Coronavirus

[Kathianne]

How odd... as if it takes a degree to know how to put a little mask over your face with rubber straps.

Do they expect people to put them on with the mask on the back of their heads? ... :laugh:
A doctor friend told me it has to do with making certain both mouth and nose are covered, indeed part of the reason surgeons wear the hats they do is to cover their ears. Then there has been the addition of googles in our lifetimes-to protect the eyes-notice the pattern?

The thing with the masks are there's a band that must fit correctly, then NOT TO TOUCH the mask afterwards, until removal. They are not comfortable and the respirator types are most uncomfortable, but one does adjust. They are also the most effective.

[Kathianne]

Just heard an analogy of war and the virus. Bottom line, both coasts are infested and the enemy is now moving towards the middle. Sounds about right.

[Drummond]

When it comes to the world coping ... the world WILL cope.

The Covid-19 virus has a mortality rate of just one percent (if the UK authorities are correct). If not, they can only be out by a percentage point or 2. The vast majority of people getting it will get through it, shrug it off, go back to leading their lives again.

Crucially -- everybody knows this. They therefore have knowledge that it's just something to get through, before normality returns. The faith people will have in this will itself ensure continued social stability.

If we were talking of a pandemic where almost everyone stood to die (!!) ... THAT could spark total anarchy. Because you could foresee the world as you know it, ending. That is NOT the case here. Far from it. Everyone knows that almost everyone will survive it.

Life, for nearly everyone, will go on .. end of story.

[Drummond]

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[Kathianne]

When it comes to the world coping ... the world WILL cope.

The Covid-19 virus has a mortality rate of just one percent (if the UK authorities are correct). If not, they can only be out by a percentage point or 2. The vast majority of people getting it will get through it, shrug it off, go back to leading their lives again.

Crucially -- everybody knows this. They therefore have knowledge that it's just something to get through, before normality returns. The faith people will have in this will itself ensure continued social stability.

If we were talking of a pandemic where almost everyone stood to die (!!) ... THAT could spark total anarchy. Because you could foresee the world as you know it, ending. That is NOT the case here. Far from it. Everyone knows that almost everyone will survive it.

Life, for nearly everyone, will go on .. end of story.

That is likely true. Again, Americans-at least some-are different. We don't trust the government, likely less than ever before, which really IS saying a lot. More ammunition was sold with this crisis, maybe more than toilet paper:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ammunition-sales-soar-response-coronavirus-133400231.html

That is not a good idea for Yahoo news.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

A doctor friend told me it has to do with making certain both mouth and nose are covered, indeed part of the reason surgeons wear the hats they do is to cover their ears. Then there has been the addition of googles in our lifetimes-to protect the eyes-notice the pattern?

The thing with the masks are there's a band that must fit correctly, then NOT TO TOUCH the mask afterwards, until removal. They are not comfortable and the respirator types are most uncomfortable, but one does adjust. They are also the most effective.
I would think that the masks I have are virtually identical to the little simple masks everyone is wearing that I have had for years for painting. They have a little band of metal along the top that you form down over the bridge of your nose for a tight fit. I also have a double filter respirator, and I think it's quite comfortable. I've used it many times...

https://i.ibb.co/qB62KZp/20200312-194728.jpg (https://ibb.co/9nPd6MW)

I can't find any of my little masks, I might be out. But I'll definitely wear that respirator if I have to. I'd rather wear that than the little paper masks. I see the respirators are in stock on Amazon.

[Kathianne]

I would think that the masks I have are virtually identical to the little simple masks everyone is wearing, that I have had for years for painting. The have a little band of metal along the top that you form down over the bridge of your nose for a tight fit. I also have a double filter respirator, and I think it's quite comfortable. I've used it many times...

https://i.ibb.co/qB62KZp/20200312-194728.jpg (https://ibb.co/9nPd6MW)

I can't find any of my little masks, I might be out. But I'll definitely wear that respirator if I have to. I'd rather wear that than the little paper masks. I see those are in stock on Amazon.
From what I've heard, the little masks are ok, but do NOT protect against viruses.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

From what I've heard, the little masks are ok, but do NOT protect against viruses.
Same here... it's better for those who are infected to wear them than those who are not, so they don't spread their breath, especially if they cough or sneeze.

A woman coughed right in front of me as I approached an isle just today in WalMart, and I was tempted to say, Ma'am, you should cover your mouth when you cough, but instead I just did an about face and walked the other direction.

[Kathianne]

I keep trying to sneak in a bit of humor in this very depressing thread:

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75223651_3611751815533955_6350521390981971968_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=fCM8lKaFAL4AX-P3Etu&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=e2a7ed1bdb52294512c5a928cabc015c&oe=5EA5442B

[Kathianne]

I mean why would we trust Iran/China, when we don't trust our government? Hell, they make DC look nearly wholesome:

https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/03/12/satellite-images-iran-show-massive-burial-pits-coronavirus-victims/


Iran: Satellite Images Show Massive Burial Pits For Coronavirus Victims
JOHN SEXTONPosted at 3:21 pm on March 12, 2020


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[High_Plains_Drifter]

........... :laugh:

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Coronavirus Is Causing 38% of Americans to Avoid Corona Beer. Great, More for Us.

Just yesterday, my coworkers and I were standing around the office, shooting the shit about, what else, coronavirus. Did weird cat-weasels called civets spread it? Who on the staff would be most likely to self-quarantine just so they could hang out in bed? Is Cher okay? Lotta questions, so, like the enterprising digital journalists we are, we looked up a reputable source (here's one!) and got most of them. Ah, nothing like a little research from science-based sources to ease anxiety.

We also found found a CNN report on a survey conducted by 5W Public Relations that found that 38 percent of Americans would not order a Corona beer "under any circumstances" because of the coronavirus outbreak. This is misinformed and stupid. Corona beer can bestow upon you a light buzz and give you gas because you chugged it so fast. Add a lime (no relation to Lyme disease), and you've cut down on your chances of catching scurvy (maybe?). Corona beer cannot, however, give you coronavirus, as there is no known link between Corona beers and coronavirus. Corona is Spanish means "crown," and the virus in question has spikes on it like a crown.

https://www.esquire.com/food-drink/drinks/a31154824/coronavirus-americans-not-buying-corona-beer/

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Just GREAT... now they're saying we're ALL going to catch it sooner or later... just GREAT... in other words, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE! Hang onto your hats ladies and gentleman, because I think we're in for a BUMPY RIDE!

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CDC Official: ‘We Do Not Expect Most People to Develop Serious Illness’

Nancy Messonnier, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters on a conference call on Tuesday that health experts “do not expect most people to develop serious illness.”

In her opening remarks, Messonnier explained that there are two different risk pools for contracting coronavirus.

“Risk can be looked at in two ways,” Messonnier said.“There is risk of being exposed and getting sick from this virus, and there is risk of getting very sick or dying from illness with this virus.”

She explained that because no one can have immunity against a new virus, coronavirus will makes it way through the population.

“Based on this, it’s fair to say that as the trajectory of the outbreak continues, many people in the United States will at some point in time either this year or next be exposed to this virus, and there’s a good chance many will become sick,” Messonnier said.

She also explained who is most at risk for developing a potentially deadly case of coronavirus.

“Reports out of China that looked at more than 70,000 COVID-19 patients found that about 80 percent of illness had — was mild and people recovered,” Messonnier said. “Fifteen to 20 percent developed serious illness.”

“Let’s talk about who those people are,” Messonnier said. “So far it seems like it’s not children.”

“Of the 70,000 cases, only about two percent were in people younger than 19,” Messonnier said. “This seems to be a disease that affects adults. And most seriously older adults.”

“Starting at age 60, there is an increasing risk of disease and the risk increases with age,” Messonnier said. “The highest risk of serious illness and death is in people older than 80 years.”

She said people with serious underlying health conditions like diabetes, heart disease, or lung disease “are more likely to develop serious outcomes including death.”

Messonnier called on reporters to tell the public that people should have a plan for their families, including making sure medical prescriptions are filled and basic supplies are on hand.

That said, Messonnier also called on calm and common sense.

(Ya... sure... CALM DOWN PEOPLE, you're ALL going to catch it, and MANY OF YOU WILL DIE, but CALM DOWN... pfft... what utter GARBAGE.)

“This is a time for people to prepare for what they might need to do but not a time for people to clear out the shelves,” Messonnier said. “And I really want to focus on the United States and the families at highest risk because in the setting where it’s really clear that it is older Americans who are at the highest risk right now, we want to make sure that they’re taking every precaution to prepare themselves so that if there is more widespread transmission, they can stick close to home.”

She also said that masks are not recommended and should be reserved for healthcare workers who will need them when dealing with patients who have coronavirus.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/11/cdc-official-we-do-not-expect-most-people-to-develop-serious-illness/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3t3u-_9abjoOu_6wKCEpl8f6UKqTGAoM9OVCRDjzpkSJC0QEvfLHCeC ds

[Kathianne]

I'm pretty sure we'd hit the million mark worldwide soon, IF there were ways to know how many actually died in China and Iran. The mass graves in Iran don't bode well. Then there is the more than likely scenario that China cremated many of its dead. Italy is already over 1k.

As for the masks, where the 'regular people,' those supposedly too dumb to use them do so, the graph flattens-exactly what is wanted to occur, buying time. . .

[Kathianne]

First person accounts from 1918 Spanish Flu:

https://www.wate.com/health/coronavirus/east-tn-historians-reflect-on-1918-flu-pandemic-amid-coronavirus-concerns/

Really is fascinating:


“We thought we’d heard about it in other places. We thought we were kind of dodging a bullet and then suddenly in October, around October 3rd, 1918 suddenly a few local soldiers got sick and within about two weeks 6,000 people in Knoxville were sick with the Spanish flu,” said Jack Neely, Executive Director of Knoxville History Project.


Neely says it was a challenging time in Knoxville as WWI was happening overseas, “There were some weeks where more people were dying here than dying in Europe.”


The 1918 flu, also called the Spanish flu, encouraged city leaders to take precautions.


“Chilhowee Park had unfortunately just opened up Tennessee Valley Fair, which was called East Tennessee Division Fair. The city first said to close the fair after two or three days. They lost a lot of money that year,” said Neely.

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[Kathianne]

a grin:

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89912392_3535050423236988_5565264205197606912_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=s48dB25gf1sAX9j1kjT&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=1a5ea6ad8b92c5d10e98edac3c3320d2&oe=5EA28809

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I'm pretty sure we'd hit the million mark worldwide soon, IF there were ways to know how many actually died in China and Iran. The mass graves in Iran don't bode well. Then there is the more than likely scenario that China cremated many of its dead. Italy is already over 1k.

As for the masks, where the 'regular people,' those supposedly too dumb to use them do so, the graph flattens-exactly what is wanted to occur, buying time. . .
I don't buy this slowing of the virus in China. I think it's not the truth... otherwise why would the CDC be telling us we're ALL going to come in contact with it sooner or later? If that's true here, then it's true in China, it's true everywhere. So... what is the truth? Maaaan... I don't like this... got a bad feeling.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I think Coronavirus should be renamed the SCROOGE VIRUS, to kill off the SURPLUS POPULATION.

[Kathianne]

Even though Newsweek, this is a good article with advice:

https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797?fbclid=IwAR22D0WNqIGyFLUNXIUj7DaNjcz9DJsRe WQeAueF7MKOPf095rnMu_PKCFM

[SassyLady]

Just GREAT... now they're saying we're ALL going to catch it sooner or later... just GREAT... in other words, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE! Hang onto your hats ladies and gentleman, because I think we're in for a BUMPY RIDE!

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CDC Official: ‘We Do Not Expect Most People to Develop Serious Illness’

Nancy Messonnier, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters on a conference call on Tuesday that health experts “do not expect most people to develop serious illness.”

In her opening remarks, Messonnier explained that there are two different risk pools for contracting coronavirus.

“Risk can be looked at in two ways,” Messonnier said.“There is risk of being exposed and getting sick from this virus, and there is risk of getting very sick or dying from illness with this virus.”

She explained that because no one can have immunity against a new virus, coronavirus will makes it way through the population.

“Based on this, it’s fair to say that as the trajectory of the outbreak continues, many people in the United States will at some point in time either this year or next be exposed to this virus, and there’s a good chance many will become sick,” Messonnier said.

She also explained who is most at risk for developing a potentially deadly case of coronavirus.

“Reports out of China that looked at more than 70,000 COVID-19 patients found that about 80 percent of illness had — was mild and people recovered,” Messonnier said. “Fifteen to 20 percent developed serious illness.”

“Let’s talk about who those people are,” Messonnier said. “So far it seems like it’s not children.”

“Of the 70,000 cases, only about two percent were in people younger than 19,” Messonnier said. “This seems to be a disease that affects adults. And most seriously older adults.”

“Starting at age 60, there is an increasing risk of disease and the risk increases with age,” Messonnier said. “The highest risk of serious illness and death is in people older than 80 years.”

She said people with serious underlying health conditions like diabetes, heart disease, or lung disease “are more likely to develop serious outcomes including death.”

Messonnier called on reporters to tell the public that people should have a plan for their families, including making sure medical prescriptions are filled and basic supplies are on hand.

That said, Messonnier also called on calm and common sense.

(Ya... sure... CALM DOWN PEOPLE, you're ALL going to catch it, and MANY OF YOU WILL DIE, but CALM DOWN... pfft... what utter GARBAGE.)

“This is a time for people to prepare for what they might need to do but not a time for people to clear out the shelves,” Messonnier said. “And I really want to focus on the United States and the families at highest risk because in the setting where it’s really clear that it is older Americans who are at the highest risk right now, we want to make sure that they’re taking every precaution to prepare themselves so that if there is more widespread transmission, they can stick close to home.”

She also said that masks are not recommended and should be reserved for healthcare workers who will need them when dealing with patients who have coronavirus.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/11/cdc-official-we-do-not-expect-most-people-to-develop-serious-illness/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3t3u-_9abjoOu_6wKCEpl8f6UKqTGAoM9OVCRDjzpkSJC0QEvfLHCeC ds

Just make sure you have your affairs in order so children aren't left with a mess and make sure every day is a good day to die.

Or, stay home and follow guidelines. I have no plans to go to town for next 2 weeks.

I really do need to go get some veggie plants though. Now is the time to plant!

[FakeNewsSux]

I'm pretty sure we'd hit the million mark worldwide soon, IF there were ways to know how many actually died in China and Iran. The mass graves in Iran don't bode well.

And don't ever forget, both China and Iran have single payer, government run national healthcare systems and cheerleader/propaganda media.

https://www.ccn.com/billionaire-whistleblower-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-is-over-50000/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1249856/Iran-crisis-coronavirus-death-toll-cover-up-covid-19-latest-news

[FakeNewsSux]

Keeping with the "keep it light" theme:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY8-N8-pn1I

[Kathianne]

:laugh2:

[FakeNewsSux]

Why not hop on board the Blame Trump Train?:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI-9v-TdshU

[Kathianne]

I'm so into this sentiment:

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89774382_1551446288357376_757659366617776128_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=_FiA9owh_4AAX-qkwI8&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=95b38d812c7a41d01eff8ea5298597a9&oe=5E8EDD3C

[FakeNewsSux]

I couldn't resist one more:

https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/03/IMG_2632.jpeg?resize=480%2C600&ssl=1

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Just make sure you have your affairs in order so children aren't left with a mess and make sure every day is a good day to die.

Or, stay home and follow guidelines. I have no plans to go to town for next 2 weeks.

I really do need to go get some veggie plants though. Now is the time to plant!
I'm probably about as well off as anyone can be to avoid this crap. I'm pretty well isolated. No one coming and going from my place either. Other than having to go over to Ma's Saturday to install the security system, I don't have to go anywhere. I could hole up here at my place for months if it was absolutely necessary. Sure I'd run out of milk and bread and whatnot, but I could live without it.

I've been "prepping" for years. I figure I'm as ready as I'll ever be for a bad situation.

[Kathianne]

We've touched on China and supply chain, especially medical. This article puts the importance of working to never letting essential goods be made abroad in such an exclusive way again.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-deny-americans-coronavirus-drugs


China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Barnini Chakraborty By Barnini Chakraborty


Now that the number of new people infected with the coronavirus in China is slowing down, the country's Communist Party is ratcheting up threats against the West, with a particularly nasty warning about access to life-saving drugs aimed at the United States.


In an article in Xinhua, the state-run media agency that's largely considered the mouthpiece of the party, Beijing bragged about its handling of COVID-19, a virus that originated in the city of Wuhan and has spread quickly around the world, killing nearly 5,000 people and infecting thousands more. The article also claimed that China could impose pharmaceutical export controls which would plunge America into "the mighty sea of coronavirus."

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As the rest of the world scrambles to contain the virus and protect its citizens, China has been busy casting itself in the role of global hero going so far as to demand a thank you for containing the virus as long as it did.


"We should say righteously that the U.S. owes China an apology, the world owes China a thank you," an editorial in Xinhua read.

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[Kathianne]

Alaska gets its first case:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/alaska-officials-announce-1st-case-of-coronavirus-in-state

Some good news here, for those in Alaska:


A man has tested positive for the new coronavirus in Alaska, the first such case in the state, officials said Thursday.


Gov. Mike Dunleavy’s office said the individual arrived in Anchorage Wednesday. The state’s chief medical officer, Dr. Anne Zink, described the man as a foreign national who had come through the airport, identified symptoms that could be consistent with COVID-19, contacted his health provider, isolated himself and made arrangements to be assessed.




While experts still were gathering details, Zink said this is a case officials believe they can contain. The case would be sent to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for confirmation, Zink said.


“This is not someone who’s been wandering through the community,” she said.

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[Drummond]

From the CDC: 'Face masks aren't useful for regular people. Medical people need them. Regular people would use them wrong. Medical people are trained in proper way to use.

Medical people are the same as regular people, the only difference is they were taught how to use them.

Let's use Hong Kong for example, shall we? Hong Kongers have been using the masks since November in huge numbers, (which may be a tip off to when China started a noticeable problem?) It's part of China, indeed China sends huge numbers of mainlanders there to try and quell the disturbances. Yet, Hong Kong has how many infections and deaths?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/12/814522489/singapore-wins-praise-for-its-covid-19-strategy-the-u-s-does-not

Now it's not without cases, but they have MITIGATED the problem and bought time. Shouldn't the US learn from that?

Interesting point.

Then again -- Covid-19 isn't supposed to do well in hot conditions. Where is Hong Kong ? How good is their climate ?

I just checked their temperature on Accuweather. Today's high will be 26 degrees C, or 79 degrees F.

Singapore is only a couple of degrees from the equator, and, summer or winter, their temperatures stick to the 80-90 degree F mark. So; they had their outbreak, reaching them from China in January. The current figure of the number of infections there, this over almost a 2 month period, is 103.

The UK outbreak started almost a month later; it was still in single figures on 10th February, for example. As of yesterday ... 590 cases confirmed, and we calculate that the real figure is now probably closer to TEN THOUSAND. Current temperatures in the UK average out at around 10 degrees C, or 50 degrees F.

So, in half the period, our confirmed cases are almost 6 times as many as Singapore. Given the exponential nature of spread, what does all this tell you ?

It tells me what we know: that heat inhibits Covid-19.

Current discussion in the UK is whether our outbreak will subside in June-July, but reappear when winter hits.

The continent of Africa enjoys a hot climate, generally speaking. Yet, they've reported very few cases. Where are their face masks, to account for that ?

I suggest instead that their climate has made its - decisive - mark !

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Looks like some good news from Italy...

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Over 1,000 People Cured of Coronavirus in Italy

ROME — The number of people in Italy cured of COVID-19 passed the 1,000-mark on Tuesday evening as the country ended its first day of lockdown.

The latest data reported by Italian business newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore show that 8,514 people are currently infected with coronavirus in Italy, while 631 have died from the disease and 1,004 who were infected have since recovered. Some 10,149 are reported to have been infected in the country in all.

On Tuesday, the number of current cases of contagion in Italy grew by only 529, as opposed to the growth of 1,598 cases on Monday, the largest decrease since officials began monitoring the disease.

Among other encouraging news, there has not been a single case of the virus among children in Italy, with no one under the age of 18 coming down with COVID-19.

The average age of people affected by coronavirus in Italy is 69 years, with only 10 percent of cases affecting those between the ages of 20 and 50, Italian health services (ISS) reported.

According to reports from Johns Hopkins University, there have been fewer than 5,000 deaths worldwide (4,284) from COVID-19, and 65,776 who have recovered from the virus.

On Wednesday, Italy entered its second day of lockdown and police have set up checkpoints to stop drivers who venture out on the roads. Minimal travel is permitted but only for reasons that the government judges necessary. Supermarkets are open but lines have formed outside since only a limited number of clients are allowed to enter at any given time.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/11/over-1000-cured-coronavirus-italy/?fbclid=IwAR3d6el2lj_ZzWxL0eBwpL21_2BdOWzcoJ8RtP2e XoZ_U7KSMpP12UTB08A

[Kathianne]

Interesting point.

Then again -- Covid-19 isn't supposed to do well in hot conditions. Where is Hong Kong ? How good is their climate ?

I just checked their temperature on Accuweather. Today's high will be 26 degrees C, or 79 degrees F.

Singapore is only a couple of degrees from the equator, and, summer or winter, their temperatures stick to the 80-90 degree F mark. So; they had their outbreak, reaching them from China in January. The current figure of the number of infections there, this over almost a 2 month period, is 103.

The UK outbreak started almost a month later; it was still in single figures on 10th February, for example. As of yesterday ... 590 cases confirmed, and we calculate that the real figure is now probably closer to TEN THOUSAND. Current temperatures in the UK average out at around 10 degrees C, or 50 degrees F.

So, in half the period, our confirmed cases are almost 6 times as many as Singapore. Given the exponential nature of spread, what does all this tell you ?

It tells me what we know: that heat inhibits Covid-19.

Current discussion in the UK is whether our outbreak will subside in June-July, but reappear when winter hits.

The continent of Africa enjoys a hot climate, generally speaking. Yet, they've reported very few cases. I suggest that their climate has made its mark !

Maybe?
571 miDistance from Wuhan to Hong Kong


temperature in Wuhan: 62F

temperature in Hong Kong: 73F

temperature in Seattle: 41F

temperature in Venice: 56F

temperature in NYC: 68F

[Kathianne]

Mix predictions?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/why-experts-doubt-warm-weather-will-slow-coronavirus-spread.html


CORONAVIRUS MAR. 12, 2020
Why Experts Doubt Warm Weather Will Slow the Coronavirus Spread
By Matt Stieb


https://www.wbrz.com/news/warm-weather-and-covid-19-hope-on-the-horizon-/


Warm weather and COVID-19: hope on the horizon?
March 12, 2020 6:43 PM in WeatherSource: WBRZ WeatherBy: Chief Meteorologist Dr. Josh Eachus Share:


https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/what-happens-to-coronavirus-covid-19-in-warmer-spring-temperatures/


SCIENCE CORONAVIRUS COVERAGE
Will warming spring temperatures slow the coronavirus outbreak?
Flu season generally subsides in April and March, but will the coronavirus go with it? Past coronavirus outbreaks can offer clues

[Kathianne]

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/03/13/finally-trump-administration-fast-tracks-private-covid-19-test-approvals/


Finally: Trump Administration Fast-Tracks Private COVID-19 Test Approvals
ED MORRISSEY Posted at 10:01 am on March 13, 2020

[Kathianne]

Just heard a doctor say masks have evidence for being useful, shortage has made that a problem. While it may or may not prevent virus entrance, it certainly reminds folks not to touch eyes or mouth.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

What an absolutely ASININE idea. Why is it that democrats so CONSISTENTLY come up with such MORONIC ideas that would be BAD for America? Good Lord... I read crap like below and just have to wonder, are these people honest to God retarded, or do they just HATE AMERICA that much? And I'm also just plain sick and tired of hearing this RACIST and XENOPHOBIC crap. If you took buzz words away from the democrats, I swear they wouldn't be able to speak. I just see garbage like the BS below as traitorous, period. It's an attempt by the democrat party to flood America with a new uneducated, DEPENDENT horde of people that they believe will vote for them because they'll be the ones promising them FREE STUFF.

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Democrats: Suspend Immigration Enforcement Rules amid Coronavirus Epidemic

The nation’s huge population of illegal aliens may try to avoid medical treatment for China’s Wuhan virus unless President Donald Trump suspends immigration enforcement rules, say pro-migration Democrats and activists.

“The government needs to come out, and just be out, and say, ‘We’re not going to deport you,’” said Ally Bolour, a Los Angeles immigration lawyer and a member of the board of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. “This is a national health emergency crisis. … If you’re sick, come on in. We’ll take care of you,’” she told the Guardian.

Democrats are also using the epidemic to target the White House’s “public charge” rule. Democrats already oppose the rule because it is designed to exclude legal migrants who cannot provide for their own health care.

“Failure to immediately stay implementation of the Rule so that we can take the steps necessary to contain and mitigate the outbreak of the disease puts the public health and safety of our communities at increased risk,” said a March 6 letter by 15 Democrat attorneys general. The rule denies green cards to migrants who rely on federal health and welfare programs, and so it is “deterring individuals from accessing critical health benefits to which they are legally entitled,” said the letter, which claimed that “DHS’s implementation of the Public Charge Rule during this public health crisis is irresponsible and reckless.”

Democrats are using the epidemic to delegitimize migration rules, says Mark Krikorian, the director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors tighter enforcement. “There is a pragmatic way of limiting the public health fallout of the disease, and there there is the Democratic effort to undermine immigration laws, to morally stigmatize them using the virus as an excuse,” he said.

Federal officials should quietly ignore migrants’ illegal status as they try to detect, isolate, and treat all of the Americans who are infected by the epidemic, he said. “The government should make clear that they are not going to be checking legal status when they’re trying to protect public health, and it seems perfectly reasonable to say that use of public benefits [by would-be migrants], in this case, will not be factored into public charge rules.”

That no-checks policy may become painful if there is a shortage of hospital beds for sick Americans, he said. “We’re going to have to have some tough decisions if things get bad,” he said, so the goal should be to slow the disease’s spread so that hospitals can keep pace with the flood of sick Americans and sick illegal migrants, he said.

The government’s failure to enforce immigration laws for many years has created a large population of 10 million to 20 million aliens, who are mixed in the population of roughly 315 million Americans. The resulting flooded labor market keeps many of these illegal or legal aliens — and many Americans — in low-wage careers, in crowded apartments, and in service sector jobs such as restaurants.

“If you continue to discourage people from seeking services under normal circumstances, you cannot expect them necessarily to seek those services just because you as the racist, anti-immigrant president have decided that now it’s a good idea,” Max Hadler, director of health policy at the New York Immigration Coalition, told the Guardian.

Other Democrats are calling for an enforcement rollback amid the virus, even though they have also backed many pro-migration bills.

We have to proliferate the access to testing and services,” Rep. Adriano Espaillat (D-NY), whose Latino-dominated district includes many suspected victims. “If someone is undocumented — or has a green card — and they feel that they’re not eligible for any of these kinds of services, that’s just going to worsen the situation, that’s going to prevent us from really addressing the coronavirus issue in an effective way,” he told the the Hill.

“What you want in a public health situation like this is for everybody to feel comfortable coming forward if they need to come forward,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) told the Hill.

“And if we have any barriers to that, it’s not that it’s bad for them — it might be bad for them — but it’s also bad for the entire public,” said Jayapal, a former Indian migrant who argues that the nation needs a large inflow of immigrants to perform manual farm labor. Jayapal’s Seattle district has had a rash of coronavirus cases, partly because the district is home to many Chinese visa workers and legal immigrants.

“Healthcare facilities must be immigration enforcement-free zones so that immigration status does not prevent a person from seeking care,” said a statement by several hundred medical professionals. The March 2 statement continued:

The COVID-19 response should not be linked to immigration enforcement in any manner. It will undermine individual and collective health if individuals do not feel safe to utilize care and respond to inquiries from public health officials, for example during contact tracing. Similar enforcement-free zones have been declared during hurricanes and other emergencies, including after the September 11 terrorist attacks. These policies should be clearly and unequivocally articulated to the public by the federal, state, and local governments.

