Bolton Out

[Kathianne]

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Donald J. Trump
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....I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.

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Donald J. Trump
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I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore....

[Kathianne]

Bolton sees it differently: https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1171455806069305346?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


John Bolton
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I offered to resign last night and President Trump said, "Let's talk about it tomorrow."
9:10 AM · Sep 10, 2019

[STTAB]

Either way , just glad to see Trump cut ties with the war mongering swamp dweller.

[Drummond]

This is receiving prominent reporting on the BBC, as 'breaking news' ... I for one am sorry to see John Bolton leave (whatever the precise circumstances are).

[Kathianne]

This is receiving prominent reporting on the BBC, as 'breaking news' ... I for one am sorry to see John Bolton leave (whatever the precise circumstances are).

He went through the generals, including his favorite Mattis. I am finding that he keeps having a problem with those that have problems with his foreign policy perspective. One thing is notable, for the most part they are not going out of their way to publicly humiliate him.

[Kathianne]

It's becoming a dust up whether or not he resigned or was fired.

[Kathianne]

I think Bolton's thinking on Taliban and Camp David aligned with mine. I'm guessing he wasn't as diplomatic as mine. lol!

[Drummond]

He went through the generals, including his favorite Mattis. I am finding that he keeps having a problem with those that have problems with his foreign policy perspective. One thing is notable, for the most part they are not going out of their way to publicly humiliate him.

Yes, well. The BBC has just started screening its 6PM news. This is being billed in their introductory headlines as 'Trump fires again' ... no doubt they're aiming at a 'neutral' report that just 'happens' to be full of negativity against President Trump. Later on in the news broadcast, no doubt I'll see ...

[Kathianne]

Yes, well. The BBC has just started screening its 6PM news. This is being billed in their introductory headlines as 'Trump fires again' ... no doubt they're aiming at a 'neutral' report that just 'happens' to be full of negativity against President Trump. Later on in the news broadcast, no doubt I'll see ...


Looks like Pompeo and Mnuchin are going to have a press conference regarding our relationships with allies-this from asst. press secretary. I'm sensing a 'move along' off this topic.

[STTAB]

He went through the generals, including his favorite Mattis. I am finding that he keeps having a problem with those that have problems with his foreign policy perspective. One thing is notable, for the most part they are not going out of their way to publicly humiliate him.

Every good leader has people under him that disagree with him. It would be stupid to do otherwise, just have a bunch of yes men. The problem is when those people don't shut the fuck up once a decision has been made, and under this President they never do. It's like almost to a person once they disagree with Trump on an issue they feel a need to air that disagreement in public. No leader wants to tolerate that garbage.

[Kathianne]

Every good leader has people under him that disagree with him. It would be stupid to do otherwise, just have a bunch of yes men. The problem is when those people don't shut the fuck up once a decision has been made, and under this President they never do. It's like almost to a person once they disagree with Trump on an issue they feel a need to air that disagreement in public. No leader wants to tolerate that garbage.

I don't think you need worry another moment. Soon there will be another that thinks like you.

[STTAB]

I don't think you need worry another moment. Soon there will be another that thinks like you.

I don't even get where you are going with that....

[Drummond]

BBC neutrality: 'Bolton has just walked the plank'.

No definite news reported as to precise circumstances .. just the tweeted difference in accounts, also the BBC pointing out that 'over 50' officials have been fired on Trump's watch.

One comment from John Sopel .. that there's a perception that Trump is an impetuous character who regularly needs to be reined in 'by adults' (don't you just love BBC judgmental 'neutrality' ?). Sopel speculates that in this instance, it was the other way around: Bolton was too hawkish. Something to do with Taliban talks .. ?

[Kathianne]

I don't even get where you are going with that....

Pompeo's suggestion or whomever the President chooses, will be like Rand Paul. You should be very happy.

[Kathianne]

BBC neutrality: 'Bolton has just walked the plank'.

No definite news reported as to precise circumstances .. just the tweeted difference in accounts, also the BBC pointing out that 'over 50' officials have been fired on Trump's watch.

One comment from John Sopel .. that there's a perception that Trump is an impetuous character who regularly needs to be reined in 'by adults' (don't you just love BBC judgmental 'neutrality' ?). Sopel speculates that in this instance, it was the other way around: Bolton was too hawkish. Something to do with Taliban talks .. ?

In the long run it probably will not matter. With the dust up, I expect that Bolton will not be as circumspect as Mattis was.

[STTAB]

Pompeo's suggestion or whomever the President chooses, will be like Rand Paul. You should be very happy.


I am so not a fan of Rand Paul's lol

I think a variety of opinions is good , but I also think Bolton wasn't above shading intel to push Trump in the direction HE thought he should go. I don't like that.

[Kathianne]

I am so not a fan of Rand Paul's lol

I think a variety of opinions is good , but I also think Bolton wasn't above shading intel to push Trump in the direction HE thought he should go. I don't like that.

As I said, my guess you will like the next. I also expect we'll be seeing a withdrawal of American troops from all over the world, particularly the ME.

[STTAB]

As I said, my guess you will like the next. I also expect we'll be seeing a withdrawal of American troops from all over the world, particularly the ME.
I am fine with that as long as we fuck the Taliban up on the way out.

Hell, if I were President we'd have no troops in Europe or at least far fewer than we have now, and the same with South Korea. This isn't the 18th Century where we need a battleship and thousands of men to deter some nut from doing something stupid. We can strike anywhere in the world in a matter of hours if we need to.

Bring those soldiers home and use them to oh I don't know actually provide for the national defense and let people in Asia worry about Asia etc etc.

[icansayit]

Pretty well covers all of the banter, hyperbole, accusations, rumors, and conspiracy theories presented almost everywhere...ALL THE TIME.
Let's all agree. WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE, OR LIKE WHAT OTHERS SAY, DO, THINK, WONDER ABOUT, OR HOW THEY ACT.
Terrible trait of HUMAN'S.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REWeBzGuzCc

[STTAB]

In the long run it probably will not matter. With the dust up, I expect that Bolton will not be as circumspect as Mattis was.


He will write a book and or be hired by CNN who is suddenly going to decide that getting out of war is un American.

[Kathianne]

He will write a book and or be hired by CNN who is suddenly going to decide that getting out of war is un American.

Pretty much.

[Drummond]

Never underestimate the power of propaganda.

Maybe you do have modern powers, not necessitating manpower presences clear across the world. Nonetheless ... withdrawals permit a new propaganda offensive to take hold. Allow your enemies to interpret the American military as being 'on the run', or, just that the resolve to maintain levels as they are is absent ... your enemies will do the obvious, and accuse the US of weakness.

Whether or not it's 'true', won't matter. Your actions could be perceived that way, leading to greater, avoidable levels of fresh recruitment.

I think this is a reality that Bolton understands well. If so, he is, of course, right.

[Kathianne]

Never underestimate the power of propaganda.

Maybe you do have modern powers, not necessitating manpower presences clear across the world. Nonetheless ... withdrawals permit a new propaganda offensive to take hold. Allow your enemies to interpret the American military as being 'on the run', or, just that the resolve to maintain levels as they are is absent ... your enemies will do the obvious, and accuse the US of weakness.

Whether or not it's 'true', won't matter. Your actions could be perceived that way, leading to greater, avoidable levels of fresh recruitment.

I think this is a reality that Bolton understands well. If so, he is, of course, right.

Agreed. Trump's binary choice scenario is, "tens of thousands killed," or "bring them home."

[SassyLady]

I'd rather fight the enemy over there than here.

[Kathianne]

I'd rather fight the enemy over there than here.
Yea, pretty much how I think.

[Noir]

Good. The further Bolton is from any sort of power or decision making the better.

[Drummond]

Good. The further Bolton is from any sort of power or decision making the better.

Do you resent his approach to US security, Noir ? Is he, perhaps, too much of a patriot for you ?

I'm sure America is dying to know your view :rolleyes:!! What, according to you, is so objectionable about Mr Bolton ?

[Kathianne]

Do you resent his approach to US security, @Noir (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=517) ? Is he, perhaps, too much of a patriot for you ?

I'm sure America is dying to know your view :rolleyes:!! What, according to you, is so objectionable about Mr Bolton ?

Here's some folks that agree with Noir, remarkable that Tucker Carlson referred to Bolton last night as 'a man from the left.'

https://apnews.com/37af97677c2c4cd98d751e1075f0c13b


Iran urges US to ‘put warmongers aside’ after Bolton firing
By NASSER KARIMI
today


TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran’s president urged the U.S. on Wednesday to “put warmongers aside” as tensions roil the Persian Gulf amid an escalating crisis between Washington and Tehran in the wake of the collapsing nuclear deal with world powers.


Hassan Rouhani’s remarks signaled approval of President Donald Trump’s abrupt dismissal of John Bolton as national security adviser, a man routinely pilloried by Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif as part of a “B Team” that targeted Iran.


Bolton had for years been critical of Tehran and once promised before an Iranian exile group that they’d be celebrating the overthrow of Iran’s government this year.

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[Drummond]

Here's some folks that agree with Noir, remarkable that Tucker Carlson referred to Bolton last night as 'a man from the left.'

https://apnews.com/37af97677c2c4cd98d751e1075f0c13b

... ahh. So .. IRAN approves of Bolton's departure ! Oh, well, there y'go, then.

