The numbers are in, and Trump's tax cut didn't reduce the deficit

[pete311]

The numbers are in, and Trump's tax cut didn't reduce the deficit – despite his many promises



On the campaign trail, Trump first proposed a $10 trillion tax cut, far larger than any Republican rival's, but insisted it wouldn't boost the federal budget deficit because the economy would "take off like a rocket ship."
Though Trump sharply pared back this proposal, he continued to maintain the deficit wouldn't rise.
That claim was politically important for congressional Republicans who used it to convince holdout lawmakers to vote yes.
But even as growth has accelerated, the Treasury reported that the 2018 deficit swelled to $779 billion. That level, the highest in six years, marks a 17 percent increase over 2017.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/16/trumps-tax-cut-didnt-reduce-the-deficit--despite-his-many-promises.html

[FakeNewsSux]

The numbers are in, and Trump's tax cut didn't reduce the deficit – despite his many promises



On the campaign trail, Trump first proposed a $10 trillion tax cut, far larger than any Republican rival's, but insisted it wouldn't boost the federal budget deficit because the economy would "take off like a rocket ship."
Though Trump sharply pared back this proposal, he continued to maintain the deficit wouldn't rise.
That claim was politically important for congressional Republicans who used it to convince holdout lawmakers to vote yes.
But even as growth has accelerated, the Treasury reported that the 2018 deficit swelled to $779 billion. That level, the highest in six years, marks a 17 percent increase over 2017.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/16/trumps-tax-cut-didnt-reduce-the-deficit--despite-his-many-promises.html

All this proves is that Washington will always spend far more than it brings in. Once again proving the point that the most dangerous addiction for this society is Washington's addiction to our tax dollars. Since the Swamp will always spend more than it takes in, why not abolish all taxes? Since the deficit doesn't matter, why not let everyone keep what they make and let the politicians spend whatever they want?

[pete311]

All this proves is that Washington will always spend far more than it brings in. Once again proving the point that the most dangerous addiction for this society is Washington's addiction to our tax dollars. Since the Swamp will always spend more than it takes in, why not abolish all taxes? Since the deficit doesn't matter, why not let everyone keep what they make and let the politicians spend whatever they want?

Yup because they gave a tax cut to the rich and corporations when they promised it would boost revenue. Now they will gut medicare and SS which is mostly used by elderly.

[FakeNewsSux]

Yup because they gave a tax cut to the rich and corporations when they promised it would boost revenue. Now they will gut medicare and SS which is mostly used by elderly.

Damn Pete, you must be older than I thought you were. These are the same old, tired scare tactics the Dems have been using since the 1960's. Everything old is new again, I guess.

[aboutime]

Yup because they gave a tax cut to the rich and corporations when they promised it would boost revenue. Now they will gut medicare and SS which is mostly used by elderly.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/1/1616213/-New-Democrat-Talking-Points
These need to be the top 10 talking points for all Democrats when discussing politics on any level; federal, state or local. Grow a pair Democrats. Stop conceding points and have a back-bone. Be loud, proud and confident in your views of caring about average Americans, not just the mega-rich elites.

Republicans care only about the rich.
It’s about clean air and clean water, dummies.
Republicans need to stop lying.
Alex Jones
Workers’ Rights/Higher wages
Russia/Trump’s Tax Returns
Voting
Trump is a sexual predator.
This feels shady.
Give emotion, not just facts.
Republicans care only about the rich. The massive tax cuts proposed go almost entirely to the top tier of American Society. We are giving billions away while cutting support for the elderly and the poor. Republicans support Feudalism.
It’s about clean air and clean water, dummies. Yes, Global warming is very real, but who in their right mind is against clean air and clean water?
Republicans need to stop lying. Yes, you did win the election, but many of your claims are outrageous lies. The Republican leadership said nothing about Russia’s interference in hacking and releasing stolen e-mails before the election. President Elect Trump has actually lied under oath hundreds of times. Trump can’t even tell the truth about his height. He is 6 ‘2” and obese, not 6 ‘3” and borderline obese.
Alex Jones. Any official who quotes Alex Jones is admitting they are ignorant fools who would not know the truth if it bit them in the ass. Sandy Hook was real. Pizzagate. Birthers.
Workers’ Rights/Higher Wages. Republicans hate workers and unions. Privatization always leads to lower wages for workers. Privatization always leads to higher prices for consumers. The Supreme Court will likely throw out union dues, essentially killing unions when the Supreme Court gets their 9th justice. This was a 4-4 decision in Friedrichs vs. CTA after the death of Justice Scalia. Republicans consistently oppose raising the minimum wage at all , and many want to eliminate it altogether crushing the working poor.
Russia/Trump’s Tax Returns. Why did Trump ask Russia to hack in late July? We all know that Russia wanted Trump to win. Trump must be forced to release his tax records to prove he has no actual business ties to Putin or other criminal elements of Russia.
7. Voting. The Republicans will always oppose changing the Electoral College because it favors them. However, we can change Election Day voting returns. All absentee ballots should be counted beforehand and released at 8 a.m. on Election day for each state. There should also be a running count, so everyone knows who is ahead. Imagine watching any sport without an available score. If the candidate you dislike is winning, go to the polls and encourage your friends to do so.

8. Trump is a sexual predator. Democrats need to treat Trump as Republicans have tarred Bill Clinton. Trump has told several girls, under 16 that he would date them in a few years. (It’s on tape.) He has bragged about walking in on girls as young as 15 while changing. (It’s on tape) ( Access Hollywood Tape.) Countless other instances.

9. This feels shady. If it feels shady it is shady. Trump University Fraud Settlement. Trump’s non-release of tax returns because he is hiding something? (Questionable business associates/doesn’t give to charity.) Hotel across the street from the White House. (Pay for Play.) Trump has deleted thousands of emails against court orders. Billionaire/Millionaire cabinet picks who hate workers’ rights and want more pollution? Trump has no moral compass.

10. Give emotion, not just facts. Republicans are much better at staying on point of attack than are Democrats. This must change. They must be angry when necessary and call out the lies and bullshit for what they are. Democrats, stop being soft!!

The Blunt Liberal
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/26/fact-check-democrats-repeating-misleading-talking-point-tax-cuts/1070287001/
Fact check: Democrats are repeating a misleading talking point about tax cuts
The Republican tax plan was signed into law just last month, and Democrats already have a well-worn — and misleading — talking point about it: 83% of the tax cuts go to the wealthiest 1%. That’s true for 2027 but only because most of the individual income tax changes expire by then.

In 2025 — the last year before those tax changes expire — only a quarter of the tax cuts go to the top 1%.

It’s a classic case of politicians using a technically accurate statistic but without the context or explanation it requires. Without all the facts, the talking point leaves a misleading impression.

Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio used a version of the tax line in a Jan. 23 press availability, saying that “more than 80% of that tax cut went to the — goes to the wealthiest 1%.” But he’s part of a long list of Democrats who favor the phrase.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi repeatedly has said that “83% of the benefits go to the top 1%.” It’s a line included in Senate press releases and emphasized three times in one Democratic press availability in late December, by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (twice) and Sen. Bernie Sanders, who did note that this was “at the end of 10 years” and that the “middle class” tax breaks “expire at the end of eight years.”

The important missing context is that the final tax legislation, which President Trump signed into law Dec. 22, allows most of its individual income tax provisions to expire by 2027, making the tax benefit distribution more lopsided for the top 1% than in earlier years.

In 2018, according to an analysis by the Tax Policy Center, the top 1% of income earners would glean 20.5% of the tax cut benefits — a sizable chunk, but far less than the figure that’s preferred by Democrats. And in 2025, that percentage would be 25.3%, with the top 1% (those earning above $837,800) getting an average tax cut of $61,090.

Just two years later, in 2027, the percentage of tax benefits to this income group jumps to 82.8%, “because almost all individual income tax provisions would sunset after 2025,” explains TPC. The top 1% still benefits from some of the remaining tax cuts, such as reducing the top corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%. But their average tax cut drops by nearly two-thirds to $20,660 in 2027.

So while a lot more of the benefits go to the top 1 percent that year, there are fewer benefits to go around. Without those individual income tax provisions, all taxpayers see an average $160 tax cut in 2027, while the average tax cut for all taxpayers in 2025 is $1,570.

[Noir]

Mapping the deficit/surplus data over time as a share of GDP shows a pretty consistent picture the last few decades - these kinds of deficit increases outside times of recession are not typical of recent history, which should be a worry.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181020/bb336c78cdaad5886ad2a151eec0c98c.jpg

[pete311]

Damn Pete, you must be older than I thought you were. These are the same old, tired scare tactics the Dems have been using since the 1960's. Everything old is new again, I guess.

Kinda like trickle down theory. It's never worked. Keep trying though.

[Abbey Marie]

Damn Pete, you must be older than I thought you were. These are the same old, tired scare tactics the Dems have been using since the 1960's. Everything old is new again, I guess.

When you have nothing to offer, scare tactics are all you have.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Now pay attention folks... in this video clip, Pete is dealing Faro, and Elessar approaches him...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7J6dRkJjOI

[Elessar]

Now pay attention folks... in this video clip, Pete is dealing Faro, and Elessar approaches him...



Amusing! You outdid yourself!:laugh:

[pete311]

When you have nothing to offer, scare tactics are all you have.

What scare tactics? The numbers are in. You just bailed out rich people. Funny how fast you guys ditch caring about the national debt. I should go pull out quote from the tax cut thread where you guys all say it will pay for itself.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

What scare tactics? The numbers are in. You just bailed out rich people. Funny how fast you guys ditch caring about the national debt. I should go pull out quote from the tax cut thread where you guys all say it will pay for itself.
No... sorry little Pete, Aboutime proved that wrong and you just blew past the post. When "the rich" have been paying 90% of all the taxes in America, a tax cut to them was well deserved, unless you're just a die hard socialist.

[pete311]

No... sorry little Pete, Aboutime proved that wrong and you just blew past the post. When "the rich" have been paying 90% of all the taxes in America, a tax cut to them was well deserved, unless you're just a died hard socialist.

And you blew right past the topic of the thread. The fact is Trump said the tax cut would pay for itself. Instead it rose the deficit 17% in one year to a six year high.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

And you blew right past the topic of the thread. The fact is Trump said the tax cut would pay for itself. Instead it rose the deficit 17% in one year to a six year high.
Did you not know that the president doesn't write the budget or spend the money in America? Congress does. He could have proclaimed he'd wipe the deficit out, but it's not up to him. Maybe he didn't know that not being a politician like the rest of the shit bags in Washington. But obama DOUBLED the national debt in his two terms, and he had one of the worst economies in the history of this nation. 48 million more on food stamps, jobs lost in the millions, trade deficits from hell, and the kenyan told Americans... "THOSE JOBS JUST AREN'T COMING BACK," and then he went on to say... "HOW DOES TRUMP PLAN ON BRINGING THOSE JOBS BACK... IS HE GOING TO WAVE A MAGIC WAND OR SOMETHING"... in his usual wise ass flapping his ignorant America hating fat lips... well, yes, the jobs ARE coming back, and yes, the economy IS SMOKING... but the deficit is something CONGRESS is going to have to address. President Trump can make all the difference he can with our economy and jobs, but he's not going to effect the debt without congress. In fact, the president has done his part, but with all that extra money flowing into Washington, all we have now is a bunch of a jackasses up there salivating over HOW TO SPEND IT. Paying down the debt is the last thing on their minds, and that is NOT President Trump's fault.

But then, you KNEW all that... you just like to cherry pick your little ASININE talking points as if you actually had something to BITCH about, in typical leftist angry democrat mob fashion. That's why you people are losing, Pete... and if you can't see that... you're dumber than a sack of horse piss.

[Abbey Marie]

What scare tactics? The numbers are in. You just bailed out rich people. Funny how fast you guys ditch caring about the national debt. I should go pull out quote from the tax cut thread where you guys all say it will pay for itself.

“Trump will destroy health care”

“Trump will gut Medicare”

”Trump will set women’s rights back 100 years”

”Trump will get us into WWIII”

Etc.

[pete311]

“Trump will destroy health care”

“Trump will gut Medicare”

”Trump will set women’s rights back 100 years”

”Trump will get us into WWIII”

Etc.

I'm sorry but what does that have to do with Trump and the republicans saying the tax cut would not add to the deficit and then it actually did? Again, are you guys ditching caring about the national debt? McConnell went on record this past week that he's going to look at medicare and SS to neutralize what the cut did. Is that what you are talking about?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

“Trump will destroy health care”

“Trump will gut Medicare”

”Trump will set women’s rights back 100 years”

”Trump will get us into WWIII”

Etc.
Yep... all the angry democrat mob has to offer people is ANGER, and HATE, and SOCIALISM, and INCIVILITY, etc... it's frickin' pathetic, and I do believe most Americans see it, regardless of the democrat propaganda wing.

[pete311]

Yep... all the angry democrat mob has to offer people is ANGER, and HATE, and SOCIALISM, and INCIVILITY, etc... it's frickin' pathetic, and I do believe most Americans see it, regardless of the democrat propaganda wing.

This has to do with Trump lying about the tax cut how?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

This has to do with Trump lying about the tax cut how?
Reread post #5 and #14... and then stop posting like your brain is just a kernel of shit hanging off your ass.

Seriously... do you think you impress anyone here when you talk like you're retarded?

[pete311]

Reread post #5 and #14... and then stop posting like your brain is just a kernel of shit hanging off your ass.

Seriously... do you think you impress anyone here when you talk like you're retarded?

So your Olympic level rationalization is that Trump needed to lie to get the tax cut to get the jobs? Cool, now what's the plan to lower the deficit and national debt other than leveling medicare and SS which old people depend on. Even completely ending food stamps doesn't nearly dent it. I don't suppose you've even attempted the math.

[aboutime]

Petey. You obviously have no idea, or concept about economics. In fact. You sound more like Kamala Harris...promising families $500 dollars as a ploy to get them to vote for her.
I cannot disagree that the debt has grown since the TAX breaks took effect, but...WHAT YOU and other uninformed Liberal, Snowflakes fail to understand is...how inserting More Money into the economy brings, what we all see, is happening. MORE JOBS for Everyone. More Pay for EVERYONE not just Corporations, or the Rich...which, if you had a lick of sence, would be YOURSELF, compared to millions of Americans who are now starting to improve their lives..because of the TAX breaks, and less interference by the Govt.

So petey. You can keep coming here to REPEAT the same LIBERAL-DEMOCRAT lies as much as you want. BUT.....I'll bet. YOU WILL NEVER RETURN ANY OF THE MONEY YOU CLAIM...is being given to Only the RICH???

By the way petey. If Teaching ECONOMICS by professors is to teach people how to become RICH, and Successful. Why do they settle for just teaching? Why aren't they working on WALL STREET, pulling in the BIG BUCKS?

[pete311]

Petey. You obviously have no idea, or concept about economics. In fact. You sound more like Kamala Harris...promising families $500 dollars as a ploy to get them to vote for her.
I cannot disagree that the debt has grown since the TAX breaks took effect, but...WHAT YOU and other uninformed Liberal, Snowflakes fail to understand is...how inserting More Money into the economy brings, what we all see, is happening. MORE JOBS for Everyone. More Pay for EVERYONE not just Corporations, or the Rich...which, if you had a lick of sence, would be YOURSELF, compared to millions of Americans who are now starting to improve their lives..because of the TAX breaks, and less interference by the Govt.

So petey. You can keep coming here to REPEAT the same LIBERAL-DEMOCRAT lies as much as you want. BUT.....I'll bet. YOU WILL NEVER RETURN ANY OF THE MONEY YOU CLAIM...is being given to Only the RICH???

By the way petey. If Teaching ECONOMICS by professors is to teach people how to become RICH, and Successful. Why do they settle for just teaching? Why aren't they working on WALL STREET, pulling in the BIG BUCKS?

You still need to show how more jobs ends up paying off the national debt, especially when the taxes on those jobs is reduced. What exactly do you think that reported I linked off of studied? We've had more jobs for a year and it's only increasing the national debt.

ugh, no one thinks learning economics is about getting rich. that is seriously dumb.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

So your Olympic level rationalization is that Trump needed to lie to get the tax cut to get the jobs? Cool, now what's the plan to lower the deficit and national debt other than leveling medicare and SS which old people depend on. Even completely ending food stamps doesn't nearly dent it. I don't suppose you've even attempted the math.
So your intergalactic, pink pussy hat, hey-hey, ho-ho chant is, PRESIDENT Trump LIED to get TAX CUTS? And you think that he can ALONE, WITHOUT CONGRESS, lower the national BY HIMSELF?

For the love of God, boy, do you know who STUPID you sound? NO president, ALONE, can lower the national debt. It's up to CONGRESS, for CHRIST SAKE. Stop talking like you're a FIVE YEAR OLD.

But just for the record, you know how the national debt will ever get paid off? I do... it would have to be WIPED OUT BY PEN. It will NEVER be PAID OFF by PAYING ON IT, EVER, BY ANYONE. It's virtually impossible, and you know it as well as I do. That filthy kenyan muslim dog turd DOUBLING it didn't help anything. Where were you bitching about it then.

[FakeNewsSux]

Kinda like trickle down theory. It's never worked. Keep trying though.

What do you mean Pete, it works every day. Every time the liberals think they have Pres. Trump's head on the chopping block, his approval numbers go up and he gets another win in Congress or the economic numbers go up. Consequently, the liberals collectively piss their pants and everyone watches it trickle down their legs!

But seriously Pete, you should get past the liberal buzzwords and talking points and gain some basic economic knowledge. If businesses and investors have more disposable income more economic activity is generated. As each individual's utility function is maximized the wealth of the society as a whole increases. Put down "Das Kapital" and pick up a copy of "Free To Choose", you might learn something useful.

[aboutime]

You still need to show how more jobs ends up paying off the national debt, especially when the taxes on those jobs is reduced. What exactly do you think that reported I linked off of studied? We've had more jobs for a year and it's only increasing the national debt.

ugh, no one thinks learning economics is about getting rich. that is seriously dumb.


Guess you are unaware, or don't want to know...US ECONOMY FISCAL POLICY
Current U.S. Federal Government Tax Revenue
Who Really Pays Uncle Sam's Bills?
https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762
Petey.....your Democrat/Liberal/Snowflake friends who hate Trump will NEVER want you to know any of this. It makes all of you look....REALLY STUPID.

[pete311]

Guess you are unaware, or don't want to know...US ECONOMY FISCAL POLICY
Current U.S. Federal Government Tax Revenue
Who Really Pays Uncle Sam's Bills?
https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762
Petey.....your Democrat/Liberal/Snowflake friends who hate Trump will NEVER want you to know any of this. It makes all of you look....REALLY STUPID.

The deficit rose 17% this year. I ask again, whatcha gonna do about it?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The deficit rose 17% this year. I ask again, whatcha gonna do about it?
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[pete311]

God you're pathetic ------------------ http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/laughter.gif (http://www.sherv.net/)

Yet you can't tell me. 21 trillion and counting with 779 billion as the deficit. You guys tell me jobs will turn it positive and yet that hasn't happened so....

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Yet you can't tell me. 21 trillion and counting with 779 billion as the deficit. You guys tell me jobs will turn it positive and yet that hasn't happened so....
How about this Pete, you tell us how the kenyan did with the national debt. Compare your magic negro to President Trump... just regale us with your wisdom on the subject. Do a comparison, maybe you could even persuade us that you're not just a leftist gas bag full of hypocritical bull shit.

[CSM]

The deficit rose 17% this year. I ask again, whatcha gonna do about it?

I'm going to insist that every American citizen stop working.... since working doesn't seem to help .... but then that is exactly what the libs want isn't it?... We all get our money from the government....

That's some logic you got there Pete!

[Gunny]

Another dream world "Gotcha" moment brought to us by pete311 and his Dembulb-think. Forget all the facts, Trump is a liar because he didn't keep his promise :rolleyes:

Never mind the elephant in the room. For each and every Trump promise there is one or more Dem obstruction. When you look at ALL the facts, the "liar" is YOU, pete.

But DO give a lesson. The President makes a promise contingent on the rest of the government doing ITS job and he keeps his end of the bargain. What do the Dems do? do we have a budget? I STILL haven't heard of a budget being past for FY 18 never mind FY 19. WHOSE job is THAT, pete? *Jeopardy theme plays* The Dimbulbs shit all over themselves shutting down the government. Y'all sure sure looked righteous and good coming out of that. If scalded cats is your idea of "looking good".

So IF the deficit is "more" (like that's anything new), it' s the obstructionist Dems fault, and the fault of the fat cat bureaucracy that can't resist spending on itself.

So go pound sand, little bitch. Just another FAIL for you.

[pete311]

Nope, there was no contingency. Trump and the Republicans sold the tax cut on that it would not add to the deficit. It did. You guys completely stopped caring about the national debt the minute it became inconvenient.

[Gunny]

Nope, there was no contingency. Trump and the Republicans sold the tax cut on that it would not add to the deficit. It did. You guys completely stopped caring about the national debt the minute it became inconvenient.Wrong. Your thread title is a lie, and you are a liar. Can't call you anything else once you have been educated with the truth and facts.

Trump's plan did not include Dems obstructing everything he says, does or thinks just because he's Trump. I think not even the most cynical of us with bar set as low for you as it was expected the petty childishness from the Dems that's been on display the past almost-2 years. I can promise you I'm going to clean my room but if you come in and trash it 10 minutes before I do, aside from the fact you would die, you changed the game plan. Simple analogy.

Trump can't do anything about the you idiots continually screwing yourselves and willingness to put it on display. You're a joke. You have nothing. Except yet another wishful thinking thread.

But DO continue on with your current behavior. Encourage your elected officials and friends to as well. It's working so well for you :salute:

[pete311]

Wrong. Your thread title is a lie, and you are a liar. Can't call you anything else once you have been educated with the truth and facts.

Trump's plan did not include Dems obstructing everything he says, does or thinks just because he's Trump. I think not even the most cynical of us with bar set as low for you as it was expected the petty childishness from the Dems that's been on display the past almost-2 years. I can promise you I'm going to clean my room but if you come in and trash it 10 minutes before I do, aside from the fact you would die, you changed the game plan. Simple analogy.

Trump can't do anything about the you idiots continually screwing yourselves and willingness to put it on display. You're a joke. You have nothing. Except yet another wishful thinking thread.

But DO continue on with your current behavior. Encourage your elected officials and friends to as well. It's working so well for you :salute:

The facts are Trump promised the tax cut would not raise the deficit. The facts are it DID. Are you refuting the deficit amount? Exactly what "dem obstruction" is responsible for a 17% deficit increase? Please do tell.

[jimnyc]

Another dream world "Gotcha" moment brought to us by pete311 and his Dembulb-think. Forget all the facts, Trump is a liar because he didn't keep his promise :rolleyes:

Never mind the elephant in the room. For each and every Trump promise there is one or more Dem obstruction. When you look at ALL the facts, the "liar" is YOU, pete.

But DO give a lesson. The President makes a promise contingent on the rest of the government doing ITS job and he keeps his end of the bargain. What do the Dems do? do we have a budget? I STILL haven't heard of a budget being past for FY 18 never mind FY 19. WHOSE job is THAT, pete? *Jeopardy theme plays* The Dimbulbs shit all over themselves shutting down the government. Y'all sure sure looked righteous and good coming out of that. If scalded cats is your idea of "looking good".

So IF the deficit is "more" (like that's anything new), it' s the obstructionist Dems fault, and the fault of the fat cat bureaucracy that can't resist spending on itself.

So go pound sand, little bitch. Just another FAIL for you.

Post of the month award!!

I didn't even bother with this one. Another gotcha, another fail. And anything worthy of writing more than one sentence will be met with a one liner, and a repeat one liner no less. The fail is congress, the obstruction and anyone with 1/1024th of a native American's brain would know that.

Regardless of the gotcha crap....

still WINNING!! And not the slightest bit tired of it. Between the WINNING and the WHINING of the bitches, just a dual win all the way around for a few years now, and gets better daily!! :beer:

[pete311]

Post of the month award!!

I didn't even bother with this one. Another gotcha, another fail. And anything worthy of writing more than one sentence will be met with a one liner, and a repeat one liner no less. The fail is congress, the obstruction and anyone with 1/1024th of a native American's brain would know that.

Regardless of the gotcha crap....

still WINNING!! And not the slightest bit tired of it. Between the WINNING and the WHINING of the bitches, just a dual win all the way around for a few years now, and gets better daily!! :beer:

How is 17% increase in deficit winning? I don't get your logic here. What is the obstruction? Even ending food stamps isn't enough to make the difference.

[NightTrain]

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[FakeNewsSux]

The facts are Trump promised the tax cut would not raise the deficit. The facts are it DID. Are you refuting the deficit amount? Exactly what "dem obstruction" is responsible for a 17% deficit increase? Please do tell.

The facts are that the tax cut increased revenue to the government. The Democrat demand for vastly increased "domestic spending" in exchange for an increase in long neglected military spending was responsible for the deficit increase. Also, since when do you or other liberals give a damn about the deficit? I thought you clowns all subscribed to the anarchist wet dream of the destruction of the state through Cloward and Piven's model of hyper welfare spending the state into bankruptcy.

[pete311]

The facts are that the tax cut increased revenue to the government. The Democrat demand for vastly increased "domestic spending" in exchange for an increase in long neglected military spending was responsible for the deficit increase. Also, since when do you or other liberals give a damn about the deficit? I thought you clowns all subscribed to the anarchist wet dream of the destruction of the state through Cloward and Piven's model of hyper welfare spending the state into bankruptcy.

So what are you going to cut? Not enough money in food stamps. Going to cut medicare and SS?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

So what are you going to cut? Not enough money in food stamps. Going to cut medicare and SS?
You talking to us? We can't cut jack shit.

WTF are you going to cut?

[pete311]

You talking to us? We can't cut jack shit.

WTF are you going to cut?

Playin semantics, cool. What should congress cut?

[aboutime]

How is 17% increase in deficit winning? I don't get your logic here. What is the obstruction? Even ending food stamps isn't enough to make the difference.

How bout you tell us how the Dems, who want Medicare & Medicaid for All, will come up with the 34 TRILLION over 10 years to pay for it?

And, when you tell us about cutting our Defense Budget, and Taxing the job makers...aka Corporations who employ Americans. What will having FREE medical do for all if we no longer have a COUNTRY...other than occupied by ILLEGALS who get everything FREE...that YOU pay for??

Ever heard the expression. "You have to spend money to Make money?" That's what the additional 2 Trillion (which is being paid back) from the Debt of existing 21 TRILLION before Trump arrived. But, being the Economic Genius you want us to believe you are...we're not supposed to ask questions that make YOU look like an IDIOT.

[pete311]

How bout you tell us how the Dems, who want Medicare & Medicaid for All, will come up with the 34 TRILLION over 10 years to pay for it?

And, when you tell us about cutting our Defense Budget, and Taxing the job makers...aka Corporations who employ Americans. What will having FREE medical do for all if we no longer have a COUNTRY...other than occupied by ILLEGALS who get everything FREE...that YOU pay for??

Ever heard the expression. "You have to spend money to Make money?" That's what the additional 2 Trillion (which is being paid back) from the Debt of existing 21 TRILLION before Trump arrived. But, being the Economic Genius you want us to believe you are...we're not supposed to ask questions that make YOU look like an IDIOT.

How should I know, I don't support medicare for all.

Again you guys have no answers other than an idiotic "you gotta spend money to make money". Well so far it ain't working, the numbers are right there. So I ask again, what do you want congress to cut?

[aboutime]

How should I know, I don't support medicare for all.

Again you guys have no answers other than an idiotic "you gotta spend money to make money". Well so far it ain't working, the numbers are right there. So I ask again, what do you want congress to cut?


Congress needs to cut WELFARE for anyone who CAN WORK. Anyone collecting as a family, while the invisible partner...(living next door...who makes babies) collects WELFARE called DOUBLE-DIPPING, Food Stamps, Medicaid, and They HAVE N0 PROPER IDENTIFICATION???
Let's not forget ALL ILLEGALS who get EVERYTHING for FREE, that YOU, and I pay for. But...WE ARE NOT ELIGIBLE to receive at all.
And Free Education/College for all. That is a major LIE. We already have Government Schools, called PUBLIC schools. And the Colleges who get GOVERNMENT FUNDING also collect OUT OF CONTROL funding to subsidize OVERPAID administrations who allow ANTIFA to control their college campus'. ALL OF THAT IS CALLED SOCIALISM!
SHALL I GO ON?
And a reminder petey. Margaret Thatcher once said: http://thequotes.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Margaret-Thatcher-Quotes-5.jpg

[pete311]

Congress needs to cut WELFARE for anyone who CAN WORK. Anyone collecting as a family, while the invisible partner...(living next door...who makes babies) collects WELFARE called DOUBLE-DIPPING, Food Stamps, Medicaid, and They HAVE N0 PROPER IDENTIFICATION???
Let's not forget ALL ILLEGALS who get EVERYTHING for FREE, that YOU, and I pay for. But...WE ARE NOT ELIGIBLE to receive at all.
And Free Education/College for all. That is a major LIE. We already have Government Schools, called PUBLIC schools. And the Colleges who get GOVERNMENT FUNDING also collect OUT OF CONTROL funding to subsidize OVERPAID administrations who allow ANTIFA to control their college campus'. ALL OF THAT IS CALLED SOCIALISM!
SHALL I GO ON?

Unemployment welfare is only 33.3 billion. Food stamps are 70 billion. Medicaid is 554 billion. That is a start, but that would end medical insurance for about 70 million people. Good luck with that. The rest I doubt are worth much. Have you even done the numbers?

btw, don't any of you dare take out more SS than you put in, don't you dare. Also military pensions are absolutely welfare. I thank you for your service, but the minute you leave I don't want to subsidize your life.

also,

First 19 months of the Trump Administration: 3.58 millions jobs


Last 19 months of the Obama Administration: 3.96 million jobs


Job growth has technically slowed since Trump became President

[Elessar]

Unemployment welfare is only 33.3 billion. Food stamps are 70 billion. Medicaid is 554 billion. That is a start, but that would end medical insurance for about 70 million people. Good luck with that. The rest I doubt are worth much. Have you even done the numbers?

btw, don't any of you dare take out more SS than you put in, don't you dare. Also military pensions are absolutely welfare. I thank you for your service, but the minute you leave I don't want to subsidize your life

For one, if you do not like SS, that is pretty much required for you to contribute to,
then cancel your account. See how far That gets you!

Moreover, why should WE, who have been putting money into SS since our first paychecks,
subsidize the lives of illegals or people too lazy to work? Why do you allow those types
to draw on OUR accounts?

Retirees with over 20 years service are not paid pensions, Bright Boy! It is
called 'Retirement Pay' because unless medically retired, we are subject to recall
to Active Duty in case of a National Emergency.

[aboutime]

If petey thinks my Military Retirement is anything like Welfare, or a Handout. I hope petey is able to save his pennies in case he decides to retire from whatever Hoax he now works for. If you work 20 or 30 years petey. Will you just look forward to surviving after you reach 65, or if you become disabled with NOTHING but the Good Will clothes on your back?

Thank GOD the military doesn't take people like you. You wouldn't last long enough to scrub a urinal with your toothbrush before eating breakfast.

