Will the Democrats call for the following resignations?

[avatar4321]

Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?

[nevadamedic]

Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?

Violate campaign finance laws................

[retiredman]

now, if you could find me a quote from one elected democrat that actually called for Craig's resignation, that would be real nice.

Barring that, you are a liar.

[avatar4321]

now, if you could find me a quote from one elected democrat that actually called for Craig's resignation, that would be real nice.

Barring that, you are a liar.

Where have I said that only elected Democrats have called for Craig's resignation?

You guys got outraged at Craig's Behavior. Why arent you outraged over the worse behavior in your own party?

[nevadamedic]

now, if you could find me a quote from one elected democrat that actually called for Craig's resignation, that would be real nice.

Barring that, you are a liar.

There were actually a few. The only reasons they Republican's asked for his Resignation is because a major election is coming up. There are quite a few Republicans that are supporting this guy and CNN just broke the story that he is considering pulling his resignation. :dance:

[retiredman]

There were actually a few. The only reasons they Republican's asked for his Resignation is because a major election is coming up. There are quite a few Republicans that are supporting this guy and CNN just broke the story that he is considering pulling his resignation. :dance:

so..if there were a few, you should have no problem quoting them.

I'll wait

[avatar4321]

so..if there were a few, you should have no problem quoting them.

I'll wait

Why should he? its completely irrelevant to the question I asked.

[retiredman]

so...I guess you would need to show me where democrats were outraged at Criag's BEHAVIOR as opposed to Craig's HYPOCRISY...

I'll wait

[April15]

Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?
Jefferson should but the rest are no worse than the Bonsai.

[avatar4321]

so...I guess you would need to show me where democrats were outraged at Criag's BEHAVIOR as opposed to Craig's HYPOCRISY...

I'll wait

So what you're saying is behavior doesn't matter?

[JohnDoe]

Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?

First Avatar,

Why did you say the Democrats called for Larry Craig's resignation, when that is SIMPLY NOT TRUE and a fabrication by YOU?

The Republicans called for Larry Craig's resignation and prematurely at that...compared to how they have treated Senator Vitter for breaking the law and repeatedly visiting prostitutes in both Washington and New orleans, while he was married....an adulterer... as well.

What has Senator Kennedy done in the last 20 years that calls for his resignation? Has he been charged with a crime?

Has Murtha been charged with a crime?
Has Clinton been charged with a crime?
Has Kerry been charged with a crime?
Has Pelosi been charged with a crime?
Has Reid been charged with a crime?

I don't know who Filner is.....

Jefferson has been charged with a crime and was removed from the committees of importance that he lead....but has not been tried yet or found guilty yet. The republican lead justice dept took their good ole time and had not even charged him with any crime, prior to the election... in which he rewon his seat.

I also believe that because he is black, and screaming bloody murder about the unfairness of his offices being searched, while duke cunningham's wasn't and Delay's wasn't and Ney's wasn't and so on and so forth of white men that were charged with crimes in Congress, that all that can be done is to sit back and wait for his guilty verdict.

But to imply that Democrats called for the resignation of Larry Craig because of his guity plea to a misdemeanor is an outright, fabrication? Isn't it Avatar?

And good morning Avator, :coffee:

[retiredman]

So what you're saying is behavior doesn't matter?

I am saying that democrats don't get as wound up about gays as republicans do. For the most part, we don't see homosexuality as some sort of mental disease or abomination like republicans do. If somebody is gay and wants to serve his or her government in an elected capacity, I am totally fine with that. I am way more interested in someone's stance on the issues that REALLY impact America. I really have no interest in their sexual preferences.

What IS upsetting to me is the hypocrisy of senator Craig making a career out of acting like this Christian anti-gay avenger successfully pandering for religious right votes in ruby-red Idaho while simultaneously trolling for man on man buttsex in Minnesota airport restrooms.

[GW in Ohio]

Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?


The standards are different for Republicans and Democrats.

