G7 interested. Russia does not.

[Balu]

G7 interested in having Russia back in it due to stiff competition with G20 Date of publication: 22 08 2019, 17:58
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https://en.news-front.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/merkelphoto.jpgThe Group of Seven, an informal bloc of countries with the world’s largest economies, wants to see Russia back in the organization due to the toughening geopolitical competition with the Group of Twenty, a forum of major advanced and emerging nations, a diplomatic source at a European countries’ mission in Brussels told on Thursday.
“Russia’s return to the G7 is a conscious need. In the recent years, we have been observing a number of global trends indicating a decline in the G7’s global influence and growing influence of the G20 format, which was originally meant as a platform for purely economic cooperation,” the diplomat said.
Thus, in his words, the G7 nations’ aggregate GDP has dropped from 50% to 30% of the global GDP in the past 30 years. Moreover, population of the G7 nations accounts for mere ten percent of the global population.Secondly, according to the diplomat, the Group of Seven, which has been referring to itself as an “alliance of democracies,” has been demonstrating violent disagreement between its member nations. And, last but not least, the G7 countries’ conflict with Russia has stiffened competition with the G20 format.
“In such environment, the G7 needs to find ways to strengthen its positions and normalize relations with Russia at the same time. So, it looks quite a wise proposal to move towards the resumption of the G8 format,” the diplomat noted.
US President Donald Trump told reporters on Tuesday that “it’s much more appropriate to have Russia in” [the G8]. According to a senior US administration official cited by CNN, Trump and his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron held a telephone conversation on Tuesday and agreed that the Russian president should be invited to a G7 summit in 2020. According to CNN, Trump plans to broach the topic at a G7 summit scheduled to take place in Biarritz, France, on August 24-26.

https://en.news-front.info/2019/08/22/g7-interested-in-having-russia-back-in-it-due-to-stiff-competition-with-g20/
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Russia not desperate for G8, thinks G20 format is more efficient — Kremlin spokesmanThe Kremlin spokesperson pointed out that discussing global problems in geopolitics, security or economy without China and India is "not very efficient"




https://phototass3.cdnvideo.ru/width/1020_b9261fa1/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20190822/1229419.jpgRussian president’s Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov
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MOSCOW, August 22. /TASS/. Russia is not desperate to be back in the Group of Eight, the more so because many problems can be resolved more efficiently within the Group of Twenty format, Russian president’s Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday.

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G7 wants Russia back in the club due to stiff competition with G20, says source

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"Return to the G7, the former G8, is not a goal in itself for Russia," he stressed. "In any case, Russia thinks that now it is not very efficient to discuss global problems in geopolitics, security or economy without China and India."
"So, other formats, for instance, the Group of Twenty, look more advantageous," he noted, adding that Russian President Vladimir Putin had repeatedly said that Moscow was ready to cooperate with other states in any formats.
The Group of Seven (G7) is an informal bloc of countries with the world’s largest developed economies that brings together the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, Canada, the United States, France and Japan. In 1997, it was renamed the Group of Eight (G8) after Russia joined the club. In 2014, Western countries decided to return to the G7 format in the wake of the developments in Ukraine and the deterioration of relations with Russia.
US President Donald Trump told reporters on Tuesday that "it’s much more appropriate to have Russia in" [the G8]. According to a senior US administration official cited by CNN, Trump and his French counterpart, Emmanuel Macron, held a telephone conversation on Tuesday and agreed that the Russian president should be invited to a G7 summit in 2020. According to CNN, Trump plans to broach the topic at a G7 summit scheduled to take place in Biarritz, France, on August 24-26.

[Kathianne]

Trump is not the G7. He seems unable to understand the difference between 'besting Obama' and 'Russia invaded Crimea.'

[Balu]

Trump is not the G7. He seems unable to understand the difference between 'besting Obama' and 'Russia invaded Crimea.'

It's high time to refresh the memory...

Crimea referendum: Voters 'back Russia union'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26606097

No wonder that Crimeans DID NOT support anti-constitutional governmental Nazi coup financed and supported by US and EU. The result - NO ONE victim.
Do enjoy the difference...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4

[Kathianne]

Russia invaded and occupies the Crimea.

