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jimnyc
10-26-2018, 03:57 PM
Does this apply to all religions? Regardless, WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF?????
Thou shall not talk smack about Muhammed and his pedophilia ways with Aisha!
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Insulting Islam Now Illegal in Europe
On September 25, 2012, two weeks after the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya, President Barack Obama stood before the United Nations General Assembly and said the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPKf5IUGn_Y
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."
I didn't like this at the time, because I saw it as a capitulation to Islamic terrorists. Less than a month after his own ambassador was murdered, the president of the United States told the whole world: "Hey, free speech is great and everything, but if you hurt the feelings of these guys, you deserve whatever you get." He lied about the reasons for the Benghazi attack, blaming it on a stupid YouTube video that had nothing to do with it, and then he doubled down in the most shameless way imaginable. He betrayed American ideals because he couldn't or wouldn't admit he was wrong.
And it worked. A few weeks later Obama was reelected, which was the only thing he cared about.
But as it turned out, my concerns were unfounded. Obama didn't strike a blow against liberty that day. He didn't embolden tyrants and terrorists. Free speech is just fine, everybody!
Claire Corkery, The National (UAE): (https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/woman-who-insulted-the-prophet-mohammed-loses-free-speech-case-at-the-european-court-of-human-rights-1.784583)
An Austrian woman who was convicted for insulting the Prophet Mohammed did not have her right to freedom of speech violated, a European court has ruled.
The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ruled that courts in Austria, where the woman was found guilty, had balanced the "right to freedom of expression with the right of others to have their religious feelings protected, and served the legitimate aim of preserving religious peace in Austria".
The woman, who has been named only as ES, held seminars in 2009 for Austria’s far right Freedom Party in which she made defamatory remarks relating to the Prophet Mohammed’s marriage to Aisha, which is usually misrepresented as being to an underage girl.
In other words: In 2018 Europe, you can't say that Mohammed was a pedophile or the law will come after you. Punishing you for insulting a man who's been dead for 1,400 years isn't a violation of your human rights, because you've offended a protected class. You've pissed off the wrong people, and now you'll pay.
Think about this phrase: "The right of others to have their religious feelings protected." Isn't that wonderful? You'd better watch what you say, because other people have religious feelings and they have the right to be protected from your harmful words. They have the right to "religious peace," so you'd better not disturb it by saying something you shouldn't.
Who decides what's offensive? Who decides which opinions can't be expressed publicly? Not you. These matters will be decided for you, and you'd better comply or else.
Remember #JeSuisCharlie? Remember how people expected a stupid hashtag to do any good against monsters who were willing to commit a massacre against some cartoonists who pissed them off? Remember how they all patted themselves on the back? Remember how hollow and infantile it was?
Europe does not stand with Charlie Hebdo and never did. It was a pathetic lie and they all know it. #LEuropeNestPasCharlie.
Well, I have no plans to ever go to Europe again, so here goes:
I think the Prophet Mohammed is a silly goose, and I don't particularly care for him. He's a jerk. For all I care, he can go climb a tree.
There. I said it and I'm not sorry. Come and get me, coppers!
When it comes to this issue, I'd refer you to the words of noted constitutional scholar Tracy Lauren Marrow: "Freedom of speech... just watch what you say."
https://pjmedia.com/trending/insulting-islam-now-illegal-in-europe/
High_Plains_Drifter
10-26-2018, 04:05 PM
Now... remind me again WHO is pushing WHAT on people? Is this the work of CHRISTIANS? Is this the work of FREEDOM loving people?
NO... this is the work of the world's FASCIST LEFTISTS.
WWIII... be here sooner than ya think.
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I've never been one to go on about the return of Christ, but damn... I think it's about time.
Drummond
10-26-2018, 05:55 PM
In the UK, this all comes under 'hatespeech' legislation. Here, criticism of any religion (naturally including Islam) in any way seen to be prejudicial, or particularly 'inciteful', is actionable in law. This has been true for some time. What's been posted in this thread is no surprise to me at all.