The Dems have never represented themselves as anything but a bunch of drunken crooks who cheat on their wives. The voters apparently accept them as loveable rogues, and keep re-electing them.

But the GOPers.......

Now this is a bunch that's portrayed themselves as "moral....the party of family values." They've always said, "Elect us and we'll uphold the morality of the country. We'll represent true Christian virtue."

If a Democrat is caught soliciting sex in the men's room, well, it's what we expect of them.

But when a Republican is caught toe-tapping and looking to play "hide the salami" in the men's room, that's a different story. All bets are off and it's a feeding frenzy.

Larry Craig voted for one of those stupid Defense of Marriage Acts. He is hoisted on his own petard.

[diuretic]

Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?

Which one is the murderer? Careful, could be a trick question....
What's illegal about "land deals"? Quick get Donald Trump, serial criminal!
Which one committed treason? I suppose you'll say "all of them" :lol:
How about taking kickbacks and bribes (shouldn't that be "taking kickbacks" and "offering bribes" though?) Sorry I nearly sniggered when I remembered all the Republicans in or on the way to prison for corruption offences. Good old Jack the Hat. Has he finished talking to the FBI yet?

[JackDaniels]

The Republicans have officially lost all credibility on "family values"

Time and time again, we're finding that the Republicans are closet gays and perverts (Not that they're any different from the Democrats)

- Larry Craig plead guilty (and as much as you don't think it does, that means a LOT)
- Mark Foley (need I say more?)
- Newt Gingrich served divorce papers to his wife while visiting her in the hospital while she was being treated for cancer (so much for family values!)
- Rudy Giuliani has run his personal life into the ground going through numerous divorces and leading to the point where his own children hate him (so much for family values!)
- Joe Scarborough left Congress after the woman he was rumored to be having an affair with was found dead in his office and he has just divorced his wife
- Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator from Puerto Rico, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9
- Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist from Colorado, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her.
- Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy
- Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist from Maryland, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar
- Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector from Virginia, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000
- Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens
- Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography
- Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.


The list goes on and on and on. You could make a similar list for Democrats doing very very similar things. But, the point is that Republicans have officially lost their monopoly on moral issues.

[glockmail]

The standards are different for Republicans and Democrats.

The Dems have never represented themselves as anything but a bunch of drunken crooks who cheat on their wives. The voters apparently accept them as loveable rogues, and keep re-electing them.

But the GOPers.......

Now this is a bunch that's portrayed themselves as "moral....the party of family values." They've always said, "Elect us and we'll uphold the morality of the country. We'll represent true Christian virtue."

If a Democrat is caught soliciting sex in the men's room, well, it's what we expect of them.

But when a Republican is caught toe-tapping and looking to play "hide the salami" in the men's room, that's a different story. All bets are off and it's a feeding frenzy.

Larry Craig voted for one of those stupid Defense of Marriage Acts. He is hoisted on his own petard.

What an ugly double-standard. :pee:

[avatar4321]

The standards are different for Republicans and Democrats.

The Dems have never represented themselves as anything but a bunch of drunken crooks who cheat on their wives. The voters apparently accept them as loveable rogues, and keep re-electing them.

But the GOPers.......

Now this is a bunch that's portrayed themselves as "moral....the party of family values." They've always said, "Elect us and we'll uphold the morality of the country. We'll represent true Christian virtue."

If a Democrat is caught soliciting sex in the men's room, well, it's what we expect of them.

But when a Republican is caught toe-tapping and looking to play "hide the salami" in the men's room, that's a different story. All bets are off and it's a feeding frenzy.

Larry Craig voted for one of those stupid Defense of Marriage Acts. He is hoisted on his own petard.

Let's assume that everything is true and that he was soliciting gay sex.

How does that make him hypocritical for voting for the Defense of Marriage act?

[BoogyMan]

Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?

Lets not forget the possible violation of the Logan Act by Nancy Pelosi with her unofficial visit to see Bashar Assad.

[stephanie]

The standards are different for Republicans and Democrats.