But some pro-migration activists are using the epidemic to argue for looser enforcement, even at the southern border where almost a million poor migrants arrived during 2019. The Hill quoted one activist who suggested that the U.S. should admit roughly 30,000 migrants who are now waiting in Mexico:

Cindy Anderson, a member of Doctors for Camp Closure — an association of medical professionals who oppose immigration detention — decried camp conditions in Matamoros, across the Rio Grande from Brownsville, Texas.

“I was in Matamoros in January and we were seeing a lot of influenza-like illness at that time. And so any kind of virus, it would spread quickly through a camp like that, just because people are in close proximity with one another,” said Anderson. “I think the big concern is if someone developed respiratory distress there that very quickly the resources will be overwhelmed.”

The New York Times editorial board added to the demands on March 5:

Proponents of closed borders and small social safety nets have a tendency to highlight the tension between citizen and noncitizen, to imply or explicitly state that the only way to help one group is to deprive the other. But the truth is, people on both sides are hanging by a thread.

Infectious diseases, especially those like Covid-19, have a knack for penetrating and exposing such false dichotomies.

“Xenophobia” might spread if the administration does not relax enforcement efforts, said the board:

If citizens struggling to cover their own health care nurture resentments against any group perceived to be getting help to which they themselves are not entitled — or worse, if they grow xenophobic and subscribe to the notion that immigrants carry diseases — they might be compelled to endorse policies even more draconian than those already in play. That would create more anxiety among noncitizen communities, which would lead to fewer people seeking medical care when they need it. From there, the epidemic would only get worse.

Pro-migration Democrats, said Krikorian, “want a broader statement that immigration laws are suspended for the duration of what they consider the emergency to be.”

But Americans need a more nuanced policy that preserves enforcement while suppressing the disease among the mixed U.S. and illegal populations. “It needs to be made clear that to get tested, you don’t have to show proof of legal residency, and if you need to be hospitalized, you will be, regardless of legal status,” he said.

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/09/democrats-suspend-immigration-enforcement-rules-amid-coronavirus-epidemic/

https://i.ibb.co/YNWDJ6P/demtrash3.jpg (https://ibb.co/CwtJ4qm)

https://i.ibb.co/3CcYxdF/no-border-walls-no-voter-id-laws-figured-it-out-yet-nancy-pelosi-chuck-schumer.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Kathianne]

NY is doing some good stuff, listening to Cuomo now, whom I do not like.

New Rochelle will have priority over new drive-up testing for Corona. 6 lanes, by appointment. Faster, safer for medical staff and anyone that may be in an ER or Dr. office. Vulnerable population also has priority, whether from New Rochelle or Westchester County. By next week they should be able to test 6k per week, this week will be lower and again, appointment is necessary. 888 number.

[Drummond]

Maybe?

temperature in Wuhan: 62F

temperature in Hong Kong: 73F

temperature in Seattle: 41F

temperature in Venice: 56F

temperature in NYC: 68F

Temperature differences in each city, for the duration-period of each area's infection ?

Hong Kong varies a bit, but generally enjoys a warmer climate. Singapore, with its total 103 confirmed cases (regarded as a major outbreak) has hovered around the 80-85 degree F mark throughout these last couple of months.

New York itself varies, from what I've seen. One week they can be expriencing snow, and the next they can be 20 degrees hotter.

The UK (with variations from north to south) tends to be uniform. We're now beginning to warm up, but, throughout our own infection period, the temperatures overall have struggled to reach double figures.

The continent of South Africa ... do you have reports of their citizens wearing masks, en masse, to show me ?

Temperature in Harare, Zimbabwe: 81 degrees F

Temperature in Durban, SA: 83 degrees F

Temperature in Lusaka, Zambia: 79 degrees F

Temperature in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia: 79 degrees F

How bad are outbreaks in continental Africa ?

Well, Africa, like everywhere else, has tourism. Disease-ridden Chinese, Europeans ... have they crippled Africa with their exports of Covid-19 ?

They ARE worried about its arrival. Even so, numbers remain low, certainly in comparison to China, Asia, or Europe.

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-could-africa-cope-outbreak-173941534.html


The continent has benefitted from the fairly slow arrival of the virus to Africa - giving its 54 countries a window to set up testing and treatment capabilities.
Coronavirus tests should be ready "within a couple of weeks" across all African nations, according to the World Health Organization.

Currently 33 of 47 sub-Saharan African countries have testing facilities, up from only two in January (in South Africa and Senegal).

In Nigeria - with two confirmed cases - the Centre for Disease Control (NCDC) is publishing daily reports with updates on cases and any ongoing contact tracing. It has a free phone number and WhatsApp number for enquires and advice.

East Africa has no confirmed cases yet, although several people have been put in quarantine as a precaution.

In Kenya, the government has opened a quarantine centre in the capital, Nairobi, for suspected cases.

In Tanzania, the health minister announced that isolation centres in the north, east and west of the country had been identified. Thermometers have been stockpiled and more than 2,000 health workers trained.

Last month, Uganda opted for regulated self-isolation at home for a number of passengers that needed to be quarantined on arrival at Entebbe airport.

They're certainly worried about big outbreaks ... but, they're just not seeing them. [The above report is just one day old, by the way]

Can you show me evidence of widespread mask usage in Africa ?

[Drummond]

What an absolutely ASININE idea. Why is it that democrats so CONSISTENTLY come up with such MORONIC ideas that would be BAD for America? Good Lord... I read crap like below and just have to wonder, are these people honest to God retarded, or do they just HATE AMERICA that much? And I'm also just plain sick and tired of hearing this RACIST and XENOPHOBIC crap. If you took buzz words away from the democrats, I swear they wouldn't be able to speak. I just see garbage like the BS below as traitorous, period. It's an attempt by the democrat party to flood America with a new uneducated, DEPENDENT horde of people that they believe will vote for them because they'll be the ones promising them FREE STUFF.

----------------------------

Democrats: Suspend Immigration Enforcement Rules amid Coronavirus Epidemic

The nation’s huge population of illegal aliens may try to avoid medical treatment for China’s Wuhan virus unless President Donald Trump suspends immigration enforcement rules, say pro-migration Democrats and activists.

“The government needs to come out, and just be out, and say, ‘We’re not going to deport you,’” said Ally Bolour, a Los Angeles immigration lawyer and a member of the board of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. “This is a national health emergency crisis. … If you’re sick, come on in. We’ll take care of you,’” she told the Guardian.

Democrats are also using the epidemic to target the White House’s “public charge” rule. Democrats already oppose the rule because it is designed to exclude legal migrants who cannot provide for their own health care.

“Failure to immediately stay implementation of the Rule so that we can take the steps necessary to contain and mitigate the outbreak of the disease puts the public health and safety of our communities at increased risk,” said a March 6 letter by 15 Democrat attorneys general. The rule denies green cards to migrants who rely on federal health and welfare programs, and so it is “deterring individuals from accessing critical health benefits to which they are legally entitled,” said the letter, which claimed that “DHS’s implementation of the Public Charge Rule during this public health crisis is irresponsible and reckless.”

Democrats are using the epidemic to delegitimize migration rules, says Mark Krikorian, the director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors tighter enforcement. “There is a pragmatic way of limiting the public health fallout of the disease, and there there is the Democratic effort to undermine immigration laws, to morally stigmatize them using the virus as an excuse,” he said.

Federal officials should quietly ignore migrants’ illegal status as they try to detect, isolate, and treat all of the Americans who are infected by the epidemic, he said. “The government should make clear that they are not going to be checking legal status when they’re trying to protect public health, and it seems perfectly reasonable to say that use of public benefits [by would-be migrants], in this case, will not be factored into public charge rules.”

That no-checks policy may become painful if there is a shortage of hospital beds for sick Americans, he said. “We’re going to have to have some tough decisions if things get bad,” he said, so the goal should be to slow the disease’s spread so that hospitals can keep pace with the flood of sick Americans and sick illegal migrants, he said.

The government’s failure to enforce immigration laws for many years has created a large population of 10 million to 20 million aliens, who are mixed in the population of roughly 315 million Americans. The resulting flooded labor market keeps many of these illegal or legal aliens — and many Americans — in low-wage careers, in crowded apartments, and in service sector jobs such as restaurants.

“If you continue to discourage people from seeking services under normal circumstances, you cannot expect them necessarily to seek those services just because you as the racist, anti-immigrant president have decided that now it’s a good idea,” Max Hadler, director of health policy at the New York Immigration Coalition, told the Guardian.

Other Democrats are calling for an enforcement rollback amid the virus, even though they have also backed many pro-migration bills.

We have to proliferate the access to testing and services,” Rep. Adriano Espaillat (D-NY), whose Latino-dominated district includes many suspected victims. “If someone is undocumented — or has a green card — and they feel that they’re not eligible for any of these kinds of services, that’s just going to worsen the situation, that’s going to prevent us from really addressing the coronavirus issue in an effective way,” he told the the Hill.

“What you want in a public health situation like this is for everybody to feel comfortable coming forward if they need to come forward,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) told the Hill.

“And if we have any barriers to that, it’s not that it’s bad for them — it might be bad for them — but it’s also bad for the entire public,” said Jayapal, a former Indian migrant who argues that the nation needs a large inflow of immigrants to perform manual farm labor. Jayapal’s Seattle district has had a rash of coronavirus cases, partly because the district is home to many Chinese visa workers and legal immigrants.

“Healthcare facilities must be immigration enforcement-free zones so that immigration status does not prevent a person from seeking care,” said a statement by several hundred medical professionals. The March 2 statement continued:

The COVID-19 response should not be linked to immigration enforcement in any manner. It will undermine individual and collective health if individuals do not feel safe to utilize care and respond to inquiries from public health officials, for example during contact tracing. Similar enforcement-free zones have been declared during hurricanes and other emergencies, including after the September 11 terrorist attacks. These policies should be clearly and unequivocally articulated to the public by the federal, state, and local governments.

But some pro-migration activists are using the epidemic to argue for looser enforcement, even at the southern border where almost a million poor migrants arrived during 2019. The Hill quoted one activist who suggested that the U.S. should admit roughly 30,000 migrants who are now waiting in Mexico:

Cindy Anderson, a member of Doctors for Camp Closure — an association of medical professionals who oppose immigration detention — decried camp conditions in Matamoros, across the Rio Grande from Brownsville, Texas.

“I was in Matamoros in January and we were seeing a lot of influenza-like illness at that time. And so any kind of virus, it would spread quickly through a camp like that, just because people are in close proximity with one another,” said Anderson. “I think the big concern is if someone developed respiratory distress there that very quickly the resources will be overwhelmed.”

The New York Times editorial board added to the demands on March 5:

Proponents of closed borders and small social safety nets have a tendency to highlight the tension between citizen and noncitizen, to imply or explicitly state that the only way to help one group is to deprive the other. But the truth is, people on both sides are hanging by a thread.

Infectious diseases, especially those like Covid-19, have a knack for penetrating and exposing such false dichotomies.

“Xenophobia” might spread if the administration does not relax enforcement efforts, said the board:

If citizens struggling to cover their own health care nurture resentments against any group perceived to be getting help to which they themselves are not entitled — or worse, if they grow xenophobic and subscribe to the notion that immigrants carry diseases — they might be compelled to endorse policies even more draconian than those already in play. That would create more anxiety among noncitizen communities, which would lead to fewer people seeking medical care when they need it. From there, the epidemic would only get worse.

Pro-migration Democrats, said Krikorian, “want a broader statement that immigration laws are suspended for the duration of what they consider the emergency to be.”

But Americans need a more nuanced policy that preserves enforcement while suppressing the disease among the mixed U.S. and illegal populations. “It needs to be made clear that to get tested, you don’t have to show proof of legal residency, and if you need to be hospitalized, you will be, regardless of legal status,” he said.

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/09/democrats-suspend-immigration-enforcement-rules-amid-coronavirus-epidemic/

https://i.ibb.co/YNWDJ6P/demtrash3.jpg (https://ibb.co/CwtJ4qm)

https://i.ibb.co/3CcYxdF/no-border-walls-no-voter-id-laws-figured-it-out-yet-nancy-pelosi-chuck-schumer.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Why do Democrats come up with such seemingly ridiculous ideas ?

It's painfully obvious, surely. THEY ARE AMERICA'S ENEMIES.

Who else but an enemy of America would suggest any RELAXATION of immigration, in any way, shape or form, when Covid-19's prevalence is principally from abroad ?

[Latest UK update of infections: 798]

[jimnyc]

So how does China have like 90,000+ AFTER all of this exploded - and they are now predicting possibly 150 million cases in the USA?


Up to 150 million Americans could get coronavirus: US projection

Washington (AFP) - Between 70 to 150 million people in the United States could eventually be infected with the novel coronavirus, according to a projection shared with Congress, a lawmaker said Thursday.

Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib made the remarks during a hearing of the House of Representatives with members of the president's coronavirus task force, confirming earlier reports by US media outlets including Axios and NBC News.

"Congress's attending physician told the Senate that he expects between 70 to 150 million people to eventually contract the coronavirus in the United States," Tlaib said.

Axios had reported that doctor Brian Monahan conveyed the projection to Senate senior staff on Tuesday, telling them they should prepare for the worst and offering advice on how to remain healthy.

The upper end of the projection is about 46 percent of the US population of 327 million people. By comparison German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned this week that up to 70 percent of her country's population could get the virus.

Rest - https://news.yahoo.com/150-million-americans-could-coronavirus-us-projection-185632345.html

[Kathianne]

Temperature differences in each city, for the duration-period of each area's infection ?

Hong Kong varies a bit, but generally enjoys a warmer climate. Singapore, with its total 103 confirmed cases (regarded as a major outbreak) has hovered around the 80-85 degree F mark throughout these last couple of months.

New York itself varies, from what I've seen. One week they can be expriencing snow, and the next they can be 20 degrees hotter.

The UK (with variations from north to south) tends to be uniform. We're now beginning to warm up, but, throughout our own infection period, the temperatures overall have struggled to reach double figures.

The continent of South Africa ... do you have reports of their citizens wearing masks, en masse, to show me ?

Temperature in Harare, Zimbabwe: 81 degrees F

Temperature in Durban, SA: 83 degrees F

Temperature in Lusaka, Zambia: 79 degrees F

Temperature in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia: 79 degrees F

How bad are outbreaks in continental Africa ?

Well, Africa, like everywhere else, has tourism. Disease-ridden Chinese, Europeans ... have they crippled Africa with their exports of Covid-19 ?

They ARE worried about its arrival. Even so, numbers remain low, certainly in comparison to China, Asia, or Europe.

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-could-africa-cope-outbreak-173941534.html



They're certainly worried about big outbreaks ... but, they're just not seeing them. [The above report is just one day old, by the way]

Can you show me evidence of widespread mask usage in Africa ?
You are welcome to do a longitudinal study of temps in cities you are interested in, I just looked up temps for today. Your point of duration really is about 'seasonal.' NYC is usually broiling in Aug. Cold in January. In either season or month, temps can easily vary 20 degrees or more.

As I looked up and gave links to, not enough is known about the virus to make valid predictions of what it will do in the months ahead, regardless of temperatures.

Hong Kong is literally hours from mainland China, which I'm quite sure you know. The differences in outcomes thus far has to do with the people. Government are the same. The difference is the mindset of the people, Hong Kongers are more self-sufficient.

[jimnyc]

So by me they have finally went bonkers and over the edge! Considering a few miles from New Rochelle, not really surprising.

Schools closes, libraries closed & now all of the local supermarkets are rationing all kinds of products now.

[jimnyc]

Near 100,000 infected in China and nearly 4,000 dead.

Now for the USA, they are predicting things to be much much worse. I really don't understand the differences between here and China.


The Worst-Case Estimate for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

Officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and epidemic experts from universities around the world conferred last month about what might happen if the new coronavirus gained a foothold in the United States. How many people might die? How many would be infected and need hospitalization?

One of the agency’s top disease modelers, Matthew Biggerstaff, presented the group on the phone call with four possible scenarios — A, B, C and D — based on characteristics of the virus, including estimates of how transmissible it is and the severity of the illness it can cause. The assumptions, reviewed by The New York Times, were shared with about 50 expert teams to model how the virus could tear through the population — and what might stop it.

The C.D.C.’s scenarios were depicted in terms of percentages of the population. Translated into absolute numbers by independent experts using simple models of how viruses spread, the worst-case figures would be staggering if no actions were taken to slow transmission.

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

And, the calculations based on the C.D.C.’s scenarios suggested, 2.4 million to 21 million people in the U.S. could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill.

The assumptions fueling those scenarios are mitigated by the fact that cities, states, businesses and individuals are beginning to take steps to slow transmission, even if some are acting less aggressively than others. The C.D.C.-led effort is developing more sophisticated models showing how interventions might decrease the worst-case numbers, though their projections have not been made public.

Rest - https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/13/the-worst-case-estimate-for-u-s-coronavirus-deaths/

[Kathianne]

So by me they have finally went bonkers and over the edge! Considering a few miles from New Rochelle, not really surprising.

Schools closes, libraries closed & now all of the local supermarkets are rationing all kinds of products now.

Did you see this, about New Rochelle/Westchester County?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?68979-Coronavirus&p=952477#post952477

[jimnyc]

Did you see this, about New Rochelle/Westchester County?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?68979-Coronavirus&p=952477#post952477

Yes! Thanks!! About dang time.

[jimnyc]

Just a 2 minutes drive from me.... "As of Thursday, New York had 328 confirmed coronavirus cases, with 148 of those in Westchester County."


As Kath referenced, in the title....

Coronavirus: Drive-thru testing site opens in New Rochelle, site of major outbreak

NEW ROCHELLE – A drive-thru coronavirus testing facility, which the governor called the first of its kind on the east coast, opened this morning in New Rochelle to start testing people for COVID-19.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Friday that testing at the site, which was being set up at Glen Island Park on the Long Island Sound Shore, will be done by appointment only.

New Rochelle residents — particularly those who have been quarantined — will be tested first, though all Westchester County residents will be eligible to make an appointment.

Special consideration will be given to people from vulnerable populations: the elderly, those with respiratory issues and those with compromised immune systems, Cuomo said.

Appointments can be made by calling 888-364-3065.

"It's prioritized for New Rochelle," Cuomo said. "Open to all Westchester residents, but prioritized for New Rochelle."

The opening of the drive-thru facility comes as the city of New Rochelle continues to deal with one of the country's biggest novel coronavirus clusters.

As of Thursday, New York had 328 confirmed coronavirus cases, with 148 of those in Westchester County.

Cuomo said the drive-thru process is designed to test quickly and limit exposure by preventing potentially positive patients from walking through hospitals and medical facilities.

Those being tested will pull up in one of six lanes, where they will be greeted by medical personnel who will take swabs and send them to BioReference Laboratories for testing.

The drive-thru was opened after the Federal Drug Administration announced it had granted New York permission to authorize 28 private labs to begin testing, a move designed to significantly increase the state's ability to identify positive coronavirus cases.

The state is working with BioReference Laboratories in hopes of running 5,000 more tests per day, in addition to what the state has already been doing. That additional testing capacity will take effect next week.

Rest - https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/new-rochelle/2020/03/13/coronavirus-drive-through-testing-starts-glen-island-park-new-rochelle/5040315002/

[Drummond]

You are welcome to do a longitudinal study of temps in cities you are interested in, I just looked up temps for today. Your point of duration really is about 'seasonal.' NYC is usually broiling in Aug. Cold in January. In either season or month, temps can easily vary 20 degrees or more.

As I looked up and gave links to, not enough is known about the virus to make valid predictions of what it will do in the months ahead, regardless of temperatures.

Hong Kong is literally hours from mainland China, which I'm quite sure you know. The differences in outcomes thus far has to do with the people. Government are the same. The difference is the mindset of the people, Hong Kongers are more self-sufficient.

My point is concerned with how Covid-19 has thrived in the climates where it has reached.

In cold climates .... it finds conditions suited to its proliferation. In warmer climates, it's inhibited. It is temperature that really counts.

My example of continental Africa is one where Covid-19 finds conditions not ideal for it, so it IS inhibited. The wearing of face masks isn't seen in Africa, YET, the inhibition continues.

So .. why doesn't the absence of face masks counter the higher temperatures, and elevate its spread ? Why can't it take advantage of missing face masks ??

Answer: because masks don't make the difference you suppose that they do.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

They're talking about the New Rochelle drive thoughs right now on the news, and that the National Guard has been called up to help.

Also hearing on the news right now.... TRUMP TO DECLARE NATIONAL EMERGENCY.

Just turned fox news off. I've had it on pause for quite awhile, it will pause up to almost 30 minutes of TV I believe, and it paused into the show, "Outnumbered," which I think is about the DUMBEST show on fox news. But I've been seeing a lot of that purple haired, leftist clown, election cheat Donna Brazile on there, and now on that Outnumbered joke show, they've peddled out that ratty voiced little ultra leftist bubble head, Jessica Tarlov. Can't stand to listen to her, can't stand to look at her. Watching less and less of fox news these days. About the only one I really like is Tucker Carlson.

[Drummond]

They're talking about the New Rochelle drive thoughs right now on the news, and that the National Guard has been called up to help.

Also hearing on the news right now.... TRUMP TO DECLARE NATIONAL EMERGENCY.

This is all way more than what our people are doing.

Our Government accepts that its spread is inevitable. All they are thinking of is how to slow it down, to buy time until warmer conditions inhibit it. They talk of a herd immunity being needed in the population .. which means, since there's no vaccine and no natural immunity, that an immunity needs to form from those infected by it.

Yet ... with our confirmed cases approaching the 800-mark, ready to tip over it by tomorrow ... Trump is exempting the UK from his Europe travel ban ?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Just got back from the store, it's Friday and I'm out of fish, so I had to go stock up. Checked the TP situation in our grocery here and it's back to FULLY STOCKED. Apparently no one in little Podunk, WI is panic hording.

I like living here.

[Kathianne]

My point is concerned with how Covid-19 has thrived in the climates where it has reached.

In cold climates .... it finds conditions suited to its proliferation. In warmer climates, it's inhibited. It is temperature that really counts.

My example of continental Africa is one where Covid-19 finds conditions not ideal for it, so it IS inhibited. The wearing of face masks isn't seen in Africa, YET, the inhibition continues.

So .. why doesn't the absence of face masks counter the higher temperatures, and elevate its spread ? Why can't it take advantage of missing face masks ??

Answer: because masks don't make the difference you suppose that they do.

Interesting that a doctor was on FOX saying that one of the rumors rampant on internet is that relief is coming with summer onset. He said, there's not enough known about how it behaves, it's new. Africa was brought up, his reply was that Northern Africa has quite a few cases and the first have been identified on the Horn.

[Kathianne]

NY is waiving the 180 day requirement for school funding. They are leaving the local government to make the decisions of holding classes or not. IF a student tests positive, they are required to close the school for at least 24 hours and state cleaning protocols must be followed.

[Kathianne]

Cuomo is on again, with numbers increase. He just said, 'People you all need to understand this isn't something that is going to end in a couple weeks. We are talking weeks, months.' Bottom line, he's doing what we need to hear, 'med term problem. Only so much we can control. We won't be able to hermetically seal our homes, ourselves, our children. We are going to do the best we can by being careful and listen to any new directives, as we still know very little about the virus.'

For a snake, he's made a lot of sense today.

[Drummond]

Interesting that a doctor was on FOX saying that one of the rumors rampant on internet is that relief is coming with summer onset. He said, there's not enough known about how it behaves, it's new. Africa was brought up, his reply was that Northern Africa has quite a few cases and the first have been identified on the Horn.

OK, thanks.

Any figures available ?

[Kathianne]

OK, thanks.

Any figures available ?
I do not. You could try finding the guy on America's Newsroom.

Do you have some links to the studies on temperature effects on Covid-19?

[Drummond]

Cuomo is on again, with numbers increase. He just said, 'People you all need to understand this isn't something that is going to end in a couple weeks. We are talking weeks, months.' Bottom line, he's doing what we need to hear, 'med term problem. Only so much we can control. We won't be able to hermetically seal our homes, ourselves, our children. We are going to do the best we can by being careful and listen to any new directives, as we still know very little about the virus.'

For a snake, he's made a lot of sense today.

True. How come all of this is being said now, though ?

Over here, we had hopes that containment might work ... and even the hope that, somehow, our total cases would involve people importing the virus from abroad. Nobody offered evidence to back that up, though .. it was only a hope. Its true potential has been well known for weeks.

[Drummond]

I do not. You could try finding the guy on America's Newsroom.

Do you have some links to the studies on temperature effects on Covid-19?

The very nature of the virus makes it susceptible to higher temperatures. Not because it is the specific virus it is, but because of the type of organism it is. From what I've seen, this is true of Coronaviruses in general.

The 'average' flu virus is far more prevalent in winter, in colder climates, than during summer. There is such a thing as a ''flu season'. So, the thinking is that there may also prove to be a 'Covid-19' season.

The British strategy is to buy time ... to trade off numbers of infections against the climate conditions. Our Government is working towards a 'herd immunity' effect, to slow the incidence of virus spread .. then to see infections tail off as summer approaches.

This might be of interest ?

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/effect-temperature-humidity-growth-rate-covid-19-charles-wiles


The effect of temperature

It turns out that temperature does indeed seem to have a significant impact on the rate of spread of COVID-19. For Zurich, London, Berlin and Paris, major cities of the countries with the highest growth rates, the average median daily temperature was in the range of 5.6 to 6.1 degrees Celcius. For Singapore, Bangkok, Taipei and Hong Kong, the capitals of cities with the lowest growth rates, the average median daily temperature was in the range of 21.3 to 29.8 degrees Celcius.

What was the difference in growth rates between those two cohorts?

For the first set, the European capitals, the growth in confirmed COVID-19 cases over 4 days was between 3.4x and 4.8x. For the second set, the Asian capitals, the growth rate was between 1.1x and 1.2x. These differences seem large, but their impact is far, far larger. For a country with 100 confirmed cases on 7 March with a growth rate of 1.1x every four days, it means that after 28 days, the total number of cases would be 194 cases, around twice as many. For a country with 100 confirmed cases on 7 March with a growth rate of 4.0x every four days, it means that after 28 days, the total number of cases would be 1.6 million cases. This is shocking, but a simple law of exponentials. Here's the equation: 100*4.0^(28/4) = 1.6 million. Copy and paste that equation into a Google search box if you don't believe me. As there were 164 cases on 7 March in the UK, then, by 4 April, if the current growth rate continues, the number of cases in the UK will reach 3.2 million by my calculation. A 1% death rate (which is conservative in my opinion) would mean 32,000 deaths.

[Kathianne]

The very nature of the virus makes it susceptible to higher temperatures. Not because it is the specific virus it is, but because of the type of organism it is. From what I've seen, this is true of Coronaviruses in general.

The 'average' flu virus is far more prevalent in winter, in colder climates, than during summer. There is such a thing as a ''flu season'. So, the thinking is that there may also prove to be a 'Covid-19' season.

The British strategy is to buy time ... to trade off numbers of infections against the climate conditions. Our Government is working towards a 'herd immunity' effect, to slow the incidence of virus spread .. then to see infections tail off as summer approaches.

This might be of interest ?

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/effect-temperature-humidity-growth-rate-covid-19-charles-wiles
I can understand the hypothesis, however one could also make a good one that the choices of cities is West v. East and the more intimate knowledge of China behaviors and how to protect themselves.

There's just not enough information available due to it being new.

[Kathianne]

LA postponing democrat primary voting 2 weeks.

Nothing is going to change in 2 weeks regarding the virus, other than get worse.

[Kathianne]

MO and another state are declaring states of emergency also, (I think SC is the second.) I'm guessing all 50 will be doing so.

[Kathianne]

Yesterday it was 'fail' regarding testing, Fauci much more praising today:

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/03/13/fauci-no-seriously-travel-restrictions-exactly-need-flatten-covid-19-curve/


Fauci: No Seriously, The Travel Restrictions Are Exactly What We Need To Flatten The COVID-19 Curve; WHO Confirms Europe As New “Epicenter”
ED MORRISSEY Posted at 2:01 pm on March 13, 2020

Dr. Anthony Fauci giveth, and he also taketh away — although not all that much, as it turns out. The director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) has become a voice of rational urgency in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic in the US. Yesterday in Congress, Fauci made the obvious observation that we had “failed” in preparing for the arrival of COVID-19 after it first emerged.


