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Kathianne
11-10-2019, 10:05 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw a young student shot point blank dead by a HK police officer a few minutes ago. Universities are closing. Earlier a motorcycle cop drove his bike into numerous people, then before they could catch him, he sped away.

The police also shot 2 others in the video I watched, live. Stand News out of Hong Kong.

I'm going to be surprised if China doesn't invade. I hope the young people who are enamored with socialism/communism pay some attention.

FakeNewsSux
11-10-2019, 10:55 PM
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/backup/2019/11/11/5201321145154489769/636x382_MP4_5201321145154489769.mp4


https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/backup/2019/11/11/5722038822128957610/636x382_MP4_5722038822128957610.mp4

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7671231/Two-protesters-shot-police-Hong-Kong-officers-open-fire-live-rounds.html

Gunny
11-11-2019, 09:33 AM
I'm pretty sure I saw a young student shot point blank dead by a HK police officer a few minutes ago. Universities are closing. Earlier a motorcycle cop drove his bike into numerous people, then before they could catch him, he sped away.

The police also shot 2 others in the video I watched, live. Stand News out of Hong Kong.

I'm going to be surprised if China doesn't invade. I hope the young people who are enamored with socialism/communism pay some attention.The same goofs enamored with socialism will want us to go help the protesters :rolleyes: That's about the depth of their thought on the matter, IMO.

Kathianne
11-17-2019, 02:05 PM
It now appears to have turned to an outright war. Chinese army is working with HK police. Snipers on rooftop of one of the universities. A policeman was hit in leg with arrow, no guns in hands of protesters, so it's bow and arrows, Molotov bottles, and bricks.

Gunny
11-17-2019, 02:17 PM
It now appears to have turned to an outright war. Chinese army is working with HK police. Snipers on rooftop of one of the universities. A policeman was hit in leg with arrow, no guns in hands of protesters, so it's bow and arrows, Molotov bottles, and bricks.I would HATE to be in a war in Hong Kong. Think filling a bottle with ants and that's what that place is like. About 20 stories high no less.

The Chinese can just ring the place and shoot fish in a barrel if they get the urge.

Kathianne
11-17-2019, 02:22 PM
I would HATE to be in a war in Hong Kong. Think filling a bottle with ants and that's what that place is like. About 20 stories high no less.

The Chinese can just ring the place and shoot fish in a barrel if they get the urge.

Indeed. Much of the fighting now though is at the universities which were closed on Wednesday. Polytech is where most of the violence is today.

Gunny
11-17-2019, 03:00 PM
Indeed. Much of the fighting now though is at the universities which were closed on Wednesday. Polytech is where most of the violence is today.This is one of those things I just can't see the point to. Endgame? These protesters hope to get what?

Let's face facts. Not that we are above being drawn into crap like this, but we're not going to risk war with China over the place. And we're on the short list of 1 of anyone that might even contemplate it. Sanctions, if it even goes that far won't bring back the dead.

Kathianne
11-17-2019, 03:11 PM
This is one of those things I just can't see the point to. Endgame? These protesters hope to get what?

Let's face facts. Not that we are above being drawn into crap like this, but we're not going to risk war with China over the place. And we're on the short list of 1 of anyone that might even contemplate it. Sanctions, if it even goes that far won't bring back the dead.
I’m old enough to remember the same said about Solidarity and USSR.

Gunny
11-17-2019, 09:07 PM
I’m old enough to remember the same said about Solidarity and USSR.The protesters are using physical violence as a means to resist. They're out-gunned. Out-manned. And China can just flat isolate Hong Kong from the World.

You're stretching my memory but the Solidarity movement was the worker's union vs the Polish government. The workers union in a socialist state IS the people and they can disrupt the nation, not merely an isolated province. Maybe the Soviets would have stepped in. They didn't.

I'm just not seeing a good comparison here.

Kathianne
11-17-2019, 11:02 PM
The protesters are using physical violence as a means to resist. They're out-gunned. Out-manned. And China can just flat isolate Hong Kong from the World.

You're stretching my memory but the Solidarity movement was the worker's union vs the Polish government. The workers union in a socialist state IS the people and they can disrupt the nation, not merely an isolated province. Maybe the Soviets would have stepped in. They didn't.

I'm just not seeing a good comparison here.
Other than the ‘impossible ‘ sometimes isn’t.

The students were not violent until provoked by tear gas, beatings, rapes, etc. That includes right up to Saturday.

Kathianne
11-19-2019, 05:41 PM
2 days ago:

https://www.facebook.com/lihkg.forum/videos/vb.1178706375559427/538510723638530/?type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/lihkg.forum/videos/vb.1178706375559427/538510723638530/?type=2&theater)

Today/yesterday:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Woppa1Woppa/status/1196315507059650560?fbclid=IwAR2wnZgCICiMGlAGeBkFl Ru6lumoTg3LKUbfK6pUpcoELm-md_Yy7st5-DU

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=467074793785730&notif_id=1574202417051682&notif_t=watch_follower_video

High_Plains_Drifter
11-19-2019, 07:43 PM
Today/yesterday:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Woppa1Woppa/status/1196315507059650560?fbclid=IwAR2wnZgCICiMGlAGeBkFl Ru6lumoTg3LKUbfK6pUpcoELm-md_Yy7st5-DU


That looks exactly like the Nazis rounding up the Jews and putting them on trains. The entire WORLD should be absolutely OUTRAGED that is happening.

Where are they taking them? What are they doing to them?

Kathianne
11-19-2019, 09:15 PM
Today the US Senate finally agreed with the House and passed the Hong Kong Human Rights & Democracy Act. Now only needs to be signed by the President.

Gunny
11-19-2019, 09:46 PM
Today the US Senate finally agreed with the Hong Kong House and passed the Human Rights & Democracy Act. Now only needs to be signed by the President.I don't have a problem with that, nor am I indifferent to the protesters in Hong Kong. Detached maybe, but indifferent, no.

HOWEVER (:)) ... IMO, IF We, the People of the United States, wish to be outraged at the behavior of governments, we need look no further than DC. I'm a big believer in you clean your own house before telling me how to clean mine and it goes both ways. The US Government is an embarrassment to itself, and We, the People.

Not to mention the half-assery with our military around the Globe. Do something and win or bring it home.

Whether or not any of us like it, Hong Kong is a province of China, and this issue is an internal Chinese issue.

Kathianne
11-19-2019, 09:53 PM
I don't have a problem with that, nor am I indifferent to the protesters in Hong Kong. Detached maybe, but indifferent, no.

HOWEVER (:)) ... IMO, IF We, the People of the United States, wish to be outraged at the behavior of governments, we need look no further than DC. I'm a big believer in you clean your own house before telling me how to clean mine and it goes both ways. The US Government is an embarrassment to itself, and We, the People.

Not to mention the half-assery with our military around the Globe. Do something and win or bring it home.

Whether or not any of us like it, Hong Kong is a province of China, and this issue is an internal Chinese issue.

I agree about cleaning house, thought that was all about the President?

In any case, I for one, am not looking for the US to get involved in any sense other than supporting democracy and using economics, (which we supposedly are doing already for other reasons), to apply some pressure for human rights.

Kathianne
11-19-2019, 09:59 PM
After the stampede:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2277h7a2WIE&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1v hDMhnNhSMUI4m8Bv5jh7zz062FdRWzs5GBuIVkJyiBFKq3zadE uTFtY

Gunny
11-20-2019, 06:21 PM
I agree about cleaning house, thought that was all about the President?

In any case, I for one, am not looking for the US to get involved in any sense other than supporting democracy and using economics, (which we supposedly are doing already for other reasons), to apply some pressure for human rights.

