Troops Wearing ‘Make Aircrew Great Again’ Patch Triggers Outrage from Left

[jimnyc]

First, I wanted to ask our service folks about these patches. While I'm confident they probably are against regs, how harshly is something like this punished? And how are these guys in this story doing so with so many of them?

CSM Gunny High_Plains_Drifter icansayit darin

(not exluding many on purpose, just grabbed a few names from the current list at bottom of board to get a few vets in here. :salute:

Doesn't change how the left responds, whether against regs or not. Not long before they call them baby killers for wearing something like this. :rolleyes:

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Troops Wearing ‘Make Aircrew Great Again’ Patch Triggers Outrage from Left

Mass outrage on the left ensued after photos emerged of United States sailors aboard the USS Wasp wearing “Make Aircrew Great Again” patches with President Trump’s likeness on them.

The images were first reported by White House reporters traveling with the president on his trip to Japan, where he stopped at a U.S. military base in Yokosuka:

https://i.imgur.com/LbnwZJk.png

After the photos surfaced online, leftist commentators and pundits began calling for the airmen to be punished, claiming they had violated the U.S. Military Code of Justice (UMCJ) for engaging in political activity while in uniform.

One man who calls himself a “liberal provocateur” tried to alert their commander:

https://i.imgur.com/xbwbznM.png

He had also called them wearing the patch “fascism,” and asked if they had “armbands, too”:

https://i.imgur.com/YA12ash.png

Another leftist dug up photos to confirm whether the patches were actually real, and found they have been worn since at least September 2017:

https://i.imgur.com/UgSamA4.png

One professor worried that the military was not loyal to civilian control and the Constitution, and was now “part of a presidential personality cult”:

https://i.imgur.com/DBfLX2t.png

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/28/troops-wearing-make-aircrew-great-again-patches-triggers-outrage-left/

[Elessar]

Questionable...especially if on a flight suit.

If on an outer coat or jacket, no problem I can see there.

Someone complaining that the patches are UCMJ violations are grasping at straws,
in my opinion. It would be up to the Command to make that decision.

Air Station Humboldt Bay used to have a Greatful Dead symbol on a patch,
but that was not promoting weed or smack.

[jimnyc]

Thanks for the answer! Figures the one person on the list I missed comes in and answers. :)

[Elessar]

Thanks for the answer! Figures the one person on the list I missed comes in and answers. :)

I do anxiously await the opinions from the list you made, though.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

If they were approved by the brass, then they're fine. But if they sewed them on without approval, they're out of USMJ 3510, which the punishment could just be told to take them off.

At least that's the way it would have been 32 years ago last time I was active duty.

But the fact that they pissed off the left is worth it's weight in GOLD.

[darin]

Two things - wearing non-authorized uniform accessories is not UCMJ stuff - it's whatever the Navy Regulation on wear-and-appearance of the uniform in. NAVPERS or something? In the Army is AR670-1. Now, what the folks are bitching about MAY be the Hatch Act - which prohibits 'politicking' while in uniform. Thus, Soldiers (using that term loosely to cover all branches) and even DoD Civilians cannot while on govt time and using govt resources from supporting or promoting or campaigning for a political post or election. Those folks CAN voice their opinions when asked candidly. The right of Freedom of Speech is not to be abridged. There is a line and every year, every Federal Employee should and likely is briefed - that includes Military folk.

To the issue of the patches: Servicemen and Servicewomen have a long-standing tradition of adopting cartoonish mascots or sayings to inspire morale and stuff. I am not a JAG officer nor a constitutional law or even military regulations specialist. However - with approval of their chain of command, the Servicefolk in question have broken no laws or rules. Short of somebody arguing the words "Make (anything) great again" is forever tantamount to endorsing President Trump, there's not foul here. If somebody were to make that claim, I'd consider also more-commonly-used and over-used words and phrases from politicians as tantamount to endorsement. Phrases such as "I" and "me" and "With your help" and "make america normal again"

Further - the comment:

"the military must be loyal to civilian control..."

That's stupid. It's actually obvious the Military members in question are supporting their Civilian controller.

[CSM]

What Darin said....

AR 670-1 is the regulation covering the wear of the uniform (for Army) that applies here. UCMJ only would apply if command decided to prosecute the individuals (highly unlikely in this case) for violation of an order to remove unauthorized insignia. Even then it would more than likely result in non-judicial punishment such as an Article 15 which means possible loss of pay for a short period and reduction in rank (worst case).

