like bullshit to me, got a better link than that?

[glockmail]

Sounds like bullshit to me, got a better link than that?
Don't hold your breath. 99.9% of what gabby writes is pure bullshit.

[nevadamedic]

Don't hold your breath. 99.9% of what gabby writes is pure bullshit.

Damnit Glock once again your giving her to much credit, 100% of what she writes is pure bullshit.

[-Cp]

That'd be funny - if it were true Gabby...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6580

The above statement, while reflecting a certain element of truth, is false. It did not appear in the "Reagan Diaries".

See Below.





Did Reagan call G.W. Bush a ne’er-do-well?
Status: False

The quotation is pulled from an article titled "My Lunch with Reagan" by Michael Kinsley in the New Republic (vol. 237, issue 1, 7/2/07). And, not surprisingly, the quotation is taken out of context. In its original context it's easy to tell that it's meant as a joke:

[glockmail]

Damnit Glock once again your giving her to much credit, 100% of what she writes is pure bullshit.
I recall one of her posts actually making sense. I gotta be fair.

[nevadamedic]

I recall one of her posts actually making sense. I gotta be fair.

What? Did she actually admit to being a nutbag?

[avatar4321]

Reagan had alot of intelligent thoughts.

Your quote is neither Reagan's nor intelligent.

[Abbey Marie]

That sounds nothing like RR.

[LiberalNation]

If it came from a personal diary it wouldn't, there is stuff you write for the public and stuff you don't.

[Abbey Marie]

If it came from a personal diary it wouldn't, there is stuff you write for the public and stuff you don't.

Regardless, it sounds nothing like RR. Plus, when you are already famous, you know there is a good chance your diary will someday be public.

[LiberalNation]

looks kinda like a fake to me too but just saying you can't tell if it's somebodies writing just by style.

[Gunny]

looks kinda like a fake to me too but just saying you can't tell if it's somebodies writing just by style.

Yes you can. Fairly easily.

[LiberalNation]

No way I can write in several different styles depending on why and who I am writing for.

[Gunny]

No way I can write in several different styles depending on why and who I am writing for.

If you purposefully set out to do it, it just makes it harder, but you cannot divorce yourself from who you are.

I doubt Reagan had any notion to do any such thing.

[hjmick]

Sounds like bullshit to me, got a better link than that?

I have a link for you, and you can feel free to check it out as well, gabosaurus.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/kinsley.asp

[gabosaurus]

Incredibly enough, no one here thinks that Reagan would have anything bad to say about Dubya. Why am I not surprised!

[nevadamedic]

Incredibly enough, no one here thinks that Reagan would have anything bad to say about Dubya. Why am I not surprised!

Because your dillusional.

[hjmick]

Incredibly enough, no one here thinks that Reagan would have anything bad to say about Dubya. Why am I not surprised!

I'm not saying that Reagan didn't have anything bad to say about Bush, I'm saying that the incident, the diary entry that you are using, is inaccurate at best. At it's worst it is a lie, a lie you are trying to perpetuate. It isn't even from Reagan's diary, rather it is from an article, a work of satire, a piece of fiction, written by Michael Kinsley, not Ronald Reagan. Hell, I've got bad things to say about Bush.

[-Cp]

I have a link for you, and you can feel free to check it out as well, gabosaurus.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/kinsley.asp

Is there an echo in here? :)

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=108990&postcount=5

[avatar4321]

Incredibly enough, no one here thinks that Reagan would have anything bad to say about Dubya. Why am I not surprised!

Incredible that you try to post easily statements that are easily disprovable and refuse to admit you were wrong and take back your statements.

[actsnoblemartin]

im just not buying that.

Ronnie was normally a nice guy


Sounds like bullshit to me, got a better link than that?

[stephanie]

WHO CARES?????????
IF Reagan, supposedly said this....

Was this suppose to mean SOMETHING??????

[Ruby]

I have a link for you, and you can feel free to check it out as well, gabosaurus.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/kinsley.asp

Snopes has a good track record. I am not a fan of either Bush or Reagan, but I am a fan of the truth and it dosent seem to me that Reagan wrote what is being attributed to him about Bush jr.

I consider it debunked.