I assume you are referring to "draining the swamp"? WHO believed THAT, or that the President has the power to do that? He can't touch elected officials in Congress himself. I said the first time I heard it all he was going to do is piss off a bunch of lifers clinging to their government jobs where they don't have to work and can't be fired for it. And what has the President accomplished? Just what I said.

When all this crap is said and done, some small fry will be sacrificed to "appease the mob". Nothing's going to change. All he's done is shine a flashlight on the cockroaches in the corner and they've held up his Administration for 3 years as a result.

The Republican bureaucrats that won't support him could care less about his ideals, agenda or anything else other than he's shining a light on them too.

The People have to clean house or it won't be done and we'll just keep on keepin' on heading over the cliff and into the abyss.

But if anyone wants to protest crap to our elected officials so they hear our voices, how about protesting against something that is relevant to US? I have no problem with bitching about what's going on in Hong Kong. Make it paragraph 2.

We do not need to be involved in Hong Kong even to the point of giving aid to dissident students. All that's going to do is tick off China and we'll end up with a bunch of political refugees, as usual.

Kathianne
11-20-2019, 09:21 PM
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/hong-kong-rights-bill-clears-us-congress-heads-to-trump-12112894?cid=fbcna&fbclid=IwAR0mvj7MTodUapgOCohuRjTIkcWEIGSy--lJgIabQyFa3SEpgLx24xIlvOM


WASHINGTON: US lawmakers on Wednesday (Nov 20) overwhelmingly approved legislation that supports human rights and democracy in Hong Kong and also backs the territory's anti-China protesters, sending the measure opposed by Beijing to President Donald Trump.


The Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act passed the House of Representatives by 417 to 1, one day after the Senate unanimously passed the measure, provoking an outcry from Beijing.


The bill requires the US president to annually review the favorable trade status that Washington grants to Hong Kong, and threatens to revoke the coveted status that the semi-autonomous Chinese territory enjoys with the United States if its freedoms are quashed.


The measure now heads to Trump. He has not decisively said whether he will sign it, although the passage by a strong veto-proof majority may affect his calculus on the bill.


The House, by 417 votes to 0, also approved Senate-cleared legislation that would ban sales of tear gas, rubber bullets and other equipment used by Hong Kong security forces.


The bills set up a potential conflict between the two economic superpowers that could jeopardize a major trade deal which has been under negotiation for months.


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Beijing expressed anger earlier on Wednesday after the Senate's unanimous vote, warning of "strong countermeasures" if the bill becomes law, and summoning acting US charge d'affaires William Klein to lodge a protest.


Michael McCaul, top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, denounced China's "authoritarian brutality" on display in Hong Kong as he spoke directly to residents of the territory from the House floor.


"America stands with you and America will always support you," McCaul said.


The votes marked an unusually strong show of bipartisanship in divided Washington.


Republican Senator Marco Rubio, a sponsor of the Senate bill, applauded Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for swiftly bringing it to a vote in her chamber.


"As the Chinese Communist Party and Hong Kong government officials continue to violate the basic rights of the Hong Kong people and erode Hong Kong's autonomy, the United States must make clear that we continue to stand with Hong Kongers fighting for their long-cherished freedoms," Rubio said.


The rights bill passed as dozens of pro-democracy protesters stood firm inside a besieged Hong Kong university, where a four-day standoff against police has caught the world's attention.


The city has suffered nearly six months of increasingly savage anti-China protests and unrest that began over a now-shelved bill to allow extraditions to China, which revived fears that Beijing was slicing into the city's freedoms.




Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/hong-kong-rights-bill-clears-us-congress-heads-to-trump-12112894

Gunny
11-20-2019, 09:37 PM
Even though I think the legislation itself is pointless, I am amazed that it passed almost unanimously in both chambers. Trump will veto it (j/k:laugh2:)

Kind of reinforces what I posted previously. People who are acting like grade school children presuming to tell others how to act :rolleyes:

Kathianne
11-20-2019, 09:47 PM
https://thestandnews.com/politics/the-longest-day-housewives-students-and-protesters-in-the-besieged-polyu/?fbclid=IwAR2wMbdBJLKtRwykdpjeUEqYIJeWd2B3jGCZZKVE 3CIQ96X5vTqRdTt40UI


"Humans of Hong Kong" is a brand new column highlighting the English version of feature stories and interviews by Stand News.