[Gunny]

Not much different in the Marine Corps. Every unit has a "patch"/logo/insignia for unit pride/morale. While each Marine unit has such (my avatar being one for the 7th Marine Regiment), Marines do not wear them on the uniform. Until the First Gulf War, we didn't even wear name tapes but some whiny-ass MSM types couldn't identify anyone by name and cried about it. We wore only rank insignia (with the usual exceptions to the rule like special duty assignments that required a name tag). That's our name. Marine.

The unit logo has been around forever and is proscribed by command. It is usually incorporated into the unit flag. The Army & Air Force have them on their uniforms as I recall and call them unit crests.. We do not. I don't recall that the Navy wears them on their uniform either. We have a flag, coffee mugs (a must :)), tee shirts, stickers and other such trash with bearing the unit logo.

Fuck these pussies looking to be offended over nothing. Let them cry.

However, bet money the commander is pressured to change it even though as Darin pointed out, it's a benign statement.

[CSM]

Not much different in the Marine Corps. Every unit has a "patch"/logo/insignia for unit pride/morale. While each Marine unit has such (my avatar being one for the 7th Marine Brigade), Marines do not wear them on the uniform. Until the First Gulf War, we didn't even wear name tapes but some whiny-ass MSM types couldn't identify anyone by name and cried about it. We wore only rank insignia (with the usual exceptions to the rule like special duty assignments that required a name tag). That's our name. Marine.

The unit logo has been around forever and is proscribed by command. It is usually incorporated into the unit flag. The Army & Air Force have them on their uniforms as I recall and call them unit crests.. We do not. I don't recall that the Navy wears them on their uniform either. We have a flag, coffee mugs (a must :)), tee shirts, stickers and other such trash with bearing the unit logo.

Fuck these pussies looking to be offended over nothing. Let them cry.

However, bet money the commander is pressured to change it even though as Darin pointed out, it's a benign statement.

The Army has unit patches (worn on the everyday uniform as well as dress uniform) and unit crests which are worn on the dress uniform only. They even have a patch for retirees...lol

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I heard for 8 years that our uniform and it's appearance was covered under "35-10." I guess my memory skipped a beat here thinking it was under the UCMJ. Evidently it was an AFR, Air Force Regulation, but even that has changed now, but it was 35-10...

https://www.quora.com/What-year-did-the-U-S-Air-Force-change-from-afi-35-10-to-afi-36-2903-Why-did-they-change-their-regulation

[Gunny]

The Army has unit patches (worn on the everyday uniform as well as dress uniform) and unit crests which are worn on the dress uniform only. They even have a patch for retirees...lolThat driving award that looks like a pewter wheel, well, because it IS a pewter wheel, was the one Army award that just busted me up. I couldn't keep a straight face :laugh:

[CSM]

That driving award that looks like a pewter wheel, well, because it IS a pewter wheel, was the one Army award that just busted me up. I couldn't keep a straight face :laugh:

Everyone gets a trophy! I always thought the marksmanship badges were bullshit too.

[pete311]

It's very simple. The military should not be politicized. They defend all Americans, not just Trump supporters.

[STTAB]

First, I wanted to ask our service folks about these patches. While I'm confident they probably are against regs, how harshly is something like this punished? And how are these guys in this story doing so with so many of them?

@CSM (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=36) @Gunny (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=30) @High_Plains_Drifter (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=3558) @icansayit (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=3857) @darin (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=19)

(not exluding many on purpose, just grabbed a few names from the current list at bottom of board to get a few vets in here. :salute:

Doesn't change how the left responds, whether against regs or not. Not long before they call them baby killers for wearing something like this. :rolleyes:

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Troops Wearing ‘Make Aircrew Great Again’ Patch Triggers Outrage from Left

Mass outrage on the left ensued after photos emerged of United States sailors aboard the USS Wasp wearing “Make Aircrew Great Again” patches with President Trump’s likeness on them.

The images were first reported by White House reporters traveling with the president on his trip to Japan, where he stopped at a U.S. military base in Yokosuka:

https://i.imgur.com/LbnwZJk.png

After the photos surfaced online, leftist commentators and pundits began calling for the airmen to be punished, claiming they had violated the U.S. Military Code of Justice (UMCJ) for engaging in political activity while in uniform.

One man who calls himself a “liberal provocateur” tried to alert their commander:

https://i.imgur.com/xbwbznM.png

He had also called them wearing the patch “fascism,” and asked if they had “armbands, too”:

https://i.imgur.com/YA12ash.png

Another leftist dug up photos to confirm whether the patches were actually real, and found they have been worn since at least September 2017:

https://i.imgur.com/UgSamA4.png

One professor worried that the military was not loyal to civilian control and the Constitution, and was now “part of a presidential personality cult”:

https://i.imgur.com/DBfLX2t.png

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/28/troops-wearing-make-aircrew-great-again-patches-triggers-outrage-left/

I don't believe those are official uniforms so the UCMJ doesn't apply, but they probably shouldn't be wearing those patches . As for screeching liberals, it's time to end them.

[pete311]

I don't believe those are official uniforms so the UCMJ doesn't apply, but they probably shouldn't be wearing those patches . As for screeching liberals, it's time to end them.

What do you mean by "time to end them"?

[STTAB]

What do you mean by "time to end them"?

I mean these liberal scum should be gathered up and summarily executed. Yes Pete I advocate euthanizing stupid people. They ruin this country.

[pete311]

I mean these liberal scum should be gathered up and summarily executed. Yes Pete I advocate euthanizing stupid people. They ruin this country.

Maybe concentration camps and gas chambers?

[jimnyc]

It's very simple. The military should not be politicized. They defend all Americans, not just Trump supporters.

WAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

It's very simple, nothing will happen and you have zero choice but to deal with it. And while they WILL defend your sorry ass, don't think the military doesn't see the lack of support and BS from the liberals. If they want to wear patches in order to raise their morale or for whatever reason, I stand behind them 100%. No way would any of this effect their readiness and abilities. So other than that, the only issue is with the patches offending panty wearers on the left.

[STTAB]

Maybe concentration camps and gas chambers?

Oh let me guess you're pro abortion right up until conception but I'm evil for wanting to euthanize stupid useless people? Time for your shower Petey.

[Gunny]

It's very simple. The military should not be politicized. They defend all Americans, not just Trump supporters.Not if we could weed you out and pic and choose we don't. I support and defend Americans who support the Constitution of the United States. Not the people who are out to destroy it.

Don't think for a second I don't get to pick and choose my targets and/or turn a blind eye. Cool thing about being the guy with the trigger.

The patch is benign. I don't see Trump's name on it anywhere. Tissue?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's very simple. The military should not be politicized. They defend all Americans, not just Trump supporters.
Yeah you're probably thinking, I come back and make one statement, and I get attacked for it... but holy cow, this is what you broke your silence to say?

Dang... :slap:

[Gunny]

Yeah you're probably thinking, I come back and make one statement, and I get attacked for it... but holy cow, this is what you broke your silence to say?

Dang... :slap:Pete is the master at slamming the door on his own crank.

[icansayit]

Guess this also applies to all of the Navy members, on all Navy ships, who also wear RED BALL CAPS because they are part of the Damage Control Gangs, and Firefighters, Instructors, who also have Patches?

Bet this guy petey Ocasio Cortexx agree's with preventing the flying of the AMERICAN FLAG too???

[icansayit]

Pete is the master at slamming the door on his own crank.

Slamming the door also creates....GELDINGS!

[Elessar]

Maybe concentration camps and gas chambers?

What happened to those clients and trainees of yours that surfaced when the Mueller report came Out?

You said you were too busy to to respond, even though you said you would upon the release. You turned tail
and ran, stayed lurking and did not come back.

pete311, you are a lying liberal coward!

[Gunny]

Slamming the door also creates....GELDINGS!That can be a good thing. More left tards should try it :)

[pete311]

What happened to those clients and trainees of yours that surfaced when the Mueller report came Out?

You said you were too busy to to respond, even though you said you would upon the release. You turned tail
and ran, stayed lurking and did not come back.

@pete311 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1821), you are a lying liberal coward!

Respond to what? You don't find anything wrong in the Mueller report and I do. What is there to debate? I'm not playing your game where I spend an hour writing a post and having it go no where. I have a life to live. Read the report, listen to Mueller's press conference and the issue is clear.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Respond to what? You don't find anything wrong in the Mueller report and I do. What is there to debate? I'm not playing your game where I spend an hour writing a post and having it go no where. I have a life to live. Read the report, listen to Mueller's press conference and the issue is clear.
Mueller did NOT have a "press conference." That's where you actually TAKE QUESTIONS. What Mueller did yesterday was appease his far left friends by taking one last passing cheap shot at the President of the United States, who he REALLY wanted to find GUILTY of SOMETHING but couldn't. He had to quit when all roads continued to lead to Hitlery Clinton, the DNC and the democrat deep state. Not to mention, Mueller's report and his "STATEMENT" yesterday were basically ILLEGAL. He should be charged with DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER and SLANDER. He is a HACK of the worst kind. President Trump, as is ANY legal American citizen, are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, but what this STEAMING PILE OF RAT SHIT MUELLER said yesterday was, "he couldn't find any proof the president was NOT GUILTY," which PRESUMES he's GUILTY FIRST, which is absolutely ASS BACKWARDS in the FIRST PLACE. In America, you have the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE, and it is upon the state to prove you GUILTY, not INSINUATE you're GUILTY because they COULDN'T PROVE YOU INNOCENT. That's absolutely INSANE. It's also about as CORRUPT as you can get. That's what this WHOLE THING WAS from the VERY BEGINNING, an investigation WITHOUT A CRIME, which makes his appointment ILLEGAL AS WELL. Mueller's job was to follow up on the DNC, CLINTON "INSURANCE POLICY," and all he got was being able to ENTRAP a few low hanging fruit for PROCESS CRIMES, which is lower than DIRT and pathetic, and even then, my bet is some of them APPEAL and GET OFF.

You've put your faith in WHAT, Pete? What is the president GUILTY of? You find things WRONG in the Mueller report? LIKE WHAT? You tell us what the president DID WRONG... I'd LOVE to hear THIS...

[pete311]

Mueller did NOT have a "press conference." That's where you actually TAKE QUESTIONS. What Mueller did yesterday was appease his far left friends by taking one last passing cheap shot at the President of the United States, who he REALLY wanted to find GUILTY of SOMETHING but couldn't. He had to quit when all roads continued to lead to Hitlery Clinton, the DNC and the democrat deep state. Not to mention, Mueller's report and his "STATEMENT" yesterday were basically ILLEGAL. He should be charged with DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER and SLANDER. He is a HACK of the worst kind. President Trump, as is ANY legal American citizen, are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, but what this STEAMING PILE OF RAT SHIT MUELLER said yesterday was, "he couldn't find any proof the president was NOT GUILTY," which PRESUMES he's GUILTY FIRST, which is absolutely ASS BACKWARDS in the FIRST PLACE. That's what this WHOLE THING WAS from VERY BEGINNING, an investigation WITHOUT A CRIME. Mueller's job was to FIND a crime, and all he got was FRAMING a few people for PROCESS CRIMES, which is lower than DIRT, and even then, my bet is some of them APPEAL and GET OFF.

You've put your faith in WHAT, Pete? What is the president GUILTY of? You find things WRONG in the Mueller report? LIKE WHAT? You tell us what the president DID WRONG... I'd LOVE to hear THIS...

ahhh I've missed your raging caps. The statement was DoJ and Barr approved. I like how everyone has pivoted from "total exoneration" to "innocent until proven guilty" or "insufficient evidence". You're mental gymnastics and delusion is masterful. Read the report. I'm not your babysitter. Mueller said the only reason he couldn't bring charges was because of DoJ policy and that the proper mechanism was for congress to act.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

ahhh I've missed your raging caps. The statement was DoJ and Barr approved. I like how everyone has pivoted from "total exoneration" to "innocent until proven guilty" or "insufficient evidence". You're mental gymnastics and delusion is masterful. Read the report. I'm not your babysitter. Mueller said the only reason he couldn't bring charges was because of DoJ policy and that the proper mechanism was for congress to act.
And I've missed your lunatic, brain dead leftism, but I don't miss how you COMPLETELY ignore the content of my post, and respond with pure balderdash.

You didn't answer my question either, and I don't believe you can, or will.

So I'm done with you until you do. I'm not responding to your bull shit. You either get specific or talk to someone else.

Mueller is a HACK, and had he had ANY evidence that our president committed a CRIME, he would have SAID SO. He was DYING to find SOMETHING but DIDN'T. Did he say the president committed a crime? NO... N FUCKING O... NO.

