Great day for us rednecks!

[jimnyc]

A great day for the rednecks of the south, watching Nascar at the Daytona 500! Well, even if some of us are Yankees. And even if a ton of the drivers are from major cities not near the south. And even if the folks in attendance and tuning in on television are from all around the nation.

I myself have been a big Nascar fan for about 15 years now. But I enjoyed watching races growing up too as my Dad would often have them on.

So Trump went to the race yesterday and was the grand marshal. He gave a speech and then gave the command for the gentlemen to start their engines!

And then he lead the drivers in the ceremonial lap as leader in the presidential limousine "the Beast"! The crowd and drivers all loved him there for all of the above. Then the MSM started hating on him almost instantly for all of the above. "It's a political event" and all kinds of other crap. Of course it was! But he's still be watching and attending for many years. And regardless, he WAS there. And he met many of the drivers too. And all of the positive from it has truly once again gotten to the TDS folks and the MSM.

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NASCAR Drivers Praise Trump as ‘Man of the People’ After Daytona Visit

President Donald Trump’s attendance at the Daytona 500 on Sunday was a huge hit, both with the fans and the drivers.

The president was overwhelmed with positive remarks from NASCAR supporters. Only left-wing haters spoke ill of the visit. Indeed, a list of drivers were thrilled with the president’s attendance on Sunday.

Stewart-Haas Racing driver Clint Bowyer, for instance, praised Trump for his visit with the crew.

“Not going to lie, I had no idea what to expect,” Bower wrote. “The man walked in shook all our hands, took selfies, and whatever we asked of him. I judge people on how they treat me and others I’m with, and that’s why I really appreciated meeting @POTUS. thanks for coming to #DAYTONA500.”

https://i.imgur.com/o0I7iXf.png

Fellow Stewart-Haas driver Aric Almirola also expressed his gratitude for the president’s support.

https://i.imgur.com/AtlwWZP.png

Chip Ganassi Racing driver Kurt Busch even insisted that Donald Trump is a “man of the people.”

“Plain and simple,” Busch tweeted on Sunday, “Donald Trump is a man of the people. Thank you & @FLOTUS for coming to the #Daytona500. Your presence and speech had these 100k fans all pumped up!”

https://i.imgur.com/gJAeQ4g.png

NASCAR teen sensation Hailee Deegan was also thrilled to meet the president. Deegan, 18, who made her NASCAR debut this year, tweeted ahead of the weekend that she hoped to get the president to autograph her helmet.

https://i.imgur.com/oqbCCqC.png

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2020/02/17/nascar-drivers-praise-trump-man-people-after-daytona-visit/

[High_Plains_Drifter]

So Denny Hamlin wins the Daytona 500 for the second year in a row. Boos can be heard by the crowd after he emerges from his car and pumps a fist in the air.

Never saw so many crashes and dirty driving in a car race in my life. One crash right after another. I think a lot of these drivers are actually rather young, and egos really play a part in their driving. Course maybe they're having a hard time adjusting to the new extra 150hp they have over last year too.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The more Trump scores with the common man, the more such worthless ilk hates him. These vermin must have a bottomless pit when it comes the hating. As they never run out of it when it comes to President Trump! My best guess is they are by any decent standard faithful in the wickedness and arrogance that deludes them into thinking themselves as Gods looking down upon we rabble that work for a living and want better for this nation, our families while we we go about trying to live in peace and secure a better future for ourselves, our loved ones and this divinely blessed nation as it was founded!
Truth is the dem party itself is a party of hate and treason-- a sad and tragic fact.. -Tyr

[SassyLady]

So Denny Hamlin wins the Daytona 500 for the second year in a row. Boos can be heard by the crowd after he emerges from his car and pumps a fist in the air.

Never saw so many crashes and dirty driving in a car race in my life. One crash right after another. I think a lot of these drivers are actually rather young, and egos really play a part in their driving. Course maybe they're having a hard time adjusting to the new extra 150hp they have over last year too.

The boos were because he was doing burn out while Ryan Newman was on fire and possibly dead. However, he had no idea how bad it was at the time. I haven't been that sick to my stomach since Earnhardt crashed and died 19 years ago. His car flipped upside down and was sliding in roof when he was t-boned on drivers side at 200 mph. Latest update he's in serious but not life threatening condition.

The finish was great racing. Newman tried to block right before finish line and got tagged then flipped. Hard racing. Daytona always has wrecks in last few laps. Bump drafting will do that if faster cars are behind. As for egos ... it is a prestigious race and biggest purse .... as for the youngsters (rookies) ... they didn't cause the crashes. I believe all but one crash happened in last 15 laps.

Who do you think did dirty driving?

[jimnyc]

What a shame what happened to Newman. So often happens in these types of tracks and drivers at 200mph. And as if it wasn't bad enough that he got turned and then flipped, but that as Sassy pointed out he got T-boned at an extremely high rate of speed.

They say Hamlin had no idea how bad the wreck was and that Newman was hurt. Not sure how they didn't know if even we knew as watchers. But maybe the guys in the pits and the crew chief don't get things as fast as viewers do. They all seemed worried and apologetic later on.

And Jimmie finished like in 34th, so off to another crappy year.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Who do you think did dirty driving?
All the "pushing" is what I didn't like. I was always under the impression that intentional bumping and pushing was not tolerated because getting up right behind a car and touching/pushing them usually leads to that car spinning out, as we saw in the finish. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's some fallout from that and review drivers doing it. I know some bumping and pushing can't be avoided, but when it's intentional, I don't think it's right, I think it's dirty driving.

And Hamlin didn't have anything to do with the wreck. I figured they booed because he won the race last year. Some people might have just figured it was someone else's turn... IDK.

[SassyLady]

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All the "pushing" is what I didn't like. I was always under the impression that intentional bumping and pushing was not tolerated because getting up right behind a car and touching/pushing them usually leads to that car spinning out, as we saw in the finish. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's some fallout from that and review drivers doing it. I know some bumping and pushing can't be avoided, but when it's intentional, I don't think it's right, I think it's dirty driving.

And Hamlin didn't have anything to do with the wreck. I figured they booed because he won the race last year. Some people might have just figured it was someone else's turn... IDK.

Daytona and Talledega are all about bump drafting. It's not dirty driving.


Bump drafting

Drafting is most important at NASCAR's restrictor plate (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictor_plate) tracks, Talladega Superspeedway (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talladega_Superspeedway) and Daytona International Speedway (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytona_International_Speedway), where the plates mean that much less power is available to push the large bodies through the air. Race cars reach their highest speeds on these superspeedways, so the aerodynamic forces are highest, and the effects of drafting are strongest. Since restrictor plates were first used as a safety device, their effect has changed the nature of drafting. Vehicles no longer have sufficient horsepower or throttle response to maintain their drafting speeds upon exiting the draft; they can pull out and squeeze ahead but lack the response to clear the car being passed. This negates the slingshot maneuver. As a result, passing is often the result of cooperation between two or more drivers or is achieved by sucking air off the side of the car being passed, a technique called side-drafting.[6] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drafting_(aerodynamics)#cite_note-6)
Bump drafting is a tactic used at Talladega and Daytona. The technique was initially popularized by the Archer Brothers in the SCCA (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCCA) Sportruck series during the late 1980s.[7] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drafting_(aerodynamics)#cite_note-LAT-7) It begins as normal drafting, but the following car pulls up behind the lead car and bumps into the rear of it, pushing the lead car ahead, to maintain momentum (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum).
If done roughly or in the wrong position (e.g. close to the entry of the turn), this tactic can destabilize the handling of the lead car sometimes causing a crash. Use of the tactic in this manner is known as slam drafting. Due to the danger, NASCAR has attempted to limit the bracing on bumpers on cars, disallowed bump drafting in turns, introduced "no bump zones" on certain portions of speedways where this practice is prevalent, and penalized drivers who are too rough in bump drafting. The 2010 NASCAR season allowed drivers more freedom; bump drafting was allowed anywhere, including turns.

Problems arise when a Ford tries to line up bumper with a Chevy or Toyota or vice versa. Not a perfect match which is why brands team up with other like models.




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drafting_(aerodynamics)#Bump_drafting

[High_Plains_Drifter]

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Daytona and Talledega are all about bump drafting. It's not dirty driving.

Problems arise when a Ford tries to line up bumper with a Chevy or Toyota or vice versa. Not a perfect match which is why brands team up with other like models.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drafting_(aerodynamics)#Bump_drafting
True, but drafting and "pushing" are two different things. I've watched a lot of racing in my life, more drag racing than oval track though, but this is the first time I ever heard these guys saying they're "pushing" someone.

[SassyLady]

True, but drafting and "pushing" are two different things. I've watched a lot of racing in my life, more drag racing than oval track though, but this is the first time I ever heard these guys saying they're "pushing" someone.

Yep ... that's what is happening. Getting pushed to the front ... bump drafting is a push. Been doing for years.

[SassyLady]

Ryan Newman walked out of hospital today.

What a testament to power of prayer and safety features in NASCAR today. How anyone walked away from that wreck alive is freakin' amazing.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Yep ... that's what is happening. Getting pushed to the front ... bump drafting is a push. Been doing for years.
Well, we can agree to disagree Sassy.

At 200 mph getting up behind someone without contact IS a push, but you are disrupting the air of the car in front taking away it's down force from it's rear wing, thus making it unstable, but they can go faster. But putting your car's nose on the other car's rear bumper and actually making contact and "pushing" it is another story. Intentional contact has never been something I knew as being allowed or a casual occurrence. I just see that as not only dangerous but dirty driving.

That's my two cents.

[SassyLady]

Well, we can agree to disagree Sassy.

At 200 mph getting up behind someone without contact IS a push, but you are disrupting the air of the car in front taking away it's down force from it's rear wing, thus making it unstable, but they can go faster. But putting your car's nose on the other car's rear bumper and actually making contact and "pushing" it is another story. Intentional contact has never been something I knew as being allowed or a casual occurrence. I just see that as not only dangerous but dirty driving.

That's my two cents.

Yeah ... We can agree to disagree. Restrictor plate racing almost requires bumps.


Essentially a rudimentary air restrictor, the “plate” as it is commonly referred to, limits the engine’s ability to breathe, cutting horsepower and limiting vehicle speed very effectively. So effectively in fact, when running alone at Daytona and Talladega, cars begin to approach their terminal velocity; when drag force acting on the vehicle equals the force supplied by the engine. By virtue of being close to terminal velocity, two cars close together can be faster than one car alone. Without getting too in depth into the aerodynamics at play, the leading car, by virtue of the trailing car being close, also receives a minor drag reduction in addition to the bigger drag reduction of the trailing car. A combination of the plate and this secondary draft effect (the primary being the trailing car’s speed boost) leads to the tight packs of cars seen in the Daytona 500 and other plate races.

Naturally, drivers will always look for an edge over opposition. It wasn’t long before the bump draft technique was figured out. As the name implies, the trailing car physically bumps into the car in front. By imparting some of the momentum increase provided by the draft from the trailing car to the lead car, the lead car’s velocity is increased. Similar to two pool balls colliding, this however is an elastic collision due to the two vehicles not being perfectly rigid. At 200 MPH, this manoeuvre requires a great deal of skill, and even more in the way of trust, as the consequences of a mistimed or placed bump draft are predictably violent.

https://www.claytex.com/tech-blog/simulating-daytona-500-bump-drafting/

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Yeah ... We can agree to disagree. Restrictor plate racing almost requires bumps.

https://www.claytex.com/tech-blog/simulating-daytona-500-bump-drafting/
Makes me wonder if they did away with the restricter plates, or finally went from carburetors to fuel injection like Pro Stock NHRA did last year. There's no more massive ugly hood scoops on Pro Stock NHRA. They went away last year because of the fuel injection swap.

But I heard they had an extra 150hp this year. Makes me wonder how they got that. Had to be going to fuel injection. A NASCAR engine usually had about 750hp, so now they're playing with 900. 150hp makes a big difference with acceleration.

(I think you and I would get along great if we ever met... "I'm right, no I'm right, ok, we're both right, now lets have a glass of wine... :laugh:)