As for being unsuccessful in life. What is your definition of Misery, as you live it petey?

Don't know what DNC papers you got your numbers from. But they are frightfully, and terribly low. Bet you are looking forward to Kamala Harris' promise of $500. dollars, huh socialist?
By the way petey. We all know you don't really THANK US for our service. That's just more of the P.C. liberal, phony trash you repeat...but never really mean. Since you despise the Military, and thankfully...we know you are 4F.

[pete311]

Garry Kasparav said it best:

"The usual contradictions of fascist rhetoric. We’re superior, but victims. We’re in charge, but our opposition is to blame for everything. We’re winning, but be afraid all the time."

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Garry Kasparav said it best:

"The usual contradictions of fascist rhetoric. We’re superior, but victims. We’re in charge, but our opposition is to blame for everything. We’re winning, but be afraid all the time."
Yep... that's some of the best projection I've read so far today from a mongrel dem... but it's still early.

[aboutime]

Garry Kasparav said it best:

"The usual contradictions of fascist rhetoric. We’re superior, but victims. We’re in charge, but our opposition is to blame for everything. We’re winning, but be afraid all the time."


Imagine YOU...quoting an actual Russian Fascist, hero of yours?

Communism and Socialism are Synonymous in meaning, and followers.
What is the difference between Communism and Socialism? By David Floyd | Updated January 5, 2018 — 12:45 PM EST
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/100214/what-difference-between-communism-and-socialism.asp
petey....you remain, constantly comical, and sadly, totally uninformed, other than the programmed talking points you swear by here.:laugh:

[Noir]

Imagine YOU...quoting an actual Russian Fascist, hero of yours?[/B]

Slightly off topic eh - but I’d like to know why you would call Kasparov a fascist?

[aboutime]

Slightly off topic eh - but I’d like to know why you would call Kasparov a fascist?

Kasperov could be a leader in OUR Democrat party if he was here.

2016 United States presidential election
In the United States presidential election, 2016, Kasparov described Republican front-runner Donald Trump as "a celebrity showman with racist leanings and authoritarian tendencies",[119] and criticised Trump for calling for closer ties with Vladimir Putin,[120] and responded to Trump's running mate, Mike Pence, calling Putin a strong leader, that Putin is a strong leader "in the same way arsenic is a strong drink".[121] He also criticised the economic policies of Democratic primary candidate Bernie Sanders, but showed respect for Sanders as "a charismatic speaker and a passionate believer in his cause".[122]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Kasparov

[Gunny]

Poor pete311. STILL running with the EPIC FAIL. "I know, let's deflect from the facts and demand to know who the Republicans are going to screw to pay for it" :rolleyes:

Answer's the same, Pete. Democrat obstructionism screwed the people, and want to blame Trump for it. How IS that "blame Trump" game working out for y'all losers, anyway?

Tell me Pete, WHO is going to pay for B-blah-blah's trillion dollar debacle of an 8 year depressed economy with staggering unemployment rates? You as how "we" are going to pay for Trump's tax cuts -- how are YOU going to fix the abortive state of the government your monarch left? Who's going to pay for THAT? Partisan criminals running the DOJ. idiots for elected officials permeate the Democratic party and Congress. A divided nation. An economy that didn't move a mm in 8 years except to go further in the hole.

As usual, you have ZERO rounds in your magazine yet try to go on the offense. Get to fixing the shit YOUR party f-d up and is STILL f-ing up before you even try demanding anyone else fix jack shit.

The Democrats are losers playing a losing game. Been in cahoots with the MSM for so long you don't know to act now that you don't control the information war. I have to admit, I AM surprised. I figured y'all would smarten up to the game by now. I didn't count on y'all being as infantile as you are.

[Elessar]

Poor pete311.

The Democrats are losers playing a losing game. Been in cahoots with the MSM for so long you don't know to act now that you don't control the information war. I have to admit, I AM surprised. I figured y'all would smarten up to the game by now. I didn't count on y'all being as infantile as you are.

I am afraid you expect too much of them. They are so blinded
by the liberal ideology that they need guide and comfort dogs to assuage them.

Poor piss-little Pull-Ups wearers.

[Gunny]

I am afraid you expect too much of them. They are so blinded
by the liberal ideology that they need guide and comfort dogs to assuage them.

Poor piss-little Pull-Ups wearers.I NEVER underestimate an enemy I mean to destroy. I'll take over-prepared and anticlimactic over "surprise!" EVERY time.

[Elessar]

I NEVER underestimate an enemy I mean to destroy. I'll take over-prepared and anticlimactic over "surprise!" EVERY time.

Horseshit. You are a warrior and defend.

Keep going! Idiots like pete311 need to be left in the dust, bleeding,
wondering where their savior Obama has snuck off to.

[Gunny]

Horseshit. You are a warrior and defend.

Keep going! Idiots like @pete311 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1821) need to be left in the dust, bleeding,
wondering where their savior Obama has snuck off to.I think you missed my point. Any opponent of mine when the stakes are real is Irwin Rommel. If he turns out to be Sad Sack, guess I got a lot more firepower than I need.

And defend Hell. Look at my posts. I went on the offense. "Defense" in the Corps is waiting on the ammo to catch up :)

[NightTrain]

Also military pensions are absolutely welfare. I thank you for your service, but the minute you leave I don't want to subsidize your life.



You need your commie ass kicked for saying that.

Every time I think you've finally bottomed out on being a fucking scumbag, you outdo yourself. You're a fucking disgrace to my country.

[Gunny]

You need your commie ass kicked for saying that.

Every time I think you've finally bottomed out on being a fucking scumbag, you outdo yourself. You're a fucking disgrace to my country.I missed THIS one from the idiot @pete311 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1821)

FYI, shit for brains, I don't care what YOUR pussy ass wants. If people like YOU made decisions we'd still be Royal subjects of the Crown.

I entered into a contract for my services; which, at the end of said services, I was to receive a retirement package and benefits. Same as if I worked for ANY other corporation/business. I have permanent, service-related injuries for which I am compensated. I got the injuries in the line of duty carrying out the missions assigned me by THIS, and YOUR, country. Don't like that answer? Leave. It doesn't have to be yours and I personally don't want your kind in it.

I invested my blood, sweat, tears, health and whole lot of heartache for that paltry sum I receive in compensation. So has every other veteran who has worn a uniform, and a lot of people who have not worn one. What have YOU invested into this Nation, Pete? Your wisdom on the internet?

Noted.

.

[pete311]

Horseshit. You are a warrior and defend.

Keep going! Idiots like @pete311 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1821) need to be left in the dust, bleeding,
wondering where their savior Obama has snuck off to.

Calling for violence again, nice. Didn't we just have a thread about this?

[pete311]

You need your commie ass kicked for saying that.

Every time I think you've finally bottomed out on being a fucking scumbag, you outdo yourself. You're a fucking disgrace to my country.

More calls for violence. Is this a military thing?

I'm taking a break for DP for a bit. Don't need these threats in my life. Enjoy your pete-free-vacation, I'll be back after midterms.

[FakeNewsSux]

More calls for violence. Is this a military thing?

I'm taking a break for DP for a bit. Don't need these threats in my life. Enjoy your pete-free-vacation, I'll be back after midterms.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUG9VzHoEoc

[Noir]

....


None of what you posted shows him to be a fascist i.e an authoritarian ultranationalist.

At most what you posted shows he doesn’t like trump, or putin, and thinks that sanders believes in what he says, even though what he says is flawed =/

[High_Plains_Drifter]

More calls for violence. Is this a military thing?

I'm taking a break for DP for a bit. Don't need these threats in my life. Enjoy your pete-free-vacation, I'll be back after midterms.
Don't come back. I don't think most of the people here could hate you much more than they already do, and you deserve every bit of it. Your comments have demonstrated in no uncertain terms just what kind of radical and anti American trash you are. When I use the hashtag #DemocratsAreThePartyofTrash on twitter, YOU are a prime example of that trash.

[NightTrain]

More calls for violence. Is this a military thing?


I'm not military or even ex-military, dipshit. You'd know that by looking at my avatar and notice it's lacking the Military tag.


I'm just a normal American, and if you insult & denigrate US military veterans again, I'll make it real easy to take a vacation from around here.

Try me.

[Elessar]

More calls for violence. Is this a military thing?

I'm taking a break for DP for a bit. Don't need these threats in my life. Enjoy your pete-free-vacation, I'll be back after midterms.

Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.

Not a military thing at all. Just people standing up to a spoiled brat that thinks
his shit does not stink. Tell you what, pilgrim...it does stink.
No threats on your life, douche. You get insulting and confrontational
and cannot handle it when someone stands up to your ANTIFA ramblings.

Take your vacation and grow up emotionally.

We will still be here.

[jimnyc]

More calls for violence. Is this a military thing?

I'm taking a break for DP for a bit. Don't need these threats in my life. Enjoy your pete-free-vacation, I'll be back after midterms.

Well, that blows, I just wasted my time on another post I guess. Well, adios liberal WEAK piece of shit!

As if anyone knows anyone here outside of a moniker. You troll troll troll troll and troll some more, and then act like a typical whining crying liberal weenie and wants to run home with his ball.

[jimnyc]

"Oh no, they're picking on me, so I'll exaggerate as if my life is on the line" :rolleyes:

And in the opposite direction, in our society today, ALL we see is violence from the left. The counter has it over 650 attacks on people, violence, since Trump went into office. Sick, deplorable fuckers.

[aboutime]

More calls for violence. Is this a military thing?

I'm taking a break for DP for a bit. Don't need these threats in my life. Enjoy your pete-free-vacation, I'll be back after midterms.

He's more of a threat to himself, merely by coming here to blame, or accuse, like all good Wussy Libs do.

While you are away...hopefully longer than after the mid-terms in two weeks. You should find a very SHORT pier, and take a very Long walk off of it. Test your failed ability to float, like the stuff that fills cesspools at the DNC home offices.

[Gunny]

More calls for violence. Is this a military thing?

I'm taking a break for DP for a bit. Don't need these threats in my life. Enjoy your pete-free-vacation, I'll be back after midterms.At least we know you haven't lied about being a lying leftwingnut. Currently on display; you can insult half the board personally then cry and run like a little bitch the second someone man's your ass up. Can't say I'm surprised.

You know all us vets you don't want to pay for? Speaking for me, I wouldn't want a cowardly-assed pussy like you in the Corps period, much less my unit. You'd be on mess duty so much your nick would be "Chef" and no one in the unit would even know who you are. Or you'd chickenshit out and get someone killed and never make it back to the boat.

Either way ...