Today on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, however, Fauci offers a much more upbeat assessment of the situation, noting that testing capabilities are about to “escalate” significantly thanks to private-sector involvement. That will allow public-health organizations to properly track the spread of the disease, which has been difficult to quantify in the US. However, Fauci emphasizes that travel restrictions regarding China and now Europe will flatten the curve and were absolutely the right call to limit the “seeding” of American communities:


...

The problem in Italy, Fauci says later, is that they didn’t take any aggressive measures at the beginning of the bell curve. The US may not have prepared its internal mitigation actions quickly enough, but the actions taken to keep new cases from coming in from the outside has substantially altered the bell curve in the US. “The new China is Europe,” Fauci emphasizes to the Morning Joe panel in defending the travel restrictions.


Fauci got corroboration from the World Health Organization on that point later in the day:

...

[Kathianne]

I watched this interview this morning, (in rerun), it was not reassuring. Unlike the Chinese, the US government cannot order all other construction to stop and be changed to erecting new hospitals:


HHS Official Ducks Whether There’ll Be Enough ICU Beds And Ventilators Available For Coronavirus Patients
ALLAHPUNDIT Posted at 3:21 pm on March 13, 2020

Four times Martha MacCallum asked Seema Verma last night whether she’s confident hospitals will have the capacity they need to meet a surge of COVID-19 patients, and four times Verma ducked her. For good reason: “It’s estimated that we have about 45,000 intensive care unit beds in the United States. In a moderate outbreak, about 200,000 Americans would need one,” per the Times.


So, no. The answer’s no. As for ventilators, one recent study estimated that the U.S. has 160,000 of those. Hopefully that’ll be enough, since other less aggressive forms of breathing support like nebulizers can’t be used on coronavirus patients. The risk that they’ll release particles into the air is too high.

...

[Kathianne]

Just mentioned that UK may be added to the European ban due to new numbers.

[Drummond]

The BBC is relaying a live press conference from President Trump, one where he's declared a State of Emergency. I'll watch my recording of it later to pick up the details.

A journalist asked Trump about why the UK was excluded from the Europe travel ban. Unless I'm much mistaken, Trump is indeed reviewing his decision to exempt the UK. He acknowledges the steep infection rises we're now getting over here.

This is good. Trump's exclusion of the UK made no sense to me.

[Kathianne]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89737854_10214950064459262_6428397282726510592_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=eY0uixJajPYAX8fE3iw&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=71f8af54b86b45fc5fe7376fc520cf58&oe=5E91DA24

[Kathianne]

My bad, too many memes. This TP stuff is funny though and the subject is just too serious.

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89790817_3233214173372809_6634777286002343936_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=sW5zn9OC-k8AX9nEeCP&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=26c2e46ee4c5f5080198ab42277dc3de&oe=5E90342A

[Kathianne]

I really am going to send myself for a time out or detention or something:

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89390089_10217423745969116_7151194863659122688_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=8OKG4225b9wAX_hyi-t&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=11b38225b9b85950794ff8ab17476fd9&oe=5E9071ED

[jimnyc]

Yesterday it was 'fail' regarding testing, Fauci much more praising today:

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/03/13/fauci-no-seriously-travel-restrictions-exactly-need-flatten-covid-19-curve/

Unfortunately, I think the major quarantines are the best answer, and also the costliest answer. Which will prevail?

[jimnyc]

Now these numbers are getting kind of scary. And who the hell knows what's the truth anymore. Anywhere from the common cold, like the flu, 10x worse than the flu... and now this.

CDC NIGHTMARE SCENARIO: 1.7 MILLION DEATHS...

The Worst-Case Estimate for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

Officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and epidemic experts from universities around the world conferred last month about what might happen if the new coronavirus gained a foothold in the United States. How many people might die? How many would be infected and need hospitalization?

One of the agency’s top disease modelers, Matthew Biggerstaff, presented the group on the phone call with four possible scenarios — A, B, C and D — based on characteristics of the virus, including estimates of how transmissible it is and the severity of the illness it can cause. The assumptions, reviewed by The New York Times, were shared with about 50 expert teams to model how the virus could tear through the population — and what might stop it.

The C.D.C.’s scenarios were depicted in terms of percentages of the population. Translated into absolute numbers by independent experts using simple models of how viruses spread, the worst-case figures would be staggering if no actions were taken to slow transmission.

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

And, the calculations based on the C.D.C.’s scenarios suggested, 2.4 million to 21 million people in the U.S. could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill.

Rest - https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/13/the-worst-case-estimate-for-u-s-coronavirus-deaths/

[hjmick]

This is a very interesting listen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw


It's also broken down into smaller bites over on YouTube should one choose not do the entire hour and thirty-four...


Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy.

[FakeNewsSux]

Anyone interested in a little rational thought from an actual scientist?

MIT biologist says fear mongering on coronavirus will go down as biggest fraud to manipulate economies

https://youtu.be/lzC59WiW_Fs

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-panic-media-not-telling-even-3-4-global-death-rate/

[NightTrain]

As far as the temperature question, all the nurses here in the hospital I've talked to say that the hotter the temp, the stronger/more active the virus is.

They're keeping it pretty chilly inside, and piling on the blankets to patients.

And the new thing around here is absolutely no handshakes. The nurses are all doing elbow-bumps and it's pretty damn funny to see it.

[Drummond]

As far as the temperature question, all the nurses here in the hospital I've talked to say that the hotter the temp, the stronger/more active the virus is.

They're keeping it pretty chilly inside, and piling on the blankets to patients.

And the new thing around here is absolutely no handshakes. The nurses are all doing elbow-bumps and it's pretty damn funny to see it.

It's strange, then, that I've already managed to produce stats showing that it's been a less prolific spreader in hotter climates.

In giving very basic preventative advice, we're told over here to wash with soap and hot water ... because cold water isn't guaranteed to have the same effect.

From a rather long article about Covid-19:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8079043/Government-NHS-launch-hand-washing-campaign-stop-coronavirus.html


The UK Government and the NHS have launched a hard-hitting advertising campaign urging the public to wash their hands to stop the coronavirus.

Ominous, dark images of stains on a door handle under ultraviolet light warn people the virus can survive on some surfaces for hours, remaining contagious.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his ministers and officials are hammering home the message that hand-washing is the best thing people can do to protect themselves.

People should wash their hands for 20 seconds at a time with hot water and soap, making sure they clean every side of their hands and fingers.

From the British Government's own website:

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/coronavirus-covid-19-list-of-guidance


Wash your hands more often than usual, for 20 seconds using soap and hot water, particularly after coughing, sneezing and blowing your nose, or after being in public areas where other people are doing so. Use hand sanitiser if that’s all you have access to.

[Drummond]

Just heard a doctor say masks have evidence for being useful, shortage has made that a problem. While it may or may not prevent virus entrance, it certainly reminds folks not to touch eyes or mouth.

OK, that seems a fair point, as far as it goes.

But I'm wondering if the water vapour we all breathe out, would serve to magnify what presence of Covid-19 there was ? It'd collect around the mask area. Any virus present could find that the mask gives it very useful conditions to collect, thrive, multiply.

[Drummond]

I really am going to send myself for a time out or detention or something:

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89390089_10217423745969116_7151194863659122688_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=8OKG4225b9wAX_hyi-t&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=11b38225b9b85950794ff8ab17476fd9&oe=5E9071ED

Finally .. a brand I recognise !!!!!

[Kathianne]

OK, that seems a fair point, as far as it goes.

But I'm wondering if the water vapour we all breathe out, would serve to magnify what presence of Covid-19 there was ? It'd collect around the mask area. Any virus present could find that the mask gives it very useful conditions to collect, thrive, multiply.

Some alternative hypotheses are contained herein. That's all we've got right now, several hypothesis of which you are championing one:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/why-some-countries-no-coronavirus

[Kathianne]

OK, that seems a fair point, as far as it goes.

But I'm wondering if the water vapour we all breathe out, would serve to magnify what presence of Covid-19 there was ? It'd collect around the mask area. Any virus present could find that the mask gives it very useful conditions to collect, thrive, multiply.
You would toss the masks often if the papery type ones. Filter if a respirator type.

[Kathianne]

Unfortunately, I think the major quarantines are the best answer, and also the costliest answer. Which will prevail?

Well, it looks like America is shutting down for the most part. Both my sons are working from home, the youngest is going to run in Monday to get his 3 screen monitor set up, his single is fine for once in awhile, but not for what he has to do day-to-day.

Masses have been canceled in IL and AZ, I'm supposing throughout the country?

I got a text from my apt. company-while they will be sanitizing railings and outside door knobs every other hour, during work hours, they suggest not using the railings if possible. Common areas, outside of mail boxes are closed.

I've gotten texts from Penny's, Macy's, Ann Taylor and Loft advising me that if I come into their stores, I should use the hand sanitizer at door and multiple stations throughout the store. My health is that important to them and to remember, they have online services too! Actually, Loft offered me free shipping-but where can I go to wear anything? LOL!

My brother got an email saying the Park District is closed, but his coming into work to help out where needed in the city would be appreciated on Monday. All schools in IL, private and public are closed from 3/17-end of March at minimum. As an 'act of God' teachers will be paid.

Movie theaters are closing, though Derek said that his neighborhood one sent an email saying that while they had no 'new movies' as the studios are not releasing them, they are showing something but will only sell to 40% capacity, advising to spread out. They don't want to have to lay off their employees.

So, it's weird times.

[Kathianne]

Somebody! Slap me silly!

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89820618_10222868053229034_7710214406608519168_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=nLJCKVEFdg4AX9rim_b&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=3131e921dd97dd3cf183bf5ed13a29c2&oe=5E907A3F

[Drummond]

This is a useful site, I think ...

https://covid19info.live/

Look down to the world map.

With the exception of Australia (close to China, has substantial trade links, etc) .. the Southern hemisphere is altogether less infected than the northern.

Africa is relatively untouched by it (hotter climates, as I've discussed). Some countries on that continent have yet to record cases. I see that Madagascar, a hotbed of measles outbreaks recently, seems devoid of Covid-19 ones !

Note, also, Iceland (a significantly colder country than England). Iceland should be something of a backwater in international terms ... population around 300,000 .. ? Yet, the map shows that Covid-19 has still made its mark.

[Where Iceland is concerned, they did have a big US military presence in the 1980's .. when I went through Keflavik airport, it was shared with the US Air Force .. AWACS planes on the tarmac, military barracks visible ..]

Current temperatures, there ... below freezing, for Saturday. Picking up to 41 degrees F by Monday. It won't be that 'warm' again until next Friday. If Covid-19 doesn't do well in cold conditions, it should absolutely hate Iceland's climate !!

One other point: look further down, to the Excel spreadsheet-type list for infections, country-by-country. Check out those countries showing very few infections. How many have hot climates ?? I think you'll find that almost all of them do.

Iceland, again: 300,000 people, with 134 infections. Half its entire population live in Reykjavik. Only two people have recovered from it. Either this means that the cold conditions are inhibiting recovery, or, that all the 134 infections happened quickly, are v recent ... because the cold conditions speeded up susceptibility to infection ?

[SassyLady]

Well, it looks like America is shutting down for the most part. Both my sons are working from home, the youngest is going to run in Monday to get his 3 screen monitor set up, his single is fine for once in awhile, but not for what he has to do day-to-day.

Masses have been canceled in IL and AZ, I'm supposing throughout the country?

I got a text from my apt. company-while they will be sanitizing railings and outside door knobs every other hour, during work hours, they suggest not using the railings if possible. Common areas, outside of mail boxes are closed.

I've gotten texts from Penny's, Macy's, Ann Taylor and Loft advising me that if I come into their stores, I should use the hand sanitizer at door and multiple stations throughout the store. My health is that important to them and to remember, they have online services too! Actually, Loft offered me free shipping-but where can I go to wear anything? LOL!

My brother got an email saying the Park District is closed, but his coming into work to help out where needed in the city would be appreciated on Monday. All schools in IL, private and public are closed from 3/17-end of March at minimum. As an 'act of God' teachers will be paid.

Movie theaters are closing, though Derek said that his neighborhood one sent an email saying that while they had no 'new movies' as the studios are not releasing them, they are showing something but will only sell to 40% capacity, advising to spread out. They don't want to have to lay off their employees.

So, it's weird times.
Granddaughter goes to UofA and got email to stay away from campus until further notice.

[Kathianne]

This is a useful site, I think ...

https://covid19info.live/

Look down to the world map.

With the exception of Australia (close to China, has substantial trade links, etc) .. the Southern hemisphere is altogether less infected than the northern.

Africa is relatively untouched by it (hotter climates, as I've discussed). Some countries on that continent have yet to record cases. I see that Madagascar, a hotbed of measles outbreaks recently, seems devoid of Covid-19 ones !

Note, also, Iceland (a significantly colder country than England). Iceland should be something of a backwater in international terms ... population around 300,000 .. ? Yet, the map shows that Covid-19 has still made its mark.

[Where Iceland is concerned, they did have a big US military presence in the 1980's .. when I went through Keflavik airport, it was shared with the US air force .. AWACS planes on the tarmac, military barracks visible ..]

Current temperatures ... below freezing, for Saturday. Picking up to 41 degrees F by Monday. It won't be that 'warm' again until next Friday. If Covid-19 doesn't do well in cold conditions, it should absolutely hate Iceland's climate !!

Just curious, did you read the link? Your favorite hypothesis is amongst them, but you might want to take a look at others.

[SassyLady]

Somebody! Slap me silly!

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89820618_10222868053229034_7710214406608519168_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=nLJCKVEFdg4AX9rim_b&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=3131e921dd97dd3cf183bf5ed13a29c2&oe=5E907A3F

Yeah, that's hilarious.... we got some Corona beer today and joked to the bagger it was to fight the virus ... just got a dumbfounded look. Still need a sense of humor.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

In giving very basic preventative advice, we're told over here to wash with soap and hot water ... because cold water isn't guaranteed to have the same effect.
That's one thing I have always done, even before this virus scare, is when I wash my hands here at home, I only run the hot water, and by the time I'm done washing my hands the water is pretty hot, but I just bare with the little pain and rinse with that hot water.

[SassyLady]

Well, it looks like America is shutting down for the most part. Both my sons are working from home, the youngest is going to run in Monday to get his 3 screen monitor set up, his single is fine for once in awhile, but not for what he has to do day-to-day.

Masses have been canceled in IL and AZ, I'm supposing throughout the country?

I got a text from my apt. company-while they will be sanitizing railings and outside door knobs every other hour, during work hours, they suggest not using the railings if possible. Common areas, outside of mail boxes are closed.

I've gotten texts from Penny's, Macy's, Ann Taylor and Loft advising me that if I come into their stores, I should use the hand sanitizer at door and multiple stations throughout the store. My health is that important to them and to remember, they have online services too! Actually, Loft offered me free shipping-but where can I go to wear anything? LOL!

My brother got an email saying the Park District is closed, but his coming into work to help out where needed in the city would be appreciated on Monday. All schools in IL, private and public are closed from 3/17-end of March at minimum. As an 'act of God' teachers will be paid.

Movie theaters are closing, though Derek said that his neighborhood one sent an email saying that while they had no 'new movies' as the studios are not releasing them, they are showing something but will only sell to 40% capacity, advising to spread out. They don't want to have to lay off their employees.

So, it's weird times.

No one has my email so not getting any "care about you" emails. Roommate said he has received 11 so far. One from VA said come early because he needed to be assessed (temp check and questions) before entering.

[SassyLady]

That's one thing I have always done, even before this virus scare, is when I wash my hands here at home, I only run the hot water, and by the time I'm done washing my hands, the water is pretty hot, but I just bare with the little pain and rinse with that hot water.

Me too! Need that hot water. And, I rub soap into my skin like lotion before rinsing off.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

No one has my email so not getting any "care about you" emails. Roommate said he has received 11 so far. One from VA said come early because he needed to be assessed (temp check and questions) before entering.
Ya know, come to think of it, I've gotten NOTHING in the way of news or notices from the VA.

Went to the VA's, MyHealtheVet website and found this link... https://www.publichealth.va.gov/n-coronavirus/#utm_source=VA%20Alerts&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=Coronavirus&utm_content=link1

[SassyLady]

Ya know, come to think of it, I've gotten NOTHING in the way of news or notices from the VA.

He has appointments scheduled. Do you?

[NightTrain]

It's strange, then, that I've already managed to produce stats showing that it's been a less prolific spreader in hotter climates.

In giving very basic preventative advice, we're told over here to wash with soap and hot water ... because cold water isn't guaranteed to have the same effect.

From a rather long article about Covid-19:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8079043/Government-NHS-launch-hand-washing-campaign-stop-coronavirus.html



From the British Government's own website:

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/coronavirus-covid-19-list-of-guidance


I just don't know, Drummond.. this is all way out of my realm. Just repeating what nurses told me here in Seattle at the hospital.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

He has appointments scheduled. Do you?
Nope. My only required contact with the VA is a bi-annual check up and talk with the Doc because I'm prescribed a narcotic.

[Kathianne]

I'm going to hell:

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89886666_10157266902618246_4967477003239292928_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=RQc64eXyEWYAX9rabzp&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=68102298461d863cb7c9021284bf643a&oe=5E927242

[Kathianne]

How exponential growth works. Sort of long, but really is necessary for people to understand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/science/coronavirus-math-mitigation-distancing.html

[Kathianne]

I'm doomed!

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89280204_10163101937075052_4209572449823490048_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=UC6ODQdiGgMAX8UhoBO&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=8cd099a9920f512f82ff06dfa195fb06&oe=5E9095D0

[Kathianne]

I'm going to have to give up FB, I can't stop laughing at these, then I think of you all!

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89437621_3106400596066486_6764891224290623488_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=1AF1eOXPgLoAX9Pp9Lx&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=e6650407c7080e6b235376d4a4856513&oe=5E9190E3

[Drummond]

Just curious, did you read the link? Your favorite hypothesis is amongst them, but you might want to take a look at others.

Sorry, I'm not following. What are you referring to ?

[Kathianne]

Sorry, I'm not following. What are you referring to ? Drummond Link here: http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?68979-Coronavirus&p=952586#post952586

[Kathianne]

For those of us beyond a certain age!

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[SassyLady]

For those of us beyond a certain age!

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89778047_2678703199014245_7016672102786793472_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=da1649&_nc_ohc=Oln6lU6hHKQAX_tTD5s&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=3def9220c3e7b5be3bc086b5320e67be&oe=5E936C02

The funny thing is that I was hoarding TP years ago. We have 4 bathrooms and a travel trailer. Plenty of TP here. Our current issue is that we need paper for septic. Walked down paper isle on Wednesday at Safeway and there was plenty of paper but nothing for septic. Have always bought at Costco ... and our local Costco is totally out of any type of paper goods.

Why are people hoarding paper goods? Oh, and there are no flushable wipes out there either.

Weird ...

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The funny thing is that I was hoarding TP years ago. We have 4 bathrooms and a travel trailer. Plenty of TP here. Our current issue is that we need paper for septic. Walked down paper isle on Wednesday at Safeway and there was plenty of paper but nothing for septic. Have always bought at Costco ... and our local Costco is totally out of any type of paper goods.

Why are people hoarding paper goods? Oh, and there are no flushable wipes out there either.

Weird ...
I have no idea why people are hording TP. I mean, no one has said that CV gives you the shits or anything, so why? I think all it takes is ONE IDIOT on facebook to say, YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE AND BUY TOILET PAPER, and then they ALL do it, lock step, monkey see monkey do, and never even stop for one second to ask WHY they need to horde toilet paper? The word goes out, they all start buying it, then the shelves at stores start going bare and the panic sets in when people see it gone, then other people are buying it for no other reason than EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING IT. It's STUPID.

The disinfectant wipes and Lysol and alcohol, I get that because the alcohol kills the virus, but hording TP, I just think that's dumb. There will ALWAYS be MORE at the store, just as there's ALWAYS been, if people don't PANIC horde it. It's not like they QUIT MAKING IT, or what's at the store is the LAST OF IT.

[Drummond]

Some alternative hypotheses are contained herein. That's all we've got right now, several hypothesis of which you are championing one:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/why-some-countries-no-coronavirus

OK, I've thumbed through this.

I don't see anything from the link that disproves me. I see two 'issues' regarding what's been reported for Covid-19 cases.

One ... countries like North Korea, Russia ... how likely are they to admit to the world that they're faring badly ? 45 cases in Russia might just as well be 4,500. North Korea is particularly secretive about everything ... why not, also, on this virus ?

China sat on information of what that country was suffering for several weeks.

As for the continent of Africa, I sent a link yesterday showing that BECAUSE they'd not suffered notable outbreaks, they were especially prepared for its actually hitting them. It's not that they're too poor, or primitive, in the main, to even note cases, much less treat them.

A point about the UK strategy: it's relying on the very phenomenon I'm talking about, that Covid-19 activity is expected to sharply decrease when the weather gets hotter here. We're letting it spread (subject to certain basic steps, like advised self-isolation, handwashing, that sort of thing). The point is to acknowledge the spread is inevitable, but to slow it, but to create a 'herd immunity' effect by the summer which will leave us better prepared, should it reappear in the winter months afterwards.

Judging by the latest news, it may be that we have a vaccine deployable by next winter.

That's been our big problem ... measles, for example, has been around for generations, and so has a workable vaccine, with also a herd immunity effect established. None of that applies to Covid-19.

Here's hoping we get that vaccine !

[Kathianne]

OK, I've thumbed through this.

I don't see anything from the link that disproves me. I see two 'issues' regarding what's been reported for Covid-19 cases.

One ... countries like North Korea, Russia ... how likely are they to admit to the world that they're faring badly ? 45 cases in Russia might just as well be 4,500. North Korea is particularly secretive about everything ... why not, also, on this virus ?

China sat on information of what that country was suffering for several weeks.

As for the continent of Africa, I sent a link yesterday showing that BECAUSE they'd not suffered notable outbreaks, they were especially prepared for its actually hitting them. It's not that they're too poor, or primitive, in the main, to even note cases, much less treat them.

A point about the UK strategy: it's relying on the very phenomenon I'm talking about, that Covid-19 activity is expected to sharply decrease when the weather gets hotter here. We're letting it spread (subject to certain basic steps, like advised self-isolation, handwashing, that sort of thing). The point is to acknowledge the spread is inevitable, but to slow it, but to create a 'herd immunity' effect by the summer which will leave us better prepared, should it reappear in the winter months afterwards.

Judging by the latest news, it may be that we have a vaccine deployable by next winter.

That's been our big problem ... measles, for example, has been around for generations, and so has a workable vaccine, with also a herd immunity effect established. None of that applies to Covid-19.

Here's hoping we get that vaccine !

I've no doubt we'll get the vaccine, the US, Israel, and France are all good at that. I do not disagree about herd immunity, remember the measles? While not nearly as deadly, it's victims overwhelming are children and those not using the vaccine were destroying the her effect.

My point, along with the article, science does not yet know how this virus will act, not now with mutations or in a few months with temperature changes. How many cases were in the UK a month ago? How many in Africa today? Your accepted hypothesis may be correct with temps and that WOULD help in buying time with less illness and death. Can't assume that though, as the hypothesis that it could just be ready to explode in Africa in a few weeks is equally as valid at THIS point in time-not enough data or time to tell.

With something like this, it's not a matter of right or wrong, but of the experts anticipating any of the different ways it could go and planning for the worst while hoping for the best.

[Drummond]

I've no doubt we'll get the vaccine, the US, Israel, and France are all good at that. I do not disagree about herd immunity, remember the measles? While not nearly as deadly, it's victims overwhelming are children and those not using the vaccine were destroying the her effect.

My point, along with the article, science does not yet know how this virus will act, not now with mutations or in a few months with temperature changes. How many cases were in the UK a month ago? How many in Africa today? Your accepted hypothesis may be correct with temps and that WOULD help in buying time with less illness and death. Can't assume that though, as the hypothesis that it could just be ready to explode in Africa in a few weeks is equally as valid at THIS point in time-not enough data or time to tell.

With something like this, it's not a matter of right or wrong, but of the experts anticipating any of the different ways it could go and planning for the worst while hoping for the best.

A report I heard on LBC a short while ago said that a vaccine HAS been successfully tested in mice. Apparently this'll be scaled up to human testing, all being well, by June. So, I agree - we'll get that vaccine. It'll be held up by over-caution and red tape, but it'll arrive.

Measles has a potential to be serious, but as I said in past postings, we in the UK don't regard it as a disease to be particularly concerned about (unlike Covid-19, of course). YES, I'm sure that the measles attitude we have owes its existence to the vaccination programme the UK itself has. Nonetheless ... uptake of our MMR jab (measles, mumps, rubella) has been falling. Measles hasn't become any notable threat, regardless. And, as I said, I myself have never been vaccinated against anything, & I've led a healthy life.

Depending on how similar to flu Covid-19 is, I'd like to think that I'm not susceptible to it. In my entire life, I've only had flu once, & that was nearly 20 years ago. I can be in a room of people coming down with it (and have been, repeatedly) and remain unaffected.

Probably NOT true of Covid-19, for me. But I say, as I have in the past, that UK people have in the past benefitted by the herd immunity effect, caused in part by mass vaccinations (- YES -) .. but, also, by developing immunities over time naturally through periodic exposure.

My guess is that Boris's people have this in mind, in doing what they're doing. Containment measures are now seen as a waste of time. So, whatever measures we DO undertake, will involve the purpose of delaying infection to buy time until the summer, and warmer temperatures (I regard NightTrain's account of how nurses deliberately created cold conditions as horrific !). No vaccine exists, but STILL, we're moving to create the herd immunity effect.

Reduction in Covid-19 viability in hot temperatures is a key part of what we're depending on for our strategy in fighting it.

[Drummond]

Just heard on LBC News that President Trump says he's taken a Coronavirus test ... taken last night.

The presenter professes he's confused, as Trump's doctor had previously, apparently, decided that Trump didn't need a test, because he was showing no symptoms !!

Another news item: 'Mount Everest Is Closed'.

[Kathianne]

Drummond

Interesting the notorious NYT has a story on the British approach to this virus, which extrapolates upon what you've been explaining. There is an admission that it may pay off, though experts are concerned about the costs. It basically IS a play on what I was discussing about mutations and immunity to subsequent versions:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/europe/coronavirus-britain-boris-johnson.html

[Drummond]

@Drummond (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=2287)

Interesting the notorious NYT has a story on the British approach to this virus, which extrapolates upon what you've been explaining. There is an admission that it may pay off, though experts are concerned about the costs. It basically IS a play on what I was discussing about mutations and immunity to subsequent versions:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/europe/coronavirus-britain-boris-johnson.html

Jeremy Hunt has been critical of Boris and his approach. But then again, he WAS Boris's chief opposition in the Conservative Leadership contest, in 2019 ....

I suppose many will see Boris's approach as 'maverick'. But I think it's sound. Covid-19 does do more badly, except where clusters of cases of it are already large, in warmer weather. I really think I've proved that. Covid-19 could be defeated later this year, especially if we get that vaccine. But it's entirely likely that we'll see future periods of 'seasons' of Covid ... corresponding to winter periods.

I understand that Mike Pence has announced a UK and Ireland travel ban, effective from next Monday ... and with allowance given for our people to leave for Blighty.

I say ... GOOD, not before time. Absence of that ban made no sense whatever. Our infection rate, heading to the 1,000 mark, isn't expected to reach its peak for another six weeks.

[hjmick]

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[jimnyc]

I suppose if there is to be any good news coming from actually getting this virus. Anyone who may get sick and must stay home in quarantine, or even in self-quarantine, will get paid sick leave.

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House Passes Coronavirus Bill That Provides Free Testing, Sick Leave Benefits

The House voted overwhelmingly early Saturday morning to pass a bill that provides coronavirus testing at no cost to patients, and extends paid sick leave to workers who come down with the virus or have to go into self-quarantine.

President Donald Trump expressed his support for the bill, the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, Friday night as House Democrats negotiated the details of the law with Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin. It passed by a vote of 363-40, with all dissenting votes coming from Republicans.

Trump’s backing is seen as key to getting the Senate to sign on to the aid package.

https://i.imgur.com/QoBhjfQ.png

The bill requires the federal government to cover the cost of diagnostic testing for coronavirus, or COVID-19. That includes testing done by a primary care physician, at an urgent care center, or at a hospital emergency room.

The federal government has been slow to ramp up testing for COVID-19, which began spreading from Wuhan, China, late in 2019. The first infection in the U.S. was confirmed Jan. 21. As of Saturday, nearly 2,200 Americans have tested positive for the bug. Forty-nine people have died. More than 5,500 have succumbed to the virus across the globe.

Rest - https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/14/house-passes-coronavirus-bill-free-testing/

[Kathianne]

Italy has a jump of 2700 cases in 24 hours. :eek:

This is exponential curve in action. The following article was from 4 days ago, now Italy has the same jump itself, in 1 day:

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-graphic-where-cases-are-surging-spread-is-accelerating-2020-3

[hjmick]

I suppose if there is to be any good news coming from actually getting this virus. Anyone who may get sick and must stay home in quarantine, or even in self-quarantine, will get paid sick leave.

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House Passes Coronavirus Bill That Provides Free Testing, Sick Leave Benefits

The House voted overwhelmingly early Saturday morning to pass a bill that provides coronavirus testing at no cost to patients, and extends paid sick leave to workers who come down with the virus or have to go into self-quarantine.

President Donald Trump expressed his support for the bill, the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, Friday night as House Democrats negotiated the details of the law with Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin. It passed by a vote of 363-40, with all dissenting votes coming from Republicans.

Trump’s backing is seen as key to getting the Senate to sign on to the aid package.

https://i.imgur.com/QoBhjfQ.png

The bill requires the federal government to cover the cost of diagnostic testing for coronavirus, or COVID-19. That includes testing done by a primary care physician, at an urgent care center, or at a hospital emergency room.

The federal government has been slow to ramp up testing for COVID-19, which began spreading from Wuhan, China, late in 2019. The first infection in the U.S. was confirmed Jan. 21. As of Saturday, nearly 2,200 Americans have tested positive for the bug. Forty-nine people have died. More than 5,500 have succumbed to the virus across the globe.

Rest - https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/14/house-passes-coronavirus-bill-free-testing/


The owner of the company I work for committed on Wednesday to giving us two weeks pay if we were to test positive for COVID-19. He also told us to stay home if we feel sick, for those without PTO to cover that, he said he would advance them the PTO... I kind of have a problem with that since I've got about 4 weeks in the PTO bank. The people who don't have PTO are the ones who take 4 hours everytime the get it... fuck 'em.

[Kathianne]

The owner of the company I work for committed on Wednesday to giving us two weeks pay if we were to test positive for COVID-19. He also told us to stay home if we feel sick, for those without PTO to cover that, he said he would advance them the PTO... I kind of have a problem with that since I've got about 4 weeks in the PTO bank. The people who don't have PTO are the ones who take 4 hours everytime the get it... fuck 'em.

Same here. Walmart last week came out and said they'd pay up to 26 weeks for anyone ill from virus. They'd pay 2 weeks if forced to quarantine or for time waiting for test results. If concerned about environment, you may use PTO or just call in, excused absence-no pay if no PTO. They will use PTO if paid though, so those that don't save it, win. That's not me.

[jimnyc]

My other thread compared the yearly flu to the current Covid-19 coronavirus. And it may be a premature comparison - due to lack of testing.

And with these possible numbers, and folks possibly having this and not yet showing any symptoms, how many will they be infecting before they do realize they are sick or get tested? I can see where this will go from "small" numbers to a huge outbreak overnight - at least once tests get out there.

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Johns Hopkins Expert Estimates 50K Americans Have Virus

A medical expert at Johns Hopkins University is estimating at least 50,000 Americans have already contracted the coronavirus.

Notably, just 50 with the coronavirus have reportedly died in the U.S. to date. For math whizzes, the expert's low-end estimate would put the virus death rate in the U.S at 0.1% – on the high end. President Donald Trump was roundly rebuked by critics, liberal activists, and anti-Trump media for doubting the 3.4% coronavirus death rate estimates.

"Don't believe the numbers when you see, even on our Johns Hopkins website, that 1,600 Americans have the virus," Dr. Marty Makary told Yahoo Finance's "On the Move" on Friday, per The Hill.

"No, that means 1,600 got the test, tested positive. There are probably 25 to 50 people who have the virus for every one person who is confirmed."

The comments came Friday. The latest figures on active U.S. cases are 2,249.

But, saying as many as "half million" Americans might already have the coronavirus, Dr. Makary feared the U.S. is not ready to handle the virus, ringing the alarm on U.S. hospital capacity.

"We only have 100,000 ICU beds in the United States," Makary said, per the report. "We could see 200,000 new patients that need critical care up to 2 million."

The Trump administration has taken unprecedented measures in the U.S. to curb the spread of the virus that has claimed over 5,600 lives globally with 149,596 cases – a death rate of 3.7%.

Rest - https://www.newsmax.com/us/johns-hopkins-doctor-professor-hysteria/2020/03/14/id/958328/

[Kathianne]

My other thread compared the yearly flu to the current Covid-19 coronavirus. And it may be a premature comparison - due to lack of testing.

And with these possible numbers, and folks possibly having this and not yet showing any symptoms, how many will they be infecting before they do realize they are sick or get tested? I can see where this will go from "small" numbers to a huge outbreak overnight - at least once tests get out there.

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Johns Hopkins Expert Estimates 50K Americans Have Virus

A medical expert at Johns Hopkins University is estimating at least 50,000 Americans have already contracted the coronavirus.

Notably, just 50 with the coronavirus have reportedly died in the U.S. to date. For math whizzes, the expert's low-end estimate would put the virus death rate in the U.S at 0.1% – on the high end. President Donald Trump was roundly rebuked by critics, liberal activists, and anti-Trump media for doubting the 3.4% coronavirus death rate estimates.

"Don't believe the numbers when you see, even on our Johns Hopkins website, that 1,600 Americans have the virus," Dr. Marty Makary told Yahoo Finance's "On the Move" on Friday, per The Hill.

"No, that means 1,600 got the test, tested positive. There are probably 25 to 50 people who have the virus for every one person who is confirmed."

The comments came Friday. The latest figures on active U.S. cases are 2,249.

But, saying as many as "half million" Americans might already have the coronavirus, Dr. Makary feared the U.S. is not ready to handle the virus, ringing the alarm on U.S. hospital capacity.

"We only have 100,000 ICU beds in the United States," Makary said, per the report. "We could see 200,000 new patients that need critical care up to 2 million."

The Trump administration has taken unprecedented measures in the U.S. to curb the spread of the virus that has claimed over 5,600 lives globally with 149,596 cases – a death rate of 3.7%.

Rest - https://www.newsmax.com/us/johns-hopkins-doctor-professor-hysteria/2020/03/14/id/958328/

Not to mention that the flu viruses are known or at least their predecessor version are known. This virus is to the best of knowledge, 4 months old and wrecking across the world. Apples and oranges comparisons.

[Kathianne]

My 'home' country, not good news, especially if it is the county nursing home:

https://www.nctv17.com/news/first-coronavirus-case-in-dupage-county/

[jimnyc]

Shouldn't be too surprised when it's CNN we're dealing with.

They have no decency as an organization. It's as if they really are an arm of the Dem party. Their editors couldn't care less about mistakes like this, all they care about is condemning republicans and literally covering up anything negative about the democrats, and also themselves.

They go ahead and label republicans as racists once again for using the terms "Wuhan virus" or "Chinese virus". Claims against Trump as well. Then the clip goes on to show that pretty much every single person at CNN has already done so themselves.

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CNN Plays the ‘That’s Racist’ Card on Virus, Forgets Own History

The Chinese government says calling the coronavirus the “Wuhan Virus” is racist.

Specifically, The Global Times, which Wikipedia describes as “a daily tabloid newspaper under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper, commenting on international issues from a nationalistic perspective” headlines this: “Labeling China as a ‘disease incubator’ is unscientific and racist: experts.”

The Chinese Communist paper says this:


“Regionalizing pandemics is not only unscientific and potentially racist, but also ignores China's contribution of research progress in infectious disease control around the world, they stressed.”

And faster than you can say “identity politics,” CNN abruptly began to toe the Chinese Communist party line. One CNNer after another began saying that, yes indeed, the phrase “Wuhan Virus” or “Chinese Virus” is….racist.

But as the Media Research Center quickly and vividly illustrated — oops! Yes indeed, as this video illustrates, no less than one CNN host after another had been using the very term that suddenly, of a sudden, was now racist. Oops indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eZtCq1aj2g

Rest - https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jeffrey-lord/2020/03/14/cnn-plays-thats-racist-card-virus-forgets-own-history

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Shouldn't be too surprised when it's CNN we're dealing with.

They have no decency as an organization. It's as if they really are an arm of the Dem party. Their editors couldn't care less about mistakes like this, all they care about is condemning republicans and literally covering up anything negative about the democrats, and also themselves.

They go ahead and label republicans as racists once again for using the terms "Wuhan virus" or "Chinese virus". Claims against Trump as well. Then the clip goes on to show that pretty much every single person at CNN has already done so themselves.

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CNN Plays the ‘That’s Racist’ Card on Virus, Forgets Own History

The Chinese government says calling the coronavirus the “Wuhan Virus” is racist.

Specifically, The Global Times, which Wikipedia describes as “a daily tabloid newspaper under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper, commenting on international issues from a nationalistic perspective” headlines this: “Labeling China as a ‘disease incubator’ is unscientific and racist: experts.”

The Chinese Communist paper says this:



And faster than you can say “identity politics,” CNN abruptly began to toe the Chinese Communist party line. One CNNer after another began saying that, yes indeed, the phrase “Wuhan Virus” or “Chinese Virus” is….racist.

But as the Media Research Center quickly and vividly illustrated — oops! Yes indeed, as this video illustrates, no less than one CNN host after another had been using the very term that suddenly, of a sudden, was now racist. Oops indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eZtCq1aj2g

Rest - https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jeffrey-lord/2020/03/14/cnn-plays-thats-racist-card-virus-forgets-own-history
You can absolutely SEE that CRAP coming from the left. They just NEVER give that shit a rest.

What PATHETIC people. People should just TUNE THEM OUT. Sickening bastards and their UNHINGED TRASH.

[Drummond]

You can absolutely SEE that CRAP coming from the left. They just NEVER give that shit a rest.

What PATHETIC people. People should just TUNE THEM OUT. Sickening bastards and their UNHINGED TRASH.

Praise be ! We're all SAVED !!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Everybody knows that what we all need now, what will save this situation for us all, is merely for political hacks to play political correctness games with a term which is, after all, merely FACTUAL.

Trash indeed.

Leave the weird fantiasist 'PC' games to the unhinged Left. Some of us prefer to be grounded in reality, and DEAL with that reality, as best as can be managed.

This is an illustration of why the Left need to be kept light years from power.

Imagine the US faced with a nuclear attack against it, just detected, and the Left is in charge. What's the first order of business ? To debate whether any factual statements made about the origin of that attack, the nationality of those launching it, is too 'racist' to be addressed ????

They could debate that one endlessly in a bunker somewhere. As for reality, in that reality, the Western world would be pulverised into oblivion before the debate ended ....

[Kathianne]

Meanwhile:

https://www.firerescue1.com/coronavirus-covid-19/articles/san-jose-calif-ff-in-grave-condition-following-coronavirus-diagnosis-dNxz8Vw9fOIJBtkq/?fbclid=IwAR1ybtVflv9cGtpMiuOuAKFsjf9TGzNsqd32o9Jw UZtdSpleBiT7PVzp_IM

firefighters=smoke eaters=respiratory problems regardless of age.

First responders, amongst the most vulnerable.

[jimnyc]

First it was Italy, now it's Spain!

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Coronavirus: Spanish government imposes lockdown of entire country amid spread of virus

The Spanish government is to put the country under lockdown as part of its state of emergency measures meant to combat coronavirus.

According to a draft decree, Spaniards will be ordered to stay at home except to buy food or drugs, go to the hospital, go to work or other emergencies.

El Mundo reports Spain's interior ministry will control all police forces, including local and regional ones, as part of the state of emergency.

The government said the cabinet meeting that is due to decide on the measures was still ongoing. A news conference is expected around 2pm.

The development came as flights destined for Spain from the UK were forced to turn back mid-air on Saturday due to the health crisis.

Though Jet2 made the announcement it was cancelling all flights before Spain implemented the nationwide measure, the decision was made in light of a sharp rise in infections there and the declaration earlier this week of a state of emergency.

Health authorities in Spain said on Saturday coronavirus infections have reached 5,753 people, half of them in the capital, Madrid. That represents a national increase of over 1,500 in 24 hours.

Prime minister Pedro Sanchez acknowledged on Friday that the number of infections could reach 10,000 in the coming days.

Spain has followed Italy's path in implementing a similar lockdown after both European countries failed to contain the virus in regional hotspots.

Rest - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-spain-news-nationwide-lockdown-emergency-covid-19-a9402166.html

[Kathianne]

Israel ramping up lockdown:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487594-israel-closing-cafes-restaurants-and-movie-theaters-amid-coronavirus%3Famp

[Kathianne]

Judging from the parking lot, it’s not super busy. Less people to sneeze on me!:laugh:

[jimnyc]

To the disappointment of many Dems!

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BREAKING: Trump Tests Negative For Coronavirus

President Donald Trump has tested negative for the novel coronavirus, according to the commander-in-chief’s doctor.

“The White House released the test results Saturday night after Trump told reporters hours earlier that he had taken the coronavirus test, following days of resisting being screened despite the fact that he had been in recent contact with three people who have tested positive for the virus,” The Associated Press reported Saturday.

During a press conference concerning the virus on Friday, multiple reporters pressed the president with regard to testing. At the time, Trump said his doctors had not advised him to take a test, noting that he felt good.

Rest - https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-trump-tests-negative-for-coronavirus

[hjmick]

To the disappointment of many Dems!

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BREAKING: Trump Tests Negative For Coronavirus

President Donald Trump has tested negative for the novel coronavirus, according to the commander-in-chief’s doctor.

“The White House released the test results Saturday night after Trump told reporters hours earlier that he had taken the coronavirus test, following days of resisting being screened despite the fact that he had been in recent contact with three people who have tested positive for the virus,” The Associated Press reported Saturday.

During a press conference concerning the virus on Friday, multiple reporters pressed the president with regard to testing. At the time, Trump said his doctors had not advised him to take a test, noting that he felt good.

Rest - https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-trump-tests-negative-for-coronavirus


Great. Now we get to hear them ask, "That's one less test for the average American. Why'd he waste it?"

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Judging from the parking lot, it’s not super busy. Less people to sneeze on me!:laugh:
Isn't that odd, because here in WI, again, the traffic was insane, but ya know what I think it is? PANIC! Everybody is out trying to find ANYTHING to BUY. My sister said all the FROZEN FOOD IS GONE along with just about everything else. The idiots here in WI are going INSANE with PANIC HORDING, it's unbelievable.

I'm just tickled pink I live here in this little backwoods town, because the insane PANIC hasn't hit here. It might, but it hasn't yet. But I went over to McFarland today, (have to drive through Madison), to install that security camera system in Ma's apartment and the traffic, again, was nutso. So much for SELF QUARANTINING, for NOT GOING OUT and MINGLING. Seemed like EVERYBODY was out... maaaaan... unreal.

I'm just going to hunker down now and not go ANYWHERE. I'm staying put and seeing where this all goes. My truck isn't leaving the shop unless it's absolutely necessary. Thankfully I'm in a position where I do NOT have a need to leave my property.

[FakeNewsSux]

https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/02/Screen-Shot-2020-02-28-at-7.13.23-PM.png?resize=481%2C600&ssl=1

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[High_Plains_Drifter]

Good website for info, up to date, virtually by the minute...

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Oh this is going to help... I'm SURE it's BADLY needed... the headline says it all. No need to even post any text, unless you really want to read it... :laugh:

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Pornhub Offers Italians Free Premium Service During Coronavirus Quarantine

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/14/pornhub-offers-italians-free-premium-service-during-coronavirus-quarantine/

[hjmick]

Oh this is going to help... I'm SURE it's BADLY needed... the headline says it all. No need to even post any text, unless you really want to read it... :laugh:

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Pornhub Offers Italians Free Premium Service During Coronavirus Quarantine

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/14/pornhub-offers-italians-free-premium-service-during-coronavirus-quarantine/


Well, at least they won't be touching their face...

[Kathianne]

For those thinking in any way China is an honest brocket on any front:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/chinese-tycoon-who-criticized-xis-response-to-coronavirus-has-vanished/ar-BB11cw1k?li=AAgfYrC

[Kathianne]

Iran made choices:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/irans-coronavirus-strategy-favored-economy-over-public-health-leaving-both-exposed-11584272132

How did it work out this far?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-iran-idUSKBN2120G0

[Kathianne]

Another country hit:


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-kazakhstan-emergen-idUSKBN2120EX

[Kathianne]

NY and VA report 3 deaths from virus overnight. 2 in New York, 1 VA

[Kathianne]

Time for work, for the time being last of morning links, it’s related to above China post:

https://www.barrons.com/articles/chinas-economic-data-have-always-raised-questions-its-coronavirus-numbers-do-too-51581622840?mod=sm_fb_ad_kw&kwp_0=1596505&kwp_4=4771350&kwp_1=2021801&fbclid=IwAR1EflJjT6HV_ZZ1Suas91kskPpR9WwG36pq14HcN E2aRZBPW67GGA0XXfU

[High_Plains_Drifter]

For those thinking in any way China is an honest brocket on any front:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/chinese-tycoon-who-criticized-xis-response-to-coronavirus-has-vanished/ar-BB11cw1k?li=AAgfYrC
Apparently China is where NoKo gets many of it's ideas... China sets the example... :rolleyes:

I don't like China, never did, more than likely never will. I wish America would pull every last thing we have to do with that commie toilet out of there. Let's see how arrogant they are without all of America's money.

[Drummond]

I'm following UK stats on this a little less closely than I was. As it happens, though, I've just heard today's figures.

1,372 positive cases now. Of those ...35 deaths total, up from 21 yesterday.

A piece of news, describing a quite draconian step that may be introduced in the coming days:

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/health/over-70s-will-be-asked-self-isolate-four-months-fight-against-coronavirus-2451036


Over-70s will be asked to self-isolate for up to four months in fight against coronavirus

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said it is a "very big ask", but it is a measure which is for their own "self-protection".

In an acknowledgement of the almost wartime measures being introduced, Mr Hancock said the steps are "very, very significant and they will disrupt the ordinary lives of almost everybody in the country".

The gearing up of the Government's efforts comes as the UK's Covid-19 death toll rose on Saturday from 11 to 21, while the number of people testing positive for the disease passed the 1,000 mark.

Mr Hancock said that people aged over 70 will be asked in the coming weeks to self-isolate for up to four months, in order to protect them from the virus.

Asked if that was in the Government's plan, he told Sky's Sophy Ridge On Sunday: "That is in the action plan, yes, and we will be setting it out with more detail when it is the right time to do so, because we absolutely appreciate that it is a very big ask of the elderly and the vulnerable, and it's for their own self-protection."

Pressed on when the measure will be introduced, he said: "Certainly in the coming weeks, absolutely."

[jimnyc]

Here's a few more articles about instances taking place and less so about the overall numbers.

As a result of the flying and traveling bans, people are scrambling to get back home. And of course this means it's all Trump's fault. But then of course leave things as is, and more people die, and it would be all Trump's fault. A lot of crazy coverage out there about airports and wait times and customs...

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Virus screenings jam US airports; ‘atrocious,’ a flyer says

Long lines and hourslong waits for required medical screenings greeted weary travelers returning to some U.S. airports amid coronavirus-related travel restrictions.

The dense crowds Saturday at some of the 13 airports where travelers from Europe are being funneled — among the busiest across the country — formed even as public health officials called for “social distancing” to stem the spread of the pandemic.

Lines appeared to be shorter Sunday morning at the affected airports, but more flights had yet to arrive.

Austin Boschen was returning from a spring break trip to Jalisco, Mexico, with his girlfriend and described the situation Saturday at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport as “atrocious, no semblance of a line beyond the barriers and no officials or staff around to direct.”

He and his girlfriend managed to get near the front of the crowd and learned people there had already been waiting for two hours, he wrote in an email; he reached the head of the line 2 1/2 hours later, and then waited another hour and a half to see an agent.

“The entire time people in the crowd would yell out in anger, and Customs officers would yell at people to not take pictures,” he wrote. “Short chants among the room would start and stop periodically. It was very tense at times, the crowd was very agitated.”

In the end, he and his girlfriend missed their original flight, and then missed a rebooked flight, finally managing to catch a third after racing across the airport.

Lines were also long Saturday at Chicago’s O’Hare International, where Katy Rogers spent four hours in a tightly packed space with students, a basketball team, musicians and older people in wheelchairs.

“Everybody was nervous about it,” she said. “Everyone working there was confused and frustrated, and there were hands were tied, too.”

Rest - https://apnews.com/1510caddee80ea2d73363fab76d55967


And this here is just one of many. I've been reading articles from all over the world about people taking advantage, fights & all kinds of virus related problems.

This pandemic risks bringing out the worst in humanity

London (CNN)A woman at an Australian supermarket allegedly pulls a knife on a man in a confrontation over toilet paper. A Singaporean student of Chinese ethnicity is beaten up on the streets of London and left with a fractured face.

Protesters on the Indian Ocean island of Reunion welcome cruise passengers by hurling abuse and rocks at them.

The coronavirus risks bringing out the worst in humanity.

Never mind that Australia's toilet paper supply is plentiful, that the Singaporean has no links to the virus and that not a single passenger on the Princess cruise ship that docked in Reunion was infected.

Irrational and selfish incidents like these are likely the exception, not the rule, but an everyone-for-themselves mentality -- or each family, even each country -- appears to be growing, putting into question the world's ability to unite and slow the coronavirus' spread.

Leaders of affected nations are scrambling to seize some control of the situation. They impose restrictive measures in their countries, inject money into their economies, and promise their health systems will somehow find the extra beds, doctors and nurses they will inevitably need.

Yet there seems to be little coordination between countries to address what is by nature a global challenge.

Rest - https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/world/coronavirus-humanity-global-response-intl/index.html


LOCK HIM UP Coronavirus patient under 24/7 armed guard after REFUSING to self-isolate

A CORONAVIRUS patient in Kentucky has been placed under armed guard after refusing to self-isolate.

Gov. Andy Beshear said the state had to make the unusual move to protect others nearby.

Deputies are now stationed outside the 53-year-old man's house around-the-clock in Nelson County.

"It's a step I hoped I never had to take, but we can't allow one person who we know has this virus to refuse to protect their neighbors," Gov. Beshear told reporters.

The unidentified man is the only coronavirus patient in the county, and officials were worried that he could infect others.

A total of 18 people have tested positive in Kentucky.

The patient had left the hospital without permission, according to TV station WDRB.

"We've got to make sure that people who have tested positive, that we know could be spreading the virus, and simply refuse to do the right thing, do the right thing," the governor said, according to the Herald Leader.

County Judge-Executive Dean Watts declared a state of emergency and invoked an obscure statute to allow the forced self-quarantine, the newspaper reported.

The state is bracing for the possibility of many more positive cases, and the governor said hospitals should be prepared for that.

Rest - https://www.the-sun.com/news/539494/coronavirus-kentucky-patient-self-isolate-armed-guard/

[jimnyc]

deBlasio wants to lay the responsibility at the feet of the federal government - but at the same time he is choosing to leave open the largest school district in America.

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Bill de Blasio Criticized for Not Closing New York City Schools over Coronavirus

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is facing a wave of criticism this week over his refusal to shut down New York City public schools in response to the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak.

According to a report by the New York Post, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is facing mounting criticism over his refusal to shut down the New York City public school system.

Breitbart News reported last week that universities and colleges around the country are shutting down their campus as a precautionary measure against the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus. But some public school systems have hesitated to close schools over concerns that young students would be without parental supervision during an extended shutdown.

Michael Mulgrew, the president of the United Federation of Teachers, called on de Blasio to reverse course and shut down the public school system.

“We understand the immense disruption this will create for our families,” Mulgrew said. “But right now, more than a million students and staff crisscross the city every day on their way to schools, putting themselves and others at risk of exposure and increasing the likelihood of bringing exposure into their homes and communities.”

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/03/15/bill-de-blasio-criticized-for-not-closing-new-york-city-schools-over-coronavirus/


De Blasio: Our ‘Only Hope’ Is that Federal Government Realizes We’re in a War and Takes Over

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said on Sunday’s broadcast of CNN’s “State of the Union” that the United States “only hope” to stop the coronavirus outbreak is if the federal government “realizes we’re in a war and takes over the situation.

Host Brianna Keilar asked, “The president made several claims on Friday that the White House later had to clarify. Are you getting clear information from the White House, from the Trump Administration?”

De Blasio said, “No, Brianna, we haven’t for so long. On January 24, I held a press conference at the emergency management office, calling for the federal government to support us with localized testing. We didn’t get the ability to do localized testing until just about two weeks ago. We’re playing a huge game of catch-up in this country. Let me say it very bluntly. The federal government, at least in the last few days, has started to come alive and do something, but we are so far behind. We need massive testing all over the country, particularly in the affected areas. We need the federal government to take over the supply chain right now. Right now we have to make sure that the places in this country that need more ventilators, that need surgical masks, that need hand sanitizer, that that is a federalized dynamic where those factories that produce those goods are put on 24/7 shifts and those goods are distributed where they’re needed most as in wartime.”

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/15/de-blasio-our-only-hope-is-that-federal-government-realizes-were-in-a-war-and-takes-over/

[Drummond]

Here's a few more articles about instances taking place and less so about the overall numbers.

As a result of the flying and traveling bans, people are scrambling to get back home. And of course this means it's all Trump's fault. But then of course leave things as is, and more people die, and it would be all Trump's fault. A lot of crazy coverage out there about airports and wait times and customs...

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Virus screenings jam US airports; ‘atrocious,’ a flyer says

Long lines and hourslong waits for required medical screenings greeted weary travelers returning to some U.S. airports amid coronavirus-related travel restrictions.

The dense crowds Saturday at some of the 13 airports where travelers from Europe are being funneled — among the busiest across the country — formed even as public health officials called for “social distancing” to stem the spread of the pandemic.

Lines appeared to be shorter Sunday morning at the affected airports, but more flights had yet to arrive.

Austin Boschen was returning from a spring break trip to Jalisco, Mexico, with his girlfriend and described the situation Saturday at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport as “atrocious, no semblance of a line beyond the barriers and no officials or staff around to direct.”

He and his girlfriend managed to get near the front of the crowd and learned people there had already been waiting for two hours, he wrote in an email; he reached the head of the line 2 1/2 hours later, and then waited another hour and a half to see an agent.

“The entire time people in the crowd would yell out in anger, and Customs officers would yell at people to not take pictures,” he wrote. “Short chants among the room would start and stop periodically. It was very tense at times, the crowd was very agitated.”

In the end, he and his girlfriend missed their original flight, and then missed a rebooked flight, finally managing to catch a third after racing across the airport.

Lines were also long Saturday at Chicago’s O’Hare International, where Katy Rogers spent four hours in a tightly packed space with students, a basketball team, musicians and older people in wheelchairs.

“Everybody was nervous about it,” she said. “Everyone working there was confused and frustrated, and there were hands were tied, too.”

Rest - https://apnews.com/1510caddee80ea2d73363fab76d55967


And this here is just one of many. I've been reading articles from all over the world about people taking advantage, fights & all kinds of virus related problems.

This pandemic risks bringing out the worst in humanity

London (CNN)A woman at an Australian supermarket allegedly pulls a knife on a man in a confrontation over toilet paper. A Singaporean student of Chinese ethnicity is beaten up on the streets of London and left with a fractured face.

Protesters on the Indian Ocean island of Reunion welcome cruise passengers by hurling abuse and rocks at them.

The coronavirus risks bringing out the worst in humanity.

Never mind that Australia's toilet paper supply is plentiful, that the Singaporean has no links to the virus and that not a single passenger on the Princess cruise ship that docked in Reunion was infected.

Irrational and selfish incidents like these are likely the exception, not the rule, but an everyone-for-themselves mentality -- or each family, even each country -- appears to be growing, putting into question the world's ability to unite and slow the coronavirus' spread.

Leaders of affected nations are scrambling to seize some control of the situation. They impose restrictive measures in their countries, inject money into their economies, and promise their health systems will somehow find the extra beds, doctors and nurses they will inevitably need.

Yet there seems to be little coordination between countries to address what is by nature a global challenge.

Rest - https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/world/coronavirus-humanity-global-response-intl/index.html


LOCK HIM UP Coronavirus patient under 24/7 armed guard after REFUSING to self-isolate

A CORONAVIRUS patient in Kentucky has been placed under armed guard after refusing to self-isolate.

Gov. Andy Beshear said the state had to make the unusual move to protect others nearby.

Deputies are now stationed outside the 53-year-old man's house around-the-clock in Nelson County.

"It's a step I hoped I never had to take, but we can't allow one person who we know has this virus to refuse to protect their neighbors," Gov. Beshear told reporters.

The unidentified man is the only coronavirus patient in the county, and officials were worried that he could infect others.

A total of 18 people have tested positive in Kentucky.

The patient had left the hospital without permission, according to TV station WDRB.

"We've got to make sure that people who have tested positive, that we know could be spreading the virus, and simply refuse to do the right thing, do the right thing," the governor said, according to the Herald Leader.

County Judge-Executive Dean Watts declared a state of emergency and invoked an obscure statute to allow the forced self-quarantine, the newspaper reported.

The state is bracing for the possibility of many more positive cases, and the governor said hospitals should be prepared for that.

Rest - https://www.the-sun.com/news/539494/coronavirus-kentucky-patient-self-isolate-armed-guard/

Powers to arrest people who refuse to self-isolate are in our immediate future here in the UK (bear in mind that we have a Conservative Government in charge .. God alone knows what our Lefties would've dreamed up, in their place).

See:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus-police-power-arrest-patients-isolate/


The government are planning to give police the power to arrest coronavirus carriers who refuse to self-isolate, the Health Secretary has confirmed.

Matt Hancock said the government would "stop at nothing" to minimise the spread of the Covid-19 virus.

He confirmed a report that an emergency law is to be published next Thursday that will include giving police the power to arrest infected citizens.


Italy's taking the same line, although in their case, they've decided to associate draconian sentences for those convicted:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/12/people-coronavirus-italy-refuse-self-isolate-face-murder-charges-12385790/


Anyone showing symptoms of coronavirus in Italy who refuses to self-isolate could face 21 years in prison. Authorities warn that those who come down with a cough, fever or other signs of the deadly Sars-like disease who avoid going into quarantine could risk being charged with attempted murder.

The country is struggling to contain the spread of the bug and has confirmed more than 12,000 cases and 827 deaths. Italy has been put on a nationwide lockdown with all stores except for pharmacies and food outlets being ordered to close down. Citizens have also been told they are not allowed to travel unless for pressing health or work reasons. Anyone who comes down with a fever, cough, or other symptoms of the new coronavirus strain named Covid-19 who do not put themselves under self-isolation risk being charged with causing injury and be jailed for six months to three years.

[jimnyc]

Never mind politics at this time unlike a few of them... I don't care that he was a former Obama official. All I care about at this time is the truth and facts. And I still cannot say anything with any certainty.

So right now, a total of 162, 687 reported cases around the world. We are now up to 5,833 total deaths around the world. 75,620 people have recovered from the disease.

And with that data - they are already stating that at least 1 million Americans are already doomed for death in the next year and a half?

Now, I said no politics. But considering the year and a half period he mentions, is it possible it's going to be used in a manner to push back at Trump with yet more negativity? AND he has already stated that the million dead number is Trump's fault. Ok, I DO care that he's a former Obama official. I'm starting to believe less and less about these crazy amount of deaths predicted. Compare things with China (yes, I know, it's China and they may have a million dead for all we know...) and all the other data coming in. I'm just not sold, especially in an election year.

As I said earlier, I'll believe the truth and facts as they come in, not as much so with these crazy projections into the future.

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Ex-Obama Official Reports It’s Too Late to Stop ‘over 1 Million’ U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

This follow-up to my March 12 coronavirus piece comes with the same important caveats, important enough that I’m stating them up front: I’m not here to alarm anyone, and I am not here to scoff. I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I do know what our experts are saying, and this is me reporting what the experts are saying.

Andrew Slavitt, Barack Obama’s former acting administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), is quoting experts who say more than one million Americans are already doomed because the “virus was not contained.”

“Currently experts expect over 1 million deaths in the U.S. since the virus was not contained & we cannot even test for it,” Slavitt tweeted Thursday. “The original sin is Trump’s months long denial and his dismantling of public health and response infrastructure.”

Let’s be very clear about what Slavitt is saying…

AT THE VERY LEAST, ONE MILLION AMERICANS WILL DIE NO MATTER WHAT WE DO NEXT

In no uncertain terms, using these experts, Slavitt is saying that it is already too late to save a million Americans, and that more than one million Americans will be dead in the next 12 to 18 months.

He is saying that no matter what we do to contain and mitigate, no matter what we do going forward, it is fait accompli that more than one million Americans will die and that this is all President Trump’s fault.

Let’s be just as clear about who Slavitt is…

He is not some crank on Twitter. He is not some paranoid in a desert mobile home screaming from ham radio. Slavitt was appointed by the president of the United States to run CMS, and he did so for nearly two years.

Slavitt’s name and reputation is such that his opinion on this matter rates mentions in the Guardian, Washington Post, and New York Times.

Again, as I did in a previous piece laying out these terrifying estimates from America’s experts — the experts driving media coverage and by extension the government and corporate response that effectively shut down our economy last week — I want to make clear that I’m only here to report.

Slavitt also quoted experts who said that American hospitals will be overrun by March 23.

“By March 23 many of our largest cities & hospitals are on course to be overrun with cases,” he wrote.

SLAVITT’S SOURCE IS EVEN MORE DIRE

Slavitt is quoting a report (I noted in that earlier piece) that came from an “expert panel” (those are not scare quotes, that’s what the panel is called) that released a report highlighting the following… [emphasis is original]:


At this point, we are past containment. Containment is basically futile. Our containment efforts won’t reduce the number who get infected in the US.

40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that level you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population.

[We used their numbers to work out a guesstimate of deaths— indicating about 1.5 million Americans may die. The panelists did not disagree with our estimate. This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. Assume 50% of US population, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that’s 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.]


Again, I want to be precise and clear… The report amplified by Slavitt declaratively says — and I am quoting here: “Our containment efforts won’t reduce the number who get infected in the US … 40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. … [T]hat’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that’s 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.”

In other words, we are already past the point of no return and 1.6 million Americans are simply going to die — nothing we do now will stop 1.6 million Americans from dying.

That is the best case scenario, not the worst case scenario.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/15/nolte-ex-obama-official-reports-too-late-stop-1-million-u-s-coronavirus-deaths/

[Kathianne]

jimnyc

arrg!

https://medium.com/@donnellymjd/covid-19-new-york-will-be-the-next-italy-but-doesnt-have-to-be-54a5c8137d42

this is exponential growth. Shut it down

[jimnyc]

jimnyc

arrg!

https://medium.com/@donnellymjd/covid-19-new-york-will-be-the-next-italy-but-doesnt-have-to-be-54a5c8137d42

this is exponential growth. Shut it down

Oyyyyyyyy.

And like I posted, deBlasio refuses to shut down schools as of yet, because he knows the kids being home will be a burden on some. What do you want, a burden at home, or the spread of death?

I still don't know 100% facts, but people ARE dying. And even if these kids aren't dying off, who knows if they can carry it right now and spread it like wildfire, and especially so to elder folks.

[jimnyc]

Death panels - in Italy?

Perhaps not panels specifically saying you are dead and offing you with medicine. But someone may present themselves as sick as can be and potentially dying, only to be ignored due to their advanced age. Yikes!

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Death Panels: Officials in Hardest Hit Region in Italy Suggest 80-Year-Olds May Be Turned Away if Crisis Worsens

According to The Telegraph officials in the Turin region in Italy drafted a document that says 80-year-old coronavirus victims may be turned away if the crisis worsens.

Italy is the worst hit country in Europe and has more more coronavirus deaths than any country except China where the virus was first documented.

The Turin document is not in effect.
This was drawn up for the city in case the crisis worsens.

Europe and Italy are now the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic.

Rest - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/death-panels-officials-in-hardest-hit-region-in-italy-suggest-80-year-olds-may-be-turned-away-if-crisis-worsens/

[jimnyc]

That's a lot of dead people in a daily obituary - and apparently all just from one city!! Why the hell is Italy being hit so damn hard?

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Video of Italian Obituaries Puts Coronavirus Death Toll into Perspective

https://i.imgur.com/JejY3zn.jpg

A video posted to social media on Saturday shows a man flipping through an Italian newspaper to show the obituaries of those who have died from the coronavirus in just one city, putting Italy’s coronavirus death toll into perspective.

“Good morning, dear friends, I’m going to give you an idea on how we are situated in Bergamo on Sunday, February 9,” said the man speaking in the video, as he flipped through the newspaper to show just one page of obituaries due to the coronavirus.

In the video, a man speaking in Italian can be seen flipping through L’Eco di Bergamo, a newspaper of Bergamo, Italy, which is just northeast of Milan in the nation’s Lombardy region — the epicenter of Europe’s coronavirus crisis.

“Now let’s go look at Bergamo from today, Friday, March 13,” he added, before slowly flipping through the newspaper once again, counting a devastating ten pages showcasing the obituaries of Italians who died from the Chinese virus.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/15/video-of-italian-obituaries-puts-coronavirus-death-toll-into-perspective/

[Kathianne]

Death panels - in Italy?

Perhaps not panels specifically saying you are dead and offing you with medicine. But someone may present themselves as sick as can be and potentially dying, only to be ignored due to their advanced age. Yikes!

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Death Panels: Officials in Hardest Hit Region in Italy Suggest 80-Year-Olds May Be Turned Away if Crisis Worsens

According to The Telegraph officials in the Turin region in Italy drafted a document that says 80-year-old coronavirus victims may be turned away if the crisis worsens.

Italy is the worst hit country in Europe and has more more coronavirus deaths than any country except China where the virus was first documented.

The Turin document is not in effect.
This was drawn up for the city in case the crisis worsens.

Europe and Italy are now the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic.

Rest - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/death-panels-officials-in-hardest-hit-region-in-italy-suggest-80-year-olds-may-be-turned-away-if-crisis-worsens/

It's triage and is happening because the system is overwhelmingly swamped. No beds, no respirators, not enough staff-that's been working basically for weeks with little sleep. It's still getting worse.

For those younger and healthier, just think if you were in a car accident or had a child with something rather simple wrong-ER is basically full of contaminated, many dying people.

[Kathianne]

That's a lot of dead people in a daily obituary - and apparently all just from one city!! Why the hell is Italy being hit so damn hard?

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Video of Italian Obituaries Puts Coronavirus Death Toll into Perspective

https://i.imgur.com/JejY3zn.jpg

A video posted to social media on Saturday shows a man flipping through an Italian newspaper to show the obituaries of those who have died from the coronavirus in just one city, putting Italy’s coronavirus death toll into perspective.

“Good morning, dear friends, I’m going to give you an idea on how we are situated in Bergamo on Sunday, February 9,” said the man speaking in the video, as he flipped through the newspaper to show just one page of obituaries due to the coronavirus.

In the video, a man speaking in Italian can be seen flipping through L’Eco di Bergamo, a newspaper of Bergamo, Italy, which is just northeast of Milan in the nation’s Lombardy region — the epicenter of Europe’s coronavirus crisis.

“Now let’s go look at Bergamo from today, Friday, March 13,” he added, before slowly flipping through the newspaper once again, counting a devastating ten pages showcasing the obituaries of Italians who died from the Chinese virus.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/15/video-of-italian-obituaries-puts-coronavirus-death-toll-into-perspective/

They missed the chance to mitigate, leaving tourist sites, cafes, sporting events, etc. open. Perhaps in a perfect storm, Italy has the oldest population in the developed world, save Japan.

[Drummond]

Death panels - in Italy?

Perhaps not panels specifically saying you are dead and offing you with medicine. But someone may present themselves as sick as can be and potentially dying, only to be ignored due to their advanced age. Yikes!

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Death Panels: Officials in Hardest Hit Region in Italy Suggest 80-Year-Olds May Be Turned Away if Crisis Worsens

According to The Telegraph officials in the Turin region in Italy drafted a document that says 80-year-old coronavirus victims may be turned away if the crisis worsens.

Italy is the worst hit country in Europe and has more more coronavirus deaths than any country except China where the virus was first documented.

The Turin document is not in effect.
This was drawn up for the city in case the crisis worsens.

Europe and Italy are now the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic.

Rest - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/death-panels-officials-in-hardest-hit-region-in-italy-suggest-80-year-olds-may-be-turned-away-if-crisis-worsens/

Just goes to show ... the Italian and UK approaches are the opposite of each other. Then again, Italy is being driven by panic and maybe desperation. Here in the UK, we're operating according to a phased strategy .. a part of which is to go to 'extremes' to PROTECT the elderly.

We've seen how this epidemic can go, and the steps necessary to counter each scenario. We have counter-steps for each scenario foreseen. We're following method rather than panic.

[Kathianne]

Listening to the Coronavirus panel. Birks said that people should expect the numbers to begin to go up in next few days, even faster as time goes on. They expect it. It's why they are working to 'flatten the curve' to keep people that can be treated at home, at home. The hospitals can be overrun in any pandemic, HHS secretary said, that is why they are working hard now to try and get ahead.

Not once was the word 'containment' mentioned-that was out the window a few weeks ago.

Mitigation is the best scenario, but worse is coming regardless.

[jimnyc]

Another about the numbers, not sure if missed or not.

--

'Don't believe the numbers you see': Johns Hopkins professor says up to 500,000 Americans have coronavirus

The World Health Organization (WHO) declared COVID-19, also known as the new coronavirus, to be a pandemic on March 11.

The virus has killed thousands of people worldwide, with over 135,000 confirmed cases and over 5,000 deaths. Public reaction has been mixed — many people have been rushing to grocery stores to stock up for a potential quarantine, while others have called the responses to be an overreaction.

According to Dr. Marty Makary, a medical professor at Johns Hopkins University, the coronavirus is something that “people need to take seriously.”

“I’m concerned when I hear a neighbor or a friend say that they’re planning to go to a kid’s swim meet in three weeks or going on vacation next week,” Makary said on Yahoo Finance’s “On the Move” (video above) on Friday. “No — we’re about to experience the worst public health epidemic since polio.”

In the U.S. there are over 1,600 confirmed cases, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), with 41 deaths. Makary said that the number of cases, though, is likely much higher.

“Don’t believe the numbers when you see, even on our Johns Hopkins website, that 1,600 Americans have the virus,” he said. “No, that means 1,600 got the test, tested positive. There are probably 25 to 50 people who have the virus for every one person who is confirmed.”

He added: “I think we have between 50,000 and half a million cases right now walking around in the United States.”

Part of the reason the number of cases might be higher without people realizing it is because of the shortage of coronavirus testing kits from the CDC. Between Jan. 18 and March 12, there were 13,624 tests for COVID-19 conducted in the U.S. Meanwhile, South Korea has conducted over 100,000 tests, and the U.K. has tested nearly 25,000 people.

“The CDC did admit to a mistake in the rollout of the testing and let’s face it — they went with the wrong testing system,” Makary said. “It was an early decision. It lived deep within the CDC and they have acknowledged that mistake.”

Despite issues with having enough testing kits for coronavirus, Makary said this didn’t change how he and other health professionals have been treating their patients.

“If we see you with coronavirus, we treat you the same regardless of that test result,” he said. “If it’s influenza or coronavirus, we give you respiratory support when it is needed. We recommend the same precautions. It’s helpful to mitigate the spread but that’s where the testing situation stands now.”

Rest - https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/marty-makary-on-coronavirus-in-the-us-183558545.html

[Kathianne]

Yep, he's been saying the same for like 3 weeks and he's not a 'panic' guy. My understanding is that while the new rules by feds, state, and local governments are necessary, it won't lead to a sudden flattening of the curve. This means than in 13-15 days from what I've read, there will be a huge increase in the US-which happens to coincide with an increase in testing, hopefully people will understand the mix. A real increase and the better data increase.

I wrote yesterday about the nursing home in DuPage County, my old IL county. From what I read today, it's presumed to be community infection as there was no contact with a known infected person or anyone who's been traveling.

Just heard, DeBlasio just closed NYC schools until 4/20-perhaps the rest of the year.

[Kathianne]

The fed dropped interest rates to near 0, markets aren't impressed thus far:

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[NightTrain]

That's a lot of dead people in a daily obituary - and apparently all just from one city!! Why the hell is Italy being hit so damn hard?

I think it's probably one of the few countries being honest about what this bug actually does.

We can certainly expect that China and Iran have been lying about the numbers, because those two countries are habitual liars.

The others, USA included, are downplaying the numbers to avoid public panic. Hell, the stores are already cleaned out from suspicious citizens, can you imagine what it would have been like if the stark truth had been broadcast?

Part of USA's official commentary is partly based on insufficient testing, but I'm pretty sure the Feds have a pretty good idea as to where the numbers are, even if they can't be verified.

As bad as Italy is, wait til we see the numbers out of Ethiopia and Venezuela... those will be staggering, I have no doubt.

[jimnyc]

Apparently a leaked document out of the UK

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UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'

The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.

The document, seen by the Guardian, is the first time health chiefs tackling the virus have admitted that they expect it to circulate for another 12 months and lead to huge extra strain on an already overstretched NHS.

It also suggests that health chiefs are braced for as many as 80% of Britons becoming infected with the coronavirus over that time.

Prof Chris Whitty, the government’s chief medical adviser, has previously described that figure as the worst-case scenario and suggested that the real number would turn out to be less than that. However, the briefing makes clear that four in five of the population “are expected” to contract the virus.

The document says that: “As many as 80% of the population are expected to be infected with Covid-19 in the next 12 months, and up to 15% (7.9 million people) may require hospitalisation.”

Rest - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised

[Kathianne]

Primarily it hits the elderly, but not exclusively, as these cases in 1 hospital in NJ and the earlier link to the firefighters.


11 positives are all males — and all between the ages of 28 and 48.

https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/


Life at the epicenter of N.J.’s coronavirus outbreak
Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’
By Tom Bergeron
Teaneck | Mar 14, 2020 at 4:19 pm
Editor’s Desk


Eleven cases. Six of which are in the ICU. And 40 more patients under observation.


All at Holy Name Medical Center in Teaneck.


The numbers are growing by the day. So quickly that not all of them are included in the state’s official coronavirus count.


It’s why Holy Name CEO Mike Maron thinks all the attention the coronavirus has been getting in New Jersey — from the school closings, banning of public gatherings, suspensions of pro sports leagues and even the fights over toilet paper and bottled water — is not enough. Not even close.


“There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned,” he said.




Holy Name Medical Center CEO Mike Maron.


Maron and his staff are working around the clock under the most trying of conditions. The vitally important single-use N95 masks that are needed to care for patients who have been identified — you know, the ones the state is running out of? Holy Name went through 795 of them. Just on Friday. By 7 p.m.

...

Maron said the past week has been unlike any other in his more than four-decade career.


“I can fall back on my cholera experiences in Haiti, which was devastating, considering the lack of basic medical supplies after the earthquake — and then the other things that came here, everything from MERS and SARS, and even when we ramped up for Ebola — this is unprecedented,” he said.


“I can tell you, it’s real.”

...

Maron wants to get the word out. He wants to let everyone in the state know how bad this can be. His team is living it. And his reality, he said, is not matching what he’s seeing in the media.


“I’ve seen a bunch of headlines. Some people are out there saying: ‘They’re overplaying this. It’s not that contagious. It’s a little bit like the flu.’ It’s not.


“What we’ve seen in the patients who ultimately are positive is that things can turn very rapidly. We had a patient that we were thinking about releasing — he seemingly was recovering — and then, two days later, he was put in the ICU. The flu isn’t like that. People need to know this.”


Maron praises the move to shut down public gatherings. He feels it will slow the spread, but he worries about an unintended consequence of overconfidence.


He doesn’t want to incite hysteria. Just caution. Maron feels people need to take this very seriously.


“People have to take an element of self-responsibility and say: ‘I’m going to do my part. I’m going to stay home. I’m going to limit my group activities. I’m not going out to the theater or the mall or doing this stuff anymore.’


“We need to sort of hunker down at home. Go outside when the weather’s nice in your backyard. That’s healthy and good. But we shouldn’t be out and about.”

...

[FakeNewsSux]

https://youtu.be/kC6qtXQWMQU

[Kathianne]

https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/tpicu-500x600.jpg

[Kathianne]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-cautionary-tale-italy-dont-do-what-we-did/?p1=HP_Feed_ContentQuery

From what I'm reading this morning before off to work, seems people are at least beginning to get it, though still unhappy about the changes.

[Kathianne]

And HOPE!

https://apnews.com/171814c958c0fc0ee92d15ee035f9c35

Vaccine first trials to start.

[Kathianne]

Still not good, but so far better than some in the world. They have stopped the selling, until what time I am unsure. Markets are going to open, predicted they will fall 7% or more:

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[se7en]

I expect the market to suspend trading at some point until this situation gets resolved ,

we are having discussions on our forum about the virus
funny one member and 3 moderators on this

Hospitals are not receiving the help needed from the cdc or any other agency ,
as Patrick wrote from his infectious disease doc friend in layman's terms what happens with this Bio-weapon



It goes like this.
Bug hits eyes lungs nose.
Alarm goes off. Immune system knows there’s a bug in the wire, checks the database, but comes up bupkis.
Immune system calls out the Rangers, SEALS and a few Marines to get cracking. They find nothing but blast away just the same cause]I gotta massive inflammation.
All this fighting causes massive phlegm production in the lungs. Immune system turns up the furnace to try to cook off the bug, but the bug isn’t having it.
Snot production still in overdrive. Fills lungs. Sets up and...starves lung tissue of Oxygen cause tissue damage and leaves opening for secondary bacterial infection.
O2 saturation plummets. Other organs...liver, kidneys, heart, brain...well, anything that tends to require oxygen begin to suffer damage and infect with bacteria as well.
This isn’t days...this part...this is minutes. O2 is a big deal.
Sepsis leads to septic shock leads to zombie death rattle.

Doc checks clock and calls it.

Likely calls this death from pneumonia as Disgusting Chinese bio weapon makes hospital admin nervous and doesn’t look good on the big score board.

,,,,,

The Calvary isn’t coming.
nor is the sheriff.
nor any leo

prepare to defend yourself

my nephew is at Pendleton and I got a frenzied call at midnight my time.
Base is locked down tighter than a nuns ass.
Says mid level officers and a few other are locked up and taped in quarters 4 floors above him.

i tell wife early this a.m. and go feed the barn cat.
i came back and she said the news just said exactly what I had just told her.
Same base had two seize up and drop around Jan 24.

its been out of the bag a while.

kinds makes me wonder about that whole vape panic earlier that seem to evaporate when the data didn’t support it...I wonder....

[Kathianne]

South Africa is closing:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/south-africa-coronavirus-travel-ban

They have 60+cases and have learned from what’s happening elsewhere.

[NightTrain]

Just heard from one of the security guards here at the hospital that all restaurants are shut down all over Seattle.

[se7en]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/illinois-mayor-grants-herself-power-ban-gun-sales-and-alcohol-during-coronavirus-epidemic

Typical power grab

[jimnyc]

Dow Jones at nearly 11am and is down 1,923 already. :(

In our tri-state area they are recommending shutting down dining out.

Mayor deBlasio finally decides to shut down the NYC school system, for the next 4 weeks.

Gun sales are surging in many states. Don't know if folks think they'll disappear, or if they think there will be that much chaos?

[jimnyc]

Sure, go ahead, visit all the holy sites and lick away!

--

Another Iran Lawmaker Dies from Coronavirus as Death Toll Soars

Iran warned Monday the coronavirus pandemic could overwhelm local health facilities as the death toll topped 700 and another senior lawmaker died from the disease.

Ayatollah Bathaee, representative of Tehran in the Assembly of Experts, died age 78 on Monday morning, according to the semi-official Tasnim newsagency.

The cleric, who had been infected with coronavirus died at a hospital in Qom, the city where the first cases of coronavirus in Iran were detected.

The Assembly of Experts is a high-ranking body that elects and oversees the activities of the leader of the Islamic Revolution. Members of the assembly are directly elected to office for an eight-year term and work alongside cabinet members who have also been testing positive for the disease.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2020/03/16/another-iran-lawmaker-dies-from-coronavirus-as-death-toll-soars/

[Kathianne]

Just heard from one of the security guards here at the hospital that all restaurants are shut down all over Seattle.
IL did same, all restaurants and bars closed. Drive thrus open

[jimnyc]

A couple of twidiots still running with lies about this "hoax" crap, and of course no one edits or stops them, as they know there are still idiots out there watching them that will believe it.

--

Arrogant CNN ‘Hosts’ Repeatedly LIE, Insist Trump Dubbed the Coronavirus a ‘Hoax’

In a horrendous lie on CNN first flagged by the Trump campaign, CNN hosts Ana Cabrera and Boris Sanchez displayed gross arrogance, immaturity, and snarkiness in repeatedly lying by telling viewers on Saturday and Sunday that President Trump initially chalked up the coronavirus to having been “a hoax.”

Fact-checker (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/) after fact-checker (https://checkyourfact.com/2020/02/29/fact-check-donald-trump-coronavirus-hoax-south-carolina-rally/) (and even liberal ones like The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/13/biden-ad-manipulates-video-slam-trump/)) decried this falsehood, but in Zuckerville, such gaslighting is not only encouraged, but it’s become a requirement to survive at CNN.

Sunday afternoon, Cabrera directly blamed the President for the coronavirus outbreak and peddled the “hoax” lie. As part of a seven-minute meltdown, she insisted that a lack of funding for an Obama-instituted program on pandemics.

“The words of an American president during a time of global crisis matter the world over. President Trump is trading on the credibility of an office he did not create. So where will the world turn when it is taught to turn off a President who said this in India less than three weeks ago,” an offended Cabrera lectured, which led to a soundbite of Trump predicting that the virus would “go away.”

Rest - https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2020/03/16/arrogant-cnn-hosts-repeatedly-lie-viewers-insist-trump-called

[jimnyc]

A young Andrew Yang in the making.

--

Romney proposes giving $1,000 to every American adult as coronavirus response measure

Washington (CNN)Republican Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah on Monday outlined a list of proposals to address the coronavirus outbreak, including giving all American adults $1,000 in response to fallout from the spread of the disease.

Romney's office framed the proposals as a way to ensure economic stability for working Americans.

"Every American adult should immediately receive $1,000 to help ensure families and workers can meet their short-term obligations and increase spending in the economy," a release from Romney's office states, adding, "Congress took similar action during the 2001 and 2008 recessions. While expansions of paid leave, unemployment insurance, and SNAP benefits are crucial, the check will help fill the gaps for Americans that may not quickly navigate different government options."

In addition to that, Romney's proposals call for providing grants to affected small businesses, measures aimed at easing financial burdens for students during this time and actions to bolster telehealth services amid the outbreak.

The House and Senate have already taken action to respond to the coronavirus outbreak, but lawmakers on both sides of the aisle say that more must be done for public health and welfare and for the economy amid mounting fears over the disease.

Rest - https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/politics/coronavirus-romney-proposal/index.html

[NightTrain]

Sounds like Mittens is trying to buy voter goodwill after his recent treachery.

I sincerely hope Utah kicks his sorry ass to the curb the next time he's up for reelection.

[jimnyc]

Coronavirus: New York Gov. Cuomo Warns of ‘Major Crisis’ at Hospitals

Appearing Monday on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) warned a “major crisis” at hospitals in his state is weeks away as healthcare workers scramble to treat patients with coronavirus.

A partial transcript is as follows:


KATTY KAY: You’ve seen the pictures from Europe of countries like Italy and Spain on near-total lockdown. Do you think we’re going to get to that stage here in the United States? Do you think you’re going to get to that stage in New York City? In Rome, at the moment, you cannot go out in the streets unless you have a special pass that lets you go out into the streets. Police will stop you and check your paperwork. Is that where a state like New York is heading?

GOV. ANDREW CUOMO: I hope not and I don’t believe so. I don’t even believe you can do that in this society. But, I’m going to be announcing more actions today. We closed the schools yesterday, making sure there’s childcare for healthcare workers, because again, this all comes down to hospital capacity. Some of these states have closed schools and made no capacity for childcare and now you see healthcare workers and nurses not showing up. Closing schools, closing bars, closing restaurants, closing mass gatherings, we’ll be doing more of that. Right now, the numbers are continuing to spike, so you have to ratchet down on the density control if you’re going to get those numbers anywhere near where you can manage them in the hospital system. For me, my priority is turning to the hospital system because that’s where we’re going to have a major crisis and it’s weeks away.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/16/coronavirus-new-york-gov-cuomo-warns-of-major-crisis-at-hospitals/

[Drummond]

This is so ridiculous - and OBSCENE - that I have to fervently hope that it's a hoax.

Apparently .. Trump wanted 'exclusive rights' to developing a vaccine, and this was going to be an 'America only' vaccine.

See:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/german-officials-to-discuss-reported-us-attempt-to-buy-exclusive-rights-to-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB11fncB?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout


BERLIN —German officials will discuss a reported U.S. attempt to secure the rights to any coronavirus vaccine developed by a German pharmaceutical company in crisis meetings on Monday, the country's interior minister said, amid concerns that the Trump administration was trying to monopolize the market.

Interior Minister Horst Seehofer, when asked to confirm a report the Trump administration was attempting to secure exclusive rights to any vaccine created by the German biopharmaceutical firm CureVac, said he had “heard from several other members of government today that is the case.”

Germany’s Welt am Sonntag newspaper reported Sunday that the administration wanted to secure the rights and move research and development to the United States. The vaccine would be developed “only for the USA,” the newspaper said.

Well, now. I dare to be from a place other than America. Worse ... I dare to want to live.

How dare I, eh ?

Let this be a hoax. Because if it isn't, it constitutes 'Master Race' thinking, where nationalities other than American are considered unworthy of essential medicine, just BECAUSE they fail to be American.

[NightTrain]

This is so ridiculous - and OBSCENE - that I have to fervently hope that it's a hoax.

Apparently .. Trump wanted 'exclusive rights' to developing a vaccine, and this was going to be an 'America only' vaccine.

See:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/german-officials-to-discuss-reported-us-attempt-to-buy-exclusive-rights-to-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB11fncB?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout



Well, now. I dare to be from a place other than America. Worse ... I dare to want to live.

How dare I, eh ?

Let this be a hoax. Because if it isn't, it constitutes 'Master Race' thinking, where nationalities other than American are considered unworthy of essential medicine, just BECAUSE they fail to be American.

MSNBC is even worse than CNN when it comes to fake news. I'm positive it's bullshit.

[Drummond]

MSNBC is even worse than CNN when it comes to fake news. I'm positive it's bullshit.

Hope so ... thanks.

I'll check the BBC in a moment. I'll bet the BBC aren't reporting this ... either because it is a hoax, or, because it isn't 'PC' enough to recognise as a news story. LBC radio on at the moment, and they're concentrating on the latest measures our Government wants to apply to restrict freedom of movement. Nothing said about this 'America Only' vaccine.

[NightTrain]

Hope so ... thanks.

I'll check the BBC in a moment. I'll bet the BBC aren't reporting this ... either because it is a hoax, or, because it isn't 'PC' enough to recognise as a news story. LBC radio on at the moment, and they're concentrating on the latest measures our Government wants to apply to restrict freedom of movement. Nothing said about this 'America Only' vaccine.

If we're the ones to crack this, it'll be immediately shared with the world. We haven't changed, despite the liberals claiming otherwise.

[Kathianne]

Hope so ... thanks.

I'll check the BBC in a moment. I'll bet the BBC aren't reporting this ... either because it is a hoax, or, because it isn't 'PC' enough to recognise as a news story. LBC radio on at the moment, and they're concentrating on the latest measures our Government wants to apply to restrict freedom of movement. Nothing said about this 'America Only' vaccine.
I just checked for this in news, all I found was box repeating msnbc and same with the Guardian.

Every other article was was about the trial I posted about yesterday. If such a thing was real, NYT, WaPo and every mainstream media would be all over it

[Kathianne]

Another totalitarian regime is starting on the truth:
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/03/16/happening-coronavirus-russia/

Oh yeah, cradle to grave healthcare

[Drummond]

Hope so ... thanks.

I'll check the BBC in a moment. I'll bet the BBC aren't reporting this ... either because it is a hoax, or, because it isn't 'PC' enough to recognise as a news story. LBC radio on at the moment, and they're concentrating on the latest measures our Government wants to apply to restrict freedom of movement. Nothing said about this 'America Only' vaccine.

Sure enough: checked the BBC website ... nothing. Likewise nothing on LBC radio.

From my - obvious !! - point of view, if this story IS in fact true, it'd be unforgivable, & not just by me. I'm guessing it'd render the US a 'pariah State' in no time flat.

[NightTrain]

Another totalitarian regime is starting on the truth:
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/03/16/happening-coronavirus-russia/

Oh yeah, cradle to grave healthcare


I remember seeing Moscow on the John Hopkins map about 2 weeks ago... I'd bet a great deal of money that it's more than 93.

[Kathianne]

Sure enough: checked the BBC website ... nothing. Likewise nothing on LBC radio.

From my - obvious !! - point of view, if this story IS in fact true, it'd be unforgivable, & not just by me. I'm guessing it'd render the US a 'pariah State' in no time flat.
It’s nearly a certain lie. In any case, vaccines are overrated when enough people have natural immunity.

[Drummond]

Another totalitarian regime is starting on the truth:
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/03/16/happening-coronavirus-russia/

Oh yeah, cradle to grave healthcare

According to the link: 93 infected, no deaths.

It DOES follow the UK experience. We'd hit 206 confirmed cases, and at that point we'd only recorded our second death ....

There is most probably under-reporting going on, though.

[Drummond]

It’s nearly a certain lie. In any case, vaccines are overrated when enough people have natural immunity.:clap::clap::clap:

Exactly !!!

This is why Boris's strategy, criticised by so many, is in fact sound. Without a vaccine likely anytime soon, what better solution could there be, but to work towards a herd immunity effect ?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

My son said he just went to one of the bigger gun shops around LaX, WI, and he said the place was PACKED and ammo is disappearing fast.

[jimnyc]

This is so ridiculous - and OBSCENE - that I have to fervently hope that it's a hoax.

Apparently .. Trump wanted 'exclusive rights' to developing a vaccine, and this was going to be an 'America only' vaccine.

See:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/german-officials-to-discuss-reported-us-attempt-to-buy-exclusive-rights-to-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB11fncB?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout



Well, now. I dare to be from a place other than America. Worse ... I dare to want to live.

How dare I, eh ?

Let this be a hoax. Because if it isn't, it constitutes 'Master Race' thinking, where nationalities other than American are considered unworthy of essential medicine, just BECAUSE they fail to be American.

I would agree and be ticked if Trump tried such a maneuver. And it sounds not like him at all.

I found this...

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German biotech firm rejects reports of Trump vaccine offer

A German biotech firm on Monday flatly denied newspaper reports that US president Donald Trump had offered it a large sum of money for exclusive rights to a coronavirus vaccine.

"CureVac has not received from the US government or related entities an offer before, during and since the Task Force meeting in the White House on March 2. CureVac rejects all allegations from press," the company tweeted.

Citing sources close to the German government, Die Welt newspaper had previously reported that Trump had offered "a billion dollars" to secure research into a vaccine by CureVac "only for the United States".

The report came shortly after the firm announced that CEO Daniel Menichella had been replaced by Ingmar Hoerr, just weeks after Menichella met with Trump and representatives of pharma companies in Washington.

It prompted a furious response in Berlin, with government ministers lining up to condemn the alleged attempt to poach German research.

"German researchers play a leading role in drug and vaccine development and we cannot allow others to seek exclusive results," Foreign Minister Heiko Maas told the Funke media group.

"Germany is not for sale," economy minister Peter Altmaier told broadcaster ARD on Sunday.

In a more detailed statement on its website, CureVac added: "Internal efforts are focused on the development of a coronavirus vaccine with the goal to reach, help and to protect people and patients worldwide."

On Sunday, a US official also told AFP that the report had been "wildly overplayed".

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-german-biotech-firm-trump-vaccine.html

[jimnyc]

I wanted to announce this in it's own thread, but we haven't gotten there yet, nothing done, just another thought right now...

But will we be the next such national shutdown?

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U.S. Sen. Tom Cotton: It Is Time for a National ‘Shutdown’

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) on Monday called for the United States to take more drastic measures to address the Chinese coronavirus pandemic, including a national “shutdown” that would only exclude “absolutely essential work” and stipends to affected workers to assist them in paying their bills as the pandemic continues to unfold across the globe.

“The time has come for extraordinary measures to combat the Chinese coronavirus. What seems extreme today will seem obvious tomorrow,” Cotton, an outspoken skeptic of the House’s relief package, said on Monday.

Cotton prefaced his proposal by referring to Italy, which now faces a health care crisis after an explosion of coronavirus cases in the nation. The crisis has led to overwhelmed hospitals rationing care for older, sicker patients.

The U.S. senator believes that the United States can effectively “shorten the risk to Americans’ health and the economic hardships” if drastic action is taken now. That includes issuing cash stipends to affected workers and a national “shutdown,” which would stop all “essential activities.”

“Call it what you want—a shutdown, quarantine, curfew, whatever. But only absolutely essential work should continue: groceries, pharmacies, supply transport, health care, electricity, water, sanitation, etc. Everyone else should stay home,” Cotton contends.

“Shut down all but essential government agencies & services. At federal, state, and local levels, officials working to arrest the virus’s spread and mitigate its economic harm (and other essential services like food aid and VA care) must continue working,” he continues. “No one else should.”

He adds:


The military must prepare for defense support of civil authorities, especially at hospitals, nursing homes, etc., & do whatever is needed to increase our capacity to treat patients. Our military plans for exactly this kind of contingency. Our doctors and nurses may need them. As Dr. Anthony Fauci said yesterday, “we’ll be thankful that we overreacted” if we arrest the spread of the virus, preserve hospital capacity, and save lives.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/16/u-s-senator-tom-cotton-it-is-time-for-a-national-shutdown/

[jimnyc]

Not good, the Dow Jones is taking a killing today.

https://i.imgur.com/R8ZKExv.png

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I wanted to announce this in it's own thread, but we haven't gotten there yet, nothing done, just another thought right now...

But will we be the next such national shutdown?

--

U.S. Sen. Tom Cotton: It Is Time for a National ‘Shutdown’

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) on Monday called for the United States to take more drastic measures to address the Chinese coronavirus pandemic, including a national “shutdown” that would only exclude “absolutely essential work” and stipends to affected workers to assist them in paying their bills as the pandemic continues to unfold across the globe.

“The time has come for extraordinary measures to combat the Chinese coronavirus. What seems extreme today will seem obvious tomorrow,” Cotton, an outspoken skeptic of the House’s relief package, said on Monday.

Cotton prefaced his proposal by referring to Italy, which now faces a health care crisis after an explosion of coronavirus cases in the nation. The crisis has led to overwhelmed hospitals rationing care for older, sicker patients.

The U.S. senator believes that the United States can effectively “shorten the risk to Americans’ health and the economic hardships” if drastic action is taken now. That includes issuing cash stipends to affected workers and a national “shutdown,” which would stop all “essential activities.”

“Call it what you want—a shutdown, quarantine, curfew, whatever. But only absolutely essential work should continue: groceries, pharmacies, supply transport, health care, electricity, water, sanitation, etc. Everyone else should stay home,” Cotton contends.

“Shut down all but essential government agencies & services. At federal, state, and local levels, officials working to arrest the virus’s spread and mitigate its economic harm (and other essential services like food aid and VA care) must continue working,” he continues. “No one else should.”

He adds:

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/16/u-s-senator-tom-cotton-it-is-time-for-a-national-shutdown/
Yep... here we go... it's not going to have to get much worse and this will be it.

And like I said, deploying military around will be next, and I think it'll be as much to get them IN PLACE in case of anarchy as much as for any other sort of support role.

[Drummond]

I would agree and be ticked if Trump tried such a maneuver. And it sounds not like him at all.

I found this...

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German biotech firm rejects reports of Trump vaccine offer

A German biotech firm on Monday flatly denied newspaper reports that US president Donald Trump had offered it a large sum of money for exclusive rights to a coronavirus vaccine.

"CureVac has not received from the US government or related entities an offer before, during and since the Task Force meeting in the White House on March 2. CureVac rejects all allegations from press," the company tweeted.

Citing sources close to the German government, Die Welt newspaper had previously reported that Trump had offered "a billion dollars" to secure research into a vaccine by CureVac "only for the United States".

The report came shortly after the firm announced that CEO Daniel Menichella had been replaced by Ingmar Hoerr, just weeks after Menichella met with Trump and representatives of pharma companies in Washington.

It prompted a furious response in Berlin, with government ministers lining up to condemn the alleged attempt to poach German research.

"German researchers play a leading role in drug and vaccine development and we cannot allow others to seek exclusive results," Foreign Minister Heiko Maas told the Funke media group.

"Germany is not for sale," economy minister Peter Altmaier told broadcaster ARD on Sunday.

In a more detailed statement on its website, CureVac added: "Internal efforts are focused on the development of a coronavirus vaccine with the goal to reach, help and to protect people and patients worldwide."

On Sunday, a US official also told AFP that the report had been "wildly overplayed".

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-german-biotech-firm-trump-vaccine.html

Yes, this is exactly what the 'Americans ONLY' story was based on ... the idea being that the research would be poached, moved entirely to the US, then whatever it produced wouldn't be allowed outside America.

[Drummond]

My son said he just went to one of the bigger gun shops around LaX, WI, and he said the place was PACKED and ammo is disappearing fast.

Yep, I'll bet it was.

This is the perfect illustration of the UK's stupidity. Here, people MUST depend on society for everything. If society crumbles, becomes dysfunctional ... we all go down with it.

A 'lambs to the slaughter' approach.

[jimnyc]

Yes, this is exactly what the 'Americans ONLY' story was based on ... the idea being that the research would be poached, moved entirely to the US, then whatever it produced wouldn't be allowed outside America.

Trump would never even attempt such. Anyone attempting such would be committing political suicide AND would not succeed anyway.

[jimnyc]

Amazing how quickly the numbers of public gatherings gets lowered and lowered. It was 1,000, then 500, then 200, then 50 and now it's set at a recommendation of no more than 10.

Eating is getting harder. Already the numbers are slowly dwindling in supply, but not bad at all yet. They recommend not dining out and get delivery and take out.

I think everyone already sees/knows the status of all disinfectants and soap types across the board.

181,000+ total cases worldwide. 7,100+ deaths.

4,281 known cases in the USA. 74 deaths in the USA.

Then a few pics:

How quickly things changed worldwide:

https://i.imgur.com/zTEnTGR.png

And how quickly it latched onto the USA:

https://i.imgur.com/kxAfwEO.png

And how quickly it rose in NY, and our state unfortunately leads in cases thus far.

https://i.imgur.com/UWwtk2T.png

[Drummond]

If this doesn't show us how badly Europe has been hit .. according to LBC News, ISIS has issued a 'travel advisory' for all its people !!

It says (paraphrasing); 'If you intended to go to Europe, don't. If you're already there, don't leave.'

[hjmick]

12386

[jimnyc]

So the orders to stay in begin.

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Bay Area authorities place strictest order in country: ‘Shelter in place,’ only essential businesses open in 6 counties

Six Bay Area counties announced a “shelter in place” order for all residents on Monday — the strictest measure of its kind in the country — directing everyone to stay inside their homes and away from others as much as possible for the next three weeks as public health officials desperately try to curb the rapid spread of coronavirus across the region.

The directive begins at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday and involves San Francisco, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Marin, Contra Costa and Alameda counties — a combined population of more than 6.7 million. It is to stay in place until at least April 7. Three other Bay Area counties — Sonoma, Solano and Napa — were not immediately included.

The order falls just short of a full lockdown, which would forbid people from leaving their homes without explicit permission. The order calls for county and city sheriffs or police chiefs to “ensure compliance,” and local authorities said they would not “rush to enforce” the directives as residents adjusted to understand what activities are no longer allowed.

“We were seeing a tipping point here in Santa Clara County with exponential growth of our cases,” said Dr. Sara Cody, health offcier for Santa Clara County, at a news conference Monday. The county has 138 cases as of Monday — an increase of 24 overnight. “Over the weekend, I had a discussion with fellow health officers in the Bay Area and we realized that we are one region, and that what’s happening in Santa Clara County today will soon be happening in the adjacent jurisdictions. We decided collectively we need to stake swift action as soon as possible to prevent further spread.

“These orders were crafted with great thought and with great care,” Cody said. “They were also crafted very, very quickly.” She said residents would get more information over the coming days as to what exactly is expected of them — but the priority is to stay inside and and away from others.

Rest - https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Bay-Area-must-shelter-in-place-Only-15135014.php

[jimnyc]

This is so ridiculous - and OBSCENE - that I have to fervently hope that it's a hoax.

Apparently .. Trump wanted 'exclusive rights' to developing a vaccine, and this was going to be an 'America only' vaccine.

See:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/german-officials-to-discuss-reported-us-attempt-to-buy-exclusive-rights-to-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB11fncB?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout



Well, now. I dare to be from a place other than America. Worse ... I dare to want to live.

How dare I, eh ?

Let this be a hoax. Because if it isn't, it constitutes 'Master Race' thinking, where nationalities other than American are considered unworthy of essential medicine, just BECAUSE they fail to be American.

And this is how some handle it over here after getting busted. They silently weasel into the darkness. :rolleyes:

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Reuters Stealth-Edits Debunked Story Claiming Trump Sought ‘Monopoly’ on COVID-19 Vaccine

A report from a German newspaper claiming that President Donald Trump wanted to secure exclusive American access to a coronavirus vaccine has proven to be false, but only after the story was repeated and spread by mainstream media outlets including Reuters, The Guardian, and Business Insider.

Reuters later stealth-edited its story to incorporate official statements denying the original newspaper report. But a New York Times journalist had already shared the Reuters article before it was altered. An MSNBC producer also shared the story.

The German newspaper Welt am Sonntag published a story Sunday claiming that White House officials had offered about $1 billion to the German biopharmaceutical firm CureVac to move to the U.S. and to make a coronavirus vaccine for the U.S. only. The company has indicated that it hopes to have a vaccine by June or July.

The newspaper cited an anonymous source in the German government claiming to “confirm” that President Trump wanted the vaccine “only for the United States,” then covered reactions from German politicians, who declared “no country should have a monopoly on any future vaccine,” according to the summary from reporters Paul Carrel and Andreas Rinke.

https://i.imgur.com/ryYJPt8.png

But the story quickly fell apart. CureVac issued a statement on Twitter denying that it received an offer from the U.S. government. “CureVac rejects all allegations from press,” the firm said.

https://i.imgur.com/RfzMZcf.png

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/03/16/reuters-stealth-edits-debunked-story-claiming-trump-sought-monopoly-on-covid-19-vaccine/

[jimnyc]

Donald Trump: No Nationwide Quarantine for Coronavirus

President Donald Trump reassured Americans on Monday at the White House that he was not considering a nationwide quarantine of Americans.

“At this point, not nationwide,” Trump said, noting that some places in the country were not affected by the virus at all.

The president spoke to reporters in the White House press briefing room on Monday afternoon and responded to questions about whether he was even considering a nationwide lockdown or quarantine.

“We may look at certain areas, certain hotspots, as they call them. We’ll be looking at that,” he said. “At this moment, no, we’re not.

The president praised Americans for socially isolating.

“People are self-containing to a large extent,” Trump said. “We look forward to the day when we can get back to normal.”

Dr. Anthony Fauci said that Americans in states with community transmission of the disease should avoid all restaurants, gyms, bars, food courts, theaters, and any groups for at least the next 15 days.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/16/donald-trump-no-nationwide-quarantine-for-coronavirus/

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I'm really "SICK" of china and their CRAP. I don't like their shitty goods, and I don't like their commie regime, and I don't like their arrogance. I hope this virus teaches the US that among things like pulling all our pharmaceutical needs out of there, we should look at EVERYTHING we buy from them that could be deemed critical. In fact, I wish we'd just pull it ALL out, leave the cocky bastards sitting wondering what the hell they do now that all that American cash is GONE. Throw their ass back to where they were a hundred years ago.

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China: The West ‘Surrendered’ to Wuhan Coronavirus

China’s Global Times propaganda newspaper repeatedly attacked Western democracies on Sunday for its measures to control the Chinese coronavirus, the spread of which the Chinese government facilitated for months before alerting the world to the new pathogen.

More: https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/03/16/china-the-west-surrendered-to-wuhan-coronavirus/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2DIqf9DqnBFXQlSpvNF01hX5ICi-HTiXz1Af0E7iIBlrkevSJEJGP3saY

[High_Plains_Drifter]

They're talking about shutting down all the bars and restaurants in WI now, until WHENEVER. Ya, next thing you know all the BOOZE and BEER will be gone here... :cheers2:

I'm pretty good friends with a guy that owns two bar/restaurants. Has a wife and two little kids. I hope he could survive.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Tennessee brothers who stockpiled nearly 18,000 bottles of hand sanitizer donate stash

https://www.foxnews.com/us/tennessee-brothers-give-away-hand-sanitizer?fbclid=IwAR2FKyopXdb7OzG9zxy2kC0AK4mz2A4 93E9yV0PDwAGCtd6YjMG0auPm4OA

[High_Plains_Drifter]

My turn to post a few...

https://i.ibb.co/VDWD9P9/bug.jpg (https://ibb.co/gwMw9B9)

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://i.ibb.co/4mW3pK2/89495430-3168340046510421-2219512968268218368-o.jpg (https://ibb.co/K06SWbD)

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://i.ibb.co/NV5ZgXB/89815558-3096899670322979-1766807906142912512-n.jpg (https://ibb.co/f1f4Vbw)

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://i.ibb.co/tHr74wD/89963893-3607181542689379-1452242865001332736-n.jpg (https://ibb.co/Rgwx9Gc)

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://i.ibb.co/8bNvJNs/90016587-10158374926789407-1073017241542328320-n.jpg (https://ibb.co/kJ5bp5B)

[se7en]

https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/truckers-face-major-delivery-issues-as-widespead-panic-over-coronavirus-outbreak-causes-delays/

Truckers face major delivery issues as widespead panic over Coronavirus outbreak causes delays March 13, 2020 (https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/truckers-face-major-delivery-issues-as-widespead-panic-over-coronavirus-outbreak-causes-delays/) Stephen Oatley (https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/author/steveoatley1/) 2070 Views 0 Comments (https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/truckers-face-major-delivery-issues-as-widespead-panic-over-coronavirus-outbreak-causes-delays/#respond) coronavirus (https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/tag/coronavirus/)
Social media posts depicting some of the challenges truckers are facing at pickups and deliveries as a direct result of the widespread panic revolving around the Coronavirus outbreak and the way some shippers and receivers are choosing to protect their employees.
Earlier in the week we reported (https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/gm-facilities-require-drivers-fill-out-health-questionnaires-before-getting-loaded-or-unloaded/) several shippers were requiring drivers fill out health questionnaires to confirm they were not feeling ill and had not previously traveled out of the country. Yesterday we began seeing reports of drivers who were refused at loading, or worse, offloading facilities because they “appeared sick.”


Drivers are posting images of emails and photos of messages stating new policies some shippers are starting to implement in an effort to protect their facilities from a driver that may or may not be infected with COVID-19. Reinhart Foodservice posted a message stating “UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. Due to Coronavirus pandemic, we are not allowing truck drivers to us in this building. You will need to hire a lumper and wait in your truck.” For those who do not know, a lumper is a service who offloads your truck for a fee, which you then attempt to be reimbursed from your customer, often with issues.

Another message told drivers that they must stay in their truck, will not be permitted inside the “mill or offices,” and would not have access to the restrooms at the facility they were delivering to in an effort to keep “everyone safe and healthy.”
Other drivers are reporting extremely long wait times at shippers, with driver reporting the wait line to load at one Proctor and Gamble facility in Tunkhannock, PA extended onto the state highway with hundreds of trucks waiting to load. It was reported that one receiver in California reportedly shut down, refusing to offload over twenty trucks waiting onsite.
As the outbreak continues to spread and additional manufacturing facilities reduce staffing in an effort to keep their company “safe and healthy, what happens to the truckers on the road? These drivers are the ones responsible for restocking the shelves with items that people are panic buying.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/truckers-face-major-delivery-issues-as-widespead-panic-over-coronavirus-outbreak-causes-delays/

Truckers face major delivery issues as widespead panic over Coronavirus outbreak causes delays

March 13, 2020 (https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/truckers-face-major-delivery-issues-as-widespead-panic-over-coronavirus-outbreak-causes-delays/) Stephen Oatley (https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/author/steveoatley1/) 2070 Views 0 Comments (https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/truckers-face-major-delivery-issues-as-widespead-panic-over-coronavirus-outbreak-causes-delays/#respond) coronavirus (https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/tag/coronavirus/)
Social media posts depicting some of the challenges truckers are facing at pickups and deliveries as a direct result of the widespread panic revolving around the Coronavirus outbreak and the way some shippers and receivers are choosing to protect their employees.
Earlier in the week we reported (https://www.freightbrokerlive.com/gm-facilities-require-drivers-fill-out-health-questionnaires-before-getting-loaded-or-unloaded/) several shippers were requiring drivers fill out health questionnaires to confirm they were not feeling ill and had not previously traveled out of the country. Yesterday we began seeing reports of drivers who were refused at loading, or worse, offloading facilities because they “appeared sick.”


Drivers are posting images of emails and photos of messages stating new policies some shippers are starting to implement in an effort to protect their facilities from a driver that may or may not be infected with COVID-19. Reinhart Foodservice posted a message stating “UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. Due to Coronavirus pandemic, we are not allowing truck drivers to us in this building. You will need to hire a lumper and wait in your truck.” For those who do not know, a lumper is a service who offloads your truck for a fee, which you then attempt to be reimbursed from your customer, often with issues.

Another message told drivers that they must stay in their truck, will not be permitted inside the “mill or offices,” and would not have access to the restrooms at the facility they were delivering to in an effort to keep “everyone safe and healthy.”
Other drivers are reporting extremely long wait times at shippers, with driver reporting the wait line to load at one Proctor and Gamble facility in Tunkhannock, PA extended onto the state highway with hundreds of trucks waiting to load. It was reported that one receiver in California reportedly shut down, refusing to offload over twenty trucks waiting onsite.
As the outbreak continues to spread and additional manufacturing facilities reduce staffing in an effort to keep their company “safe and healthy, what happens to the truckers on the road? These drivers are the ones responsible for restocking the shelves with items that people are panic buying.
Yep... I've been warning of this for YEARS. Those trucks stop making deliveries to big cities, and that's when the total anarchy will start. People will do crazy things when they think they're going to starve to death, like KILL, and no way in hell is the military or government going to be able to pull up the slack.

This could get very nasty real fast if truckers start falling out.

[se7en]

I thought it interesting to see what the impact on logistics,are
and what the drivers are saying about this , looks like they are just like the rest ranging from the sky is falling to it's only the flu .

but in most of what i read this is the only thing i found , but i think as this plays out there will be more of this , but we'll see

oh those "Lumpers" 675 bucks for one hour of unloading ,
if i was younger I'd start a business doing it ,
Humpy dumpy lumper's inc.

[FakeNewsSux]

I think I found an alternative to the toilet paper hoarding problem:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1238681884055437312

[Kathianne]

It's not that the 'sky is falling,' nor is it 'it's only the flu and it's no more than that.' As doctors keep repeating, this virus is much more contagious and it's not a 3-5 day illness where a healthy person loses a few pounds. Suddenly people have an appreciation for why there is always that push to 'get your flu shot, especially for seniors and anyone with chronic health conditions.' The mortality rate at this time is at minimum 10X that of a normal flu season-though of course since it's only been around for 4 months, the numbers appear much lower-they are not. Those numbers are going up exponentially, so far seen in China, Iran, South Korea (though mitigated), and Italy. Folks were saying, 'Not in Europe, Africa, US etc.,' but now those numbers are rising and will hit the tipping point. France is next in the numbers. US is going to go up-though at first people are going to say, 'it's just the testing.'

I have not and am not underestimating this virus. In the great scheme of things though, it will burn out. Granted with more dying than had to, if people had not panicked or gone into denial. There will be a vaccine. Life will go on.

Though, if people keep going into panic mode, life is going to change. Culture will change-it's up to people to decide if it gets worse or better.

There is no 'food shortage.' There is panic buying or hoarding. Those who resisted going nuts, are now doing so. There is little to buy in the stores. Farmers, processors, etc., have not stopped selling to the markets, just people are buying so fast and without rhyme or reason that the food can't get canned, frozen, cut, baked fast enough. The drivers can't get the foodstuffs from producers to consumers fast enough. Workers can't get what they have on the shelves, because people are standing in lines buying cases.

In general, AZ has been less in a panic than more densely populated states. With that said, thanks to mass and social media, the panic spread here in the last week. Sure the stock markets and the mixed messages from government until last Friday, did not help. Even now, our state and local governments are not in line with the national messaging. At the same time, there are many national businesses here and they are making national choices regarding openings, closings, announcements on working from home, etc. Yes, people notice all these changes and what they were sort of ignoring has come and 'woke' them.

In the past 5 days, starting slow and ramping up, the shelves have emptied. First it was a rush on logical things-rice, noodles, canned goods. There's no big problem with having some of these things put away, just in case. There is something wrong though within a matter of 72 hours from people buying several packages to those buying 30 or more packages of beans, 6 cases of soup, etc. At Walmart here-which serves about 175k people in a rather large area it was like every 5th order was over $400 on Saturday. There were some that spent over $1k, nearly all of it food. Some of those same people were back yesterday. Seriously.

Last Thursday or Friday people started panic buying baby formula and bread and meat. Yesterday there was no formula and little bread. What about the baby whose parents didn't or cannot panic buy and only has a day's worth left? What about people in trailers, apartments, no deep freezers? How many people bought food and now have to figure out where they are going to put it? I guarantee much is going to go to waste.

Somehow yesterday a customer noticed a truck pulling up and the news spread. For more than an hour, people were lined up with their carts from the toilet paper aisle just waiting. Why someone would think that there would be toilet paper in that particular load? I've no idea.

In no time at all, people were lined up with their carts, talking and laughing for nearly an hour. The line extended nearly a block through the paper aisle, down one of the main aisle and through the entire dairy section-with new people joining quickly. I don't know how much toilet paper was on that truck, but saw one guy in electric chair with it filled his basket with toilet paper. Now I do blame the store for not limiting purchases, but how those in the front could not say to themselves, 'one or two packages will be enough', especially since some of them probably could already TP a good amount of the town? Within 5 minutes, it was gone. Ridiculous. It was like locust.

Beyond the obvious mental problems of the hoarders, there was the issue of all those people blocking movement through the store, preventing employees from cleaning or stocking other areas. Then there was the issue of too many people too close together, including children running all around that area of the store. The issue of no carts available as many were stuck in that one area for over an hour.

Yesterday was the start of hoarding of eggs. It would be interesting to see how a 50 some year old couple is going to consume 5 cartons of 60 eggs. Even if they have folks over, how are they going to go through 300 eggs before they go bad? They are not alone. By 2pm, there were only organic eggs left and they sold out in a couple hours.

It's becoming impossible to 'stock' shelves, pretty much just selling out of the box. There really is no reason for this, if people would get a grip.

If somehow commonsense doesn't start kicking in, these shortages will continue. Many if not most people normally have enough foodstuffs in their cabinets, fridge, and freezer to easily feed their family for a couple of weeks. No, not as they might normally like to eat, but to keep everyone fed and healthy. Knowing that 'something might happen' certainly justifies building a safety net-reasonably. In this case we KNOW the problem and for the foreseeable future, there really is no reason for a 6 month stash of food-especially food that is going to be tossed or expire.

Toilet paper folks, is made in the US, not China. Nearly all your canned good? US or Mexico. Same with produce, bread, and meats. I do wonder how many of those tools standing in toilet paper wait have contacted their doctors for their or their parents crucial medications-made wholly or in part in China? Duh!

Yesterday's weird line was sort of festive, if one likes hanging with those sorts of people. No fights, like has been reported at locations throughout the country. Personally I think that at this point, they should limit purchase to 1 package, last week I would have said 3, but now the supply lines are breaking down from factory to trucking to stores. There's not enough people and time to keep sanitizing and stocking and getting people through the lines. We are running out of bags, to take those foodstuffs home! Good luck with that.

I've seen that some stores, mostly on the East Coast I think, that are putting in early 'senior hours', so that the elderly can shop first, in cleaned stores with minimalized risk of exposure from others. I saw that suggestion days ago on FB and thought it brilliant. Kudos for the stores that are running with that.

This could be a time for families to connect with each other more closely. We could all honestly take inventory of what we have on hand and buy responsibly. Keep an eye on elderly neighbors, try to get a phone number from them, let them know they can call you if they need something. Offer to pick something up at the store when you do go. Use the phone to reconnect with friends instead of just quick texts-you have the time.

[Kathianne]

Drummond

It looks like Britain is rethinking the whole 'herd' idea to some degree? Some report by British physicians or scientists?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/coronavirus-uk-strategy-deaths

[High_Plains_Drifter]

News this morning from Wi, last I heard just couple days ago we had 6 cases. Now the toll is 47! Most of them over in Milwaukee and area, and the other larger cluster over in Dane Co around Madison.

Our little ferret face dem governor is limiting gathering size to 50, and bars and restaurants in and around Milwaukee have been ordered to CLOSE.

I see on my cousin's auction & realty website that the big annual Ace Hardware overstock and used item auction scheduled for the 28th is "POSTPONED INDEFINITELY." Now it's hitting close to home for me because I love the auctions. There goes my main venue of entertainment.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Nolte: Mass Transit, Reusable Bags, and Other Leftist Ideas Coronavirus Reveals as Deadly



With some experts predicting, at a minimum, anywhere from 480,000 to 1.6 million American deaths from the coronavirus over the next three to 18 months, how smart does urban living, mass transit, open borders, reusable straws, reusable grocery bags, reusable water bottles, gun restrictions, over-regulated housing, using the Centers for Disease Control to fight gun violence, and outsourcing to China look now?

Hey, we don’t know what’s going to happen with the coronavirus. What we do know, though, is that between last Sunday and this Sunday, things went from Zero to Crazy in one week: We shut down our economy, store shelves are empty or emptying, the president’s on television every day, and there’s serious talk of a national quarantine.

We are also learning, at a fairly rapid pace, how a pandemic operates, how a virus spreads, and how vulnerable we are to such things, and just how so many leftist ideas have made us even more vulnerable.

Just for a moment, close your eyes, and picture the establishment media’s and left’s (but I repeat myself) idea of The Virtuous American…

Virtuous American wakes up in a small efficiency apartment located in a densely populated high-rise, eco-friendly building where there’s no fresh air because you can’t open the windows. But all that recycled air ensures a perfect 72 degree lifestyle.

Virtuous American exits his high-rise building for a half-mile walk through Virtue City, which is teeming with people.

Along the way, Virtuous American stops at a coffee shop, which is packed with other Virtuous Americans, who are handing reusable, eco-friendly containers to a barista who fills everyone’s order without changing his gloves (to save plastic) or washing his hands (to save water).

Virtuous American rides to work in jam-packed subway car.

Virtuous American exits the subway and walks to work through a sanctuary city teeming with illegal aliens who have been allowed to sneak in from every foreign country and stay without being screened or tested.

Virtuous American goes to work in an urban high-rise building that is hermetically sealed to save energy, which means recycled air instead of fresh air… You can’t open the windows.

Throughout the day, Virtuous American sips water from a bacteria-infested reusable bottle (that he might have rinsed out with cold water a few days ago). He refills his environmentally friendly, reusable bottle from a centrally located, environmentally friendly dispenser everyone touches throughout the day.

For lunch, Virtuous American enters a crowded deli and orders food prepared and served by illegal aliens who have never been screened or tested.

On the way back to the office, Virtuous American digs into his man-purse and removes a bacteria-infested reusable straw (he or may not have run a little cold water through a couple of days ago) and pops it into his iced coffee while gingerly walking through a poopy homeless encampment because Virtue City’s building regulations protect Gaia.

After work, Virtuous American stops at the grocery store and fills his environmentally friendly bacteria-infested reusable cloth grocery bags (that he might have washed two weeks ago) with fresh fruits and vegetables.

Then the pandemic hits… And thanks to a dense population, crowded mass transit, recycled air, poopy streets, bacteria-infested (but environmentally friendly) cups, straws, bottles, and bags, it spreads like wildfire though Virtue City.

Will Virtuous American be laughing at McMansion American while looking for a place in that tiny (but environmentally friendly) apartment to store enough food and water for four weeks?

Will Virtuous American be laughing at Gun-Nut American when tensions increase due to empty store shelves and the only thing between Virtuous American and I’m Taking All Your Shit American is a door made from 100% recycled paper products?

Will Virtuous American be laughing at Hick American who lives anywhere from 50 feet to 50 acres from any potential Possibly Infected American?

And what about Globalist American? When his parents can’t get their medications because they’re made in China, how funny is America First American looking now, pal?

And let’s not forget Social Justice American, the American who demands the Centers for Disease Control atomize its focus to include obesity and guns.

What do these environmental loons think? That the whole idea of disposable items was just for laughs? That single-use was developed by some Bond villain desperate to destroy the planet? That going out to the country for “fresh air” was just some quaint concept?

No, the reason disposable items became so popular was sanitation. What could be safer than removing a straw from a sealed paper sleeve? Those straws are now outlawed in California.

What could be safer than single-use grocery bags where you throw away that leaked meat juice instead of carrying it around until you finally throw the bags in the wash? Those single-use bags are now banned in eight states, including New York, whose ban took effect on March 1.

What could be safer than opening your own factory-sealed water bottle?

What could be more secure and safe than a home large enough to self-quarantine for two months and the firearms to protect it?

What could be smarter than not relying on China, a country that is infamous for being Pandemic Ground Zero, for our supply chains?

Why do you think we had immigrants funneled through Ellis Island? So we knew who was coming in. So we could give them a medical check, dumbass.

Oh, and by all means Medicare for All! Even as the private sector gears us up for the testing our government couldn’t handle, even as Democrat governors beg for more state autonomy to handle these health issues… By all means, it’s time to hand our health care over to the one-size-fits-all geniuses whose health care killed countless American veterans,

But there was Joe Biden last night, promising that in the first 100 days of his administration the borders will be wide open. And he’s going to pass tougher gun laws. And he’s going to make us even more dependent on foreign oil. And he doesn’t take the threat of China seriously. And he opposes travel bans. And, and, and…

And no matter what happens, the Left will never, ever, ever change their ways or stop promoting their ideal of The Virtuous American.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/16/nolte-mass-transit-reusable-bags-and-other-leftist-ideas-coronavirus-reveals-as-deadly/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3_kF_N_18ivKnVX-6Cy0qO1fqumvgu_V7BDpefr2iaWKOjqQqWfFsFpF4

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Had Fox News on for a couple hours this morning, and it was Coronavirus, solid, nothing else. Had TV on mute for the majority of that time, finally turned the channel.

[Kathianne]

Just a thought, perhaps we shouldn't be focusing on the election or the bad, self-proclaimed virtuous left? Perhaps they shouldn't be focusing on the hicks and gun totters?

Perhaps, just perhaps, like the President finally seems to have realized, we should be focusing on the healthcare crisis in our immediate future? Let go of the political and even the economic aspects for the time being? Maybe, just maybe we should focus on helping out or even checking up on the elderly around us? Just be kind for a bit? Just until a handle of some sort is gained on this?

I know the 'good will' after 9/11 disappeared much faster than the smoke. I guess I'm just trying to keep some hope that all of, or at least most of Americans would come together if only for a bit, as this crisis, unlike 9/11 is likely going to be of months duration at best.

[Drummond]

Had Fox News on for a couple hours this morning, and it was Coronavirus, solid, nothing else. Had TV on mute for the majority of that time, finally turned the channel.

Pretty much the same here, and has been for some time. Though we're also reporting failures of businesses. Laura Ashley's just failed ... that Company was involved in talks about its future viability anyway, but the Coronavirus emergency has disrupted talks to such an extent that now they've just filed for Administration (i.e they've gone 'belly-up').

Also, we've a mobile phone (translation: 'cellphone') Company that's just closed all its stores, nationwide .. Carphone Warehouse.

[Drummond]

@Drummond (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=2287)

It looks like Britain is rethinking the whole 'herd' idea to some degree? Some report by British physicians or scientists?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/coronavirus-uk-strategy-deaths

Whether or not they have (& it does look like it) ... yes, our direction has diverged to more 'standard' cautions and diktats, of the kind that others are implementing.

There's been no statement I'm aware of that admits to the 'herd immunity' methodology being actually abandoned .. & it could be that our Government is doing what it now is just to fend off criticism. Still, we're getting draconian limits now. No nonessential transport .. 'avoid it'. People aged 70 or over 'advised' to self-isolate as a precautionary measure. Any one family member seeming to be presenting Covid-19 symptoms, should not only self-isolate, but so should the family.

Our Government is falling short of making all this mandatory, although that's only for now. We're told that more draconian measures are in the pipeline, with an update on that by the weekend.

['Interestingly' .. I had a trip to London all fixed up, for this Friday .. I was going to stay for 3 days. Looks like I'll have to cancel it. Even if I didn't .. if the weekend update included a London lockdown, I'd find myself stranded there 'for the duration'.]

A London lockdown could well be on the cards. Boris told us all that the virus is spreading faster there than anywhere else in the UK.

[Kathianne]

Whether or not they have (& it does look like it) ... yes, our direction has diverged to more 'standard' cautions and diktats, of the kind that others are implementing.

There's been no statement I'm aware of that admits to the 'herd immunity' methodology being actually abandoned .. & it could be that our Government is doing what it now is just to fend off criticism. Still, we're getting draconian limits now. No nonessential transport .. 'avoid it'. People aged 70 or over 'advised' to self-isolate as a precautionary measure. Any one family member seeming to be presenting Covid-19 symptoms, should not only self-isolate, but so should the family.

Our Government is falling short of making all this mandatory, although that's only for now. We're told that more draconian measures are in the pipeline, with an update on that by the weekend.

['Interestingly' .. I had a trip to London all fixed up, for this Friday .. I was going to stay for 3 days. Looks like I'll have to cancel it. Even if I didn't .. if the weekend update included a London lockdown, I'd find myself stranded there 'for the duration'.]

A London lockdown could well be on the cards. Boris told us all that the virus is spreading faster there than anywhere else in the UK.

I think I'm glad that they are changing, it may save many lives. At the same time, would have been an interesting experiment in real life, but I think the cost may have been too high.

So far though, the Netherlands say they are going to stay that route, but I do believe their density is less? I could be wrong on that.

[Drummond]

And this is how some handle it over here after getting busted. They silently weasel into the darkness. :rolleyes:

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Reuters Stealth-Edits Debunked Story Claiming Trump Sought ‘Monopoly’ on COVID-19 Vaccine

A report from a German newspaper claiming that President Donald Trump wanted to secure exclusive American access to a coronavirus vaccine has proven to be false, but only after the story was repeated and spread by mainstream media outlets including Reuters, The Guardian, and Business Insider.

Reuters later stealth-edited its story to incorporate official statements denying the original newspaper report. But a New York Times journalist had already shared the Reuters article before it was altered. An MSNBC producer also shared the story.

The German newspaper Welt am Sonntag published a story Sunday claiming that White House officials had offered about $1 billion to the German biopharmaceutical firm CureVac to move to the U.S. and to make a coronavirus vaccine for the U.S. only. The company has indicated that it hopes to have a vaccine by June or July.

The newspaper cited an anonymous source in the German government claiming to “confirm” that President Trump wanted the vaccine “only for the United States,” then covered reactions from German politicians, who declared “no country should have a monopoly on any future vaccine,” according to the summary from reporters Paul Carrel and Andreas Rinke.

https://i.imgur.com/ryYJPt8.png

But the story quickly fell apart. CureVac issued a statement on Twitter denying that it received an offer from the U.S. government. “CureVac rejects all allegations from press,” the firm said.

https://i.imgur.com/RfzMZcf.png

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/03/16/reuters-stealth-edits-debunked-story-claiming-trump-sought-monopoly-on-covid-19-vaccine/

Thanks for all of this, Jim ... appreciated.

Unfortunately -- this story, over here, is not dying a death. Far from it, it seems to be taking on a life of its own.

As of 2 hours ago as I type, Matt Hancock, our Health Secretary, was taking questions from MP's on the Coronavirus outbreak (he probably still is).

So, I was listening to the James O'Brien show on LBC this morning. He decided to relay his live audio feed of the Commons discussion on-air, rather than continue his phone-in programme. During it .. I heard a Labour MP (I didn't hear her name) claim the substance of this story as though it was factual, wanting Matt Hancock's response to it. All Hancock did in response was to say that 'finger-pointing at the Americans' wasn't at all helpful.

Minutes later, O'Brien interrupted the audio feed, to comment. Now, O'Brien has always been an opponent of Trump's (he, too, is a Leftie) .. but he simply commented, after evidently accepting the story as true, by branding Trump 'a psychopath' for attempting such a thing (his accusations of Trump being a racist, go back months). Anyone relying on O'Brien's judgment on this is going to think it IS true .. and he has a nationwide audience, and one with very good listener figures.

Shortly afterwards, with audio feed re-established, another Labour MP - Emily Thornberry (a failed contender in the Labour leadership contest, following Corbyn's electoral defeat last December) - repeated the charge in the House of Commons, as it was given before, stating it as though it was established fact.

Again, Hancock failed to deny it outright.

It's Hancock's failures to refute the charge that bother me. He had two chances to do that, but, he didn't. Each time he took the 'wooly' line that cooperation with foreign Governments had to be paramount.

With Hancock's failure to deny being out there .. I think this story is going to persist, and be believed by many over here.

[Drummond]

I think I'm glad that they are changing, it may save many lives. At the same time, would have been an interesting experiment in real life, but I think the cost may have been too high.

So far though, the Netherlands say they are going to stay that route, but I do believe their density is less? I could be wrong on that.

I've heard a report claiming that no restrictions applied, and total policy direction dedicated just to achieving a herd-immunity effect, could've cost us a quarter of a million lives.

But I'm conflicted on this. The herd immunity effect made perfect sense to me. I've long since argued (I did so when I was arguing my stand over measles) that people evolve immunities to diseases if there's a sufficient 'herd exposure' to them.

After all, with no vaccine out there, and with the rate this is spreading .. the sooner a form of 'natural' immunity could make itself felt, the better.

The problem surely is that if a lot of people evade the virus by self-isolating and the like, they remain vulnerable to it once they re-emerge from isolation. It only takes one infected person out there to re-ignite a spread of it.

[Kathianne]

I've heard a report claiming that no restrictions applied, and total policy direction dedicated just to achieving a herd-immunity effect, could've cost us a quarter of a million lives.

But I'm conflicted on this. The herd immunity effect made perfect sense to me. I've long since argued (I did so when I was arguing my stand over measles) that people evolve immunities to diseases if there's a sufficient 'herd exposure' to them.

After all, with no vaccine out there, and with the rate this is spreading .. the sooner a form of 'natural' immunity could make itself felt, the better.

The problem surely is that if a lot of people evade the virus by self-isolating and the like, they remain vulnerable to it once they re-emerge from isolation. It only takes one infected person out there to re-ignite a spread of it.

Like putting the vulnerable population into isolation for 4 months? I'm thinking a wildfire in the making. Maybe there's something I'm not getting in how this was supposed to play out?

[NightTrain]

2 more cases popped up in Alaska, grand total of 3 now.

The first one was flying cargo from Asia and checked himself in when he landed in Anchorage.

These last 2 came from the lower 48, and have been mingling in Fairbanks for at least a week now without knowing they were infected and contagious... so I expect we'll see a hotspot develop there shortly.

[Drummond]

Like putting the vulnerable population into isolation for 4 months? I'm thinking a wildfire in the making. Maybe there's something I'm not getting in how this was supposed to play out?

Good point. So, you can see why I remain conflicted. By and large MAYBE, the isolation measure would be worthwhile. But, there are no guarantees. The 'wildfire' you talk of might very well occur.

The problem surely is that those whose immune systems are compromised because of age, surely can't be a viable part of any 'herd immunity' effort. So, what do you do with such people, if you don't instead see to it that they're isolated ?

[Drummond]

2 more cases popped up in Alaska, grand total of 3 now.

The first one was flying cargo from Asia and checked himself in when he landed in Anchorage.

These last 2 came from the lower 48, and have been mingling in Fairbanks for at least a week now without knowing they were infected and contagious... so I expect we'll see a hotspot develop there shortly.

Three.

Sheer 'luxury', in a world riddled with far larger outbreaks !

It wasn't so many days ago that I was claiming the equivalent for Wales, where I am. It didn't take long for that figure to be dwarfed by increasing infection. My current hometown was claiming its first case a week ago ... last night, when I checked, it had fourteen.

Around the first hundred cases England had, were all traceable to people returning from China, Iran, other European countries ...

So: enjoy the low number while you can !

[Abbey Marie]

I think we have 6 in Delaware. (But I’m not totally current on virus news. It’s overload for me now). One of the last states to succumb.

[Drummond]

14 new deaths in England ... increasing the total to 69.

[jimnyc]

Just some updates in the order as I came across them today.

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86% of people with coronavirus are walking around undetected, study says

“Stealth” coronavirus cases are fueling the pandemic, with a staggering 86% of people infected walking around undetected, a new study says.

Six of every seven cases – 86% — were not reported in China before travel restrictions were implemented, driving the spread of the virus, according to a study Monday in the journal Science.

“It’s the undocumented infections which are driving the spread of the outbreak,” said co-author Jeffrey Shaman of Columbia University Mailman School, according to GeekWire.

Using computer modeling, researchers tracked infections before and after the Chinese city of Wuhan’s travel ban.

The findings indicated that these undocumented infections with no or mild symptoms — known as “stealth” cases — were behind two-thirds of the reported patients.

“The majority of these infections are mild, with few symptoms at all,” Shaman said, Mercury News reported. “People may not recognize it. Or they think they have a cold.”

These “stealth” cases were then able to transmit the bug that could cause severe symptoms in other people, according to the researchers.

Rest - https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/86-of-people-with-coronavirus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/


Dire new report forces U.S. and U.K. to change course on coronavirus strategy

A startling new report from Imperial College London warns that 2.2 million Americans and 510,000 Britons could die from coronavirus if extreme action isn't taken to change the course of the outbreak.

Why it matters: The report's dire warnings prompted a quick course correction from both the American and British governments on their strategies, but its strict recommendations and long timeline — 18 months — to stem the tide could have far-reaching implications for both populations and economies.

What they found: The report states the effectiveness of "mitigation," which includes isolating only the sick and those linked to them while advocating social distancing for at-risk groups, is limited. It instead recommends "suppression," a much more wide-ranging tactic to curb coronavirus' spread.

The researchers say that suppression "will minimally require a combination of social distancing of the entire population, home isolation of cases and household quarantine of their family members." It also recommends school closures.

The report notes that this strategy could have to be in place until a vaccine is developed, which could take 18 months — saying it is "the only viable strategy at the current time."

Worth noting: While China and South Korea have managed to suppress the outbreak using similarly draconian strategies, the report admits that it's not yet clear if suppression's successes can last in the long-term.

The state of play: The findings caused a messaging shift on both sides of the Atlantic.

While President Trump had previously brushed off coronavirus concerns and compared it to a winter flu, the White House advised people on Monday to avoid gatherings of 10 or more, stop non-essential travel and avoid bars and restaurants.

The U.K. previously allowed its citizens to go about the world more or less as normal, but Prime Minister Boris Johnson walked some of that back this week — admitting that the country was only days behind Italy's outbreak and instituting more strict recommendations for at-risk populations. But it still eschewed lockdowns and closures like those being implemented around the world.

The big picture: The New York Times reported that the Imperial College researchers "had shared their projections with the White House task force about a week ago and that an early copy of the report was sent over the weekend."

The BBC called the report the "crucial piece of evidence" that spurred Downing Street to act, saying the researchers "first realized the scale of the problem in China" and noting their "advice is heavily influential in government."

The bottom line: The report admits that "no public health intervention with such disruptive effects on society has been previously attempted for such a long duration of time."

"How populations and societies will respond remains unclear," it concludes.

Rest - https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-report-us-uk-strategies-e45bc5d4-d2f1-40e2-825e-429b2b7c1b50.html


San Francisco Bay Area counties issue shelter-in-place order

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Officials in seven San Francisco Bay Area counties issued a sweeping shelter-in-place mandate Monday affecting about 7 million people, ordering residents to stay at home and go outside only for food, medicine and outings that are absolutely essential.

The order says residents must stay inside and venture out only for necessities for three weeks starting Tuesday in a desperate attempt by officials to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus.

“I know today’s order is a radical step. It has to be. We need to act now, all of us, to protect the public health,” said Dr. Grant Colfax, director of the San Francisco Department of Public Health.

If affects the counties of San Francisco, Marin, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, San Mateo, Contra Costa and Alameda, which includes the cities of Berkeley and Oakland.

“History will not forgive us for waiting an hour more,” said San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo, whose city is the most populous in the Bay Area and the epicenter of the area’s outbreak. “This is our generation’s great test, our moment to stand tougher as a community. Amid our collective fears, we will find our uncommon courage.”

Rest - https://apnews.com/a342998638cdccb56172a1663e8d6edf


L.A. County releasing some inmates from jail to combat coronavirus

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is releasing inmates from its jails and cutting down on how many people it books into custody to protect those housed in close quarters from the growing coronavirus pandemic.

Sheriff Alex Villanueva said deputies and police officers across the county have been directed to cite and release people whenever possible, instead of arresting them, and to seek medical clearance before booking anyone who shows symptoms. Countywide, he said, arrests have dropped from a daily average of 300 to 60, while the jail population was reduced by more than 600 inmates.

“Our population within our jail is a vulnerable population just by virtue of who they are and where they’re located,” Villanueva said Monday at a news conference in downtown L.A. “So we’re protecting that population from potential exposure.”

The move came amid mounting calls by civil rights advocates and health professionals to reduce the number of people held in local, state and federal lock-ups. They raised concerns about the mayhem a COVID-19 outbreak could create within the prison and immigration detention system, which has been criticized for lacking sufficient capacity to meet inmates’ medical needs even before the pandemic.

Rest - https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-16/la-jail-population-arrests-down-amid-coronavirus


Despite dire coronavirus warning, some refuse to give up their routines

LOS ANGELES — As schools closed and store shelves emptied of toilet paper, Joseph Sanchez realized that life as he knew it was grinding to a halt.

What was next? Perhaps even bars would close to stop the spread of the novel coronavirus that has killed more than 6,500 people worldwide?

Sanchez invited a friend, Marcos Avina, to meet at their favorite spot, Glendale Tap, for what he termed “one more moment of normality.”

His hunch proved prescient.

As he and Avina sipped craft beers Sunday afternoon at the neighborhood bar on San Fernando Road, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced that bars in California should close their doors, restaurants should seat customers farther apart and senior citizens should isolate themselves.

“This could be the last bar we go to in a long time,” said Avina, 40, a bill collector for Spectrum, the internet and cable company.

Rest - https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/despite-dire-coronavirus-warning-some-refuse-to-give-up-their-routines/ar-BB11gwUG

[jimnyc]

US sees highest 24-hour coronavirus death toll increase since outbreak started

The United States experienced the largest 24-hour jump in the coronavirus death toll since the outbreak was discovered in the country.