[stephanie]

Snopes has a good track record. I am not a fan of either Bush or Reagan, but I am a fan of the truth and it dosent seem to me that Reagan wrote what is being attributed to him about Bush jr.

I consider it debunked.

Well.....

Don't worry...
We have become GREAT in being detectives in sniffing out a lot of shit that the LIBERALS... ...we are all for the People, all for the LITTLE GUY... SPREAD.....:coffee:

When most of them are for.....bigger goverment, Unions, and taking away your freedoms....



:cow::cow:Why do you think they hate the INTERNET, and Conservative talk radio and Faux news......:laugh2:

Enjoy your freedoms....while you have them??

[glockmail]

Incredible that you try to post easily statements that are easily disprovable and refuse to admit you were wrong and take back your statements. May be incredible, but at least she is consistent: nearly always wrong, and never takes responsibility for it.

[GW in Ohio]

WHO CARES?????????
IF Reagan, supposedly said this....

Was this suppose to mean SOMETHING??????

Well, it says a lot about Reagan's judgment and ability to assess character.

[jimnyc]

Well, it says a lot about Reagan's judgment and ability to assess character.

It also shows a lot about those stupid enough to pass it off as fact, and those willing to judge based on those inaccuracies.

[glockmail]

Well, it says a lot about Reagan's judgment and ability to assess character. The fact that this was identified as a lie previous to your comment indicates that you are a complete fool.:lame2:

[GW in Ohio]

The fact that this was identified as a lie previous to your comment indicates that you are a complete fool.:lame2:

glockie: I read the thread and understood that this was a hoax...a joke.

But the funny part is, Reagan could have said those things about W.

For much of his life he was shiftless and aimless. He drifted from one thing to another. And every good opportunity in his life was provided through the kind offices of his dad.

And there's a lesson in the W story.....

You can't take a guy who drifted through the first 40 or so years of his life and expect him all of a sudden to start developing the character it takes to be president. It doesn't work that way. Character takes a lifetime to develop.

[Gaffer]

glockie: I read the thread and understood that this was a hoax...a joke.

But the funny part is, Reagan could have said those things about W.

For much of his life he was shiftless and aimless. He drifted from one thing to another. And every good opportunity in his life was provided through the kind offices of his dad.

And there's a lesson in the W story.....

You can't take a guy who drifted through the first 40 or so years of his life and expect him all of a sudden to start developing the character it takes to be president. It doesn't work that way. Character takes a lifetime to develop.

You and dan rather have a lot in common. You both want to believe a lie is the truth.

[glockmail]

glockie: I read the thread and understood that this was a hoax...a joke.

But the funny part is, Reagan could have said those things about W.

...... :lame2: :lame2:

Double lame, and total bullshit. Anyone could say a lot of things about nearly anyone. :slap:

[hjmick]

Is there an echo in here? :)

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=108990&postcount=5

Oops. I saw gabs post and just went straight to reply. I had come across the Snopes article earlier in the day during my bi-weekly check of what's new over there.

[avatar4321]

glockie: I read the thread and understood that this was a hoax...a joke.

But the funny part is, Reagan could have said those things about W.

For much of his life he was shiftless and aimless. He drifted from one thing to another. And every good opportunity in his life was provided through the kind offices of his dad.

And there's a lesson in the W story.....

You can't take a guy who drifted through the first 40 or so years of his life and expect him all of a sudden to start developing the character it takes to be president. It doesn't work that way. Character takes a lifetime to develop.

He has already demonstrated that he has far more character than yourself. Perhaps you should worry about your own.

[GW in Ohio]

He has already demonstrated that he has far more character than yourself. Perhaps you should worry about your own.

Oh, I do worry about my character.

In the early years of my life, I was as big an idiot and loafer as W.

But I would never presume to be President of the United States; I know I'm not qualified.

That's the difference between me and Mr. Bush.

[darin]

Oh, I do worry about my character.

In the early years of my life, I was as big an idiot and loafer as W.

But I would never presume to be President of the United States; I know I'm not qualified.

That's the difference between me and Mr. Bush.