I really needed to be guided, even 'corrected', by Iran's viewpoint !!:rolleyes:

Perhaps Noir did, too .. ?

Bolton, from my point of view, was, and is, a considerable asset to the US. He's never shown tolerance to America's enemies, as, of course, no decent patriot should !! His supposedly 'hawkish' views keep people alert to the dangers overseas opponents pose, and he well knows what those ongoing dangers mandate. In case it isn't obvious, I respect that man.

Here, for Noir's benefit, is an example of why he 'shouldn't' be heeded, why he 'shouldn't' have his pride of place in the corridors of power:

https://news.yahoo.com/bolton-says-iranian-tanker-syrian-port-085809246.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJzvmNG-eoYZd5uSO1ao2POqtHlUHXm_9ogWf18a7dJk15HSMvMc3H3YPM 7D-R0S-zVjMEFYwmTgsfBIj9peCGlyL0eulsGX4cWkiBYLmydHSUGzZLx 1a6Pwj2W4Ez5dK2vd2XLpzEokzSAg4HH2xR-iDF1iYJcBq6MBThdvbOlW


Washington (AFP) - The Iranian oil tanker Adrian Darya 1, blacklisted by Washington, has arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus, US national security advisor John Bolton said.

"Anyone who said the Adrian Darya-1 wasn't headed to Syria is in denial," Bolton said in a tweet late Friday with a satellite image he said showed the ship anchored two nautical miles off Tartus.

"Tehran thinks it's more important to fund the murderous Assad regime than provide for its own people. We can talk, but Iran's not getting any sanctions relief until it stops lying and spreading terror!"

[Elessar]

Good. The further Bolton is from any sort of power or decision making the better.

You are such a Twit.

Have you, with your opinions, fixed the UK's problems yet?

[jimnyc]

I like Bolton and still do. I also believe he resigned and then Trump thought he would beat him to the punch and claim he fired him. Stupid. Retarded. Arrogant. Shit like this is nothing new and it didn't change whether Bolton would be gone or not. But still a part of Trump I don't like. He lies and exaggerates. Mot the lying that the MSM would have you believe, but lies about dumb things nonetheless.

But I hope whomever replaces Bolton is willing to be as tough and not back down. We need someone strong in all of those positions. Someone who doesn't take shit from other countries, especially damn terrorists.

[Kathianne]

I like Bolton and still do. I also believe he resigned and then Trump thought he would beat him to the punch and claim he fired him. Stupid. Retarded. Arrogant. Shit like this is nothing new and it didn't change whether Bolton would be gone or not. But still a part of Trump I don't like. He lies and exaggerates. Mot the lying that the MSM would have you believe, but lies about dumb things nonetheless.

But I hope whomever replaces Bolton is willing to be as tough and not back down. We need someone strong in all of those positions. Someone who doesn't take shit from other countries, especially damn terrorists.

I'm pretty sure that whomever he names will be an ally of Pompeo and Muchchin. They seemed to be almost giddy at the news conference yesterday.

The president has every right to have the advisers he wants. I personally think he's made many mistakes in the past 10 days, ones I think he's going to have a big problem overcoming.

I'd been concerned just hearing about the 'principle agreement' without the Afghan government, but throw in Camp David meeting? Kind of took my consideration of voting for him in a year off the table again. He may surprise me, he's done it before, but today I found it disgusting watching him in the 9/11 ceremony at the Pentagon. I'm sorry, but I did.

[STTAB]

Here's some folks that agree with Noir, remarkable that Tucker Carlson referred to Bolton last night as 'a man from the left.'

https://apnews.com/37af97677c2c4cd98d751e1075f0c13b


Tucker Carlson has NEVER liked John Bolton , he has repeatedly said he's a war monger who would like to get us involved in a world war. I didn't see him call Bolton from the left though.

[Kathianne]

Tucker Carlson has NEVER liked John Bolton , he has repeatedly said he's a war monger who would like to get us involved in a world war. I didn't see him call Bolton from the left though.


https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-hails-firing-of-john-bolton-he-was-fundamentally-a-man-of-the-left



FOX NEWS FLASHPublished 6 hours agoTucker hails firing of John Bolton: He was 'fundamentally a man of the left'
By David Montanaro | Fox News

Tucker Carlson (https://www.foxnews.com/shows/tucker-carlson-tonight) hailed the firing Tuesday of White House National Security Adviser John Bolton (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-acting-national-security-adviser-charles-kupperman-john-bolton-islamophobe-resignation), calling him a "man of the left" whose exit should be celebrated by young service members.

“It is great news for America. Especially for the large number of young people who would have been killed in pointless wars if Bolton had stayed on the job. They may not be celebrating tonight, but they should be," said Carlson, noting that oil prices dropped on the news of Bolton's firing, since global investors "knew for certain that Bolton planned on launching another Middle Eastern conflict that would inevitably spike energy prices."


