jimnyc
11-03-2019, 11:18 AM
That part I think is true. Ask someone to at least discuss the things they think Trump did accomplish that they think was good. If someone says zero, they are a hack. And I think the same applies to the right and say, Obama, or Clinton. I mean, I don't like them, and the majority of things they did, but they got some shit done that was good for the country as well. But a hack will ignore ALL things and solely concentrate on anything negative and swear away anything good that may have happened.
Just because this article today mentions the never Trump stuff, it is NOT about folks here or intended to start an argument. This is about the hacks out there that the article speaks of and the type I just mentioned. If someone says, for example, that a lower unemployment for black folks is a good thing, how do you disagree with that? And some will, or outright ignore it and then proclaim Trump has done nothing. That's the folks with the illness, and I think you may even find some on the nightly news, sadly.
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NeverTrumpism Is a Mental Illness
One of the best ways to understand a person's state of mind about politics is to ask him whether he thinks that a politician he generally disagrees with has ever done anything good. Is there one decision or policy he favors? Just one? If the answer is "no," you know you're dealing with someone who's so blinded by and obsessed with hatred that he can't possibly be taken seriously. About anything.
Case in point: a Twitter conversation I had today with Doug Mataconis, who blogs at Outside The Beltway, a once respectable and much respected conservative-libertarian blog. Doug started it all by tweeting out that he has lived through 10 presidents -- "Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama and Trump -- and the current Potus is without question the worst."
I've lived through 10 Presidents -- Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan , Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama and Trump --- and the current @POTUS is without question the worst.
Doug Mataconis (@dmataconis) November 2, 2019
One John Powers responded to that by writing, "Remember all those Never Obamas and Never Bushers who fled their party en masse? Yeah, me neither."
Remember all those Never Obamas and Never Bushers who fled their party en masse? Yeah, me neither.
John Powers (@ReportingfromNY) November 2, 2019
To which Doug responded that there were also no Never Reagan or Never Clinton movements because "none of these men had the obvious contempt for political norms, decency, the Rule of Law, our allies, and American national interests that Trump has demonstrated. And none of them were as plainly indecent."
That latter remark is rather telling. After all, Nixon was basically a political version of The Godfather, and Lyndon B. Johnson was known -- then and now -- to be a) extremely racist and b) incredibly rude.
I pointed that out in a short tweet.
You'd think that Doug would agree, but no. Instead, he stepped it up a notch.
LBJ was at least decent at domestic policy. Without him we would not have had the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the Voting Rights Act.
Doug Mataconis (@dmataconis) November 2, 2019
LBJ, Doug wrote, was at least "decent at domestic policy. Without him, we would not have had the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the Voting Rights Act."
I responded, "As for decency: LBJ was a monster. The only difference was that media were less big back then and he got away [with it]."
Additionally, it's difficult to argue that ALL of Trump's policies are bad. Even his most passionate detractors will admit he has done some things they are happy with.
As for decency: LBJ was a monster. The only difference was that media were less big back then and he got away
Michael van der Galien (@MichaelvdGalien) November 2, 2019
In that last tweet, I also told Doug that "it's difficult to argue that ALL of Trump's policies are bad. Even his most passionate detractors will admit he has done some things they are happy with."
Oh no, Doug wrote: "Name one. From my point of view, I don't see anything good, decent, or honorable about Trump."
Name one. From my point of view I don't see anything good, decent, or honorable about Trump.
Doug Mataconis (@dmataconis) November 2, 2019
"Not one policy, not one rule that he abolished, nothing good? Anywhere? Doug, that tells me more about your state of mind than it tells me about Trump," I responded, after which I listed some of Trump's accomplishments: "Lowest unemployment African Americans. Lowest unemployment Hispanics. Lowest unemployment women. Some great deregulation. Lowest marg. tax rate for small businesses in decades, coal exports have exploded, and so on. It's seriously ridiculous to state he has done 'nothing good.'"
Lowest unemployment African Americans. Lowest unemployment Hispanics. Lowest unemployment women. Some great deregulation. Lowest marg. tax rate for small businesses in decades, coal exports have exploded, and so on. It's seriously ridiculous to state he has done 'nothing good'
Michael van der Galien (@MichaelvdGalien) November 2, 2019
And that's when it became clear to me that NeverTrumpers truly suffer from some kind of derangement syndrome. Here's Doug's response:
The regulatory repeal was accomplished by Congress, not Trump. It would have happened with any Republican President. Same goes for the Judges, and I can't say I'm entirely thrilled with all his choices there to begin with. And his foreign policy has been pandering to dictators.