Mr. Bush's actions prove his qualifications. At the time of voting, here existed no more-qualified option. But of course, you're SMARTER than the people who are shown below, in red:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/countymapredblue.png

[GW in Ohio]

Mr. Bush's actions prove his qualifications. At the time of voting, here existed no more-qualified option. But of course, you're SMARTER than the people who are shown below, in red:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/countymapredblue.png

I'll agree that Mr. Bush's actions demonstrate his qualifications. I think you'll find general agreement on that.

[darin]

I'll agree that Mr. Bush's actions demonstrate his qualifications. I think you'll find general agreement on that.

So - let's see:


Values:

1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion
2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.
3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.
5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.
6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Economy:

1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.
2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.
3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.
5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.
6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.
7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.
8. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.
9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.
10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.
11. Signed trade promotion authority.
12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.
13. Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.
14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.
15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.
16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.
17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.
18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.
19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.
20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.

Character and Conduct:
1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.
2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.
3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:

Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."

On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation.

Environment:

1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.
2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan - The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.
3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.
4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.
6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.
7. Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.
8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.

Defense & Foreign Policy

1. Successfully executing two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.
2. Saddam Hussein is now in dead. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.
3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Maida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.
4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.
5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.
6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.
7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.
8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.
9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.
10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.
11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.
12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.
13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.
14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs. 15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.
16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.
17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.
18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments.
19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.
20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.
21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.

Globalization & Internationalism

1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).
2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.
3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).
4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant? (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096125/posts)" We all know the outcome and the answer.
5. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."

Government Reform

1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.
2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.
3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.
4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.
5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.

Health

1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.
2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.
3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

A 10-year privatization option.

Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.

More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.

New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.

Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

1. *See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.
2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.
3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).
4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.
5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.
6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.
7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.
8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.
9. US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.
10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.
12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.
14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.

Judiciary & Tort Reform

1. Urged federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.
2. Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.
3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.
4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.

Politics

1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.
2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.

Second Amendment

1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.
2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.
3. Pushed for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.
4. *See Globalization & Internationalism.

Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

1. Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."
2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.
3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.
4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.
5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.
6. Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.
7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.
8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.
9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:

Equal Justice

Freedom of Speech

Limited Government Power

Private Property Rights

Religious Tolerance

Respect for Women


So - ALL That from somebody who wasn't qualified to be President?

By the way....that's from JUST HIS FIRST TERM. Tell me, if you'd be so kind, what have you done in the last 8 years to make your country better?

[glockmail]

:popcorn: [waiting for GW's next genius proclamation]

[GW in Ohio]

dmp: That's a really impressive list of Mr. Bush's accomplishments. Since you obviously didn't write it up on the spot, may I ask where you copied and pasted it from?

I'll comment on just one of the many accomplishments of Mr. Bush that you listed:


Defense & Foreign Policy

1. Successfully executing two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.

My response: :lol::laugh2::dance::laugh2::lol:

You call Iraq a success? One third of the Iraqis are displaced...homeless. Maybe 100,000 of them have been killed or maimed. (I think this figure is higher.)

And all Iraqis are scared shitless. They live in constant fear. They don't know if they'll get blown to pieces on their way to the store (assuming they have money to buy food, and assuming the food store hasn't been blown up).

The whole country is in chaos. Anarchy and civil war and random murders are going on all over.

Furthermore, we've lost respect all over the world because of this stupid, reckless, pointless war.

You call that a "success"?

[gabosaurus]

dmp's lists proves that Dubya is a lunatic fruitcake.
Perhaps there should be a different list of things that Dubya has accomplished:

1. Allowed the United States to be attacked by a group of rogue outlaw terrorists.

2. Refused to act on warnings that the U.S. was going to be attacked by a group of rogue outlaw terrorists

3. Read to school children while an attack was in progress, then followed that by riding around in an airplane for 12 hours while his advisers tried to figure out what to do

4. Invaded a sovereign nation to satisfy a personal grudge against that nation's leader

5. Committed the nation to a lengthy conflict that has cost well over 3,000 American lives purely to save face and justify not knowing how to finish what he started

6. Devised tax strategy that favored the extremely wealthy (like himself) over those poor and middle class

7. Drastically cut or eliminated social and domestic programs, leading to disasters such as the Minneapolis bridge collapse

8. Allowed a major American city to drown while he was on vacation

[darin]

dmp: That's a really impressive list of Mr. Bush's accomplishments. Since you obviously didn't write it up on the spot, may I ask where you copied and pasted it from?


Link is posted in the text. If you read them, you'd know. And honestly, here's what you are going to do: You will ridicule the site upon which those are hosted and, in typical moon-bat Liberal forum BITCH ABOUT the place which is hosting the text, and SPEAK NOTHING to the merits of the point of me posting them - to counter your childish, ridiculous, bs-claim that GWB wasn't/isn't "qualified" to be our President.

And it was more than copy/paste...I had to format, too.


You call Iraq a success? One third of the Iraqis are displaced...homeless. Maybe 100,000 of them have been killed or maimed. (I think this figure is higher.)

And all Iraqis are scared shitless. They live in constant fear. They don't know if they'll get blown to pieces on their way to the store (assuming they have money to buy food, and assuming the food store hasn't been blown up).

The whole country is in chaos. Anarchy and civil war and random murders are going on all over.


OMG! Are you REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY That dense? Holy shit dude...please tell me you've been living under a rock and honestly believe the bullshit you just posted. You've been under a rock, or have the Uber-Left-Wingers so far tucked up your bum you're incapable of free thought.




Furthermore, we've lost respect all over the world because of this stupid, reckless, pointless war.

You call that a "success"?

People who care what the vocal-minority in SOME countries think about the USA are 'stupid'. If the shoe fits...

(shrug)

[darin]

1. Allowed the United States to be attacked by a group of rogue outlaw terrorists.


You're a liar.



2. Refused to act on warnings that the U.S. was going to be attacked by a group of rogue outlaw terrorists


You're still lying.



3. Read to school children while an attack was in progress, then followed that by riding around in an airplane for 12 hours while his advisers tried to figure out what to do


Now you're just being naive AND intellectually incapable of rational thought.


4. Invaded a sovereign nation to satisfy a personal grudge against that nation's leader


You're still lying.


5. Committed the nation to a lengthy conflict that has cost well over 3,000 American lives purely to save face and justify not knowing how to finish what he started


Now you're lying AND showing your ignorance.


6. Devised tax strategy that favored the extremely wealthy (like himself) over those poor and middle class


More Lies and Ignorance.


7. Drastically cut or eliminated social and domestic programs, leading to disasters such as the Minneapolis bridge collapse


What the hell is WRONG with you that you'd make that kind of a statement. I mean - really - to blame GWB for the fall of that bridge is the Stupidest thing I've read in recent weeks.


8. Allowed a major American city to drown while he was on vacation

Lying again.

Gabby - how DARE you claim to be a church-going person, when you blatantly LIE in most-every politics-related post you make. IF you go to church, you're either too evil to understand what you learn, OR too self-righteous to allow yourself to get 'better'. You are ILL, Gabby...seriously Mentally and Spiritually ILL.

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...My response: :lol::laugh2::dance::laugh2::lol:

.....And all Iraqis are scared shitless. They live in constant fear. They don't know if they'll get blown to pieces on their way to the store (assuming they have money to buy food, and assuming the food store hasn't been blown up).

The whole country is in chaos. Anarchy and civil war and random murders are going on all over....


As predicted. :laugh2:

[hjmick]

dmp's lists proves that Dubya is a lunatic fruitcake.
Perhaps there should be a different list of things that Dubya has accomplished:

1. Allowed the United States to be attacked by a group of rogue outlaw terrorists.

Yeah, because that plan only took 9 months to plan and execute, all of it on GW's watch. It wasn't being planned ever since the failed attempt to bring down one of the towers back in '93. Who was President back in '93? What exactly did he do? Oh, never mind, it's all Bush's fault.


2. Refused to act on warnings that the U.S. was going to be attacked by a group of rogue outlaw terrorists

Yeah, because there was actionable intelligence. We knew exactly when, where, who, and how the attacks were going happen. What? We didn't? Oh, never mind, it's all Bush's fault.


3. Read to school children while an attack was in progress, then followed that by riding around in an airplane for 12 hours while his advisers tried to figure out what to do.

Yeah, because jumping up and reacting without a complete picture of what was going on, possibly scaring a classroom of children, made so much more sense. Forget the fact that it was a mere 7 minutes after being informed of the second plane flying into the WTC that Bush walked out of that classroom. As for flying around for 12 hours, nothing wrong there. You wouldn't want to make the man a stationary target (well, you might), and Air Force One is pretty much an airborne command center. As for his advisers trying to figure out what to do, of course they had to do that, nothing like 9/11 had ever happend, nobody knew what the hell to do. Did you know what to do? What needed to be done? Oh, never mind, it's all Bush's fault.

(And one other thing, for the record, that book was not held upside down by Bush, that frequently circulated photo is...gasp...doctored)


4. Invaded a sovereign nation to satisfy a personal grudge against that nation's leader.

Never mind that that nation, or it's leader, had ignored U.N. resolutions, never mind that it continuously shot at British and U.S. planes, never mind that this nation, or it's leadr was a proven threat to it's/his neighbors and his own people. Never mind that he had used chemical weapons on his own populace. Forget the fact that Hussein did everything he could to make the world believe he was still in control of chemical and biological weapons. Forget the fact that he was cutting checks to the families of suicide bombers. Let's overlook the fact that the use of force was authorized by Congress. Oh, never mind, it's all Bush's fault.


5. Committed the nation to a lengthy conflict that has cost well over 3,000 American lives purely to save face and justify not knowing how to finish what he started.

If you believe that the commitment in Iraq is purely an effort to save face rather than an effort to actually finish what was started, then there is no need to address this one except to say: 1.7 to 2.3 million out of a population of around 7 million murdered by the Khmer Rouge after the U.S. pullout in Vietnam. Oh, never mind, it's all Bush's fault.


6. Devised tax strategy that favored the extremely wealthy (like himself) over those poor and middle class

Everyone I know, all middle class, got something out of the tax cuts, and screwed wasn't it. Some even bought houses. Oh, never mind, it's all Bush's fault.


7. Drastically cut or eliminated social and domestic programs, leading to disasters such as the Minneapolis bridge collapse

They knew for 17 years that there were problems with that bridge and suddenly it's collapse is the result of cuts made by the Bush administration? Hennepin County can raise taxes to build a new stadium for the Twins, but they can't maintain the roads and it's the fault of the Bush administration? I'm calling bullshit on this one too. Oh, never mind, it's all Bush's fault.


8. Allowed a major American city to drown while he was on vacation

Let's ignore facts like funds for the levees being diverted to the pockets of corrupt Louisiana politicians, facts like everyone knew for decades that the levees were in need of repair, facts like Democrat Mayor Nagin left a parking lot full of school buses sit rather than use them to transport residents out of the city, facts like if you build a city next to the sea, below sea level, there's a good chance that someday this sort of thing will happen. Let's ignore facts that federal assistance can only be given after a request is recieved from the governor of a state, ignore facts like after the request was recieved from the Democrat Governor of Louisiana, the federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was heard of. The federal response to Katrina was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne, when Bush's predecessor was in office. As for vacation, like he doesn't work while on vacation? Come on, get real. Oh, never mind, it's all Bush's fault.

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Gabby - how DARE you claim to be a church-going person, when you blatantly LIE in most-every politics-related post you make. IF you go to church, you're either too evil to understand what you learn, OR too self-righteous to allow yourself to get 'better'. You are ILL, Gabby...seriously Mentally and Spiritually ILL.

Its people like her that make the rest of us have to defend bull crap accusations from people trying to attack our faith.

[-Cp]

7. Drastically cut or eliminated social and domestic programs, leading to disasters such as the Minneapolis bridge collapse



I can't take your BULLCRAP anymore.... that is BEYOND THE PALE - you are now on my ignore list....

I'm all for honest debate, but you are a RETARD.... seriously.....

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I can't take your BULLCRAP anymore.... that is BEYOND THE PALE - you are now on my ignore list....

I'm all for honest debate, but you are a RETARD.... seriously..... I think she should be voted off the island myself.

[No1tovote4]

This is one funny thread. I mean really... Can you not do a snopes search before just posting anything bad about the President? Just the least amount of research shows the originating post to be simply untrue, it was a satire article.