The Dems have never represented themselves as anything but a bunch of drunken crooks who cheat on their wives. The voters apparently accept them as loveable rogues, and keep re-electing them.

If a Democrat is caught soliciting sex in the men's room, well, it's what we expect of them.

:lol:

OH MY...
I hope all you Democrats love being lumped into this description of you all.......:lmao:

[diuretic]

:lol:

OH MY...
I hope all you Democrats love being lumped into this description of you all.......:lmao:

And the problem is?......:laugh2:

I laughed my guts out, what a great post! :clap:

[GW in Ohio]

Let's assume that everything is true and that he was soliciting gay sex.

How does that make him hypocritical for voting for the Defense of Marriage act?

The Defense of Marriage Act purported to "defend" marriage from all those same-sex couples who wanted to get married. Craig voted for it, knowing at the time he himself was gay. So he screwed his gay colleagues in order to curry favor with the idiots who think same-sex couples will "ruin" marriage.

By the way, if a gay couple gets married, can one of you married right-wingers tell me how that affects your marriage? Will it make you want to cheat on your wife or hubby? Will it make you an abusive spouse? Will it drive you to drink?

And could you also help me understand how same sex married couples will hurt the institution of marriage any more than the married heterosexual wife beaters, adulterers, drunks, and assorted jerks have already done?

Thank you. I'll await your enlightened responses.

[eighballsidepocket]

Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?

Will this ever end? Seems like this current administration has cow-towed and fired/excepted resignations, of more administration "high profile" employees than ever in recent history.

Seems like the opposition is never satisfied. Another "target" pops up and they are on him/her like a pack of wolves. I'm beginning to think that used car salesmen are higher in stature and integrity, than most of our elected representatives.......and that's both Republicans, Democrats, and Independents, included. :(

All of this going on during a time that our country is engaged in a terrorist war in Iraq/afganistan, and it seems like "politics as usual" dominate our Congressional folks, over having some semblance of unity and support for the current adminstration, as was the norm during WW2.

I'm sure looking for that "Mr. John Doe" elected rep., that doesn't look at the polls, and just believes in ethics, personal integrity, honesty, at even the cost of alienating his/her's own party rank, and and risking being defeated in the next election. I'm tired of the "pot shotting" that goes on. Republicans have increasingly become cowardly, and opportunistic for their own personal gain, Democrats have made a habit of "feasting" on the desserts, of fallen comrades who are across the fence in the other party. It's just a crying shame. Where's the conscience of either party? Where's the integrity, and ethics of each party.

I guess, we the American people are to blame. We do vote for the best haircut, best Camelot look, the smoothest speaking ability, and overlook, content. We've turned elections into popularity contests basing our voting on shallow vanity, and ignoramous reasoning in many cases.

I still remember back when Goldwater and LBJ vied for the presidency. LBJ ran on the saying, "In Your Heart, you knoew he's right.". Goldwater was tainted by the oppostion as a war monger who would get us into WW3 and nuclear annihilation. What great substance to base our pick of a candidate. They campaign with slogans and sayings to us citizens as though we are "morons", and maybe we deserve the Kindergarten level slogans, as substance of an individual doesn't seem to sway voters in that direction.

Maybe our country just has to wallow in a big old mess of poor choices for candidates until we have suffered long enough, and start looking at these candidates more closely.

Words, don't mean a thing to me from any party candidate. I want to see how they live-out their lives both on a personal level as family persons, and how they conducted themselves in working-business world. Were they ethical? Were they opportunists? Did they have any empathetic compassion and forgiveness on any level in their dealings in the private sector?

I don't want talking-heads, I want genuine candidates that aren't saying one thing with their mouth, and blowing smoke out of the other orifice. Sorry for the metaphor as a Christian man, but I am willing to ride out a rough time with my country, if it will bring us citizens collectively back to our senses about what makes a good, solid leader, and what makes a bad, vain, politician. :salute:

I still remember in the bible, how the Israel, went through so many ups and downs. when they lost their collective moorings of ethics, and integrity, and left their first love of the God Who had brought them out of Egypt, through the Wilderness and into the land of "Plenty" or across the Jordan into Canaan.

We aren't much different as Israel. We suffer the 1929 crash and folks are selling apples on street corners for a nickel a piece who were once wealthy stock brokers. Israel, and to be humbled many times, and then they would finally realize that they had strayed from their first "love", namely the One who had rescued and led them out of bondage. Then good old fallen human nature would gradually drift them away from that First Love and Rescuer, and back into "self centered" man made ways to cope and survive, and attain control over the environment, and relations with other nations.

The Phillistines would take land from Israel, and all the Israelites would do was fuss and cry and wonder why God had let this happen. All along their Creator/Rescuer would wait for His people to shake the cataracts off their inner eyes of understanding and run towards integrity, wisdom, and Godly help.

I'm willing to wait. I think this wonderful nation of ours (USA) is so blessed by our Creator, and I think He is waiting for us Americans to collectively realize how far we've drifted from recognizing, and venerating His omnipotence, to raise and lower nations at His will. The Soviet Union lasted about 70 years. In my Christian/biblical take, God allowed it to rise, but it didn't collectively glorify Him and embraced atheism through Marxist/Lenninist philosophy/government, and it was allowed to go down the toilet as a result. Rome, likewise had it's chance, but vanished into many different fractured European countries.
******
When our men and women are safely home, then move in like vultures and feed on the carion of the GWB legacy and administration, if they desire-so, but why can't we please, please, please, just let this administration get the job done without so much bickering that seems to dishearten even the ones putting their collecting lives on the line for us over seas. :)

Even FDR's running of WW2 wasn't a picture of perfection, but the two parties basically took off the boxing gloves and supported the administration. What a difference it made, as it unified the citizenry, and we got the job done, and the G.I.'s home.

[avatar4321]

The Defense of Marriage Act purported to "defend" marriage from all those same-sex couples who wanted to get married. Craig voted for it, knowing at the time he himself was gay. So he screwed his gay colleagues in order to curry favor with the idiots who think same-sex couples will "ruin" marriage.

By the way, if a gay couple gets married, can one of you married right-wingers tell me how that affects your marriage? Will it make you want to cheat on your wife or hubby? Will it make you an abusive spouse? Will it drive you to drink?

And could you also help me understand how same sex married couples will hurt the institution of marriage any more than the married heterosexual wife beaters, adulterers, drunks, and assorted jerks have already done?

Thank you. I'll await your enlightened responses.

The problem with your answers is you havent demonstrated how he acted hypocritically. Assuming his gay, that doesnt mean he doesnt believe marriage should be limited to a man and a woman. Your logic just doesnt follow. You are assuming that anyone who is gay has to be for gay marriage and thats simply not true. I know of countless gays who are against it.

So where is he hypcritical? You cant answer that so you are trying to change the subject to one thats been articulated dozens of times already on this board.

[GW in Ohio]

The problem with your answers is you havent demonstrated how he acted hypocritically. Assuming his gay, that doesnt mean he doesnt believe marriage should be limited to a man and a woman. Your logic just doesnt follow. You are assuming that anyone who is gay has to be for gay marriage and thats simply not true. I know of countless gays who are against it.

So where is he hypcritical? You cant answer that so you are trying to change the subject to one thats been articulated dozens of times already on this board.

Craig is hypocritical because he mouthed the GOP line about family values and portrayed himself to the voters as one of those Republicans who were cut from finer cloth than the immoral Democrats. He condemned Bill Clinton as a "very bad boy," but I don't think Clinton ever trolled for sex in an airport men's room.

[stephanie]

Craig is hypocritical because he mouthed the GOP line about family values and portrayed himself to the voters as one of those Republicans who were cut from finer cloth than the immoral Democrats. He condemned Bill Clinton as a "very bad boy," but I don't think Clinton ever trolled for sex in an airport men's room.

yawn....:rolleyes:

[avatar4321]

Craig is hypocritical because he mouthed the GOP line about family values and portrayed himself to the voters as one of those Republicans who were cut from finer cloth than the immoral Democrats. He condemned Bill Clinton as a "very bad boy," but I don't think Clinton ever trolled for sex in an airport men's room.

No he just raped, sexually harassed, and intimdated women. Heck he is still intimidating those he molested. Today there are reports that his goons broke into Kathleen Willey's house and stole the manuscript of her book thats going to tell her side of what the Clintons did to her.

Compared to Bill Clinton, Senator Craig is an angel.

But Ive noticed again you still cant support your position that anyone who is gay has to support gay mariage.

[JohnDoe]

The problem with your answers is you havent demonstrated how he acted hypocritically. Assuming his gay, that doesnt mean he doesnt believe marriage should be limited to a man and a woman. Your logic just doesnt follow. You are assuming that anyone who is gay has to be for gay marriage and thats simply not true. I know of countless gays who are against it.

So where is he hypcritical? You cant answer that so you are trying to change the subject to one thats been articulated dozens of times already on this board.

Avatar,

I believe the hypocrisy lies with him supporting the sanctity of marriage while spitting on his own marriage by committing adultery, with strange men, in public bathrooms.

If it were strange women in public bathrooms, it would be equally as adulterous and equaly as bad imo.

And i believe the hypocrisy also lies with him, not being open to these sanctity of marriage supporting constituants with his own sexual preference.

Do you think that the people that supported his vote on the sanctity of marriage, who came out to vote for Craig, would have done so, if they knew he was gay, or if they knew he was cruising for sex from either gender, in public bathrooms, while being in one of those marriages that was suppose to be sanctified by God?

To sum it up, the hypocrisy lies in how he presented himself, in order to win the conservative constituant's vote, don't you think?

jd

[eighballsidepocket]

Being a hypocrite is wrong. Craig

Living an unethical, life, and flaunting it, may not be hypocritical, but it is still wrong. Clinton

See, this is the old, "My guy isn't as much a sinner as your guy, cause my guy didn't know better when he commited adultery, as your guy, who kept his sin a secret, but inevitably his hypocricy of heart was revealed in his bathroom booboo.".

Sin is sin my friends. Adultery, homosexuality, lieing, murder, stealing..........It crosses all party lines.

Why don't we just quit defending those that happen to espouse what we philosophically believe in?

They all fullfill, Romans 3:23...."For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.".

I'm a conservative, and probably vote 99% Republican, but Craig, Clinton, or whoever when they do the unethical, I become "party blind", and see them as wrong, bad influences, bad role models, and they should all step down.

Why don't they step down? Cause most are living in denial with seared consciences, and just lust for power and influence, rather than take their offices with humility, humbleness, and grave seriousness as representatives of and for the people that elected them. They are disingenuous.

So, as mentioned before, I'm looking for that John doe, who will come to Washington and turn it upside down. No more Beltway politics. Call it a "pipe dream" but we need some Jeffersons, B. Franklins, Patrick Henry's, G. Washingtons, who humbly take on the responsibilities, not looking to further their personal gain, in anyway, but to be "servants" for the people, as they are entrusted with so much.:salute:

[JohnDoe]

Being a hypocrite is wrong. Craig

Living an unethical, life, and flaunting it, may not be hypocritical, but it is still wrong. Clinton

See, this is the old, "My guy isn't as much a sinner as your guy, cause my guy didn't know better when he commited adultery, as your guy, who kept his sin a secret, but inevitably his hypocricy of heart was revealed in his bathroom booboo.".

Sin is sin my friends. Adultery, homosexuality, lieing, murder, stealing..........It crosses all party lines.

Why don't we just quit defending those that happen to espouse what we philosophically believe in?

They all fullfill, Romans 3:23...."For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.".

I'm a conservative, and probably vote 99% Republican, but Craig, Clinton, or whoever when they do the unethical, I become "party blind", and see them as wrong, bad influences, bad role models, and they should all step down.

