Dayton Killer's Sister Identified As His Brother

[Kathianne]

but her/his friends didn't think the brother knew...

Wow, that had to be a very interesting home...

https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/suspected-dayton-shooter-connor-betts-slain-sister-was-reportedly-a-transgender-man/


Dayton shooter Connor Betts’ slain sister was a transgender man: report
By Natalie O'Neill August 9, 2019 | 2:49pm | Updated


The “sister” of the Dayton, Ohio, shooter who was killed during the attack identified as a transgender guy — although his family had no idea, according to a report and some of his own social media posts.


Connor Betts’ 22-year-old sibling was named by authorities as Megan Betts in the days after the mass shooting, with cops releasing a statement saying relatives had lost “a daughter.”


But he apparently went by the name Jordan Cofer, and identified as a male, although he was only “out” to a small circle of friends, according to Splinter News, which spoke to several of those pals anonymously.


“Jordan was my closest friend,” one pal told the outlet. “He identified with he/him pronouns to people he trusted and knew would support him. Jordan was probably one of the sweetest people you would ever meet, a true saint, but he was also very scared constantly. He tried to give the best to everyone.”


One of his friends also confirmed to The Post: “I did know that he was indeed a trans man.”


On Sunday, the 24-year-old killer drove to a popular strip of bars and restaurants with Jordan — then made him one of the nine victims killed in the slaughter, officials said. Investigators have not yet identified his motive or whether his sibling was an intended target.


But his gender likely didn’t play a role in his death because Betts had no clue about his brother’s trans status, a friend told Splinter News.


“Jordan told me in the past that he was not out to his family, but that could have changed in the past month as we barely spoke of the topic recently,” said the friend. “I do not believe that his gender identity had played a part in his death because of the fact that he wasn’t out to many people.”

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[Gunny]

Can't imagine why there might be a "problem" in this family :rolleyes:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Can't imagine why there might be a "problem" in this family :rolleyes:
Serious question, bro... "would you consider this family a suitable example of what should trigger a "red flag law?"

In other words, should homos and gender confused people be considered mentally unstable, and thus not permitted to posses a firearm?

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@Gunny (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=30)

[Gunny]

Serious question, bro... "would you consider this family a suitable example of what should trigger a "red flag law?"

In other words, should homos and gender confused people be considered mentally unstable, and thus not permitted to posses a firearm?

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@Gunny (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=30)I don't know enough about the family. I'm not sure being brainwashed into thinking it's okay to "identify with" being a whatever alone is grounds enough to consider a "red flag", I'm not keen on "red flag" laws to begin with. Sounds a LOT like McCarthy-ism.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it wasn't the shooter who was a he that society has allowed to claim being a she that did the shooting. The "confused" person was a target. Do I think it's okay for someone to shoot someone for being too stupid to identify what's between their legs? No. Otherwise I'm behind on a LOT of work :)

Should red flags be investigated? Yes. Irresponsible not to.

The problem I see here is the people doing all the screaming for more laws are as stupid and confused as the he/she. There's not logic, fact and/or common sense used in the argument. Everything coming out of everyone's mouths is a bunch of emotional, political garbage.

Police shot the guy dead. Situation handled. Will any law prevent idiots from acting out in a society that promotes acting out? No.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I don't know enough about the family. I'm not sure being brainwashed into thinking it's okay to "identify with" being a whatever alone is grounds enough to consider a "red flag", I'm not keen on "red flag" laws to begin with. Sounds a LOT like McCarthy-ism.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it wasn't the shooter who was a he that society has allowed to claim being a she that did the shooting. The "confused" person was a target. Do I think it's okay for someone to shoot someone for being too stupid to identify what's between their legs? No. Otherwise I'm behind on a LOT of work :)

Should red flags be investigated? Yes. Irresponsible not to.

The problem I see here is the people doing all the screaming for more laws are as stupid and confused as the he/she. There's not logic, fact and/or common sense used in the argument. Everything coming out of everyone's mouths is a bunch of emotional, political garbage.

Police shot the guy dead. Situation handled. Will any law prevent idiots from acting out in a society that promotes acting out? No.
I can agree with pretty much all of what you said. I do think people that are OPENLY stating they have a RAPE list, or KILL list, they need to be investigated IMMEDIATELY. I don't know if a LAW stating they should be or not is needed, I mean hell, they should be PERIOD, regardless whether or not there's a law saying they should be. It's just COMMON SENSE.

Isn't it illegal to THREATEN to KILL someone already?

I think so.

[Gunny]

I can agree with pretty much all of what you said. I do think people that are OPENLY stating they have a RAPE list, or KILL list, they need to be investigated IMMEDIATELY. I don't know if a LAW stating they should be or not is needed, I mean hell, they should be PERIOD, regardless whether or not there's a law saying they should be. It's just COMMON SENSE.

Isn't it illegal to THREATEN to KILL someone ILLEGAL already?

I think so.
Common sense is not "common" anymore. Your politicians tell you what to think via the MSM.

I completely agree that if someone has a rape list and a kill list, there's a problem. There's no simple solution. You have to factor in age/maturity level, how much the person acts out, access to weapons, who knew any or all of the preceding ...

An investigation of a minor is simple enough. Go to their school. Stop punishing teachers for calling spades spades. If the guy's a fruit loop, it shouldn't carry a social stigma with it to say so. And the people who are currently crying for more laws are the very people that make it impossible to identify and label possible threats for fear of hurting someone's psyche. The price for sparing someone's ego? How many dead are there?

As I previously stated, criminals commit crimes. That's why the are called criminals. The only thing further restricting law-abiding citizens does is make the criminal's job easier. You aren't disarming HIM.

But never mind the obvious.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Common sense is not "common" anymore.

Holy shit did you say a mouthful there!!!


Your politicians tell you what to think via the MSM.
MSM = Democrat Propaganda Wing. There is NOTHING, "main stream," about it. It's as radical left as radical left can get. They're the democrat party's mouth piece, pure and simple, and no, they don't give a rats ass what they say. It's as full blown crazed, unhinged, wild, retarded shit they can spew, but, that's EXACTLY what their radical leftist audience wants to hear.

[Gunny]

Holy shit did you say a mouthful there!!!


MSM = Democrat Propaganda Wing. There is NOTHING, "main stream," about it. It's as radical left as radical left can get. They're the democrat party's mouth piece, pure and simple, and no, they don't give a rats ass what they say. It's as full blown crazed, unhinged, wild, retarded shit they can spew, but, that's EXACTLY what their radical leftist audience wants to hear.You keep say that nothing main stream about the media but I beg to differ. The whole freaking problem is that what you call the Democratic Propaganda Wing IS main stream, by definition. It IS the main stream news that is pumped into everyone's head no matter which way they turn it.

It's how we learn anything. Keep saying it over and over until it becomes true. That's why I question everything, regardless the source. Kathianne and I were having a discussion about the same thing, different title in another thread where school kids are concerned. The propaganda is everywhere and in everything. I came to the conclusion when my daughter hit Jr high there was just no way teaching them what is right at home can overcome the sheer volume of propaganda pumped into their heads.

Doesn't mean don't try. It means it's an uphill battle.

I'd also like to know what the parents play in this was. I'm not going to afix blame when I don't know the circumstances but they would be the first people I looked at. That's an uphill battle too. Most parents and especially leftwing ones view their children through rose colored glasses. Some are too busy. I've been caught up in that one. But I assure you if my daughter started getting more screwy than your average teenage girl, I'd have opened my own damned investigation.

And in the end? None of the above is responsible, to include the shooter. After all, he was "ill":rolleyes: It's the gun's fault means no one has to actually point a finger at someone and say "you're a f-ing nutcase and I'm not selling you so much as a water gun".

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You keep say that nothing main stream about the media but I beg to differ. The whole freaking problem is that what you call the Democratic Propaganda Wing IS main stream, by definition. It IS the main stream news that is pumped into everyone's head no matter which way they turn it.

It's how we learn anything. Keep saying it over and over until it becomes true. That's why I question everything, regardless the source. Kathianne and I were having a discussion about the same thing, different title in another thread where school kids are concerned. The propaganda is everywhere and in everything. I came to the conclusion when my daughter hit Jr high there was just no way teaching them what is right at home can overcome the sheer volume of propaganda pumped into their heads.

Doesn't mean don't try. It means it's an uphill battle.

I'd also like to know what the parents play in this was. I'm not going to afix blame when I don't know the circumstances but they would be the first people I looked at. That's an uphill battle too. Most parents and especially leftwing ones view their children through rose colored glasses. Some are too busy. I've been caught up in that one. But I assure you if my daughter started getting more screwy than your average teenage girl, I'd have opened my own damned investigation.

And in the end? None of the above is responsible, to include the shooter. After all, he was "ill":rolleyes: It's the gun's fault means no one has to actually point a finger at someone and say "you're a f-ing nutcase and I'm not selling you so much as a water gun".
Well we can agree to disagree, even if it's just on semantics. I agree with Rush Limbaugh, that there are actually more conservatives yet in America than leftists. So even though this media is the main outlet for democrats, which can be referred to "main stream," because it's THEIR "main stream" and on nationally syndicated television, it's still nothing more than the democrats media outlet. That's what I'm sayin'. They speak to THEIR audience, ONLY, and I don't think they're "main stream." They're radical leftists.

[Gunny]

Well we can agree to disagree, even if it's just on semantics. I agree with Rush Limbaugh, that there are actually more conservatives yet in America than leftists. So even though this media is the main outlet for democrats, which can be referred to "main stream," because it's THEIR "main stream" and on nationally syndicated television, it's still nothing more than the democrats media outlet. That's what I'm sayin'. They speak to THEIR audience, ONLY, and I don't think they're "main stream." They're radical leftists.

You're saying because conservatives are arguably the majority, that the MSM is not main stream; when, in fact, the majority of the MSM is not conservative. What the MSM puts out is what the majority calls "news" and it is mainstream. Minorities dictate what goes in this country, not the majority and what goes IS mainstream.

And of course it is semantics. So is every story you read regardless which side it comes from.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You're saying because conservatives are arguably the majority, that the MSM is not main stream; when, in fact, the majority of the MSM is not conservative. What the MSM puts out is what the majority calls "news" and it is mainstream. Minorities dictate what goes in this country, not the majority and what goes IS mainstream.

And of course it is semantics. So is every story you read regardless which side it comes from.
Actually I'm saying the opposite.

[Gunny]

Actually I'm saying the opposite.What you're saying is the media that IS mainstream American media is not mainstream. It is.

That you take issue with what the left reports is a different topic. I take issue with it too. That doesn't make it not what it is. That's the mainstream, middle America news. If you want to watch something different, you have to go outside what is mainstream to get it.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

What you're saying is the media that IS mainstream American media is not mainstream. It is.

That you take issue with what the left reports is a different topic. I take issue with it too. That doesn't make it not what it is. That's the mainstream, middle America news. If you want to watch something different, you have to go outside what is mainstream to get it.
Well, let me take another stab at it... I'm saying that what is referred to as the main stream media is not main stream BECAUSE, it's all one sided. It's the democrats media. It's intended exclusively for democrats. So in my opinion, that is not main stream, and taking into consideration that so much of it is over the top, wild, unhinged hypocrisy, hyperbole and lies, what could possibly be main stream about that? In my opinion, main stream media would be for EVERYONE, not just one party, especially pandering to it's radical sect.

That's about the best I can do explaining it, pard.

[Gunny]

Well, let me take another stab at it... I'm saying that what is referred to as the main stream media is not main stream BECAUSE, it's all one sided. It's the democrats media. It's intended exclusively for democrats. So in my opinion, that is not main stream, and taking into consideration that so much of it is over the top, wild, unhinged hypocrisy, hyperbole and lies, what could possibly be main stream about that? In my opinion, main stream media would be for EVERYONE, not just one party, especially pandering to it's radical sect.

That's about the best I can do explaining it, pard.The MSM's target audience is "mainstream America". That would be the people that believe the all the crap you just posted.

Do you think that's you? Me? Seems to me the misconception here is you think you are the "mainstream" but because you are not the target audience then the MSM is not. The MSM doesn't care if we breathe. Just like the left doesn't care where its votes come from.

The term is properly used in the context of the vast majority of media is leftwing and leftwingnuts are who they are appealing to. You don't get to make up your own definitions. By MY definition, I am a liberal. From back in the day before they dropped their balls and their minds. I have posted such with much lengthier explanations many, many times in the past and to this day you hardly ever seem me call these leftwingnut fascists "liberals" because they aren't.

Has that stopped even ONE of you from calling leftwingnuts liberals? No. I just had to get over it.

The MSM calls conservatives/rightwingers NAZIs and it is accepted as fact by the left. The MSM's target audience. Joe Average who opens a paper once a day or skims the news on the net or just catches the 5PM local news. It isn't true. In fact, the opposite is true. Have the facts of who the NAZIs were so much as phased any of the sheeple? No. How far does it go? If you have one of those stupid robot computers that talks to you (Siri or whatever) it will tell you the NAZIs were right wing and that is what that POS computer we get our kids so they can do their homework on is telling our kids. Reality and truth is just wiped because their PC, part of the MSM, tells them so.

Is it right? Not in my opinion. Which changes the reality of what is happening not one bit.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The MSM's target audience is "mainstream America".
No it's not... not even close. Their target audience is the democrats. ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, etc, their entire host line up and broadcast content is all leftist democrat crap, and much of it is unhinged radical CRAP and even lies, and no, that is NOT "main stream." That's DEMOCRAT propaganda. The "main stream" of America is patriotism, Mom's apple pie and honor the flag, not the radical anti American, open borders, socialist, violence inducing, deplorable Bible and gun clinging hating garbage the left spews from their broadcast venues.

If their "target audience" was "mainstream America," they wouldn't broadcast the leftist filth that they do, because I don't think they're so stupid to believe that they're going to change someone's mind with the vile, unhinged garbage they air. They air the garbage they do because they know it's what THEIR LISTENERS WANT TO HEAR. That is their TARGET AUDIENCE. If tomorrow MSNBC and the like all of a sudden did a full 180 and fired all their ass clown leftist anchors like Lemon boy and tingle up his leg Chrissy and the lot, and started airing full pro American, full support for our president, patriotic content, the democrat party would have a catastrophic meltdown. So you can't tell me that their target audience is mainstream America when CLEARLY it's NOT. Their target audience is the HARD LEFT. That's who THEY ARE, that's who they know they're speaking to.


That would be the people that believe the all the crap you just posted.
Well if you think what I posted is crap, then don't read it. I didn't ask you or anyone else to agree with me, and I made it clear I was just stating my OPINION.

For crying out loud, it ain't that big deal.