Interesting read if you haven't been following the past few days in Hong Kong.

Kathianne
11-20-2019, 10:48 PM
A brief synopsis of how it began and continues:


Tommy Walker (https://www.facebook.com/TommyWalker.Co/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARAiD_lh5yimj5M2Cdfo67sV4uruTDq27UVHX3PqOa9OJ9 0M9s8qnxq9G8iw2X5S9e5j2pr6U2aLDWNE&hc_ref=ARRnQc4OYlKjgfdx47LkzWuFuOHatDmB5K_ex_OS9oP 36xqocTWSybqWnioqcxl2Yn0&fref=nf&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBvjYX2K9mWPWfjtYOmmpbzPlwCtQHW b1wppAMZBmw_6LSxJKyz9b0rECBbiZRlRAb5uilQNE9lUiMvqf 0uJelb3jIE-50aNfYdXo5zuv_0oU1SdEY1TecORwWgNIr85q3N3OCnbIXS0kV R7Tce0CEQ4bP0p94vqWn793A8PoUSZcck2vf9fF9dPBToJWuDn lnCjmpiQ-98lzXtKjW4j2SA2xj3F3dsLbHtuAOIGIZYeSGMvG0af55ShKmo wCs9Or1JDRph3NwtDYFXiNIf3JvI9yDzZ5r3ANmqwN_c5HhaEJ x5y0rbV30oHPiSUhh-ZBPN5WoTpsRyHpKqijWe9_4&__xts__%5B1%5D=68.ARDTXaC911wc5l-LPn12-hpqaJ2YHkqUqd3aAcThABQdxM_oRfGdHKj0Uw72_jaSSoeEZ2P npHTCvbYaidT6p5VWa7DI5ucXTLGCbp3MFSSQeuK2EhoK9VZxU bcFrLy9vGmoA9W1r4w0kWTKfA8LeeG3ca8nT8cePG-Dfo3df77foCp624PV5_2cw3VSLo_dxZug1-PaZQMfdJI4TSb6G64Ei7PPvPpurkAPb9rPKFIDM9GRHVv7F5cr fSD4JDoN6I8Av1YV6je2ZF5pUxorq4SxTr2shDI3hEGVNxGrKY PE9qKk2NjO6VZVhoRmsFBUQwt6fEKyQzUD7fdFSEecRio)

September 4 (https://www.facebook.com/TommyWalker.Co/posts/376042726417453?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBvjYX2K9mWPWfj tYOmmpbzPlwCtQHWb1wppAMZBmw_6LSxJKyz9b0rECBbiZRlRA b5uilQNE9lUiMvqf0uJelb3jIE-50aNfYdXo5zuv_0oU1SdEY1TecORwWgNIr85q3N3OCnbIXS0kV R7Tce0CEQ4bP0p94vqWn793A8PoUSZcck2vf9fF9dPBToJWuDn lnCjmpiQ-98lzXtKjW4j2SA2xj3F3dsLbHtuAOIGIZYeSGMvG0af55ShKmo wCs9Or1JDRph3NwtDYFXiNIf3JvI9yDzZ5r3ANmqwN_c5HhaEJ x5y0rbV30oHPiSUhh-ZBPN5WoTpsRyHpKqijWe9_4&__xts__%5B1%5D=68.ARDTXaC911wc5l-LPn12-hpqaJ2YHkqUqd3aAcThABQdxM_oRfGdHKj0Uw72_jaSSoeEZ2P npHTCvbYaidT6p5VWa7DI5ucXTLGCbp3MFSSQeuK2EhoK9VZxU bcFrLy9vGmoA9W1r4w0kWTKfA8LeeG3ca8nT8cePG-Dfo3df77foCp624PV5_2cw3VSLo_dxZug1-PaZQMfdJI4TSb6G64Ei7PPvPpurkAPb9rPKFIDM9GRHVv7F5cr fSD4JDoN6I8Av1YV6je2ZF5pUxorq4SxTr2shDI3hEGVNxGrKY PE9qKk2NjO6VZVhoRmsFBUQwt6fEKyQzUD7fdFSEecRio&__tn__=-R) ·