In his opening monologue on "Tucker Carlson Tonight," (https://www.foxnews.com/shows/tucker-carlson-tonight) Carlson looked back on his March 2018 interview with Bolton, recalling that Bolton displayed "selective amnesia" about the consequences of "regime change" in the Middle East.

...

[STTAB]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-hails-firing-of-john-bolton-he-was-fundamentally-a-man-of-the-left


I don't know what he meant by that, weird, because Tucker usually doesn't pigeonhole war mongers in the left or right, recognizing that they exist on both sides.

Maybe he was referring to the fact that now that Trump has fired him Bolton will become a leftie folk hero.

[Kathianne]

I don't know what he meant by that, weird, because Tucker usually doesn't pigeonhole war mongers in the left or right, recognizing that they exist on both sides.

Maybe he was referring to the fact that now that Trump has fired him Bolton will become a leftie folk hero.

He was clear. IF the left likes you, because Trump doesn't, you're a leftie. Simple statement for simple thinking.

[icansayit]

If he hires somebody like BOLTON. He's a Warmonger. If he doesn't hire somebody like BOLTON...he's an apologist. If he fires somebody like Bolton. That makes the President A Warmonger, and unable to handle Foreign affairs. Which the Dem's, and RINO's have been insisting anyway.

Now...the President is laughing at all of them. Does anyone Really Know what Trump, and Bolton have said to each other?

The ROCK and HARD PLACE...or DAMNED IF YOU DO, AND DAMNED IF YOU DON'T.

All of the pundants, anti-trumpers, and know-it-all's are beside themselves..

The President is smarter than all of them. https://pics.me.me/gotcha-president-pence-we-just-pulled-off-the-areatestapril-fools-31974906.png

[pete311]

The President is smarter than all of them.

:lol::clap:

[Noir]

Here's some folks that agree with Noir

Does Trump agree with me that Bolton shouldn’t be his National Security Advisor?

[Kathianne]

Does Trump agree with me that Bolton shouldn’t be his National Security Advisor?

You bet. Nuff said.

[Noir]

You bet. Nuff said.

Myself, Trump, and Iran in agreement. The dream team indeed.

[Kathianne]

Myself, Trump, and Iran in agreement. The dream team indeed.
:laugh2:

[Drummond]

Myself, Trump, and Iran in agreement. The dream team indeed.

Meanwhile, the Iranian tanker impounded then ultimately released by Gibraltar - and despite written assurances received that its cargo was NOT bound for Syria - eventually unloaded its cargo there.

Whose was the loudest voice of warning, NOT to release it ? BOLTON.

Bolton's so-called 'hawkish' suspicions and assertions were 100 percent correct. I'd call that a reason (one of many) why Bolton didn't deserve his fate.

But never mind, Noir. It seems you're keen to be a pro-Iranian voice. You'll have to explain that, sometime ...

... if you can .....

[Noir]

But never mind, Noir. It seems you're keen to be a pro-Iranian voice. You'll have to explain that, sometime ...

... if you can .....

I certainly seem to be as pro-Iranian voiced as Trump, so maybe we can release a joint statement to explain that, sometime...

[Drummond]

I certainly seem to be as pro-Iranian voiced as Trump, so maybe we can release a joint statement to explain that, sometime...

?????????????!???????????????!???????????????????? ????????????????????????!????????????????????????

You're planning to release a joint statement with President Trump, eh ??? :laugh::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yes, well .... I'm sure President Trump is clearing his appointments diary, sufficiently to accommodate YOU ... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

.... but, I'm intrigued. Do I correctly understand that some new outbreak of cooperative and empathic spirit has broken out in you, Noir, where the President's Administration is concerned ?? [Are you feeling all right ?? Sure the NHS can't step in and offer you some anti-hallucinatory treatment (assuming they've not outlawed it, classically / typically on grounds of cost) ?]

--- Glory be !!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::confused0058:

[Elessar]

?????????????!???????????????!???????????????????? ????????????????????????!????????????????????????

You're planning to release a joint statement with President Trump, eh ??? :laugh::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yes, well .... I'm sure President Trump is clearing his appointments diary, sufficiently to accommodate YOU ... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

.... but, I'm intrigued. Do I correctly understand that some new outbreak of cooperative and empathic spirit has broken out in you, Noir, where the President's Administration is concerned ?? [Are you feeling all right ?? Sure the NHS can't step in and offer you some anti-hallucinatory treatment (assuming they've not outlawed it, classically / typically on grounds of cost) ?]

--- Glory be !!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::confused0058:

But you forget, Noir is an expert at everything.:laugh:

[Drummond]

But you forget, Noir is an expert at everything.:laugh:

Silly me ... of course ...... :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::rolleyes: