President Trump Restores First Amendment Protected ‘Right To Pray’ In Public Schools

[jimnyc]

Fantastic! Folks that don't want to, then don't. But I'm growing tired of folks demanding it stop when they don't have anything to do with it and don't have to at all.

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President Trump Restores First Amendment Protected ‘Right To Pray’ In Public Schools

President Trump ordered the removal of Obama-era discriminatory federal regulations that prohibited students and teachers from praying in public schools.

This action safeguards the First Amendment rights of students and teachers to practice their faith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSRLNWPpYUI&feature=emb_logo

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/must-see-president-trump-restores-first-amendment-protected-right-to-pray-in-public-schools/

[Kathianne]

Bottom line is that kids always have been able to pray in school. What they are not allowed to do is have others pressured. I think more to the point of rights are kids that voluntarily wish to pray together for sporting events or the like. No one is being coerced, but peer pressure might come into play.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Fantastic! Folks that don't want to, then don't. But I'm growing tired of folks demanding it stop when they don't have anything to do with it and don't have to at all.

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President Trump Restores First Amendment Protected ‘Right To Pray’ In Public Schools

President Trump ordered the removal of Obama-era discriminatory federal regulations that prohibited students and teachers from praying in public schools.

This action safeguards the First Amendment rights of students and teachers to practice their faith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSRLNWPpYUI&feature=emb_logo

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/must-see-president-trump-restores-first-amendment-protected-right-to-pray-in-public-schools/


""President Trump ordered the removal of Obama-era discriminatory federal regulations that prohibited students and teachers from praying in public schools.""

obama era-- say no more.....
Removing crap set by that lying , dishonorable, corrupt, traitorous, muslim dogturd..... - :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:-Tyr

[Gunny]

Fantastic! Folks that don't want to, then don't. But I'm growing tired of folks demanding it stop when they don't have anything to do with it and don't have to at all.

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President Trump Restores First Amendment Protected ‘Right To Pray’ In Public Schools

President Trump ordered the removal of Obama-era discriminatory federal regulations that prohibited students and teachers from praying in public schools.

This action safeguards the First Amendment rights of students and teachers to practice their faith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSRLNWPpYUI&feature=emb_logo

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/must-see-president-trump-restores-first-amendment-protected-right-to-pray-in-public-schools/Completely agree with your comment.

[STTAB]

Yep , wonderful news


Until Muslim students start demanding their right to pray to Allah twice during each school day.

[Gunny]

Yep , wonderful news


Until Muslim students start demanding their right to pray to Allah twice during each school day.Valid point. But I'm okay with telling them no :)

[Abbey Marie]

Yep , wonderful news


Until Muslim students start demanding their right to pray to Allah twice during each school day.

How long do these prayers take to say?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

How long do these prayers take to say?

I ask who cares? Islam does not allow Christian prayers in its schools-- so why should we?
This was founded as a Christian nation. Our Constitution is based upon Judeo-Christian precepts/beliefs/morality/freedoms.
None of which Islam recognizes as rights or inherent freedoms of man!
It is always going to come down to the reality that we must not allow -them- to destroy our beliefs in order to install their tyranny and oppression of freedom of religion-- freedom of religion they do not allow!!
Equality be damned- they represent total intolerance/murder, savagery and evil.
They represent slavery.
We must not allow them to use our freedoms to be able to position themselves to destroy our freedoms.
First we must understand and know that is their sole goal.
And one they have along history of installing by murdering, raping, pillaging and destroying all that oppose it!
Star Trek the Borg have nothing on them...
Islam in its long history of conquest has murdered over 250 million people(that is the lowest estimate not the highest).
They seek our total destruction- fairness can go straight to hell--with them...
So says a real American.... -Tyr

[STTAB]

Valid point. But I'm okay with telling them no :)


Gunny telling Christians they can pray in school but telling Muslims that they can not is a blatant violation of the Muslims first amendment rights, not to mention their 14th Amendment rights.

Now I've seen that another poster has said " fuck them I don't care about Muslims" well woop de doo, we aren't a country that respects only the rights of people we agree with, that's exactly what the fuck liberals are doing to Trump right now, they hate him, so they don't give a shit about his rights, and you can damn well bet that they would do the same to you or I if given the chance. Our ONLY defense against that sort of behavior is to not share that behavior. Meaning if you're gonna let Christians pray in school you damn well better let Muslims pray in school as well.

And I guarantee you that even the conservative majority SCOTUS would rule in favor of Muslims who are told they can't pray in school while Christians are allowed to.

[Kathianne]

Gunny telling Christians they can pray in school but telling Muslims that they can not is a blatant violation of the Muslims first amendment rights, not to mention their 14th Amendment rights.

Now I've seen that another poster has said " fuck them I don't care about Muslims" well woop de doo, we aren't a country that respects only the rights of people we agree with, that's exactly what the fuck liberals are doing to Trump right now, they hate him, so they don't give a shit about his rights, and you can damn well bet that they would do the same to you or I if given the chance. Our ONLY defense against that sort of behavior is to not share that behavior. Meaning if you're gonna let Christians pray in school you damn well better let Muslims pray in school as well.

And I guarantee you that even the conservative majority SCOTUS would rule in favor of Muslims who are told they can't pray in school while Christians are allowed to.
I agree with your basis of argument. At the same time, all the kids could, and some do, at various times of day. Are there calls to prayer? No, that would be a type of establishment. Are Christian kids allowed to gather and pray? No. Can they pray at their desk or in the lunchroom? Yes, provided they are not disruptive or having others join which would be a type of establishment.

The questions of fairness for others and establishment have come mostly, if not exclusively in extracurricular activities, most often with an adult leading a team or club in some way.

[icansayit]

How long do these prayers take to say?


During my time in Saudi Arabia during Operation Desert Storm, and in Bahrain where Muslims are the majority. They openly pray FIVE times a day. If you are outside during those prayers. They are BROADCAST from speakers placed around the city, and you can't hear anything else...they are so loud (intentionally). It is an eerie sound, almost scary at times with the screaming voices that extend certain tones in a way that is part screaming, and part something else. I have no idea how many times they would openly pray in school. But part of their prayers includes kneeling on a personal rug about 4 x 4 feet. Remember....FIVE TIMES A DAY UNTIL SUNSET.
Just got this off of Youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OBlmHfxTGw

[STTAB]

I agree with your basis of argument. At the same time, all the kids could, and some do, at various times of day. Are there calls to prayer? No, that would be a type of establishment. Are Christian kids allowed to gather and pray? No. Can they pray at their desk or in the lunchroom? Yes, provided they are not disruptive or having others join which would be a type of establishment.

The questions of fairness for others and establishment have come mostly, if not exclusively in extracurricular activities, most often with an adult leading a team or club in some way.


See, I personally DO believe a football coach, for example, should be able to lead his team in prayer. no matter the religion, and that those students who oppose praying or whatever should be told "tough shit just stand there for 1 minute and be quiet then"

But I 100% believe that if you are going to allow a Christian coach to do that then you must also allow a Muslim coach to do so, and THAT does away with the establishment problem. And let's be real the ONLY people who do oppose that sort of thing are the shit bags who just want to cause problems for whatever religion. A Christian coach isn't likely to ask him team to pray unless the vast majority of his kids are Christians and likewise with a Muslim coach. Etc etc.

I mean look even in this thread there are supposed small government conservatives posting "fuck the Muslims, I'd tell them they can't do what Christians do" apparently not understanding that the entire point of the first amendment is that all religions have the same rights and the entire point of the fourteenth amendment is to ensure that all people are equally protected by the law.

So , if you don't want Muslims praying in school the only logical, fair, and legal way to prevent it is to tell Christians they can't pray in school either.

And the people who aren't smart enough to understand the long term ramifications of this are just sad. Same argument I made with gay marriage, if you allow the government to make it illegal you have now empowered the government to define marriage and so don't be overly surprised if they one day show up and say straights can't get married. Same thing here, if today you tell Muslims that even though Christians can pray at school they can't , don't be surprised if one day the government says "Christians can't pray at school even though Muslims can"

[Kathianne]

See, I personally DO believe a football coach, for example, should be able to lead his team in prayer. no matter the religion, and that those students who oppose praying or whatever should be told "tough shit just stand there for 1 minute and be quiet then"

But I 100% believe that if you are going to allow a Christian coach to do that then you must also allow a Muslim coach to do so, and THAT does away with the establishment problem. And let's be real the ONLY people who do oppose that sort of thing are the shit bags who just want to cause problems for whatever religion. A Christian coach isn't likely to ask him team to pray unless the vast majority of his kids are Christians and likewise with a Muslim coach. Etc etc.

I mean look even in this thread there are supposed small government conservatives posting "fuck the Muslims, I'd tell them they can't do what Christians do" apparently not understanding that the entire point of the first amendment is that all religions have the same rights and the entire point of the fourteenth amendment is to ensure that all people are equally protected by the law.

So , if you don't want Muslims praying in school the only logical, fair, and legal way to prevent it is to tell Christians they can't pray in school either.

And the people who aren't smart enough to understand the long term ramifications of this are just sad. Same argument I made with gay marriage, if you allow the government to make it illegal you have now empowered the government to define marriage and so don't be overly surprised if they one day show up and say straights can't get married. Same thing here, if today you tell Muslims that even though Christians can pray at school they can't , don't be surprised if one day the government says "Christians can't pray at school even though Muslims can"
From my understanding the point of the establishment clause is that the founders were much better at knowing they didn't know the future than the are given credit for. Yes, at the time this country was mainly Christian with Judaeo influence. Today, that is still tangentially true, though non-believers or skeptics are closing in as majority. Other religions, Islam as so many fear, are growing in percentages. That the establishment clause has been for the most part held has set a precedent that will protect all minorities down the road, including Christians should that be the case.

I have always found it interesting that so many of those that claim to be constitutionalists, are so quick to want to jettison it when convenient to their contrary beliefs.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

From my understanding the point of the establishment clause is that the founders were much better at knowing they didn't know the future than the are given credit for. Yes, at the time this country was mainly Christian with Judaeo influence. Today, that is still tangentially true, though non-believers or skeptics are closing in as majority. Other religions, Islam as so many fear, are growing in percentages. That the establishment clause has been for the most part held has set a precedent that will protect all minorities down the road, including Christians should that be the case.

I have always found it interesting that so many of those that claim to be constitutionalists, are so quick to want to jettison it when convenient to their contrary beliefs.

I was speaking with the reality that Islam seeks to use our freedoms to eventually destroy us.
And with the knowledge and forethought that--SURVIVAL- would and should override maintaining perfect equality.
Would one share ammo with an enemy to make things fair? No...
Would one do so to look good to others... NO....
Did FDR place Japanese/American citizens in concentration camps during WW2? Yes....
See, circumstances dictate extreme measures--especially circumstances that insure ones own survival.
To fail to realize that, to fail to do that -means they win and then nobody gets choice -nobody gets freedoms not authorized by the insane, totally murderous intolerant cult.
Logic and reality dictates abandonment of a right long enough to insure its future as a surviving staple on society.
As my father used to say-- "You can not save anybody if you are dead"...
Point being that, one must understand, truly realize and decide how to meet the true ,grave and murderous threat they represent...
Speaking in philosophical absolutes does not insure survival- in this case if practiced, it would insure just the opposite, IMHO.
I have spent a lifetime studying war(over 50 years), battles, generals and fighting.
Giving up temporarily an idea -in order to survive, that it may also survive, is the correct path.
As FDR chose... Yet in this specific case it is even more of a serious matter than the case in which he did just that..
Islam is totally hellbent on destroying little Satan(ISRAEL) and big Satan (USA). A fact..
Any so dedicated on destroying me and mine had better pray they do not ever face me...
As I will not hesitate for even one-millionth of a second to do whatever it takes to insure that they are the ones that do not survive...
Such is what made this nation, what has saved this nation and what must be done.
If my dedication to life, family and our future survival/safety meets not with others approval, what should that matter with me??
If something must give temporarily to insure that- then such must give....
In such a dire and deadly CASE, I will not yield to anything but my own death..
Honor, courage, integrity, self-sacrifice and survival takes precedence over all other considerations.. -Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

I ask who cares? Islam does not allow Christian prayers in its schools-- so why should we?
This was founded as a Christian nation. Our Constitution is based upon Judeo-Christian precepts/beliefs/morality/freedoms.
None of which Islam recognizes as rights or inherent freedoms of man!
It is always going to come down to the reality that we must not allow -them- to destroy our beliefs in order to install their tyranny and oppression of freedom of religion-- freedom of religion they do not allow!!
Equality be damned- they represent total intolerance/murder, savagery and evil.
They represent slavery.
We must not allow them to use our freedoms to be able to position themselves to destroy our freedoms.
First we must understand and know that is their sole goal.
And one they have along history of installing by murdering, raping, pillaging and destroying all that oppose it!
Star Trek the Borg have nothing on them...
Islam in its long history of conquest has murdered over 250 million people(that is the lowest estimate not the highest).
They seek our total destruction- fairness can go straight to hell--with them...
So says a real American.... -Tyr

My question wasn’t un-American. I was trying to find out if their prayers would be so lengthy as to be a disruption to education. AT kindly answered that question for me.

As STTAB pointed out, allowing prayer in public schools will likely have unintended consequences. Such as Muslims asserting their First Amendment rights to whip out those taxpayer-provided prayer rugs and praying in two gender-restricted provided rooms several times a day. Whether we like it or not.

At that point, the best we could hope for would probably be the argument that praying 3-5 times a day (and loudly?), is too disruptive of the education process.

As parents, we can and should raise our Christian children to know and love God, know the Bible, and pray at church and at home. And perhaps silently at school. Against all that, not-praying out loud in school won’t mean much.

[icansayit]

My question wasn’t un-American. I was trying to find out if their prayers would be so lengthy as to be a disruption to education. AT kindly answered that question for me.

As STTAB pointed out, allowing prayer in public schools will likely have unintended consequences. Such as Muslims asserting their First Amendment rights to whip out those taxpayer-provided prayer rugs and praying in two gender-restricted provided rooms several times a day. Whether we like it or not.

At that point, the best we could hope for would probably be the argument that praying 3-5 times a day (and loudly?), is too disruptive of the education process.

As parents, we can and should raise our Christian children to know and love God, know the Bible, and pray at church and at home. And perhaps silently at school. Against all that, not-praying out loud in school won’t mean much.

I am convinced, as we see in Omar's case. Allowing Muslims to create their own form of government...using their Religious beliefs, such as Sharia Laws which they are convinced...overrules our Laws, and Constitution. Their ulterior motives can be seen in taking more control of such things as Prayer in Schools and indoctrinating American children in the process. That IMO is exactly how OBL intended to Infiltrate, and take over We Western Devils, here at home.
Call me whatever you want. But nothing is more frightful to me than hearing that Loud Speaker broadcasting that SCARY so-called prayer.
Like the Sirens I heard while in the Fleet Hospital in Saudi, when Saddam sent his SCUDS over our heads...those speakers are like scratching a blackboard with your fingernails TO ME.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

My question wasn’t un-American. I was trying to find out if their prayers would be so lengthy as to be a disruption to education. AT kindly answered that question for me.

As STTAB pointed out, allowing prayer in public schools will likely have unintended consequences. Such as Muslims asserting their First Amendment rights to whip out those taxpayer-provided prayer rugs and praying in two gender-restricted provided rooms several times a day. Whether we like it or not.

At that point, the best we could hope for would probably be the argument that praying 3-5 times a day (and loudly?), is too disruptive of the education process.

As parents, we can and should raise our Christian children to know and love God, know the Bible, and pray at church and at home. And perhaps silently at school. Against all that, not-praying out loud in school won’t mean much.

Nothing un-American at all about about your question or your views expressed my friend! It is just that one can not be fair and treat as equals those that are hell-bent on destroying you... Islam is totally at war with --ALL- that is not of Islam , its decrees and world domination goal. And has been since its creation.
My words expressed reality of the situation. And did so in the terms of what war is. The sooner we see, and admit what they are--the better off we will be. They are not a religion of peace--as that is the great lie they have been able to spread(with Satan's help)...
They are the most intolerant entity on this planet and any study of the history of Islam easily and readily proves the validity of that statement.
As Gunny said in his wise reply- , I have no problem with telling them no.....
as they represent a murderous cult--not a freedom loving constitution that seeks peace and the betterment of all people.......

Winston Churchill had them nailed... with his facing the horrible truth quote...(a truth that we must face)...


https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/69212-how-dreadful-are-the-curses-which-mohammedanism-lays-on-its


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“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

― Winston Churchill, The River War
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