Why don't they step down? Cause most are living in denial with seared consciences, and just lust for power and influence, rather than take their offices with humility, humbleness, and grave seriousness as representatives of and for the people that elected them. They are disingenuous.

So, as mentioned before, I'm looking for that John doe, who will come to Washington and turn it upside down. No more Beltway politics. Call it a "pipe dream" but we need some Jeffersons, B. Franklins, Patrick Henry's, G. Washingtons, who humbly take on the responsibilities, not looking to further their personal gain, in anyway, but to be "servants" for the people, as they are entrusted with so much.:salute:

I do agree that both behaviors were wrong.

But I guess I disagree that hypocrisy of such is not an added offense.

For example, people knew about Bill's filanderings before they voted for him....the rumors were abound!!! That DID NOT stop them for voting for him and they did not care about his filanderings....why? is beyond me, but they didn't and he got elected twice, well aware that he was known to be a filanderer.

And Bill did not go to the citizens of the Usa and tell them to please vote for him because he was a good, moral man... or did not say, Vote for me if you want to change the immorality of Washington....He did not run for office on his "morals".

While the complete opposite was the case with Craig and Foley and Cunningham and Ney and Vitter....

The reason Hypocrisy is an added offense is because it adds deceit to the immorality. People were purposefully USED for their beliefs in morality by these hypocrites.

And boy oh boy did Jesus hate the hypocrites...he was constantly calling them out on their hypocrisy...there's a lesson in this for us....

So, I guess I agree with you to a certain extent...especially about needing something new and fresh in Washington...but I have my doubts that such is available to us...I know that sounds pessimistic, but that's what I forsee.

jd

And on a last note...Clinton should NOT even be in this discussion. It was over 10 years ago....and we are talking about the here and now imo.

[stephanie]

Being a hypocrite is wrong. Craig

Living an unethical, life, and flaunting it, may not be hypocritical, but it is still wrong. Clinton

See, this is the old, "My guy isn't as much a sinner as your guy, cause my guy didn't know better when he commited adultery, as your guy, who kept his sin a secret, but inevitably his hypocricy of heart was revealed in his bathroom booboo.".

Sin is sin my friends. Adultery, homosexuality, lieing, murder, stealing..........It crosses all party lines.

Why don't we just quit defending those that happen to espouse what we philosophically believe in?

They all fullfill, Romans 3:23...."For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.".

I'm a conservative, and probably vote 99% Republican, but Craig, Clinton, or whoever when they do the unethical, I become "party blind", and see them as wrong, bad influences, bad role models, and they should all step down.

Why don't they step down? Cause most are living in denial with seared consciences, and just lust for power and influence, rather than take their offices with humility, humbleness, and grave seriousness as representatives of and for the people that elected them. They are disingenuous.

So, as mentioned before, I'm looking for that John doe, who will come to Washington and turn it upside down. No more Beltway politics. Call it a "pipe dream" but we need some Jeffersons, B. Franklins, Patrick Henry's, G. Washingtons, who humbly take on the responsibilities, not looking to further their personal gain, in anyway, but to be "servants" for the people, as they are entrusted with so much.:salute:

I'm not defending Craig, Foley, Stubbs, Franks, Clinton or any of them...
What I am pointing out is these people who are talking about the hypocrisy of the Republicans who spout family values, then screw themselves up with homosexual sex or being on a madams list.....

What I find more hypocrital, is that the Democrats feel they don't have to ask their people to resign, because they never ran on a platform of family values, so it's OK for their party to go out and screw, suck, cheat and steal all they want, and if they get caught, they don't have to resign...

:cheers2:

[glockmail]

.....And on a last note...Clinton should NOT even be in this discussion. It was over 10 years ago....and we are talking about the here and now imo. Ahh, Bill is likely to be going back in January 2009 as Mr. Hillary Clinton. His escapades are very pertinent to the discussion.

[bullypulpit]

Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?

If you actually review the news reports since Craig's little faux pas, you'll find that the pressure for him to step down has come, almost exclusively, from congressional Republicans. Immediately following on the heels of Craig's press conference, Mitt Romney threw him under the bus then back up and drove over him again.

Now, as far as the charges you've leveled against the Democrats, can you provide links to reputable sources to support those allegations?

Dismissed.

[Gunny]

Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?

You have to understand ... an accused Democrat is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and should be allowed to retain their seat and committee chair until the verdict is in.

Oh, and being a homosexual Democrat is not a bad thing. Only being an alleged homosexual Republican is.

[bullypulpit]

You have to understand ... an accused Democrat is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and should be allowed to retain their seat and committee chair until the verdict is in.

Oh, and being a homosexual Democrat is not a bad thing. Only being an alleged homosexual Republican is.

In case you missed it, Craig pleaded "Guilty" in Minneapolis. Also, in case you missed it, it's been REPUBLICANS calling for him to step down. It was REPUBLICANS who stripped him of his party leadership positions on Senate committees.

As for being a homosexual, there's nothing wrong with it at all. But given the homophobia that is rampant in the GOP, especially its religious right wing-nut base, any gay, Republican elected official has to be in the closet.

[bullypulpit]

No he just raped, sexually harassed, and intimdated women. Heck he is still intimidating those he molested. Today there are reports that his goons broke into Kathleen Willey's house and stole the manuscript of her book thats going to tell her side of what the Clintons did to her.

Compared to Bill Clinton, Senator Craig is an angel.

But Ive noticed again you still cant support your position that anyone who is gay has to support gay mariage.

Can you prove your assertions? You know a :link:? Didn't think so.

[JohnDoe]

In case you missed it, Craig pleaded "Guilty" in Minneapolis. Also, in case you missed it, it's been REPUBLICANS calling for him to step down. It was REPUBLICANS who stripped him of his party leadership positions on Senate committees.

As for being a homosexual, there's nothing wrong with it at all. But given the homophobia that is rampant in the GOP, especially its religious right wing-nut base, any gay, Republican elected official has to be in the closet.

oh nonsense!

you know republicans never do wrong, therefore never make a mistake, the Democrats are ALWAYS the ones that are to blame for any republican misgivings!!!!

come on, get with it! ;)

[Yurt]

I am saying that democrats don't get as wound up about gays as republicans do. For the most part, we don't see homosexuality as some sort of mental disease or abomination like republicans do. If somebody is gay and wants to serve his or her government in an elected capacity, I am totally fine with that. I am way more interested in someone's stance on the issues that REALLY impact America. I really have no interest in their sexual preferences.

What IS upsetting to me is the hypocrisy of senator Craig making a career out of acting like this Christian anti-gay avenger successfully pandering for religious right votes in ruby-red Idaho while simultaneously trolling for man on man buttsex in Minnesota airport restrooms.

:clap: Democrats for ASS sex :clap:


Yes, that impacts America :poke:

[actsnoblemartin]

No because its easy for them to call out the other side, which they do for political gain, but doing the right thing?.

Not so easy, Democrats dont stand for family values, or any real values, they stand for whatever values are popular, and anyone who disagrees with them is a racist, biggot, homophobic, christian lol


Rep. Murtha
Senator Kennedy
Rep. Jefferson
Rep. Filner
Senator Reid
Rep. Pelosi.
Senator Clinton
Senator Kerry
etc.

This past week Democrats have called for and received the resignation from Senator Craig. And appropriately so. Will they now call for the resignation of the previously mentioned people and other Democrats who are guilty of far worse crimes than a misdemeanor?

Or is it okay to take bribes, make land deals, murder people, take kick backs, commit treasons?

[actsnoblemartin]

Democrats, something that kept society working and prospering for almost 5,000 years, ah so what. Lets try a vast social experiment gay marriage, and say two men or two women is just as good for a kid, as one mommy one daddy.

the democrats remind me of the borg from star trek next generation

You will be assimilated, resistence is futile.


:clap: Democrats for ASS sex :clap:


Yes, that impacts America :poke:

[retiredman]

No because its easy for them to call out the other side, which they do for political gain, but doing the right thing?.

Not so easy, Democrats dont stand for family values, or any real values, they stand for whatever values are popular, and anyone who disagrees with them is a racist, biggot, homophobic, christian lol

I need to tell you that there are a whole lot of democrats in America who would take issue with that insulting statement.

[darin]

I need to tell you that there are a whole lot of democrats in America who would take issue with that insulting statement.

You're right - it's not true of "Democrats" - it's very true of "Liberals" - regardless of party.

[retiredman]

You're right - it's not true of "Democrats" - it's very true of "Liberals" - regardless of party.

that is ignorant rhetoric. I know many liberals who have strong value systems that have remained constant and do not change depending on popularity.... myself included

[bullypulpit]

...Democrats dont stand for family values, or any real values, they stand for whatever values are popular, and anyone who disagrees with them is a racist, biggot, homophobic, christian lol

That's bullshit...and you know it.

[glockmail]

that is ignorant rhetoric. I know many liberals who have strong value systems that have remained constant and do not change depending on popularity.... myself included Liberals have no value system. For them, it's what "feels good" at the time.
:pee:

[retiredman]

Liberals have no value system. For them, it's what "feels good" at the time.
:pee:

one more and it will be an ignorant rhetoric trifecta!

come one.... if anyone can do it, you can!

[glockmail]

Again insults and deflection. Big surprise.

[retiredman]

gosh...I just noticed the change to your avatar line...

apparently, I am getting under your skin. Must be time for another neg rep from the only guy to give me one since I got back!

another sir?:dance:

[glockmail]

gosh...I just noticed the change to your avatar line...

apparently, I am getting under your skin. Must be time for another neg rep from the only guy to give me one since I got back!

another sir?:dance:


What a whiner. You get neg reps for deflections, lying or being a douche-bag. And as I understand it I'm not your sole owner, nor do I claim to be.

[retiredman]

What a whiner. You get neg reps for deflections, lying or being a douche-bag. And as I understand it I'm not your sole owner, nor do I claim to be.

interesting.... you do seem to be the only one who attacks my reputation since my return, however.....

hmmmmmm

a bit obsessive, perhaps?

and you can "CLAIM" to own the goddamned queen of england.... your "claims" are another example of your obsession which is, no doubt, driven by your deep seated and well deserved feelings of inferiority.

but you do keep it up..... please.

those neg reps do so matter to me....they really do. :finger3:

[Sitarro]

interesting.... you do seem to be the only one who attacks my reputation since my return

How many recipes do you have for Navy beans..... cooky?

[glockmail]

interesting.... you do seem to be the only one who attacks my reputation since my return, however.....

hmmmmmm

a bit obsessive, perhaps?

and you can "CLAIM" to own the goddamned queen of england.... your "claims" are another example of your obsession which is, no doubt, driven by your deep seated and well deserved feelings of inferiority.

but you do keep it up..... please.

those neg reps do so matter to me....they really do. :finger3:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=121300&postcount=127

Unlike you, the defense of my honor means something.

[glockmail]

How many recipes do you have for Navy beans..... cooky? He also claims he wasn't a cook.

[darin]

interesting.... you do seem to be the only one who attacks my reputation since my return, however.....

hmmmmmm

a bit obsessive, perhaps?

and you can "CLAIM" to own the goddamned queen of england.... your "claims" are another example of your obsession which is, no doubt, driven by your deep seated and well deserved feelings of inferiority.

but you do keep it up..... please.

those neg reps do so matter to me....they really do. :finger3:

No - that's not true. I think your reputation around here is crappy because you are typically a dick to folks you "debate" against. YOU make your rep here...for better or worse.

[retiredman]

No - that's not true. I think your reputation around here is crappy because you are typically a dick to folks you "debate" against. YOU make your rep here...for better or worse.


thanks for the peptalk dad. I WILL try to do better. I promise.