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jimnyc
06-15-2019, 01:30 PM
We have discussed before the right one has to their own body. I agree in every sense with that - except in an unprecedented situation such as this one.

I feel saddened that this teenager felt enough pain in her that she felt the need to end her suffering by taking her own life. Rape is horrible and no person should ever have to be violated in such a manner, or any manner for that fact. This poor girl was sexually assaulted when she was just 11 years old, and again when she was 12. She was then raped when she was 14.

I fully get it when it's a patient with a 100% guaranteed fatal outcome, and upcoming treatment that is worse than death. But even then I disagree and agree. I don't want to see anyone suffer, but I also disagree with suicide mostly.

This poor girl obviously needed very intense therapy - inpatient. And I'm sure she did receive a lot of care, but the fact they were at "shock therapy" saddens me. I would have exhausted helping her in every country imaginable if I had to, and tried every last option known - and then some. Just letting her go to do this just truly puzzles me, even if she was turning away foods/drinks. :(

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Netherland Teen’s Sad End Suggests New Standard in Accepting ‘Right to Die’

The apparent suicide of a teen in the Netherlands who said she chose to die rather than endure the trauma of being sexually assaulted and raped is a stark example of the continuing deterioration of the sanctity of life.

Noa Pothoven, who was 17, told followers on Instagram that she would end her life.

“Love is letting go, in this case,” Noa wrote in the Instagram post, reported by the New York Post.

“Maybe this comes as a surprise to some … but my plan has been there for a long time and is not impulsive,” she wrote, saying she was in “unbearable pain.”

“I will get straight to the point: within a maximum of 10 days I will die.”

Noa said she could not live with the trauma of having been sexually assaulted at age 11 at a friend’s party and again a year later at another get-together, then being raped at 14 by two men on the street.

Noa had contacted an end-of-life clinic in The Hague unbeknownst to her loved ones, according to The Sun. Her reported goal: to explore euthanasia as an option.

However, contrary to early news reports, she was not euthanized.

In a prepared statement published last week, the clinic called Levenseindekliniek—its name translated as End of Life Clinic or Life End Clinic—said:


“To put an end to incorrect reporting (in foreign media in particular) about her death, we refer to the statement made by friends of Noa this afternoon: Noa Pothoven did not die of euthanasia. To stop her suffering, she has stopped eating and drinking.”

What is most tragic about Noa’s story is that, reportedly, her parents and doctors resigned themselves to her decision to kill herself after she declined electroshock therapy to treat her suicidal tendencies.

“After electroshock therapy was refused, Pothoven insisted she wanted no further treatment and a hospital bed was set up at home in the care of her parents,” Naomi O’Leary, a correspondent with Politico Europe, tweeted in her efforts to get the facts straight.

“At the start of June she began refusing all fluids and food, and her parents and doctors agreed not to force feed her.”

What is sobering about the “right to die” movement in the Netherlands, and the rest of the world for that matter, is that it’s far beyond a mere slippery slope.

Euthanasia, physican-assisted suicide, and suicide, as Noa’s situation shows us, are being used to groom society to accept death as a means of prematurely ending a life that is painful physically or emotionally, or is perceived as inconvenient.

Physician-assisted suicide is legal in eight states in the U.S. (with Maine becoming the most recent one Wednesday) and six countries (Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Switzerland).

Noa wrote on Instagram of her decision to die, again, according to the New York Post:


“After years of battling and fighting, I am drained. I have quit eating and drinking for a while now, and after many discussions and evaluations, it was decided to let me go because my suffering is unbearable. … This is my decision and it is final.

“I breathe, but I no longer live.”

Noa wrote in her 2018 autobiography “Winning or Learning’’ that the trauma from being sexually assaulted never went away, the New York Post reported.

“I relive the fear, that pain every day. Always scared, always on my guard. And to this day my body still feels dirty,” she wrote.

This tragic story is a clear warning sign that some in society are trying to make death by suicide commonplace.

In America, politicians long have touted abortion as a “safe, legal, and rare” means to end a life that was unplanned, unwanted, or an apparent medical risk.

Similarly, pro-death advocates have pushed euthanasia as a convenient way to end suffering, or an excuse to hasten death when a patient’s “quality of life” has decreased.

Noa’s case ushers in a whole new standard of acceptance of death as a voluntary decision.

While she was hospitalized last year for anorexia, Noa reportedly had no chronic disease that “death with dignity” advocates could use an excuse for her “right to die.”

It appears Noa essentially was allowed to commit suicide because she believed she couldn’t cope with the pain of being a victim of sexual assault and rape.

Her case begs the question: How long will it be until severely depressed people are allowed to commit suicide and encouraged to do so as a way to cope with their pain?

Legislators and governors across seven U.S. states have said it’s OK for doctors to euthanize patients who request it. And who’s to say that suicide to “treat” severe depression and mental illness isn’t far behind?

After all, it’s “my body, my choice,” right?

Unfortunately, physicians appear to be, at the very least, not discouraging this undermining of the value of life.

Again, Politico Europe’s O’Leary wrote of Noa: “At the start of June she began refusing all fluids and food, and her parents and doctors agreed not to force feed her.”

Physicians and others who try to preserve the traditional ethical and moral code should be the staunchest defenders of protecting the right to life of those who are ill and mentally troubled, not among the first to acquiesce to death as an option to cope with chronic illness or trauma.

Under the ancient Greeks’ Hippocratic oath, physicians across the centuries have sworn to “neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect.”

“Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy,” the oath continues. “In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.”

It should be telling to all of us that physicians in the 5th century B.C., when the Hippocratic oath was written, were well aware that circumstances would arise that would challenge such an oath.

They still forged ahead and remained faithful to their calling to save life, not hasten its destruction.

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/rachel-del-guidice/netherland-teens-sad-end-suggests-new-standard-accepting-right-die

Noir
06-16-2019, 05:39 AM
I don’t see what the alternative is? You can’t force someone to want to be alive, no matter the circumstances that result in them wanting to be dead.

jimnyc
06-16-2019, 08:02 AM
I don’t see what the alternative is? You can’t force someone to want to be alive, no matter the circumstances that result in them wanting to be dead.

I opened several tabs/threads and was prepared to answer this and discuss. But your replies elsewhere lead me to believe you'll just be a douche about it. I'll wait for someone else.

jimnyc
06-16-2019, 09:46 AM
I read another article on this weeks back and can't find it, but it listed many many options on what to do in cases like this, which would be no different than any other suicidal person. Perhaps start off with Baker acting them to protect them. And hold them as long as possible if necessary for treatment. Different places, different backgrounds, different people. Everything must be exhausted before we simply allow and help people to commit suicide. But the Baker act is the most sensible and no sane doctor would have let her leave in the USA. Of course suicide will leave you feeling like there is no alternative, that you have exhausted all efforts, than nothing can help, that it's all useless. So foreign doctors somehow agreeing with her and letting her die is pathetic, IMO.

I would have her committed. Force fed if necessary. I'd stay with her in the hospital if my family member.