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
10-26-2018, 09:25 PM
1.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?36912-I-take-my-stand-you
2.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37131-Most-recent-muslim-terrorist-attacks
Already in the works here in our country. Islam is a friend to and firmly embedded in with the Dem party.-Tyr
High_Plains_Drifter
10-27-2018, 12:25 AM
https://image.ibb.co/gLHtJn/fuck-islam.jpg
LongTermGuy
10-27-2018, 01:17 AM
http://islammonitor.org/uploads/pics/democracytohell.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZjrrYYuebok/TGv8lBvsLYI/AAAAAAAAAh0/a9_Ug9rTdKA/s1600/Brandishing+banners+saying+%27Sharia+is+the+true+s olution,+freedom+go+to+hell%27,+Muslim+protesters+ met+Mr+Wilders+outside+Houses+of+Parliament.jpg
https://portside.org/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/field/image/trump_ban_muslims.jpeg
:salute:
High_Plains_Drifter
10-27-2018, 06:24 AM
In the UK, this all comes under 'hatespeech' legislation. Here, criticism of any religion (naturally including Islam) in any way seen to be prejudicial, or particularly 'inciteful', is actionable in law. This has been true for some time. What's been posted in this thread is no surprise to me at all.
https://image.ibb.co/kw8bcS/muslim-bitch.jpg
jimnyc
10-27-2018, 10:35 AM
The truth, linked in their own Holy book, linked within the article... I will quote relevant areas below this article...
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In Europe, Free Speech Bows to Sharia
Europeans are free to say only what the courts let them.
When he was 50, the prophet of Islam took as his wife Aisha, who was then six or seven. The marriage was consummated when Aisha was nine.
This is not a smear. It is an accurate account of authoritative Islamic scripture. (See, e.g., Sahih-Bukhari, Vol. 5, Book 58, Nos. 234–236.) Yet it can no longer safely be discussed in Europe, thanks to the extortionate threat of violence and intimidation — specifically, of jihadist terrorism and the Islamist grievance industry that slipstreams behind it. Under a ruling by the so-called European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), free speech has been supplanted by sharia blasphemy standards.
The case involves an Austrian woman (identified as “Mrs. S.” in court filings and believed to be Elisabeth Sabaditsch Wolff) who, in 2009, conducted two seminars entitled “Basic Information on Islam.” She included the account of Mohammed’s marriage to Aisha. Though this account is scripturally accurate, Mrs. S. was prosecuted on the rationale that her statements implied pedophilic tendencies on the part of the prophet. A fine (about $547) was imposed for disparaging religion.
Mrs. S. appealed, relying on Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights. That provision purports to safeguard “freedom of expression,” though it works about the same way the warranty on your used car does — it sounds like you’re covered, but the fine print eviscerates your protection.
Article 10 starts out benignly enough: Europeans are free “to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.” But then comes the legalese: One’s exercise of the right to impart information, you see, “carries with it duties and responsibilities.” Consequently, what is called “freedom” is actually “subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties” that the authorities decide “are necessary in a democratic society,” including for “public safety” and for “the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others.”
Translation: Europeans are free to say only what they are permitted to say by the unelected judges of the European courts. Truth is irrelevant. As the jurists reasoned in the case of Mrs. S., a person’s freedom to assert facts must be assessed in “the wider context” that balances “free” expression against — I kid you not — “the right of others to have their religious feelings protected,” as well as “the legitimate aim of preserving religious peace.”
It is thus verboten to say things that might upset Muslims. Particularly offensive is mention of Islam’s many doctrinal tenets that make us cringe in the 21st century — approbation of child marriage, violent jihad, the treatment of women as chattel, the duty to kill apostates, and so on. That these tenets are accurately stated, supported by undeniable scriptural grounding, is beside the point. Or as the ECHR put it, reliance on scripture could be classified as “an abusive attack on the Prophet of Islam, which could stir up prejudice and put at risk religious peace.”
Rest - https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/free-speech-sharia-european-court-of-human-rights-ruling/
When he was 50, the prophet of Islam took as his wife Aisha, who was then six or seven. The marriage was consummated when Aisha was nine.
Sahih-Bukhari, Vol. 5, Book 58, Nos. 234–236
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 :
Narrated by Aisha
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235 :
Narrated by 'Aisha
That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done."
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236 :
Narrated by Hisham's father
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
High_Plains_Drifter
10-27-2018, 11:40 AM
The moslems TOLD Europeans that they were going to TAKE THEM OVER, and now they're DOING IT.
I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for all of that continent. They've been brain washed. Sheep marching off to the slaughter, figuratively, and being fully aware of it. Go ahead, take control of our nations, tell us what we can and can't say, and we'll help you do it.
I'm incapable of understanding the rational.
Abbey Marie
10-27-2018, 01:27 PM
I’m curious, are Europeans allowed to call Catholic priests pedophiles?
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
10-27-2018, 01:40 PM
I’m curious, are Europeans allowed to call Catholic priests pedophiles?
Of course they are!
This new mandate/law is to protect and promote --only-- the rape/murder/enslaving cult called Islam!
No other need apply, this is how they do it, when not opening murdering millions by invasion and putting them to the sword.
And they are doing it with faithful turncoats, disloyal, blinded arrogant assholes that are liberals/socialists/ leftists and in our nation democrat scum..
Ten bucks says if Trump loses next term and a democrat gets 8 years as Prez, they start trying to get that law adopted here.
These filthy muslims are the total slaves of Allah, as their "Allah" is the biblical "Satan" using another guise and leading his flock of murderers/jackals/cutthroats,rapists, child molesters, female enslaving/abusing , gay hating , ffing scum.. IMHO.
Please let me know if my description was lacking in details..--Tyr
LongTermGuy
10-27-2018, 09:21 PM
I’m curious, are Europeans allowed to call Catholic priests pedophiles?
Yep.. socialist Liberals dont mind....
I would be interested in finding the source material for the story - as the article in the OP carries the sentence “ES had claimed that the comments were not designed to defame the Prophet Mohammed”
If her principal point of defence was that calling someone a pedophile is not intended to defame, and therefore free speech, then that looks like a real wonky base to build from.
I would be interested in finding the source material for the story - as the article in the OP carries the sentence “ES had claimed that the comments were not designed to defame the Prophet Mohammed”
If her principal point of defence was that calling someone a pedophile is not intended to defame, and therefore free speech, then that looks like a real wonky base to build from.
Really??? That is your point? It doesn't bother you that the law now "protects" a specific deity from denigrating words? That free speech is now restricted to satisfy a specific religion but not "protect" other religions?? All I can say is ....WOW
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
10-28-2018, 09:37 AM
Really??? That is your point? It doesn't bother you that the law now "protects" a specific deity from denigrating words? That free speech is now restricted to satisfy a specific religion but not "protect" other religions?? All I can say is ....WOW
Socialists/liberals insanely embrace. promote and protect Islam in high hopes that it will destroy those they perceive to be their enemies.
You know, people that have those hateful Christian values and are decent with strong belief in freedoms of choice, of speech, of religion
and have true knowledge of what the cult Islam is..
If they ever gain control here, my name will be high on their list, as one to find and behead. FKK THEM!! -Tyr
jimnyc
10-28-2018, 09:56 AM
Fuck Islam and Fuck Muslims.
I just hope that they protect Christians and others from "equal" wording and such, and this isn't just to protect the muslim bastards.
Trying to control society and their discussions are ridiculous. WHO determines what is an insult for sure? I mean, calling muhammed a pedo for being with such a young girl is FACT but those who bow to him and see him as a prophet find that insulting.
High_Plains_Drifter
10-28-2018, 10:18 AM
Socialists/liberals insanely embrace. promote and protect Islam in high hopes that it will destroy those they perceive to be their enemies.
You know, people that have those hateful Christian values and are decent with strong belief in freedoms of choice, of speech, of religion
and have true knowledge of what the cult Islam is..
If they ever gain control here, my name will be high on their list, as one to find and behead. FKK THEM!! -Tyr
Just like Hitler.
High_Plains_Drifter
10-28-2018, 10:24 AM
This is a cut and dried clear case of a nation suppressing free speech simply out of FEAR, and that's exactly what it is. They're afraid that if you say this or that, even if it's the TRUTH, about islam, the muslims will go on another shooting rampage or mow down another bunch of people with a truck. It's as simple as that. There is no more analysis needed... that's it. Europe has so many muslims now that they have decided their only recourse to attempt to stop the muslims from killing is to APPEASE them. Europe has lost ALL it's FIGHT. The writing is on the wall at this point. This appeasing will do nothing more than embolden the muslims. They know they have them SCARED now, and with a muslim mayor in London, they're even infiltrating their government. Europe is lost. Conquered from the inside. Give it another 30 years, or less, and it'll all be under sharia law.
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
10-28-2018, 10:36 AM
This is a cut and dried clear case of a nation suppressing free speech simply out of FEAR, and that's exactly what it is. They're afraid that if you say this or that, even if it's the TRUTH, about islam, the muslims will go on another shooting rampage or mow down another bunch of people with a truck. It's as simple as that. There is no more analysis needed... that's it. Europe has so many muslims now that they have decided their only recourse to attempt to stop the muslims from killing is to APPEASE them. Europe has lost ALL it's FIGHT. The writing is on the wall at this point. This appeasing will do nothing more than embolden the muslims. They know they have them SCARED now, and with a muslim mayor in London, they're even infiltrating their government. Europe is lost. Conquered from the inside. Give it another 30 years, or less, and it'll all be under sharia law.
When the majority of European nations have muslim governments, the muzzies will start WW3, and do so by nuking us-- that is the most likely start of WW3.
Europeans have invited in snakes, invited in those that hate them and want to destroy them.
They did so because libs/socialists are cowards that have no true values, integrity or courage.
I truly expect WW3 will come in less than 30 years. And it will be started by this ffing murdering cult, Satan's handmaidens, the cowardly , filthy muzzies.
We had best hope that both China and Russia join to fight them(as they should be fought) and limit their scope.
For that is the only thing that ma slow them down, IMHO.
As the traitor filled dem party will capitulate and actually help them takeover here- in much the same way as the European leaders have done!-Tyr
Really??? That is your point? It doesn't bother you that the law now "protects" a specific deity from denigrating words? That free speech is now restricted to satisfy a specific religion but not "protect" other religions?? All I can say is ....WOW
If you’re under the impression that I am in anyway in favour of blasphemy laws, relating to any religion, I’d be more than happy to disavow you of that, and took that as read.
As for my post - do you not find it interesting that the only position mentioned for the defence in the OP is remarkably weak? Either the position has been misreported or other aspects of the defence are missing, which I think is worth knowing.
jimnyc
10-28-2018, 11:00 AM
If you’re under the impression that I am in anyway in favour of blasphemy laws, relating to any religion, I’d be more than happy to disavow you of that, and took that as read.
As for my post - do you not find it interesting that the only position mentioned for the defence in the OP is remarkably weak? Either the position has been misreported or other aspects of the defence are missing, which I think is worth knowing.
IMO, stating facts about muhammed and his pedophile ways, isn't weak, it's just the factual truth. Perhaps speaking the facts isn't meant to defame.
High_Plains_Drifter
10-28-2018, 11:18 AM
IMO, stating facts about muhammed and his pedophile ways, isn't weak, it's just the factual truth. Perhaps speaking the facts isn't meant to defame.
Was just going to say the same exact thing... "since when is the TRUTH weak?"
And the large issue here isn't about muhammad being a pedophile, it's about being able to FREELY STATE THAT HE IS without reprisal. When a society decides that it's time to STOP people from SPEAKING THE TRUTH, then there's huge trouble afoot.
Abbey Marie
10-28-2018, 02:22 PM
I would be interested in finding the source material for the story - as the article in the OP carries the sentence “ES had claimed that the comments were not designed to defame the Prophet Mohammed”
If her principal point of defence was that calling someone a pedophile is not intended to defame, and therefore free speech, then that looks like a real wonky base to build from.
FWIW, truth is generally a defense to slander. At least here in the USA.
Socialists/liberals insanely embrace. promote and protect Islam in high hopes that it will destroy those they perceive to be their enemies.
You know, people that have those hateful Christian values and are decent with strong belief in freedoms of choice, of speech, of religion
and have true knowledge of what the cult Islam is..
If they ever gain control here, my name will be high on their list, as one to find and behead. FKK THEM!! -Tyr
Dear Robert,
The whole day yesterday I thought either to say or not on the subject. And finally I decided to say a couple of words...
First, I would like to address you to one British article:
Nearly 75 per cent of the world's population practices one of the five most influential religions of the world: Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism.
Christianity and Islam are the two religions most widely spread across the world. These two religions together cover the religious affiliation of more than half of the world's population. If all non-religious people formed a single religion, it would be the world's third largest.
One of the most widely-held myths among those in English-speaking countries is that Islamic believers are Arabs. In fact, most Islamic people do not live in the Arabic nations of the Middle East.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/06/the_odd_body_religion
So, equalizing Arabic terrorism with Islam we have an elementary substitution of concepts. I bet, that the most ardent and active critics of Islam have no clue of Islam as Religion.
Why I dare to tell so? Here, in Russia, we keep on living in Peace with Muslims for CENTURIES and we can tell the difference between terrorists hiding behind Islam and Islam itself.
Sure, this subject is very complicated and sensitive for very many people if you follow the table below.
http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/03/PF_17.04.05_projectionsUpdate_GRL310px.png
darin
10-29-2018, 07:00 AM
This is where Good people will end up if we continue to stop disciplining our kids to grow into the kind of ninnies who create rulings like this.
https://wp.zillowstatic.com/1/Refuge-Cove-Island-Retreat-Ketchikan-ae806a-e1402530701419.jpg
Seriously starts at home. European society is fucked because, in part, they moved away from teaching wisdom to their kids. Europe stopped requiring truth in their teaching of the masses. It's just awful.
Drummond
10-29-2018, 11:25 AM
I’m curious, are Europeans allowed to call Catholic priests pedophiles?
In the UK, this would come under libel (or slander) laws.
As I discovered quite some time ago, we in the UK take libel far more seriously than it appears you do in the US.
As a general description ... it's already been proven that a proportion of them ARE. If accused in a purely general way .. to incite .. perhaps it'd be legally actionable. However, since case histories have set a perceptual precedent, I'm not sure that'd fly.
If an individual was accused, and wrongly, the priest in question would no doubt take immediate action, making sure the perpetrator answered for it in court.
Drummond
10-29-2018, 11:32 AM
Dear Robert,
The whole day yesterday I thought either to say or not on the subject. And finally I decided to say a couple of words...
First, I would like to address you to one British article:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/06/the_odd_body_religion
So, equalizing Arabic terrorism with Islam we have an elementary substitution of concepts. I bet, that the most ardent and active critics of Islam have no clue of Islam as Religion.
Why I dare to tell so? Here, in Russia, we keep on living in Peace with Muslims for CENTURIES and we can tell the difference between terrorists hiding behind Islam and Islam itself.
Sure, this subject is very complicated and sensitive for very many people if you follow the table below.
http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/03/PF_17.04.05_projectionsUpdate_GRL310px.png
You operate a police State.
Therein lies your situation today. An authoritarian State where freedom of speech is a matter of 'conferred privilege', would be one where Islamic machinations would struggle to gain traction.
I'm not totally sure what's worse. Unbridled Islamic influence and diktat, or the freedom-crushing Russian State, where you can disappear (... or even be poisoned, yes ??) if you rail against the Almighty State. Both are an affront to decent human rights.
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