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gabosaurus
08-28-2007, 03:41 PM
This isn't the only instance, either. It's merely one of the few times the military has been held responsible.
Obviously, military training is not what it once was. Or else the recruits are are of the same caliber.
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FORT HOOD (AP) Army Sgt. Lawrence Sprader set out under the searing Texas sun on a map-reading exercise, carrying a cell phone in case he got hopelessly lost or fell ill in the hills and ravines of Fort Hood. And still he didn't make it out alive.

For more than an hour, a disoriented and dehydrated Sprader used his phone to repeatedly call superiors and tell them of his plight before the 24-year-old Iraq war veteran finally collapsed in the thick underbrush, where his decomposing body was discovered four days later.

How could that have happened?

A 1,700-page Army investigative report, obtained by The Associated Press through the Freedom of Information Act, details a multitude of procedural violations, judgment errors and alleged acts of misconduct by Army trainers that not only contributed to Sprader's death but put some 300 other soldiers in danger that day, including about two dozen who required medical attention.

Among other things:

The exercise was poorly planned and supervised, with trainers failing to patrol the countryside as required for soldiers in distress.

Participants were not given enough time to fill their canteens.

Trainers did not keep a close enough watch on the mid-90s heat and humidity.

And the Army made little effort to find Sprader until the training exercise was over.

"It's just something that shouldn't have happened, but it did," said his father Larry Sprader of Prince George, Va. "They should have been out there checking on the soldiers, but they weren't."

Gaffer
08-28-2007, 06:17 PM
Let's find something to blame the military on. This is old news as well. :lame2:

gabosaurus
08-28-2007, 11:40 PM
Let's find something to blame the military on. This is old news as well.

Let's see, who can we blame for more criminal acts, the military or illegal aliens?
You find one isolated incident in the news, I will find another.

nevadamedic
08-28-2007, 11:57 PM
Let's find something to blame the military on. This is old news as well. :lame2:

As long as she can take a cheapshot against the Bush Administration or republicans she will, even if it is untrue, innacurate and or exadurated.

nevadamedic
08-28-2007, 11:59 PM
Let's see, who can we blame for more criminal acts, the military or illegal aliens?
You find one isolated incident in the news, I will find another.

You left out the Clintons as they are linked to more murders then John Gotti.

In all honesty it would be the Illegals as they are all committing a crome by being here and there are over twelve million of them.

stephanie
08-29-2007, 02:11 AM
The way that San Fransicko feels and talks down our military...

Just maybe they will revolt, and not come to your alls aid, when it's needed....

just a weird thought...

manu1959
08-29-2007, 02:29 AM
This isn't the only instance, either. It's merely one of the few times the military has been held responsible.
Obviously, military training is not what it once was. Or else the recruits are are of the same caliber.
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FORT HOOD (AP) Army Sgt. Lawrence Sprader set out under the searing Texas sun on a map-reading exercise, carrying a cell phone in case he got hopelessly lost or fell ill in the hills and ravines of Fort Hood. And still he didn't make it out alive.

For more than an hour, a disoriented and dehydrated Sprader used his phone to repeatedly call superiors and tell them of his plight before the 24-year-old Iraq war veteran finally collapsed in the thick underbrush, where his decomposing body was discovered four days later.

How could that have happened?

A 1,700-page Army investigative report, obtained by The Associated Press through the Freedom of Information Act, details a multitude of procedural violations, judgment errors and alleged acts of misconduct by Army trainers that not only contributed to Sprader's death but put some 300 other soldiers in danger that day, including about two dozen who required medical attention.

Among other things:

The exercise was poorly planned and supervised, with trainers failing to patrol the countryside as required for soldiers in distress.

Participants were not given enough time to fill their canteens.

Trainers did not keep a close enough watch on the mid-90s heat and humidity.

And the Army made little effort to find Sprader until the training exercise was over.

"It's just something that shouldn't have happened, but it did," said his father Larry Sprader of Prince George, Va. "They should have been out there checking on the soldiers, but they weren't."

you should be happy the military is killing its own.....one less solider to murder innocent freedom fighters in iraq.....

SassyLady
08-29-2007, 02:58 AM
Gabby - there are work related deaths every day in America. Believe it or not, being in the military is a job. Accidents happen on the job frequently. May I ask why you pointed out this one particular on-the-job accident.


Work-related deaths down in Texas, data shows
San Antonio Business Journal - August 14, 2007

Texas employers were able to reduce the number of workplace deaths in 2006, compared to the previous year, according to newly released labor data.

There were 486 work-related fatalities in Texas in 2006. This is down slightly from the 495 fatalities recorded in 2005.

The Texas Department of Insurance, Division of Workers' Compensation, compiled the state data based on the Aug. 9 Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries report. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics supplied the state and national data.

Of the deaths that occurred in Texas in 2006, transportation-related incidents continued to be the leading cause of fatalities, accounting for 41 percent of the deaths; another 29 percent occurred in construction and extraction-related jobs.

Within the construction trades, the most pervasive form of fatality occurred through falls.

The balance of workplace deaths in 2006 occurred after workers were either struck by objects, came in contact with electrical currents, died in fires or explosions, or were victims of homicides. Thirteen people died from self-inflicted wounds.

Nationwide, there were 5,703 fatal work injuries in 2006, a one-percent decrease from the 5,734 fatalities recorded in 2005.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2007/08/13/daily17.html

avatar4321
08-29-2007, 03:23 AM
Isn't the the purpose of the training exercise to teach survival? I am alittle confused why we would expect the army to be patrolling the countryside, filling their canteens, or looking for a person they clearly wouldnt know was missing until after the exercise was over. In real life they wouldnt have been there. Isnt training designed to reflect real life scenarios?

The army did give them phones and a way to contact if there was a problem. Im just not sure what else you expect when you are in survival training...

hjmick
08-29-2007, 11:08 AM
Let's see, who can we blame for more criminal acts, the military or illegal aliens?

That's easy, in fact you answered your own question. Illegal aliens. The simple fact that they entered the U.S. illegally makes it so. With over 12 million illegals in the U.S., they win hands down (that doesn't even include other offenses they may have committed).

Unless you have evidence of the military committing more than, oh let's be generous and say...15 million crimes a year, the illegal aliens win every time.

Monkeybone
08-29-2007, 11:14 AM
it really wasn't the Army, it was the Re Re trainers who were probably telling him to suck it up or something. also this guy might have been a whiner, so when something actually was wrong, it might've been the whole boy that cried wolf thing.