[Balu]

Russia invaded and occupies the Crimea.

This is bullshit. American propaganda. Any person knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to invade and occupied ANY territory with NO ONE casualty, if the population is against to Return the territory BACK to their Motherland.

[Kathianne]

This is bullshit. American propaganda. Any person knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to invade and occupied ANY territory with NO ONE casualty, if the population is against to Return the territory BACK to their Motherland.


Russia invaded and occupies the Crimea, they have tried multiple times the same with Ukraine.

[Balu]

Russia invaded and occupies the Crimea, they have tried multiple times the same with Ukraine.
The bullshit!
The only thing Russia did - secured the referendum.
Below you can see the results.

Official results


Choice
Votes
Percentage of all ballots cast


Join the Russian Federation
1,233,002
96.77%


Restore the 1992 constitution and remain as a part of Ukraine
31,997
2.51%


Subtotal of valid votes
1,264,999
99.29%


Invalid or blank votes
9,097
0.72%





For your information - Referendum is the highest form of Democracy.

[Kathianne]

The bullshit!
The only thing Russia did - secured the referendum.
Below you can see the results.

Official results


Choice
Votes
Percentage of all ballots cast


Join the Russian Federation
1,233,002
96.77%


Restore the 1992 constitution and remain as a part of Ukraine
31,997
2.51%


Subtotal of valid votes
1,264,999
99.29%


Invalid or blank votes
9,097
0.72%





For your information - Referendum is the highest form of Democracy.

Russia invaded and occupies the Crimea. It has repeatedly, up until today, attempted to invade, occupy, and control the Ukraine.

[Balu]

Russia invaded and occupies the Crimea. It has repeatedly, up until today, attempted to invade, occupy, and control the Ukraine.
Unfortunately I have to terminate this conversation. It is useless to discuss anything with blind an deaf person who, besides, do not want to switch on formal logic.

[Kathianne]

:beer:

[Gunny]

:beer:How little effort is required to aggravate and nail a commie's ass to the wall. Definitely the high point to my entertainmaent this today:lmao:

Otherwise, and not unlike trying to debate with Balu, I am trying to potty train a heretofore untrainable toddler :(

[Kathianne]

How little effort is required to aggravate and nail a commie's ass to the wall. Definitely the high point to my entertainmaent this today:lmao:

Otherwise, and not unlike trying to debate with Balu, I am trying to potty train a heretofore untrainable toddler :(

Didn't have even one link! :laugh2:

[Drummond]

Unfortunately I have to terminate this conversation. It is useless to discuss anything with blind an deaf person who, besides, do not want to switch on formal logic.

Your 'conversation', Balu, is an absurd one.

You have your argument to advance, one based on a fundamental falsehood. If that's pointed out to you - and WITH any links proving the point - you'll dismiss it as being anti-Russian propaganda. In short .. the only outcome you'd accept is one that swallows official Russian propaganda. That it'd be false, doesn't matter to you .. you wouldn't concede you're wrong.

Shall we test that out, Balu ?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/178565


Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula held a referendum vote on Sunday, in which 93% of residents reportedly voted to become annexed by Russia. The vote affirmed an earlier Crimean parliamentary vote.

Two options were presented in the referendum, the first being annexation of the peninsula by the Russian federation, and the second a return to the nearly autonomous position that was held in 1992, with the possibility of a later Russian annexation.

There are questions of coercion in the vote, as Russia effectively militarily occupied Crimea on March 1, with troops taking over the Belbek Airbase. Russia has been consolidating its military hold over the peninsula since, ignoring American condemnation.

US Secretary of State John Kerry spoke with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov on Sunday, warning him that the referendum was not held according to the law, and that America will not recognize the results.

The White House announced in a statement that the referendum was "administered under threats of violence and intimidation from a Russian military intervention that violates international law," reports CNN.

"The days are gone when the world didn't confront the attempts of one country to take over another," added the White House statement.

Heads of the European Union similarly added their "strong condemnation," calling the referendum "not legitimate" and illegal. They further called on Russia to withdraw its troops from the area.

Your country violated international law, Balu, by injecting intimidation into the process. Russia wanted Crimea, and it wasn't fussed about how it got it. Indeed ... even the options being voted for, in that 'referendum', did not prohibit any annexation -- that choice wasn't offered !! All that was being 'voted on', was WHEN it would happen.

https://112.international/finance/ukrainian-parliament-pronounces-russian-presidential-election-in-crimea-unlawful-26854.html


Ukrainian Parliament pronounces Russian presidential election in Crimea unlawful.

The statement issued by the Parliament claims that counting the votes of the inhabitants of the annexed Crimea skews the results of the voting and raises questions about its legitimacy.

The Parliament of Ukraine claims that the holding of the Russian presidential election by the Russian administration in the temporarily occupied Crimea was unlawful. This cannot be used as grounds for changing the status of Crimea to any other than that described in the Ukrainian constitution.

“Significant violations of citizens’ electoral rights during the electoral campaign in Russia, the creation of uneven conditions for all candidates and the absence of a genuine choice, mentioned in the preliminary report by the Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights of the OSCE, as well as the illegal counting of over 1 million votes from the temporarily occupied Crimea and Sevastopol considerably twist the outcome of the voting at the Russian election”, - the statement reads.

Now, Balu .. tell me that all this is propaganda, that none of this has merit.

You know that you will.

[Kathianne]

Your 'conversation', Balu, is an absurd one.

You have your argument to advance, one based on a fundamental falsehood. If that's pointed out to you - and WITH any links proving the point - you'll dismiss it as being anti-Russian propaganda. In short .. the only outcome you'd accept is one that swallows official Russian propaganda. That it'd be false, doesn't matter to you .. you wouldn't concede you're wrong.

Shall we test that out, Balu ?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/178565



Your country violated international law, Balu, by injecting intimidation into the process. Russia wanted Crimea, and it wasn't fussed about how it got it. Indeed ... even the options being voted for, in that 'referendum', did not prohibit any annexation -- that choice wasn't offered !! All that was being 'voted on', was WHEN it would happen.

https://112.international/finance/ukrainian-parliament-pronounces-russian-presidential-election-in-crimea-unlawful-26854.html



Now, Balu .. tell me that all this is propaganda, that none of this has merit.

You know that you will.


Which is why I no longer try to link, I'll just repeat THE TRUTH to his LIES. LOL!

I will not read through his major cut & paste, which he doesn't even bother to space into paragraphs for reading.

He's just a megaphone, we do not have to listen.

[jimnyc]

This is bullshit. American propaganda. Any person knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to invade and occupied ANY territory with NO ONE casualty, if the population is against to Return the territory BACK to their Motherland.

You think Putin is a God. You talked smack because Boris put his foot on a table. But you don't come here and post the ATROCITIES committed in Russia - all commanded by your fearless leader. His commie ways are turning Russia back in time, and why they are now a complete joke. We Americans used to see Russia as a strong superpower to equate with our own country. Now - Russia is looked at more like, well a POS communist land lead by a dictator. Act like there are freedoms, but then go ahead and piss of little boy putin. He takes out his little dolls and plays war games - and his war games are having people killed, jailed & maybe just disappear. He is magically the leader for HOW MANY YEARS now? And at like 99-100% votes for him. Only idiots would see that as valid. But you commies like your dictators.

Be a journalist in Russia and then try reporting on corruption. Sure! We know how that story ends. Here's what happens when you investigate them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

How are the rights of gays/homosexuals and such coming along in Russia? Was it Putin that finally put an end to government discrimination with the lame gay propaganda law?

Other political groups he doesn't like get shut down, other politicians running against him, are putting their lives on the line, as if someone has a chance, they die or disappear.

Your shitty leader should have been gone a few times.

And Balu - Russian propaganda is lost here. I've told you this many times. Other than some beautiful looking places, Russia sucks. Most of the people are probably just fine. But your government is laughed at mostly anymore. Putin is a joke. Your military scares absolutely no one.

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Why Putin’s sham election shows what he’s afraid of

Autocrats have a talent for producing impressive election results. In the last elections they ever ran in, Indonesian dictator Suharto achieved 75 percent of the vote; Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak had 89 percent; Romanian Communist leader Nicolae Ceausescu mastered an impressive 98 percent. My friend Boris Vishnevsky, a leading opposition legislator in St. Petersburg, likes to point out that Ceausescu still had a 99 percent approval rating in December 1989, just one week before his trial. As all these victors found out in the end, the results of manipulated “elections” in authoritarian systems are a poor indicator of the actual state of public opinion.

Sunday’s presidential “election” in Russia was marked by the customary vote-getting methods. Monitoring conducted by organizations such as Open Russia, Golos and the Anti-Corruption Foundation documented a plethora of violations, including ballot-stuffing, bloated voter rolls, “voting” by dead people, coercion by employers, expulsion of election observers and multiple vote-casting (“carousel voting”). That election rubber-stamped Vladimir Putin’s fourth (de facto fifth) term as president with nearly 77 percent of the (official) vote.

Ultimately, though, voting-day violations were largely irrelevant. This election was rigged long before the first vote was cast. The defining feature of Russia’s 2018 presidential vote was that it was an election without choice. Two major opposition figures who had planned to run against Putin were absent from the ballot on Sunday. Boris Nemtsov, former deputy prime minister and leader of the People’s Freedom Party, was shot and killed in February 2015 on a bridge in front of the Kremlin. Alexei Navalny, a prominent anti-corruption campaigner, was barred from running, thanks to a trumped-up Russian court sentence that was assessed by the European Court of Human Rights as “arbitrary.” It isn’t difficult to win when your opponents are not on the ballot.

“Choice without real competition, as we have seen here, is not real choice,” Michael Georg Link, head of the election observer mission from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, said on Monday as he presented the group’s conclusions in Moscow. “Where the legal framework restricts many fundamental freedoms and the outcome is not in doubt, elections almost lose their purpose – empowering people to choose their leaders.” The statement of preliminary findings by the mission, whose aim was to assess Russia’s compliance with its international obligations on election standards, concluded that “restrictions on the fundamental freedoms of assembly, association and expression, as well as on candidate registration, have… resulted in a lack of genuine competition.”

Considering the circumstances, the list of foreign leaders who were the first to call Putin with congratulations was appropriate: Bashar al-Assad, Nicolás Maduro, Xi Jinping, Raúl Castro, Nursultan Nazarbayev and Alexander Lukashenko. They know a thing or two about organizing elections.

Rest - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/03/20/why-putins-sham-election-shows-what-hes-afraid-of/?utm_term=.6f1dae17a20a

[Gunny]

Y'know, minus the education in Russian propaganda that usually goes with comrade broken record, it IS bad manners to put your foot on the table :laugh:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

More than likely, Balu works for Putin.

[Gunny]

More than likely, Balu works for Putin.Balu is just as brainwashed as he accuses others of being. He's a walking poster boy for the Kremlin.

I find his self-evident attitude kind of humourous. Anyone that will call bullshit on his crap is on ignore. Hey, if you can't handle the heat ... :)

[Drummond]

Y'know, minus the education in Russian propaganda that usually goes with comrade broken record, it IS bad manners to put your foot on the table :laugh:

Considering how the EU has treated us, Gunny (& the French position on Brexit has been particularly 'anti' the UK), I somehow think that Boris won't care an awful lot.

Indeed, it might've been a body language way to tell Macron that he was dealing with a far less compliant figure than Mrs May proved to be. If it was, then for my money, Boris did the right thing.

[Gunny]

Considering how the EU has treated us, Gunny (& the French position on Brexit has been particularly 'anti' the UK), I somehow think that Boris won't care an awful lot.

Indeed, it might've been a body language way to tell Macron that he was dealing with a far less compliant figure than Mrs May proved to be. If it was, then for my money, Boris did the right thing.Oh I get the message :laugh: I know EXACTLY what I'd want someone to think in that setting if I dropped my boot heel on the table. FU comes to mind :)

[Gunny]

Putin's not interested because he's afraid Boris will put his feet on the coffee table :laugh: