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jimnyc
02-16-2019, 01:57 PM
Who is afraid of "migrants"? Hell, who is even in fear of ILLEGAL immigrants? Perhaps "in fear" of economic implications?

Same crap in implying that folks are somehow afraid of fags by simply disagreeing with them.

No one is afraid of migrants, illegal or otherwise. Methinks this pope is a liberal. :)

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Pope Francis Urges Christians to Overcome Fear of Migrants

Pope Francis focused his homily on Friday on urging the faithful to resist “the wickedness and ugliness of our time” by not giving in to fears of migrants and refugees.

In these difficult times, we are tempted to “close ourselves in ourselves, in our fragile human security, in the circle of our loved ones, in our reassuring routine,” the pope said. But this withdrawal into ourselves is a “sign of defeat” that “increases our fear of others — strangers, the marginalized, foreigners — who are also the Lord’s privileged ones.”

“This is particularly evident today, in the face of the arrival of migrants and refugees who knock on our door in search of protection, security, and a better future,” Francis said.

The pope spoke these words at a Mass at the Fraterna Domus center outside Rome “in order to highlight his constant attention to the welcome of migrants,” Vatican News stated.

Francis celebrated the Mass to kick off a three-day meeting titled “Free from Fear,” organized by the Migrantes Foundation, Italian Caritas, and the Jesuit-run Astalli Center for Refugees, to discuss reception structures for migrants.

Throughout his six-year pontificate, Pope Francis has insisted that immigration and the care of migrants are primary concerns for Christians and should not be considered a second-tier issue.

In his 2018 apostolic exhortation bearing the Latin title Gaudete et Exsultate (“Rejoice and Be Glad”), for instance, the pope said Christians have no right to treat the plight of migrants as a minor moral issue because Jesus commanded his followers to welcome the stranger.

“We often hear it said that, with respect to relativism and the flaws of our present world, the situation of migrants, for example, is a lesser issue,” Francis wrote. “Some Catholics consider it a secondary issue compared to the ‘grave’ bioethical questions.”

“That a politician looking for votes might say such a thing is understandable, but not a Christian, for whom the only proper attitude is to stand in the shoes of those brothers and sisters of ours who risk their lives to offer a future to their children,” he continued.

“Can we not realize that this is exactly what Jesus demands of us, when he tells us that in welcoming the stranger we welcome him?” he asked.

The pontiff defended his continual insistence on the issue of migration by saying it was not just his pet cause, but a central teaching of the Bible.

“This is not a notion invented by some Pope, or a momentary fad. In today’s world too, we are called to follow the path of spiritual wisdom proposed by the prophet Isaiah to show what is pleasing to God,” he said.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2019/02/16/pope-francis-urges-christians-overcome-fear-migrants/

Abbey Marie
02-16-2019, 02:00 PM
“Pope Francis, tear down that (Vatican) wall!”

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-16-2019, 02:58 PM
Who is afraid of "migrants"? Hell, who is even in fear of ILLEGAL immigrants? Perhaps "in fear" of economic implications?

Same crap in implying that folks are somehow afraid of fags by simply disagreeing with them.

No one is afraid of migrants, illegal or otherwise. Methinks this pope is a liberal. :)

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Pope Francis Urges Christians to Overcome Fear of Migrants

Pope Francis focused his homily on Friday on urging the faithful to resist “the wickedness and ugliness of our time” by not giving in to fears of migrants and refugees.

In these difficult times, we are tempted to “close ourselves in ourselves, in our fragile human security, in the circle of our loved ones, in our reassuring routine,” the pope said. But this withdrawal into ourselves is a “sign of defeat” that “increases our fear of others — strangers, the marginalized, foreigners — who are also the Lord’s privileged ones.”

“This is particularly evident today, in the face of the arrival of migrants and refugees who knock on our door in search of protection, security, and a better future,” Francis said.

The pope spoke these words at a Mass at the Fraterna Domus center outside Rome “in order to highlight his constant attention to the welcome of migrants,” Vatican News stated.

Francis celebrated the Mass to kick off a three-day meeting titled “Free from Fear,” organized by the Migrantes Foundation, Italian Caritas, and the Jesuit-run Astalli Center for Refugees, to discuss reception structures for migrants.

Throughout his six-year pontificate, Pope Francis has insisted that immigration and the care of migrants are primary concerns for Christians and should not be considered a second-tier issue.

In his 2018 apostolic exhortation bearing the Latin title Gaudete et Exsultate (“Rejoice and Be Glad”), for instance, the pope said Christians have no right to treat the plight of migrants as a minor moral issue because Jesus commanded his followers to welcome the stranger.

“We often hear it said that, with respect to relativism and the flaws of our present world, the situation of migrants, for example, is a lesser issue,” Francis wrote. “Some Catholics consider it a secondary issue compared to the ‘grave’ bioethical questions.”

“That a politician looking for votes might say such a thing is understandable, but not a Christian, for whom the only proper attitude is to stand in the shoes of those brothers and sisters of ours who risk their lives to offer a future to their children,” he continued.

“Can we not realize that this is exactly what Jesus demands of us, when he tells us that in welcoming the stranger we welcome him?” he asked.

The pontiff defended his continual insistence on the issue of migration by saying it was not just his pet cause, but a central teaching of the Bible.

“This is not a notion invented by some Pope, or a momentary fad. In today’s world too, we are called to follow the path of spiritual wisdom proposed by the prophet Isaiah to show what is pleasing to God,” he said.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2019/02/16/pope-francis-urges-christians-overcome-fear-migrants/

This thing, this Pope was installed by the globalists. IT directly refutes biblical commands/verses.
No way is it a true Christian. HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD.
Yet this THING , tells Catholic followers that verse is in error!!!!
Really?? So according to this man . God made a typo ..
Or God could not protect his own word.
Catholics should rise up en masse and force this in league with Satan creature out of any position in their Church.
They do not and they will be judge for that , IMHO..-Tyr

KarlMarx
02-16-2019, 09:30 PM
Pope Francis is embarrassing

Case closed

darin
02-17-2019, 03:48 AM
This thing, this Pope was installed by the globalists. IT directly refutes biblical commands/verses.
No way is it a true Christian. HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD.
Yet this THING , tells Catholic followers that verse is in error!!!!
Really?? So according to this man . God made a typo ..
Or God could not protect his own word.
Catholics should rise up en masse and force this in league with Satan creature out of any position in their Church.
They do not and they will be judge for that , IMHO..-Tyr

But homosexuals are not an abomination. They are created in His image. Couple that with the politics that went into deciding what should be in the bible. Couple that with Christ's NEW 'commandment' which puts Loving people (regardless of their sin) above all else...


But on this issue - the Pope, bless his heart, is wronger than a football bat. He's wronger than two boys in a bath tub.

Nobody fears immigrants. Nobody fears migrants.

We fear the rape, murder, or theft of and from our loved-ones and financial slavery required to support "helping" them.

High_Plains_Drifter
02-17-2019, 07:50 AM
But homosexuals are not an abomination. They are created in His image.
Are you trying to say that GOD DIDN'T KNOW what he was saying when he called homosexuality an ABOMINATION? And are you also saying that GOD is a HOMO?

Darin... c'mooon buddy... this is taking your LOVE bit a little too far...

Leviticus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20%3A13&version=KJV

darin
02-17-2019, 10:23 AM
Are you trying to say that GOD DIDN'T KNOW what he was saying when he called homosexuality an ABOMINATION? And are you also saying that GOD is a HOMO?

Darin... c'mooon buddy... this is taking your LOVE bit a little too far...

Leviticus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20%3A13&version=KJV


I am saying two things. First, it's impossible to hate people or not-love people AND know God. I'm saying we should be wary of quoting only the scripture that supports our opinion. God took Love far enough to die. How far will you take love for people?

People who do that should have NO problem with abortion because:


Psalm 137:9 King James Version (KJV)

9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

People who do that should have NO problem with porn because:




Ezekiel 23:20-21 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

20 She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose semen was like that of horses. 21 So she longed to do the sinful things she did when she was young in Egypt, when young men caressed and fondled her breasts.

People who do that should have NO problem with pre-marital sex because:

See: Every King of Israel who was not married to his concubines, yet were men, some of whom, were men with hearts like God.

People who do that should also do it with the Bible telling us:

"Just as in Adam, all mankind was sentenced to death, in Christ all mankind shall be saved" (1 Corinthians 15:22)

Why do Christians NOT believe that part of the bible, i wonder. Why are we afraid to not-be-afraid? Why do we think "If I am not motivated to Love by Fear, maybe I wont be motivated at all?" Fear = beginning of wisdom. Love = the End.

i've heard it asked "Why do we NOT want to be made in the image of God? Why do we NOT want to forgive like we are forgiven?"

ALL things shall be made new, bro. All things.

High_Plains_Drifter
02-17-2019, 01:55 PM
I am saying two things. First, it's impossible to hate people or not-love people AND know God. I'm saying we should be wary of quoting only the scripture that supports our opinion. God took Love far enough to die. How far will you take love for people?

People who do that should have NO problem with abortion because:



People who do that should have NO problem with porn because:



People who do that should have NO problem with pre-marital sex because:

See: Every King of Israel who was not married to his concubines, yet were men, some of whom, were men with hearts like God.

People who do that should also do it with the Bible telling us:

"Just as in Adam, all mankind was sentenced to death, in Christ all mankind shall be saved" (1 Corinthians 15:22)

Why do Christians NOT believe that part of the bible, i wonder. Why are we afraid to not-be-afraid? Why do we think "If I am not motivated to Love by Fear, maybe I wont be motivated at all?" Fear = beginning of wisdom. Love = the End.

i've heard it asked "Why do we NOT want to be made in the image of God? Why do we NOT want to forgive like we are forgiven?"

ALL things shall be made new, bro. All things.
Hate the sin, love the sinner... :cool:

I think God made it very clear that it is an abomination, and I do believe that if you don't repent your sins, you will go to hell.

The Bible also says that the only way onto heaven is by the Son, to repent, and I don't think I'm wrong when I say most homosexuals are unrepentant of their sin.

One thing about the written word, there certainly is many ways to interpret what you read, and I think most people do.

You're a good guy, brother Darin, but I think we do have some basic differences in what we believe, and that's OK.

darin
02-17-2019, 03:04 PM
Hate the sin, love the sinner... :cool:

I think God made it very clear that it is an abomination, and I do believe that if you don't repent your sins, you will go to hell.

The Bible also says that the only way onto heaven is by the Son, to repent, and I don't think I'm wrong when I say most homosexuals are unrepentant of their sin.

One thing about the written word, there certainly is many ways to interpret what you read, and I think most people do.

You're a good guy, brother Darin, but I think we do have some basic differences in what we believe, and that's OK.

"hate the sin, love the sinner" is generally a license for christians to be awful. We do not have to hate sin. It's impossible to love somebody when one is so abrasive in their condemnation of behaviour.

So why is it christians do not believe all the bible? Why do christians believe only the parts they agree with? Why don't christians believe people deserve active love regardless of their sin; sin which was blatantly overcome through the cross? Why do christians believe christ/the bible was lying when it talks about christ already emptying hell? Why don't christians believe God's prophecy that we will love other humans as much or in the same way we love ourselves?

doesn't sound very christian.

High_Plains_Drifter
02-17-2019, 03:55 PM
"hate the sin, love the sinner" is generally a license for christians to be awful. We do not have to hate sin. It's impossible to love somebody when one is so abrasive in their condemnation of behaviour.

So why is it christians do not believe all the bible? Why do christians believe only the parts they agree with? Why don't christians believe people deserve active love regardless of their sin; sin which was blatantly overcome through the cross? Why do christians believe christ/the bible was lying when it talks about christ already emptying hell? Why don't christians believe God's prophecy that we will love other humans as much or in the same way we love ourselves?

doesn't sound very christian.
Well why does it say that "the path to heaven is narrow, and many won't find it, and that the path to hell is wide, and many will follow it?"

The Bible has been rewritten and translated so many times it's ridiculous. One Bible says things completely different than another.

You can start right out in Genesis and find many different ways to interpret it. For instance the Hebrew word, the original language the Bible was written in, for day is yon, but there isn't any definite description as to how long a day is, it doesn't specify a 24 hour period as we would assume. So the YEC cult believes God created the earth and the heavens in six days, as in a day being 24 hours, and on the seventh he rested, and going on that assumption they calculate the earth is only 6,000 or so years old, when it actuality, as science tells us, that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

So what should be we believe?

darin
02-18-2019, 04:59 AM
Well why does it say that "the path to heaven is narrow, and many won't find it, and that the path to hell is wide, and many will follow it?"

The Bible has been rewritten and translated so many times it's ridiculous. One Bible says things completely different than another.

You can start right out in Genesis and find many different ways to interpret it. For instance the Hebrew word, the original language the Bible was written in, for day is yon, but there isn't any definite description as to how long a day is, it doesn't specify a 24 hour period as we would assume. So the YEC cult believes God created the earth and the heavens in six days, as in a day being 24 hours, and on the seventh he rested, and going on that assumption they calculate the earth is only 6,000 or so years old, when it actuality, as science tells us, that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

So what should be we believe?


We should believe Christ when he said "It is finished." When he said "I will make ALL things new" When he said "Just as adam sent mankind to death, I bring life".

The "Path to heaven is narrow" verse doesn't mean people will spend eternity is hell being punished for sometimes stupid shit. It means "only a few will observe, understand, experience the path to living".

What happens when hell and death no longer exist? Where do the souls go? Or was christ telling the truth when he said he would reconcile all men; and all knees will bow knowing God is God?


The idea is - the bible is unclear on a lot of things EXCEPT for christ's call to love people and god as the single most defining heart-condition that determines one's understanding of God.


Learn to love.

STTAB
02-18-2019, 12:28 PM
This Pope is a total loser. Seriously

High_Plains_Drifter
02-18-2019, 12:33 PM
We should believe Christ when he said "It is finished." When he said "I will make ALL things new" When he said "Just as adam sent mankind to death, I bring life".

The "Path to heaven is narrow" verse doesn't mean people will spend eternity is hell being punished for sometimes stupid shit. It means "only a few will observe, understand, experience the path to living".

What happens when hell and death no longer exist? Where do the souls go? Or was christ telling the truth when he said he would reconcile all men; and all knees will bow knowing God is God?


The idea is - the bible is unclear on a lot of things EXCEPT for christ's call to love people and god as the single most defining heart-condition that determines one's understanding of God.


Learn to love.
We have fundamental differences in belief, Darin, period.

I have as much love in my life as the next person, but I also believe that just love isn't going to get me or anyone else into heaven. Now I know you think different, so whatever. I'm done discussing the Bible with you. I don't believe just getting the last word makes someone right either.

Feel the love.

Gunny
02-22-2019, 08:52 PM
Who is afraid of "migrants"? Hell, who is even in fear of ILLEGAL immigrants? Perhaps "in fear" of economic implications?

Same crap in implying that folks are somehow afraid of fags by simply disagreeing with them.

No one is afraid of migrants, illegal or otherwise. Methinks this pope is a liberal. :)

---

Pope Francis Urges Christians to Overcome Fear of Migrants

Pope Francis focused his homily on Friday on urging the faithful to resist “the wickedness and ugliness of our time” by not giving in to fears of migrants and refugees.

In these difficult times, we are tempted to “close ourselves in ourselves, in our fragile human security, in the circle of our loved ones, in our reassuring routine,” the pope said. But this withdrawal into ourselves is a “sign of defeat” that “increases our fear of others — strangers, the marginalized, foreigners — who are also the Lord’s privileged ones.”

“This is particularly evident today, in the face of the arrival of migrants and refugees who knock on our door in search of protection, security, and a better future,” Francis said.

The pope spoke these words at a Mass at the Fraterna Domus center outside Rome “in order to highlight his constant attention to the welcome of migrants,” Vatican News stated.

Francis celebrated the Mass to kick off a three-day meeting titled “Free from Fear,” organized by the Migrantes Foundation, Italian Caritas, and the Jesuit-run Astalli Center for Refugees, to discuss reception structures for migrants.

Throughout his six-year pontificate, Pope Francis has insisted that immigration and the care of migrants are primary concerns for Christians and should not be considered a second-tier issue.

In his 2018 apostolic exhortation bearing the Latin title Gaudete et Exsultate (“Rejoice and Be Glad”), for instance, the pope said Christians have no right to treat the plight of migrants as a minor moral issue because Jesus commanded his followers to welcome the stranger.

“We often hear it said that, with respect to relativism and the flaws of our present world, the situation of migrants, for example, is a lesser issue,” Francis wrote. “Some Catholics consider it a secondary issue compared to the ‘grave’ bioethical questions.”

“That a politician looking for votes might say such a thing is understandable, but not a Christian, for whom the only proper attitude is to stand in the shoes of those brothers and sisters of ours who risk their lives to offer a future to their children,” he continued.

“Can we not realize that this is exactly what Jesus demands of us, when he tells us that in welcoming the stranger we welcome him?” he asked.

The pontiff defended his continual insistence on the issue of migration by saying it was not just his pet cause, but a central teaching of the Bible.

“This is not a notion invented by some Pope, or a momentary fad. In today’s world too, we are called to follow the path of spiritual wisdom proposed by the prophet Isaiah to show what is pleasing to God,” he said.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2019/02/16/pope-francis-urges-christians-overcome-fear-migrants/I'm waiting for him to say converting to Islam isn't a bad thing.

High_Plains_Drifter
02-23-2019, 11:07 AM
I'm waiting for him to say converting to Islam isn't a bad thing.
Or pedophilia.

Black Diamond
02-23-2019, 12:38 PM
Or pedophilia.

They have already communicated to the world that that is acceptable with their cover-ups.