[Elessar]

Respond to what? You don't find anything wrong in the Mueller report and I do. What is there to debate? I'm not playing your game where I spend an hour writing a post and having it go no where. I have a life to live. Read the report, listen to Mueller's press conference and the issue is clear.

You are weak. Plus...what does this have to do with that assault carrier's wearing of patches?
Looking for an easy target to spew your crybaby drivel?

What is clear? Clear is that nothing was found to substantiate all of the accusations.
Suck that up, cupcake.

You stated that when the report came out that you would respond and discuss.
That did not happen. You ran and hid but lurked for days. So it did not work out for the
liberal agenda of illegal wire tapping, surveillance, false innuendo, the false FISA warrants.

Sucks to be a brattish liberal!:laugh:

And what do your childish rants have to do with the topic?

[Elessar]

WAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

It's very simple, nothing will happen and you have zero choice but to deal with it. And while they WILL defend your sorry ass, don't think the military doesn't see the lack of support and BS from the liberals. If they want to wear patches in order to raise their morale or for whatever reason, I stand behind them 100%. No way would any of this effect their readiness and abilities. So other than that, the only issue is with the patches offending panty wearers on the left.

When rescuing or assisting swimmers or mariners in distress, we make no distinction of politics, race,
gender, or nationality. That is our mandate, period! Heartstrings are tweaked if it is a child, though!

[Gunny]

Respond to what? You don't find anything wrong in the Mueller report and I do. What is there to debate? I'm not playing your game where I spend an hour writing a post and having it go no where. I have a life to live. Read the report, listen to Mueller's press conference and the issue is clear.You're correct about one thing: the issue is clear. Mueller's witch hunt was a witch hunt from the start, way back when most of us were trying to get it through that block of wood on your shoulders that it was a witch hunt and the "evidence" has proven it so. It was nothing but a lame-ass move on the part of the Dems/left to divert attention from the ball.

Now your whiny asses don't like the truth so you're trying to STILL dream up more BS. And you're buy the next pig in a poke just lie you did the last one for no more reason than blind, stupid, partisan hatred. There's no more to it, you, nor your political party than that.

[pete311]

You are weak. Plus...what does this have to do with that assault carrier's wearing of patches?
Looking for an easy target to spew your crybaby drivel?

What is clear? Clear is that nothing was found to substantiate all of the accusations.
Suck that up, cupcake.

You stated that when the report came out that you would respond and discuss.
That did not happen. You ran and hid but lurked for days. So it did not work out for the
liberal agenda of illegal wire tapping, surveillance, false innuendo, the false FISA warrants.

Sucks to be a brattish liberal!:laugh:

And what do your childish rants have to do with the topic?

That's not what Mueller or the report said. He said he couldn't indict because of DoJ policy and it's up to congress.

[Gunny]

That's not what Mueller or the report said. He said he couldn't indict because of DoJ policy and it's up to congress.Like I said ... he passed the buck. Like you lefties are so fond of doing. No making a decisions that require owning them, right, Pete?

Y'know, I used to argue all the time, for years, that lefties weren't really stupid just misguided and/or uneducated. I have found the past two years I have about as much basis for that argument as Mueller had for an investigation into Russian collusion. Oh wait, it isn't Russian collusion anymore, right? Now it's obstruction of justice :rolleyes:

The weather here sucks in May. I think we should investigate not only Trump's play in it, but GWB's and his "hurricane machine" as well :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Getting the idea nothing and no one on the left is being taken seriously anymore? Y'all are a circus act. A lame one.

[STTAB]

ahhh I've missed your raging caps. The statement was DoJ and Barr approved. I like how everyone has pivoted from "total exoneration" to "innocent until proven guilty" or "insufficient evidence". You're mental gymnastics and delusion is masterful. Read the report. I'm not your babysitter. Mueller said the only reason he couldn't bring charges was because of DoJ policy and that the proper mechanism was for congress to act.

The only people pivoting are you moronic liberals. Idiot. You won't find a single example of the DoJ coming out and saying "we found proof that X is innocent of Y crime" because that isn't their job. They either prosecute or they don't.

Bizzarely Mueller did the same thing to Trump that Comey did to Hillary, and I bet you hated Comey for that.

Dipshit.