The Hong Kong protests in approximately 200 words:

The Hong Kong protests began in June against the proposal for a controversial bill that would allow extradition to mainland China.

Hong Kong enjoys freedoms not seen in mainland China under the 'One Country, Two Systems' agreement, with critics fearing the bill would undermine Hong Kong's judicial independence.

In July, after consistent protests, Chief Executive Carrie Lam stated the bill was 'dead' but refused to officially withdraw it. Demonstrations continued including demands for full democracy, police inquiries, and universal suffrage, asking for five demands to be met.

Clashes have continued for 23 consecutive weeks between protesters and police, with triad gangs and pro-Beijing proxies also getting involved. Teargas, water cannons, rubber bullets, Molotov's and firearms have all been used leaving Hong Kong in a situation similar to an urban-guerilla war.

On the 4th of September, Carrie Lam announced the extradition bill is to be withdrawn officially.

In an effort to curb the violence, on October 5th the Emergency Regulations Ordinance was invoked, and the first law was banning the use of masks.

The extradition bill that triggered the protests, was officially withdrawn on the 23rd of October.
Demonstrations continue, with protesters demanding all of the five demands are to be met.

Kathianne
11-20-2019, 10:54 PM
Here's why so few understand what has been happening by China to Hong Kong. Just like domestic news, the foreign news is being manipulated:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/19/reuters-changes-hong-kong-article/?fbclid=IwAR0glaC08WUYcsmRtdVr95vlAqS1aApzqpOv4bkx mc_Euj86FZUA9-mZEpk

Kathianne
11-24-2019, 10:40 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-24/hong-kong-s-pro-democracy-candidates-poised-to-win-majority-k3dlva6f?utm_source=facebook&utm_content=asia&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&fbclid=IwAR1Ga-TeKzD6p1O2upzuGAYoPrZ-RWrd3dQRcZjSDH_2sY0LU6qSFbUWzYw

Kathianne
11-24-2019, 10:40 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-24/hong-kong-s-pro-democracy-candidates-poised-to-win-majority-k3dlva6f?utm_source=facebook&utm_content=asia&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&fbclid=IwAR1Ga-TeKzD6p1O2upzuGAYoPrZ-RWrd3dQRcZjSDH_2sY0LU6qSFbUWzYw

That’s not all ‘students!”

Kathianne
11-25-2019, 12:53 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50531408?fbclid=IwAR25ecygYdQKG-a5i57iFTeZptiRkTjX41FybKqcS87vYT_vLI91gHsWhNE

Kathianne
11-25-2019, 11:01 PM
What is with China? Outdoing the cultural revolution for deaths?

https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/11/25/chinese-reeducation-camps-cultural-revolution-steroids/

Kathianne
11-26-2019, 12:07 AM
Claudia Rosett on Hong Kong, after observing for over 30 years:
https://pjmedia.com/claudiarosett/hong-kongs-finest-hour/

Kathianne
11-26-2019, 10:38 AM
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/349492/


NOVEMBER 26, 2019
THE PEOPLE’S GOVERNMENT WILL LISTEN TO ANYTHING BUT THE PEOPLE’S VOICE: China issues stern response to landslide victory of Hong Kong pro-democracy forces. (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-issues-stern-response-landslide-victory-hong-kong-pro-democracy-n1090396)

Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that no matter how the situation in Hong Kong changes, the semiautonomous region is part of China.
“Any attempt to disrupt Hong Kong and damage [its] stability and prosperity will not succeed,” he told reporters in Japan, where he was attending a G-20 foreign ministers meeting.
I think that’s actually the message Hong Kong voters sent to Beijing.

Posted by Stephen Green at 10:35 am

Kathianne
11-27-2019, 10:31 PM
President Trump signed off on the Hong Kong bill. I really thought he was just going to let it go with pocket veto, but he did step up. Kudos!

Kathianne
12-04-2019, 06:13 AM
Spreading to the mainland? Worst Chinese nightmare:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/12/chicom_nightmare_hong_kong_protests_spread_to_giga ntic_guangdong.html

Gunny
12-07-2019, 03:33 PM
December 7, 2019
By Cate Cadell and Martin Pollard
BEIJING/HONG KONG (Reuters) – Hong Kong’s new police commissioner said on Saturday his force would take a flexible approach to pro-democracy demonstrations as the city gears up for a rally on Sunday that is expected to draw a huge crowd.
Chris Tang was appointed last month upon his predecessor’s retirement and amid six months of sometimes violent anti-government protests in Chinese-ruled Hong Kong. He was speaking in Beijing on a “courtesy visit” during which he briefed top officials in charge of public security, legal and Hong Kong affairs.

“We will use both the hard and soft approach. We will be stringent on illegal violent actions such as throwing of petrol bombs, acid,” Tang told reporters in Beijing.
“For other issues, if possible, we will adopt a more flexible approach.”
Police have given a rare green light to the demonstration planned for Sunday by the Civil Human Rights Front (CHRF) group, which organized largely peaceful million-strong marches in the summer.
The march will gauge support for the pro-democracy movement following its overwhelming victory in local elections late last month. Police said they would intervene “immediately” if it turned violent.
Tang said he hoped Sunday’s protest would be peaceful.
What started as demonstrations against a now-withdrawn bill allowing extradition to mainland China has morphed into calls for greater democratic freedoms and sometimes violent protests.
The international financial hub has enjoyed relative calm in the weeks since the elections.
Protesters have set out five demands, including universal suffrage and an investigation into alleged police brutality.
Beijing has condemned the unrest and blamed foreign governments, including the United States and former colonial power Britain of interfering in the country’s internal affairs.
Tara Joseph, President of the American Chamber of Commerce in Hong Kong, told Reuters on Saturday that she had been denied entry to the neighboring Chinese-ruled territory of Macau.
Joseph, a U.S. citizen, said she was detained by immigration authorities for around two hours as she made her way to the to the former Portuguese colony for the AmCham Macau Ball. Authorities did not give a reason for refusing her entry, she added.
FLYING FLAGS
Earlier on Saturday, police commissioner Tang observed a flag-raising ceremony in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square, according to video footage carried by Hong Kong broadcaster Cable TV.
“I am very excited to see the country’s flag fly and to feel the country’s greatness,” he told reporters. “I would like to thank … President Xi Jinping (for his) unwavering support of the Hong Kong police strictly enforcing the law.”
In Hong Kong, several hundred pro-Beijing supporters waved Chinese flags and played mainland hymns to show support for the government and condemn violence.
“We saw all the damages, all the wreckages, all the barricades on the roads, created by those yellow (pro-democracy) groups, the rioters, and we just couldn’t stand it anymore,” said Virginia Cheung, 54, a retired civil servant.
Xu Enlai, a 72-year old retired construction worker who moved to Hong Kong from the mainland 45 years ago, also denounced violence.
“I think Hong Kong police are doing very well … The police are safeguarding our society here,” he said.
(Additional reporting by Nanling Fang in Beijing and Anne Marie Roantree in HONG KONG; Writing by Noah Sin in Hong Kong; Editing by Catherine Evans)
https://www.oann.com/hong-kong-police-to-take-both-hard-and-soft-approaches-against-protests-commissioner/

Takes a single match to light a forest on fire. The troublemakers are going to be what they are. I don't understand people like that and never will.

At any rate, we shall see.

Kathianne
12-07-2019, 05:13 PM
The troublemakers have been the police. Even the AP has acknowledged that after the issues leading up to the elections.

Gunny
12-07-2019, 05:21 PM
The troublemakers have been the police. Even the AP has acknowledged that after the issues leading up to the elections.Guess we just aren't going to see eye to eye on this one. Protesters are the troublemakers by definition. Police restore order. In an authoritarian state, they are heavy handed. Like here. Only they're heavy-handed here when they're a the wrong house.

I've been to Hong Kong. I also lived here during the 60s and 70s. I'm just not buying the evil state is roughing up the Polly Purebread protesters for no reason.

Kathianne
12-07-2019, 07:13 PM
Guess we just aren't going to see eye to eye on this one. Protesters are the troublemakers by definition. Police restore order. In an authoritarian state, they are heavy handed. Like here. Only they're heavy-handed here when they're a the wrong house.

I've been to Hong Kong. I also lived here during the 60s and 70s. I'm just not buying the evil state is roughing up the Polly Purebread protesters for no reason.
Normally I would agree that having lived there makes a difference, though considering your age then and the changes over that many years? Not this time.

I’ve watched and read what’s been happening since June, including talking with folks there now. The police were held in very high regard thru July. No more. First they’ve been infiltrated by cop. Second they’ve become brutal, shooting two captives point blank; using water cannons laced with acid; they’ve been caught on tape raping and let off with reprimand.

Over the the past two months many countries, including the United States have recognized there is a problem with China. It’s beyond Hong Kong, but it includes HK.

Kathianne
12-08-2019, 01:05 AM
https://www.ricemedia.co/current-affairs-features-beijing-china-hong-kong-protests/?fbclid=IwAR1iLqVte6dptS1wkkdQ_BHnVo0f-swq_xA0W31vQoGRxMaKumyvZgBXZsQ


I Interviewed a Man From Beijing Who Was At the Frontlines of the Hong Kong Protests

All images by Tommy Walker. Before June 2019, the scenes on the streets of Hong Kong couldn’t have been more different. An international hub for visitors all over the world and a local population of over 7 million, Hong Kong was its typical self, a high-energy city packed with people. From the worn streets and creaking buildings of Kowloon to the impressive skyscrapers on Hong Kong Island, the super-city showed a story of two worlds.

That world, day after day, included millions of Mainland Chinese visitors filling up the sidewalks. The influx of tourists from Mainland China has been a regular occurrence since the handover in ’97, but before June, things were easier. In 2018, the new bullet train opened from Beijing to Austin Station, Kowloon, that takes only 7 hours to arrive. This was coupled with the unveiling of the controversial Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau Bridge—55km long and $18 billion in costs—providing visitors with easier access than ever to the western-influenced bright lights of Hong Kong.

Today, six months after the well-publicised unrest in Hong Kong, visitors from the mainland have dropped dramatically. In October 2019 alone, there was a 45.9% decrease from the year prior. The streets of Hong Kong have been replaced with public outcries, graffiti freedom slogans, and damage to roads and buildings. Mainlanders are turning away from Hong Kong not only for fear for their safety, but because it’s no longer an attractive destination for business and leisure. Mainland Chinese stores have been purposely attacked whilst some quarters of the city show stark remnants from intense demonstrations.

Yet, one man from the mainland decided to visit Hong Kong despite the current social climate. Christopher from Beijing was a curious tourist on a long weekend trip. Finding a Mainland Chinese citizen at the frontline of a protest was a rarity.

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Kathianne
12-20-2019, 05:40 PM
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/hongkong-protests-extradition-narrative/?fbclid=IwAR068JI9IIUF7T2_h9S4BlpOMBG_vwZECkqZEPzM kzKLESIbJT1e3J0kyo0

Kathianne
12-24-2019, 01:48 PM
The Chinazis don’t stop!
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/12/24/hong-kong-police-protesters-class-christmas-eve/