Doug Mataconis (@dmataconis) November 2, 2019
Rest - https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/nevertrumpers-are-mentally-ill/
Just because this article today mentions the never Trump stuff, it is NOT about folks here or intended to start an argument. This is about the hacks out there that the article speaks of and the type I just mentioned. If someone says, for example, that a lower unemployment for black folks is a good thing, how do you disagree with that? And some will, or outright ignore it and then proclaim Trump has done nothing. That's the folks with the illness, and I think you may even find some on the nightly news, sadly.
---
NeverTrumpism Is a Mental Illness
One of the best ways to understand a person's state of mind about politics is to ask him whether he thinks that a politician he generally disagrees with has ever done anything good. Is there one decision or policy he favors? Just one? If the answer is "no," you know you're dealing with someone who's so blinded by and obsessed with hatred that he can't possibly be taken seriously. About anything.
Case in point: a Twitter conversation I had today with Doug Mataconis, who blogs at Outside The Beltway, a once respectable and much respected conservative-libertarian blog. Doug started it all by tweeting out that he has lived through 10 presidents -- "Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama and Trump -- and the current Potus is without question the worst."
I've lived through 10 Presidents -- Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan , Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama and Trump --- and the current @POTUS is without question the worst.
Doug Mataconis (@dmataconis) November 2, 2019
One John Powers responded to that by writing, "Remember all those Never Obamas and Never Bushers who fled their party en masse? Yeah, me neither."
Remember all those Never Obamas and Never Bushers who fled their party en masse? Yeah, me neither.
John Powers (@ReportingfromNY) November 2, 2019
To which Doug responded that there were also no Never Reagan or Never Clinton movements because "none of these men had the obvious contempt for political norms, decency, the Rule of Law, our allies, and American national interests that Trump has demonstrated. And none of them were as plainly indecent."
That latter remark is rather telling. After all, Nixon was basically a political version of The Godfather, and Lyndon B. Johnson was known -- then and now -- to be a) extremely racist and b) incredibly rude.
I pointed that out in a short tweet.
You'd think that Doug would agree, but no. Instead, he stepped it up a notch.
LBJ was at least decent at domestic policy. Without him we would not have had the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the Voting Rights Act.
Doug Mataconis (@dmataconis) November 2, 2019
LBJ, Doug wrote, was at least "decent at domestic policy. Without him, we would not have had the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the Voting Rights Act."
I responded, "As for decency: LBJ was a monster. The only difference was that media were less big back then and he got away [with it]."
Additionally, it's difficult to argue that ALL of Trump's policies are bad. Even his most passionate detractors will admit he has done some things they are happy with.
As for decency: LBJ was a monster. The only difference was that media were less big back then and he got away
Michael van der Galien (@MichaelvdGalien) November 2, 2019
In that last tweet, I also told Doug that "it's difficult to argue that ALL of Trump's policies are bad. Even his most passionate detractors will admit he has done some things they are happy with."
Oh no, Doug wrote: "Name one. From my point of view, I don't see anything good, decent, or honorable about Trump."
Name one. From my point of view I don't see anything good, decent, or honorable about Trump.
Doug Mataconis (@dmataconis) November 2, 2019
"Not one policy, not one rule that he abolished, nothing good? Anywhere? Doug, that tells me more about your state of mind than it tells me about Trump," I responded, after which I listed some of Trump's accomplishments: "Lowest unemployment African Americans. Lowest unemployment Hispanics. Lowest unemployment women. Some great deregulation. Lowest marg. tax rate for small businesses in decades, coal exports have exploded, and so on. It's seriously ridiculous to state he has done 'nothing good.'"
Lowest unemployment African Americans. Lowest unemployment Hispanics. Lowest unemployment women. Some great deregulation. Lowest marg. tax rate for small businesses in decades, coal exports have exploded, and so on. It's seriously ridiculous to state he has done 'nothing good'
Michael van der Galien (@MichaelvdGalien) November 2, 2019
And that's when it became clear to me that NeverTrumpers truly suffer from some kind of derangement syndrome. Here's Doug's response:
The regulatory repeal was accomplished by Congress, not Trump. It would have happened with any Republican President. Same goes for the Judges, and I can't say I'm entirely thrilled with all his choices there to begin with. And his foreign policy has been pandering to dictators.
Doug Mataconis (@dmataconis) November 2, 2019
Rest - https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/nevertrumpers-are-mentally-ill/