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stephanie
08-25-2007, 11:09 AM
Posted: September 2, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

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In a period of two weeks during August, more than 11,000 elderly French men and women died of heat stroke. It is important to note this is not nearly the scandal in France that it would be in America. In fact, upon hearing the news, French president Jacques Chirac decided to stay on vacation in Quebec, Canada.

Why not? Because, in the words of British historian Paul Johnson, the French – like most Europeans, and like most left-thinking people anywhere – love ideas more than people. The average educated European can intelligently discuss Hegel or Matisse almost as well as the average educated American – who probably never heard of Hegel or Matisse – can discuss real estate or sports.

Europe has given the world Marxism, communism, fascism, Nazism, racism and socialism, all rotten ideas that have caused immeasurable human suffering. But for Europeans and their ideological twins on the American left and at universities, ideas are not judged by their ability to ameliorate human suffering or reduce evil, but by their complexity and apparent profundity. An idea is not good because it produces good – that's unromantic American pragmatism – it is good because it sounds good.

Eleven thousand unnecessary deaths occurred in France largely because socialism inevitably breeds hedonism, selfishness and callousness.

As ironic as it may seem, but the fact is that socialism – i.e., cradle-to-grave state welfare – makes people worse.

First, the socialist mind loathes work. In France, the legal length of the work week is 35 hours. Working hard to make more money is an American value that is held in contempt by the Left. The New York Times recently featured an article describing the death of the Protestant work ethic in secular, socialist Europe and the thriving of that ethic in America – and that this explains the far greater productivity and affluence of America. The Judeo-Christian tradition values work; secularism doesn't. And as we all know from watching our children, people with a lot of time on their hands have character problems.

Second, socialism values equality more than liberty. The Norwegian government recently passed a law that the boards of its largest corporations must be half female. The California left – the Democratic Party – just passed a law that no employer may fire a male employee who wears women's clothing at work. Because the Left holds liberty (except sexual liberty) in lower esteem, Europe has raised a generation that does not value liberty nearly as much as Americans do (though we're getting there).

Third, socialism teaches you to avoid taking care of other people. The state will – why should you? If people in France and elsewhere in Europe take less care of their aging parents, it is because they are taught from childhood to allow others – i.e., the state – to take care of everybody. Just as we saw in America when the state stepped in to take care of women who had children without a husband, these women increasingly refused to marry and felt little compunction about having more babies out of wedlock. The bigger the government, the worse the people.

Read the rest at...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34372

avatar4321
08-25-2007, 03:27 PM
its difficult to conclude and idea is good because it produces good when you deny that good even exists.

truthmatters
08-25-2007, 03:40 PM
http://www.worldhealth.net/p/254,4975.html

France is havig a major heat wave which they think is caused by pollution

avatar4321
08-25-2007, 03:50 PM
http://www.worldhealth.net/p/254,4975.html

France is havig a major heat wave which they think is caused by pollution

Naturally. It cant possibly be because its summer.

truthmatters
08-25-2007, 04:41 PM
You do realize a summer can have a heat wave right?

Gaffer
08-25-2007, 05:17 PM
You do realize a summer can have a heat wave right?

Just cause its a summer heat wave doesn't mean its caused by pollutants.

avatar4321
08-25-2007, 07:26 PM
You do realize a summer can have a heat wave right?

Yes. its the environmentalist wackos who dont.

diuretic
08-25-2007, 07:58 PM
Just checking...how are the elderly doing in France this year? It's still August, so it's the hottest month of the year and I'm looking for reports of socialism killing thousands of elderly French people this year. No, can't find any yet. Just a minute, I'll keep looking....No, can't find any heat wave deaths in summer of 2004, 2005, 2006...

Did find this though - cached because the servers are down as I write this:


At least 35,000 people died as a result of the record heatwave that scorched Europe in August 2003, says an environmental think tank.

The Earth Policy Institute (EPI), based in Washington DC, warns that such deaths are likely to increase, as "even more extreme weather events lie ahead".

The EPI calculated the huge death toll from the eight western European countries with data available. "Since reports are not yet available for all European countries, the total heat death toll for the continent is likely to be substantially larger," it says in a statement.

France suffered the worst losses, with 14,802 people dying from causes attributable to the blistering heat. This is "more than 19 times the death toll from the SARS epidemic worldwide", notes the EPI.

Silent killer

August 2003 was the hottest August on record in the northern hemisphere. But projections by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predict more erratic weather, the EPI notes. By the end of this century, the average world temperature is projected to climb by 1.4 to 5.8°C.

"Though heat waves rarely are given adequate attention, they claim more lives each year than floods, tornadoes, and hurricanes combined," warns the EPI. "Heat waves are a silent killer, mostly affecting the elderly, the very young, or the chronically ill."

The searing August heat claimed about 7000 lives in Germany, nearly 4200 lives in both Spain and Italy. Over 2000 people died in the UK, with the country recording is first ever temperature over 100° Fahrenheit on 10th August.

Cooling mechanisms

High temperatures are well known to result in a rise in deaths, as is cold weather. When the body is subjected to extreme heat, it struggles to maintain its ideal temperature of 37°C. The body attempts to do this by sweating and pumping blood closer to the skin, but high heat and humidity can confound these cooling mechanisms.

If the internal body temperature rises above 40°C, vital organs are at risk and if the body cannot be cooled, death follows.

Over the last 25 years, the average global temperature has risen by 0.6°C. The World Meteorological Organization estimates that the number of heat-related deaths could double in less than 20 years.

The EPI says it is confident that the August heatwave has broken all records for heat-related deaths and says the world must cut the carbon dioxide emissions that contribute to global warming.

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn4259

Well waddya know, deaths from the heat were caused.....by the heat. Socialism is not guilty. Well, socialism should now sue Mr Prager for his blatant libel of it. Heck the idiot didn't even realise that France had a conservative government in 2003 and still has a conservative government.

Prager also reveals his bias when he blasts the French for preferring leisure time to work. Hello? Live to work or work to live? I know which side I come down on. A healthy work-life balance is essential for the individual and a nation. If you want to have less time off than any other workers in the developed world, fine, but don't slam those of us who've worked out that more time off from work is good.

Not having a shot at you Stephanie, just Prager. He is a puerile writer. He should be ashamed of this trash.

stephanie
08-25-2007, 08:09 PM
Just checking...how are the elderly doing in France this year? It's still August, so it's the hottest month of the year and I'm looking for reports of socialism killing thousands of elderly French people this year. No, can't find any yet. Just a minute, I'll keep looking....No, can't find any heat wave deaths in summer of 2004, 2005, 2006...

Did find this though - cached because the servers are down as I write this:



http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn4259

Well waddya know, deaths from the heat were caused.....by the heat. Socialism is not guilty. Well, socialism should now sue Mr Prager for his blatant libel of it. Heck the idiot didn't even realise that France had a conservative government in 2003 and still has a conservative government.

Prager also reveals his bias when he blasts the French for preferring leisure time to work. Hello? Live to work or work to live? I know which side I come down on. A healthy work-life balance is essential for the individual and a nation. If you want to have less time off than any other workers in the developed world, fine, but don't slam those of us who've worked out that more time off from work is good.

Not having a shot at you Stephanie, just Prager. He is a puerile writer. He should be ashamed of this trash.

I didn't feel your shot was at me, dear..
I could tell you were upset with Prager, though..:cheers2:

diuretic
08-25-2007, 08:58 PM
I didn't feel your shot was at me, dear..
I could tell you were upset with Prager, though..:cheers2:

Damn, it showed that much? :laugh2: