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Gaffer
08-27-2007, 06:58 PM
Here's the latest from Micheal Yon's blog.

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/the-ghosts-of-anbar-part-ii-of-iv.htm

I like his writing.

truthmatters
08-27-2007, 07:11 PM
http://tinyurl.com/34tjwv

Middle East turmoil could cause world war: U.S. envoy Mon Aug 27, 6:57 AM ET



VIENNA (Reuters) - Upheaval in the Middle East and Islamic civilization could cause another world war, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was quoted as saying in an Austrian newspaper interview published on Monday.

Zalmay Khalilzad told the daily Die Presse the Middle East was now so disordered that it had the potential to inflame the world as Europe did during the first half of the 20th century.

"The (Middle East) is going through a very difficult transformation phase. That has strengthened extremism and creates a breeding ground for terrorism," he said in remarks translated by Reuters into English from the published German.

"Europe was just as dysfunctional for a while. And some of its wars became world wars. Now the problems of the Middle East and Islamic civilization have the same potential to engulf the world," he was quoted as saying.

This guy seems to have some opinions about the war also.

darin
08-27-2007, 07:14 PM
Do you realize there are few more-biased-ANTI USA sites than Reuters?

truthmatters
08-27-2007, 07:18 PM
Only in your mind

darin
08-27-2007, 07:25 PM
Not just in MY mind...in the minds of Free-thinkers EVERYWHERE:


IGNOBLE AWARD WINNER: REUTERS

With over 200 news bureaus worldwide, Reuters stakes its claim as "the largest international multi-media news agency." Though Reuters' own editorial policy claims the agency's reporters "do not offer subjective opinion," and intend merely "to enable readers and viewers to form their own judgement," in fact Reuters' coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is flagrantly biased against Israel. Some examples from 2003:

* In January, Reuters blamed Israel for "killing" Palestinian suicide bombers:

Iraq has paid millions of dollars to families of Palestinians, including those of suicide bombers, killed by Israeli forces since the start of the uprising in September 2000.

* As Israel prepared to build a wall to protect worshippers at Rachel's Tomb in Bethlehem, Reuters published this headline:

"Israel to Split Christ's Birthplace with Barrier"

To emphasize its (completely external) point, Reuters repeated the word "Christ" or "Christian" in each of the article's first four sentences.

* On Nov. 18, two Israeli soldiers were killed outside Bethlehem and a number of Palestinians were wounded in Gaza. Reuters had pictures of both events, but journalists who subscribe to Reuters' photo service were encouraged to publish the Palestinian victims in this email (emphasis added):
http://www.honestreporting.com/images/gazavictim.jpg (http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/critiques/2003_Dishonest_Reporting_-Award-.asp)
Dear User of the Reuters Pictures Archive,

Please find below a single picture presentation showing two Palestinians rushing a wounded Palestinian to hospital in the Rafah refugee camp in the southern part of the Gaza strip, November 18, 2003 :

* When Palestinian terrorist groups announced a hudna with the PA, Israel was not a party in the agreement, and the official road map demanded a full disarming of terror groups ― not a temporary hudna cease-fire. Yet Reuters took the opportunity to vilify Israel with the headline:

"Israel Pours Scorn on Truce With Militants"

And when Israel did show flexibility for Palestinian demands, above and beyond the roadmap's requirements? On Nov. 3, Reuters reported that Israel reinstated 15,000 Palestinian work permits, and included this comment in a news report:

150,000 Palestinians [previously] made a living in Israel, so Sunday's restoration of 15,000 Israeli work permits is still only a drop in the ocean.

Actually, 15,000 was fully 10%, and a risky loosening of anti-terror policy. Even the Palestinian official quoted by Reuters called it "an important step."

truthmatters
08-27-2007, 07:32 PM
I thought links were required when you post things or are the rules only for people you dont like?

Gaffer
08-27-2007, 07:59 PM
I thought links were required when you post things or are the rules only for people you dont like?

You don't read the links any way so what difference does it make.

darin
08-27-2007, 08:18 PM
I thought links were required when you post things or are the rules only for people you dont like?

The link is posted.

Now - care to discuss Reuters - which has been known for YEARS to be blatantly biased against the US?

gabosaurus
08-27-2007, 11:19 PM
EVERY site that dares to question the Bushies is "dangerous" and "liberal minded." Only Fox and the NY Post are not members of the "mainstream media."
Such bullshit. Wake up and realize the truth.

darin
08-28-2007, 12:34 AM
Its not their 'questioning' the President - it's their calculated Malicious biased SLANDER and LIBEL they present as 'objective'. FOX at least is more centrist in whatever bias the reporters and commentators (who are PAID for their personal opinion) have.

truthmatters
08-28-2007, 09:31 AM
http://www.honestreporting.com/a/history.asp

It seems to be funded by some sort of isreali group concerned with portraying Isreal as the good guy?

I dont think this site can be concidered unbiased.

So unless you a find something a little more reliable other than a site supported by one specific source then I dont think this means mush?

darin
08-28-2007, 10:59 AM
You don't think - that's exactly the problem. Instead of disputing the evidence I have for Reuters bias, you attack 'your view' of the source.

truthmatters
08-28-2007, 11:17 AM
DMP you are attacking a source as biased with a biased source.

Dude dont you get the twilight zone like air in that ?

gabosaurus
08-28-2007, 12:02 PM
Fox is NOT centrist. It is far right. Bush apologists consider all attacks on and questioning of White House policy to be "malicious slander."

truthmatters
08-28-2007, 12:04 PM
I just cant see calling rueters biased?

Its pretty much a very expansive news service from what I see.

darin
08-28-2007, 12:11 PM
DMP you are attacking a source as biased with a biased source.

Dude dont you get the twilight zone like air in that ?

YOU are calling the 'example of Reuters Bias' I posted "biased". They are BIASED to you because they show your precious left-wing-propaganda-machine as being what they are - Hacks.

If being slanted towards 'truth' ruins their credibility in your eyes...fine. They are Biased. But they are biased AGAINST the lies from Reuters and such.


I just cant see calling rueters biased?

Its pretty much a very expansive news service from what I see.



Shows you have put forth NO effort into countering the bullshit and lies from that 'news service'.

truthmatters
08-28-2007, 12:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aish_Hatorah

Aish HaTorah ("Fire of the Torah") is an Orthodox Jewish outreach organization and yeshiva. The organization's stated mission is "providing opportunities for Jews of all backgrounds to discover their heritage." Its headquarters are in the Old City of Jerusalem. The government of Israel awarded it a piece of land facing the Western Wall.

The organization has "branches" or franchises in many cities around the world which contain large populations of Jews. Each branch has independent governance and funding.

In Jerusalem, the Aish HaTorah yeshiva offers both beginners' drop-in classes and full-time, intensive study programs for Jewish men and women of all backgrounds and levels of knowledge. Areas of study include Hebrew Bible, Talmud, Jewish history, Jewish philosophy and Hebrew language ulpan. A US-accredited college, the yeshiva offers degrees to college and university age students.

The rabbinic ordination program combines classical Talmudic training with intensive instruction in outreach and leadership skills. Over 200 men have graduated from its rabbinic program, assuming leadership and religious roles in many Jewish communities around the world.

This group is an orthodox Jewish group which does not want anything negative said about jews.

The news is NOT all pro Isreal for very good reasons those reasons being is that Isreal is not perfect.

http://tinyurl.com/yp28fr

Our company
Key facts
Below is a list of key facts about Reuters.
Founded in London in 1851
Around 370,000 professional users
Approximately 16,900 staff in 94 countries
World's largest international multimedia news agency - 2,400 editorial staff, journalists, photographers and camera operators in 196 bureaux serving approximately 131 countries
In 2006 Reuters filed over two and a half million news items, including 656,500 alerts, from 209 countries around the world, published in 18 languages.
Real-time data provided on 5.5 million financial records
More than 200 million data records maintained and updated, containing over 3,000 billion discrete data points (or record fields)
Information on 38,000 companies worldwide
Financial information from over 160 exchanges and OTC markets
Financial data updated over 8,000 times per second, and at peak time more than 23,000 times per second
More than 4,000 clients contribute prices, opinions and analysis
Reuters Group 2006 revenue 2.6 billion
Constituent of FTSE100 index
Listed on the London Stock Exchange and NASDAQ exchanges: RTR and RTRSY (respectively)
Reuters is among the most read news sources on the Internet reaching millions in their offices, homes or on their PDAs


Reuters is highly respoected by almost everyone in the world and is not concidered a biased source by any unbiased measure.

Are you saying only biased sources exsist in the world?

truthmatters
08-28-2007, 12:27 PM
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darin
08-28-2007, 12:36 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aish_Hatorah

Aish HaTorah ("Fire of the Torah") is an Orthodox Jewish outreach organization and yeshiva. The organization's stated mission is "providing opportunities for Jews of all backgrounds to discover their heritage." Its headquarters are in the Old City of Jerusalem. The government of Israel awarded it a piece of land facing the Western Wall.

The organization has "branches" or franchises in many cities around the world which contain large populations of Jews. Each branch has independent governance and funding.

In Jerusalem, the Aish HaTorah yeshiva offers both beginners' drop-in classes and full-time, intensive study programs for Jewish men and women of all backgrounds and levels of knowledge. Areas of study include Hebrew Bible, Talmud, Jewish history, Jewish philosophy and Hebrew language ulpan. A US-accredited college, the yeshiva offers degrees to college and university age students.

The rabbinic ordination program combines classical Talmudic training with intensive instruction in outreach and leadership skills. Over 200 men have graduated from its rabbinic program, assuming leadership and religious roles in many Jewish communities around the world.

This group is an orthodox Jewish group which does not want anything negative said about jews.

The news is NOT all pro Isreal for very good reasons those reasons being is that Isreal is not perfect.


I'm lost here - why are you talking about that group?

And did you REALLY choose to defend Reuters from a statement off their website??

http://www.mathies.com/blog/reuterscartoon.jpg

Gaffer
08-28-2007, 12:48 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aish_Hatorah

Aish HaTorah ("Fire of the Torah") is an Orthodox Jewish outreach organization and yeshiva. The organization's stated mission is "providing opportunities for Jews of all backgrounds to discover their heritage." Its headquarters are in the Old City of Jerusalem. The government of Israel awarded it a piece of land facing the Western Wall.

The organization has "branches" or franchises in many cities around the world which contain large populations of Jews. Each branch has independent governance and funding.

In Jerusalem, the Aish HaTorah yeshiva offers both beginners' drop-in classes and full-time, intensive study programs for Jewish men and women of all backgrounds and levels of knowledge. Areas of study include Hebrew Bible, Talmud, Jewish history, Jewish philosophy and Hebrew language ulpan. A US-accredited college, the yeshiva offers degrees to college and university age students.

The rabbinic ordination program combines classical Talmudic training with intensive instruction in outreach and leadership skills. Over 200 men have graduated from its rabbinic program, assuming leadership and religious roles in many Jewish communities around the world.

This group is an orthodox Jewish group which does not want anything negative said about jews.

The news is NOT all pro Isreal for very good reasons those reasons being is that Isreal is not perfect.

http://tinyurl.com/yp28fr

Our company
Key facts
Below is a list of key facts about Reuters.
Founded in London in 1851
Around 370,000 professional users
Approximately 16,900 staff in 94 countries
World's largest international multimedia news agency - 2,400 editorial staff, journalists, photographers and camera operators in 196 bureaux serving approximately 131 countries
In 2006 Reuters filed over two and a half million news items, including 656,500 alerts, from 209 countries around the world, published in 18 languages.
Real-time data provided on 5.5 million financial records
More than 200 million data records maintained and updated, containing over 3,000 billion discrete data points (or record fields)
Information on 38,000 companies worldwide
Financial information from over 160 exchanges and OTC markets
Financial data updated over 8,000 times per second, and at peak time more than 23,000 times per second
More than 4,000 clients contribute prices, opinions and analysis
Reuters Group 2006 revenue 2.6 billion
Constituent of FTSE100 index
Listed on the London Stock Exchange and NASDAQ exchanges: RTR and RTRSY (respectively)
Reuters is among the most read news sources on the Internet reaching millions in their offices, homes or on their PDAs


Reuters is highly respoected by almost everyone in the world and is not concidered a biased source by any unbiased measure.

Are you saying only biased sources exsist in the world?

rueters is a Israel hating America hating news organization that happens to be world wide in scope. They will only report news that is anti-American or anti-Israel. They will always spin the news to make both countries look bad. Including cropping and photoshopping pictures. Neither rueters or ap can be trusted to give accurate reporting. Just because they are a big corporation doesn't mean they are not bias.

darin
08-28-2007, 12:51 PM
rueters is a Israel hating America hating news organization that happens to be world wide in scope. They will only report news that is anti-American or anti-Israel. They will always spin the news to make both countries look bad. Including cropping and photoshopping pictures. Neither rueters or ap can be trusted to give accurate reporting. Just because they are a big corporation doesn't mean they are not bias.

Irony that Reuters was founded by a German Jew?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Julius_Reuter

truthmatters
08-28-2007, 12:56 PM
rueters is a Israel hating America hating news organization that happens to be world wide in scope. They will only report news that is anti-American or anti-Israel. They will always spin the news to make both countries look bad. Including cropping and photoshopping pictures. Neither rueters or ap can be trusted to give accurate reporting. Just because they are a big corporation doesn't mean they are not bias.


Why would you say an organization started by a jewish man is jew hating because they wont censor their news to make Isreal look better?

Is it rueters responsibility to censor anything that is not possitive about any country?

You see you people dont want the whole truth and nothing but the truth you want censored news.
just go to Fox and watch it and you will get what you want.
Done expect the rest of the world to join you in your censorship.

You see if you refuse to read bad news you end up uniformed and end up making very bad decisions like invading a country thinking they have WMDS when they dont.

darin
08-28-2007, 01:05 PM
Why would you say an organization started by a jewish man is jew hating because they wont censor their news to make Isreal look better?

That is a dishonest question. They DO CENSOR their news - to make Israel (and the US) look WORSE. PLEASE ...TRY to ask honest questions.

truthmatters
08-28-2007, 02:01 PM
Where is your proof they censor news?

darin
08-28-2007, 02:15 PM
Where is your proof they censor news?


I'm lost here - why are you talking about that group?

And did you REALLY choose to defend Reuters from a statement off their website??


You First.

truthmatters
08-28-2007, 03:09 PM
That group is who opperates the link you gave

darin
08-28-2007, 03:14 PM
That group is who opperates the link you gave

Operates? It's run by 4 or 5 British University Students. Aish HaTorah helped them develop


It was Yom Kippur, 2000. The Intifada had just broken out and a huge wave of terror had suddenly descended upon Israel. The media in Europe was twisting the story to brand Israel as a bad guy! Jews in the UK were in shock and felt under attack. A few idealists decided enough was enough.

"So there were 4 or 5 of us British university students, kicking ideas around, frustrated and wondering what we could do to help Israel. We came up with the idea of encouraging thousands of e-mails to some of the publications in order to make our complaints heard. But in order to create an email protest, we had to have a website. Otherwise people couldn't respond, and we couldn't communicate with a base of supporters. So we just decided to go ahead and do it: design a simple, basic website. The whole project took only a couple of weeks you know, when you have 4 or 5 people working together, all of whom are really committed, you can get almost anything done."

"Choosing a name took a lot of discussion. At the time, really short, snappy names were in. So for a time, some of us thought that 'HonestReporting' was too long. We wanted something shorter, punchier. We talked and talked, but eventually 'HonestReporting', long as it was, seemed the best. It was both descriptive and accurate. So we went with it. Later, we all agreed it was a good choice."

"We only ran the project for three or four months, just got it off the ground. Then we turned it over to the people running it now. It had to go professional to reach its full potential."

In early 2001, those first volunteers turned to the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah to help build a website, develop materials and grow the subscriber base even further. Later that year, the project, having grown to become a major organization in its own right, was established as a US non-profit organization (501c3) with an Independent Board of Directors.

Two years later, HonestReporting Canada (HRC) was founded as an independent, non-profit organization headquartered in Toronto, Canada. In February of 2006, under a fresh management team, HonestReporting was granted independent Charitable Organization status in Israel to complement its US and Canadian status.

In March 2006, HonestReporting UK was launched under the guidance of the team's two ex-pat Britons; Joe Hyams, Managing Director, and Simon Plosker, Senior Editor. HonestReporting UK expects to achieve UK Registered Charity Status with an Independent Board in due course.

darin
08-29-2007, 03:30 PM
...bump... I'd like to see truthmatters explain how a group used to build another group's website is 'funding the group.'

gabosaurus
08-29-2007, 05:32 PM
That is a dishonest question. They DO CENSOR their news - to make Israel (and the US) look WORSE.

This statement is SO ridiculous, it is hardly worth commenting about.
Israel and the U.S. don't need censored news to make themselves look worse. They do so by their actions.
Your bias shows through in every post.

Nukeman
08-29-2007, 05:53 PM
Just my 2 cents worth, but rueters has been caught with their hand the proverbial cookie jar of doctored photo's more than once and it always seems to be in the interest of making the western countries look bad..

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3287774,00.html



Reuters admits to more image manipulation


News organization withdraws photograph of Israeli fighter jet, admits image was doctored, fires photographer. Reuters pledges 'tighter editing procedure for images of the Middle East conflict'

These are only a couple of photo's that have been identified I am sure that if you find a couple there are bond to be many more. :poke:

darin
08-29-2007, 06:04 PM
This statement is SO ridiculous, it is hardly worth commenting about.
Israel and the U.S. don't need censored news to make themselves look worse. They do so by their actions.
Your bias shows through in every post.



Couple of things -

Firstly, ridicule of the facts doesn't make the facts less-true.

Secondly, of COURSE I am biased. I'm not a journalist. I'm biased to believe my point of view is correct, until I get evidence to the contrary.

truthmatters
08-29-2007, 06:57 PM
a photo dr by some photo journalist to show more smoke and then corrected is not a major infraction.

Take a look at this court case in which Fox News argued that News did not have to tell the truth to defend themselves against a couple of employees who were fired because they refused to falsify a news story at the insistance of Fox news.

Get it FOX NEWS said in court that they did not have to reort the Truth!

http://www.purefood.org/rbgh/akre022603.cfm

Gaffer
08-29-2007, 08:04 PM
reuters has been found to have more than 40 doctored photos. Not just one. It was done by multiple people. Their stories are always about civilians being killed. But never Israeli citizens. And those civilians are always killed around a rocket site, though that is left out of the story as well.

A prime example is the woman holding to rounds in her hand saying they hit her house. When the rounds had obviously not been fired. It was a photoshop job along with lying journalism.

truthmatters
08-29-2007, 09:49 PM
Just my 2 cents worth, but rueters has been caught with their hand the proverbial cookie jar of doctored photo's more than once and it always seems to be in the interest of making the western countries look bad..

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3287774,00.html




These are only a couple of photo's that have been identified I am sure that if you find a couple there are bond to be many more. :poke:

Again this "news" source is a Isreali news source and I am seeig only one example here where a photo or two was altered by a single individual.

This is a drop in the to a news source which provides a massive world wide service.

Could you pleas comment on the Fox News case where they proffered in front of a judge that News does not have to tell the truth to pretect them from being sued by two employees who were fired for refusing to lie in a Fox story?