Health officials reported that 18 people in the U.S. died from the virus on Monday, the most on any one day so far, according to the Washington Post. The total number of U.S. deaths from the virus is now up to at least 88.

The rising death toll and total number of confirmed cases, which now exceeds 4,600 nationally, has led to a number of states issuing restrictions on public gatherings and venues, including gyms, bars, and restaurants. Additionally, President Trump provided new guidelines on Monday, which included avoiding gatherings of more than 10 people for at least the next two weeks.

"It seems to me that if we do a really good job, we will not only hold the death down to a level that is much lower than the other way ... and we have done a good job ... but people are talking about July, August something like that," the president said, indicating that the crisis could last through the summer.

In total, there have been more than 180,000 confirmed coronavirus cases globally and over 7,100 deaths as a result, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Rest - https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-sees-highest-24-hour-coronavirus-death-toll-increase-since-outbreak-started

[jimnyc]

And how many cases are stemmed from brave idiots licking things claiming their faith will save them. :rolleyes:

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Iran warns virus could kill ‘millions’ in Islamic Republic

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran issued its most dire warning yet Tuesday about the outbreak of the new coronavirus ravaging the country, suggesting “millions” could die in the Islamic Republic if people keep traveling and ignoring health guidance.

A state television journalist who also is a medical doctor gave the warning only hours after hard-line Shiite faithful on Monday night pushed their way into the courtyards of two major shrines that had finally been closed due to the virus. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a religious ruling prohibiting “unnecessary” travel in the country.

Roughly 9 out of 10 of the over 18,000 confirmed cases of the virus in the Middle East come from Iran, where authorities denied for days the risk the outbreak posed. Officials have now implemented new checks for people trying to leave major cities ahead of Nowruz, the Persian New Year, on Friday, but have hesitated to quarantine the areas.

That’s even as the death toll in Iran saw another 13% increase Tuesday. Health Ministry spokesman Kianoush Jahanpour said the virus had killed 135 more people to raise the total to 988 amid over 16,000 cases. Jordan prepared for a shutdown of its own, banning gatherings of more than 10 people, and neighboring Israel issued its own strict guidelines.

Most infected people experience only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough, and recover within weeks. But the virus is highly contagious and can be spread by people with no visible symptoms. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia.

Rest - https://apnews.com/6e92d93551ee6c6ae51d0acaaad9eb32

[jimnyc]

Sweet! Where's mine? Am I getting the Wang $1,000 special? :)

So it's starting to sound like they are maybe going to go through with this. I don't know how I feel about it. And you all?

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‘Americans Need Cash Now’ — Donald Trump Wants to Send Checks to Households Immediately

President Donald Trump said at the White House Tuesday he wanted the federal government to send direct payments to Americans suffering economically from the coronavirus as part of a larger rescue package.

“We’re going big,” Trump said, adding, “We want to go big, go solid.”
The proposal was detailed by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Tuesday during a press briefing at the White House.

“We’re looking at sending checks to Americans immediately,” Mnuchin said, adding, “Americans need cash now and the president wants to get cash now.”

Mnuchin said that Americans could expect an individual stimulus within two weeks as he continued to negotiate with Congress.

He added that wealthy Americans would not get direct payments as they did not need it.

“I think it’s clear, we don’t need to send people who make millions of dollars a year checks, OK?” Mnuchin said to reporters. Trump agreed. “Obviously some people shouldn’t be getting checks for $1,000.

Mnuchin said that some of the reported funding numbers of $850 billion for a rescue were probably more expensive than the final bill would be, but that details would be released later in the day.

“This is stuff that needs to be done now, the president has instructed to me that this is no fault to American workers,” he said.

Trump said there were four different ways to get funding directly to Americans, and said that although he supported a payroll tax cut, he was looking at a better way to get funding to Americans faster.

“We want to do something much faster than that,” Trump said.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/17/americans-need-cash-now-donald-trump-wants-to-send-checks-to-households-immediately/

[jimnyc]

I think there is going to be more and more misinformation out there like this, politically motivated things. I think it's disgusting from either side, to take advantage of something potentially life threatening, and using it to a political advantage.

By election day there will be stories out there about how Trump is a secret biologist of some sort and personally created this virus. :rolleyes:

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Fact Check Update: U.S. Never Rejected WHO Coronavirus Tests; They Were Never Offered

CLAIM: The World Health Organization (WHO) offered the U.S. coronavirus tests and we refused them.

VERDICT: False. They were never offered to the U.S., and the U.S. typically does not accept WHO tests.

When former Vice President Joe Biden made this claim in the Democrat debate on Sunday night, Breitbart News initially rated it “true,” focusing on the question of whether the U.S. had declined to use WHO tests. That is true.

What is not true, as Politifact pointed out Monday, is that the U.S. rejected the tests, because they were never offered in the first place — not for donation, or sale, or in any other way.

Biden claimed: “We refused them. We did not want to buy them. We did not want to get them from them. We wanted to make sure we had our own.” But that is wrong.

Politifact’s Jon Greenberg and Victoria Knight explained (original links):


The Biden campaign referred us to a Politico article that said the WHO shipped coronavirus tests to nearly 60 countries at the end of February, but the U.S. was not among them. That is technically correct, but it suggests that the United States would have been on the list under any circumstances.

The countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States. The outreach work by the Pan American Health Organization is a case in point.

…

“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”

…

In this instance, this caused a lag in testing for the virus in the U.S.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/17/fact-check-update-u-s-never-rejected-who-coronavirus-tests-they-were-never-offered/

[Drummond]

12387

[jimnyc]

Coronavirus is a known quantity. "Covid-19" is just another iteration for a 'corona virus' type, and I think like the 19th style or something like that. But folks have seen 'coronavirus' stuff on bottles and gels instantly think conspiracy. :rolleyes:

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Actress Says Jewish Conspiracy Behind Coronavirus

Actress Rosanna Arquette said Tuesday implied that a Jewish conspiracy is behind the coronavirus spreading across the world.

“I’m still confused,” she wrote in a post on Twitter, now deleted, “so Israel has been working on a corona virus vaccine for a year already? (so they knew ) Vaccines take a long time to know if they are safe and KUSHNER OSCAR is the major investor in the new vaccine that is supposedly coming here. lives at risk for profit.”

It was unclear what “KUSHNER OSCAR” means, but RedState took a stab at it.


If there is anything bad in the world then, ipso facto, Jews and Israel are behind it. That an Israeli company, with a (I suppose) relative of Jared Kushner’s as an investor, would be developing a vaccine a year in advance for a virus that was first identified in December 2019 is something that we should all have immediately thought because $$$$ is the first thing that we should have thought of were we thinking clearly and not mesmerized or something.

To help Arquette understand, there’s a reason this coronavirus is called COVID-19 — there are plenty more coronaviruses out there, the name for a larger class of viruses.

“Coronaviruses are a group of related viruses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans, coronaviruses cause respiratory tract infections that can be mild, such as some cases of the common cold (among other possible causes, predominantly rhinoviruses), and others that can be lethal, such as SARS, MERS, and COVID-19. Symptoms in other species vary: in chickens, they cause an upper respiratory tract disease, while in cows and pigs they cause diarrhea. There are yet to be vaccines or antiviral drugs to prevent or treat human coronavirus infections,” Wikipedia says.

The name, by the way, “is derived from the Latin corona, meaning ‘crown’ or ‘halo,’ which refers to the characteristic appearance reminiscent of a crown or a solar corona around the virions (virus particles) when viewed under two-dimensional transmission electron microscopy, due to the surface covering in club-shaped protein spikes.”

And for the record, COVID-19 originated in Wuhan, China, with the first case being diagnosed on Dec. 1, 2019 (at least according to Chinese officials).

Twitterers blasted Arquette.

https://i.imgur.com/tYFllF6.png

https://i.imgur.com/tEtilHX.png

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/actress-says-jewish-conspiracy-behind-coronavirus/

[jimnyc]

What a stupid thing for everyone to argue over and make labels and racist crap again. :rolleyes: They ALL labeled this "Wuhan virus" or "Chinese virus" up until WHO and/or others then started asking to stop. It wasn't racist then and it's not racist now. Just ammo built up for more blaming. :rolleyes:

And while the media is so dang busy calling Trump or others racist for those terms, barely a peep out of them to condemn China for their outlandish accusations.

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Trump Smacks Down Liberal Hack Reporter Complaining About His Use of the Phrase “Chinese Virus”

The mainstream media is truly the enemy of the American people.

President Trump gave a press briefing from the White House on Tuesday to address his administration’s ongoing efforts to calm the Coronavirus panic and bring financial relief to Americans.

The fraudstream media has been pushing Communist Chinese propaganda since the outbreak of the Coronavirus in Wuhan.

The same media who now criticizes President Trump for using the phrase “Chinese virus” or “Wuhan Coronavirus” used the exact phrase themselves until all of a sudden it became “racist” and “xenophobic,” because orange man bad.

President Trump put a liberal hack reporter in his place on Tuesday.

“Critics say that using that phrase [Chinese virus] creates a stigma,” a reporter said concerned about his Commie masters.

Trump responded, “No, I don’t think so. I think saying that our military gave it to them creates a stigma.”

https://i.imgur.com/CVjtmHj.png

The Chinese foreign ministry spokesman recently claimed the US military brought the Coronavirus to Wuhan.

Chinese officials are spinning the narrative about the Coronavirus to blame the US and the fraudstream media is more concerned about Trump using the phrase “Chines virus.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/trump-smacks-down-liberal-hack-reporter-complaining-about-his-use-of-the-phrase-chinese-virus-video/

[jimnyc]

Now people are getting upset with comparisons to the flu and others. And I mean doctors and officials, as if someone is doing wrong by trying to compare.

But I think it's very worthy. We deal with such issues year in and year out, and things are handled quite differently. Anyway, just some things to think about. And while these other things are quite serious and potentially deadly, you don't see the same level of craziness and emergency handling and hoarding...

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Global Coronavirus Daily Deaths on Its Worst Day Is Still Less Than: Flu, Swine Flu, Malaria, AIDS, Pneumonia, Hepatitis, Tuberculosis

As of Tuesday morning 3-17:
** There have been 4,748 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the US
** There have been 93 deaths due to coronavirus in the US

From our report on Monday —

The current estimate for the fatality rates for the coronavirus just don’t add up. The estimates based on current data are completely inaccurate. Current data shows that this virus is much less deadly that even the common flu from the 2019-2020 season.

Details below:

https://i.imgur.com/FSAHvbQ.png

And as The Gateway Pundit reported earlier today the controversial Ethiopian politician and Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, claimed in a press conference in early March that the fatality rate for the coronavirus was many multiples that of the fatality rate of the common flu.

This egregiously false premise has led to the greatest panic in world history.

WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus announced on March 3rd: About 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.

This inaccurate statement by the WHO director started the global panic.

The Daily Death Toll of Coronavirus–

The global number of deaths of coronavirus continues to escalate.
There were globally 686 coronavirus deaths recorded on Sunday.
There were globally 641 coronavirus deaths recorded on Monday.

The total deaths globally is 7,510 deaths.

So how do these numbers compare to other deadly diseases?

Here is a graph of the Average Disease Deaths per Day worldwide.

Via Information is Beautiful.

https://i.imgur.com/dZlSiPA.png

You can see from the chart above that SO FAR the worst number of daily coronavirus deaths (686) is still lower than: Flu, Swine Flu, Malaria, AIDS, Pneumonia, Hepatitis, Tuberculosis

President Trump was right when he said the WHO’s coronavirus fatality rate was much too high.

Evidence proves the coronavirus is not as deadly as what was reported by the WHO and is continually repeated in the media.

In fact, current data shows it is not as deadly as the flu. The elderly and the sick should be concerned and protected. Everyone else has little to worry about.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/global-coronavirus-daily-deaths-on-its-worst-day-is-still-less-than-flu-swine-flu-malaria-aids-pneumonia-hepatitis-tuberculosis/


Is the Coronavirus or the 2019-2020 Flu More Dangerous for US Seniors? — Here are the Numbers

As of Monday afternoon 3-16:
** There have been 4,294 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the US
** There have been 75 deaths due to coronavirus in the US

From our report earlier today—

The current estimate for the fatality rates for the coronavirus just don’t add up. The estimates based on current data are completely inaccurate. Current data shows that this virus is much less deadly that even the common flu from the 2019-2020 season.

Rest - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/is-the-coronavirus-or-the-2019-2020-flu-more-dangerous-for-us-seniors-here-are-the-numbers/

[jimnyc]

So out in Cali and the LA area, there is already an abundance of illegals, and sanctuary crap, and already enough crime. Illegals getting licenses... and what other services do they get, and get waited on hand and foot?

And they every now and again will arrest an illegal, but we can't be having much of that, and they eventually get released. And maybe after 3 or 5 felonies, they may keep them in prison for a spell. But now? Don't want these illegal bastards all getting sick, so why not, just go ahead and release them. :rolleyes:

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LA County Releasing Inmates From Jail in Response to Coronavirus Panic

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is now releasing inmates in response to the Coronavirus panic.

California suspended visitation in all state prisons last week, including overnight family visits.

Now inmates are being released after civil right’s advocates called for the number of people held in prisons to be reduced over concerns a Coronavirus outbreak could cause chaos.

In addition to releasing inmates, police have also been ordered to cite and release people when possible rather than arresting them.

LA Time reported:


The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is releasing inmates from its jails and cutting down on how many people it books into custody to protect those housed in close quarters from the growing coronavirus pandemic.

Sheriff Alex Villanueva said deputies and police officers across the county have been directed to cite and release people whenever possible, instead of arresting them, and to seek medical clearance before booking anyone who shows symptoms. Countywide, he said, arrests have dropped from a daily average of 300 to 60, while the jail population was reduced by more than 600 inmates.

“Our population within our jail is a vulnerable population just by virtue of who they are and where they’re located,” Villanueva said Monday at a news conference in downtown L.A. “So we’re protecting that population from potential exposure.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/la-county-releasing-inmates-from-jail-in-response-to-coronavirus-panic/

[Kathianne]

I think I'm going to have to take some time off of reading, watching this Corona stuff. If it would stay with the disease and possible ways of dealing with it, I could handle that. What I can't take are the ijits that are panic buying and saying how 'government control is a type of conspiracy...' I'm shocked they aren't making hay out of the Kentucky guy that said that he didn't have to abide any government quarantine, even though he'd tested positive twice and one family member was sick. The ahole decided he WOULD go wherever he damned well pleased. He's now at home, with sheriff's making sure he stays there. Damn selfish ass. He's not the only one either.

Meanwhile, the report from UK that got the Prime Minister's attention and our President's too:

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/03/17/latest-study-isnt-good/

It's bad.

[Drummond]

The Chinese foreign ministry spokesman recently claimed the US military brought the Coronavirus to Wuhan.

Chinese officials are spinning the narrative about the Coronavirus to blame the US and the fraudstream media is more concerned about Trump using the phrase “Chines virus.”

Nay, nay, and thrice, NAY (I'm feeling a little 'horse' today .. might be coming down with something ? :rolleyes::rolleyes:)...

This comes 'direct' from Russia (via the British Press), So It Must Be True .....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8120505/Russia-blames-BRITAIN-coronavirus-outbreak.html?fbclid=IwAR36Ozazl6UL6G7byYKmG9P2ULy ojppMMBjy4MQpMe9LsC6jJBEA8TnaBOw


Russian state media has blamed Britain for the global coronavirus pandemic.

Kremlin-backed media has broadcast propaganda which states Covid-19, the new form of coronavirus, was created as a tool for the benefit of the UK.

As Britain continues to fight the pandemic rapidly gripping the world, outrageous slurs in Russian media include that:

The British 'smeared something in Wuhan' in the same way that they 'smear[ed] nerve agent on Skripal's door handle';

The pandemic was intentionally timed with Britain's exit from the EU to enhance its global status;

Porton Down, the Salisbury laboratory at the centre of the Skripal Novichok scandal, 'patented a vaccine' for Covid-19;

'There is a special operation ongoing' related to the virus whose 'players are the British-American Alliance';

Covid-19 was accidentally created as a bioweapon in 2015 at the Pirbright Institute in Woking;

Coronavirus is an attempt to gain access to Chinese markets, because 'Churchill…said England doesn't have friends or enemies… only business interests'.

Last night Oliver Dowden, the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, commented on the Mail's findings and said: 'We take disinformation extremely seriously and have brought together cross-government capabilities to give the most comprehensive picture possible.

'People must have access to the correct information and we are working with tech firms to […] make sure the most reliable sources are promoted online.'

Britain was first targeted with Russian coronavirus propaganda at the end of January, two days before the first official case was confirmed in this country.

The five pieces of disinformation analysed by the Mail were collated by EUvsDisinfo, a project of the European External Action Service (EEAS), which is funded by the European Union.

[Glad to know that the EU is good for something !!]

... ahhh .... how Russia must HATE the UK's Porton Down's expertise, in having been able to so precisely identify the toxin they used in Salisbury !!

So, now 'we all know'. This is a BRITISH virus (& America 'is involved'), by Jingo .... and, our having our own outbreak, is but a mere smokescreen .... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Kathianne]

Coronavirus is a known quantity. "Covid-19" is just another iteration for a 'corona virus' type, and I think like the 19th style or something like that. But folks have seen 'coronavirus' stuff on bottles and gels instantly think conspiracy. :rolleyes:

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Actress Says Jewish Conspiracy Behind Coronavirus

Actress Rosanna Arquette said Tuesday implied that a Jewish conspiracy is behind the coronavirus spreading across the world.

“I’m still confused,” she wrote in a post on Twitter, now deleted, “so Israel has been working on a corona virus vaccine for a year already? (so they knew ) Vaccines take a long time to know if they are safe and KUSHNER OSCAR is the major investor in the new vaccine that is supposedly coming here. lives at risk for profit.”

It was unclear what “KUSHNER OSCAR” means, but RedState took a stab at it.



To help Arquette understand, there’s a reason this coronavirus is called COVID-19 — there are plenty more coronaviruses out there, the name for a larger class of viruses.

“Coronaviruses are a group of related viruses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans, coronaviruses cause respiratory tract infections that can be mild, such as some cases of the common cold (among other possible causes, predominantly rhinoviruses), and others that can be lethal, such as SARS, MERS, and COVID-19. Symptoms in other species vary: in chickens, they cause an upper respiratory tract disease, while in cows and pigs they cause diarrhea. There are yet to be vaccines or antiviral drugs to prevent or treat human coronavirus infections,” Wikipedia says.

The name, by the way, “is derived from the Latin corona, meaning ‘crown’ or ‘halo,’ which refers to the characteristic appearance reminiscent of a crown or a solar corona around the virions (virus particles) when viewed under two-dimensional transmission electron microscopy, due to the surface covering in club-shaped protein spikes.”

And for the record, COVID-19 originated in Wuhan, China, with the first case being diagnosed on Dec. 1, 2019 (at least according to Chinese officials).

Twitterers blasted Arquette.

https://i.imgur.com/tYFllF6.png

https://i.imgur.com/tEtilHX.png

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/actress-says-jewish-conspiracy-behind-coronavirus/

Ijits I've been referring to. 'Corona viruses' are a class of virus that means from animal to human transmission. Covid 19 is a new virus.

[Kathianne]

Nay, nay, and thrice, NAY (I'm feeling a little 'horse' today .. might be coming down with something ? :rolleyes::rolleyes:)...

This comes 'direct' from Russia (via the British Press), So It Must Be True .....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8120505/Russia-blames-BRITAIN-coronavirus-outbreak.html?fbclid=IwAR36Ozazl6UL6G7byYKmG9P2ULy ojppMMBjy4MQpMe9LsC6jJBEA8TnaBOw



[Glad to know that the EU is good for something !!]

... ahhh .... how Russia must HATE the UK's Porton Down's expertise, in having been able to so precisely identify the toxin they used in Salisbury !!

So, now 'we all know'. This is a BRITISH virus, by Jingo .... and, our having our own outbreak, is but a mere smokescreen .... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'm thinking Russia is now taking credit for this. LOL! I mean it's been proven their agents were doing the smearing of doorknobs...

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Sweet! Where's mine? Am I getting the Wang $1,000 special? :)

So it's starting to sound like they are maybe going to go through with this. I don't know how I feel about it. And you all?

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‘Americans Need Cash Now’ — Donald Trump Wants to Send Checks to Households Immediately

President Donald Trump said at the White House Tuesday he wanted the federal government to send direct payments to Americans suffering economically from the coronavirus as part of a larger rescue package.

“We’re going big,” Trump said, adding, “We want to go big, go solid.”
The proposal was detailed by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Tuesday during a press briefing at the White House.

“We’re looking at sending checks to Americans immediately,” Mnuchin said, adding, “Americans need cash now and the president wants to get cash now.”

Mnuchin said that Americans could expect an individual stimulus within two weeks as he continued to negotiate with Congress.

He added that wealthy Americans would not get direct payments as they did not need it.

“I think it’s clear, we don’t need to send people who make millions of dollars a year checks, OK?” Mnuchin said to reporters. Trump agreed. “Obviously some people shouldn’t be getting checks for $1,000.

Mnuchin said that some of the reported funding numbers of $850 billion for a rescue were probably more expensive than the final bill would be, but that details would be released later in the day.

“This is stuff that needs to be done now, the president has instructed to me that this is no fault to American workers,” he said.

Trump said there were four different ways to get funding directly to Americans, and said that although he supported a payroll tax cut, he was looking at a better way to get funding to Americans faster.

“We want to do something much faster than that,” Trump said.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/17/americans-need-cash-now-donald-trump-wants-to-send-checks-to-households-immediately/
Sure... send me a check... as a matter of fact, they can DOUBLE IT to us service connected disable vets and I won't bitch... :2up:

[Drummond]

I'm thinking Russia is now taking credit for this. LOL! I mean it's been proven their agents were doing the smearing of doorknobs...

Russia's been waiting for a chance at payback, since we did so good a job in getting to the bottom of the poison assassination attempt of theirs. They no doubt hoped that they could kill the Skripals and never be held accountable. 'Sad' to say, we were too good for them. So, we're now 'so good', that we've supposedly engineered a global pandemic !!

Just had an update: Wales has had its second death ... a 96 year-old, apparently.

[jimnyc]

Again, where's my check? :)

IMO, we aren't at this level yet. BUT, I know jack shit about things on the back end and what is being affected. So if that's what it takes, send it away! Adults only they said... I disagree with Trump on this one, I think.

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Mnuchin: Trump Wants to Cut Checks for Americans in Virus response

President Donald Trump wants the government to send checks to Americans in the next two weeks in an effort to curb the economic cost of the coronavirus outbreak, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Tuesday.

“The president has instructed me we have to do this now,” he said at the White House briefing. He didn't give details except to say the amount should be significant and millionaires would not get it.

"We want to make sure Americans get money in their pockets quickly," Mnuchin said. The stock market rose during the briefing after a savage drop Monday.

The White House on Tuesday was asking Congress to approve a massive emergency rescue package to help businesses as well as taxpayers cope with the economic crisis that is paired with the pandemic.

Mnuchin planned to outline that roughly $850 billion package to Senate Republicans at a private lunch, with officials aiming to have Congress approve it this week. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, opening the Senate on Tuesday morning, promised swift action.

“The Senate will not adjourn until we have passed significant and bold new steps above and beyond what the House has passed to help our strong nation and our strong underlying economy weather this storm," McConnell said.

Rest - https://www.newsmax.com/politics/trump-check-virus-response/2020/03/17/id/958689/

[jimnyc]

After reading the title and then the opening, I thought pigs were flying outside my window, and one was named Elvis and the other was a hot little piggy with some nice boobs! So I should have known...

And then I read on, and read some more, and see that it's no more than his usual crap insults and he's trying to wrap it in niceties, but didn't work IMO. Everything nice stated was followed with negativity.

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Scarborough Praises Trump: 'Who Is That Man' at the Press Conference?

Joe Scarborough praising President Trump? Was it one of those lip-synch spoofs? But no, in a sign of just how profoundly the coronavirus has altered virtually everything, Scarborough today did indeed offer clear, if cautious, praise for President Trump's performance at yesterday's press conference. Scarborough said that the president was somber and serious and "did what a president is supposed to do."

At end of the segment, Scarborough acknowledged the obvious: that over the last three-and-a-half years, the show has been critical of virtually everything President Trump has done. But Joe went on to recognize that "we only have one president at a time," and expressed the hope that yesterday marked a "new beginning."

Note: Scarborough had adopted a more measured tone about President Trump in his tweet of yesterday, and it obviously carried over onto today's show. We'll monitor how long Joe's change of heart lasts!

Here's the transcript.


MSNBC
Morning Joe
3/17/20
6:02 am EDT

JOE SCARBOROUGH: Donald Trump held a press conference with his team around 3:00, 3:30, and --

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Boy, did everything change.

SCARBOROUGH: It was a remarkable change. As far as the focus of the federal government, the focus of the coronavirus task force, and most specifically, the focus of Donald Trump.

. . .

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I’ve spoken actually with my son. He says, how bad is this? It’s bad. It’s bad.

. . .

SCARBOROUGH: While this press conference was going on, I got phone calls from several people, saying who is that man at the press conference? The president was sober. He actually did what a president is supposed to do. He delivered the bad news . . . This was a president even talking about, saying to his son, when asked how it was, he said, it's bad, it’s bad. But hopefully, we can avoid the worst-case scenarios and bring this in for a landing and have the best-case scenarios. The president is doing what, at least I have said, and I think a lot of other people have said he should be doing from the very beginning, and that is, tell the truth. Give Americans the worst-case scenario. They can handle it. And start from there.

. . .

If you’ve watched the for more than ten minutes over the last three-and-a-half years, you understand we’re critical about just everything the president does. But Mika, as Jon Meacham said, I'm going to pull out Jon’s World War II analogy, and us being a position a Brit was. We are all joined together as a country, fighting an epidemic that could end up — let me say this again. Based on the study that got to the White House yesterday — kill more people, kill more Americans, than died in World War I, World War II, the Civil War, and Vietnam.

We all have to work together. I am hopeful that the White House and that the president continues this somber approach. Because, you know, at the beginning of this administration, when we had a lot of leaders, like, well, your father, Robert Gates, others, all said, we only have one president at a time. We have to do everything we can do to make sure this president succeeds. Well, obviously, this president has made that very difficult over the past three years. I’m hopeful that yesterday was a new beginning, especially as it pertains to this battle that we’re all facing.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mark-finkelstein/2020/03/17/scarborough-praises-trump-who-was-man-presser

[jimnyc]

Oh please. In the past 3.5 years I have heard Graham and many others claiming major investigations to follow, demands and other things that seem like the appropriate thing to do. Then nothing ever happens. So if they can't do so internally, WTF leads me to believe they would start and/or be successful about a foreign agency or character?

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Conservative Leaders Call for Investigation into China’s Handling of Coronavirus

RESTON, VA -- On Tuesday afternoon, the Media Research Center released an open letter to President Donald Trump on behalf of 39 leaders in the conservative movement demanding "a more formal investigation to uncover the truth" behind the actions of the Chinese government following the rise of the coronavirus from Wuhan.

The letter blasted the behavior of the communist China government for having engaged in "outright and extreme politicization of this horrible disease is outrageous, unacceptable, and dangerous."

Later, the letter added: "None of this is being reported as it ought to be in American media. Instead, the media are creating panic and blaming your administration. All of this could have been prevented if the Chinese government had merely exercised its responsibility in containing this disease and sharing more information sooner."

The open letter is provided below in full:




March 17, 2020




President Donald Trump
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500



Dear Mr. President,

We represent virtually the entirety of the conservative movement but we believe we speak for hundreds of millions in the country and around the world when we ask you to officially investigate the deadly Coronavirus. The world needs to know the details behind the spread of this deadly virus so everyone understands exactly how this was started. The world deserves to know who was responsible so future pandemics of this nature can be prevented.

As we are sure you are aware, the Chinese government has done everything in its power to blame the United States for the spread of the Wuhan Coronavirus. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian placed the responsibility on the United States: “When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!”

A few days later, Lin Songtian, China's ambassador to South Africa, said: "Although the epidemic first broke out in China, it did not necessarily mean that the virus is originated from China, let alone 'made in China.'"

These statements are astonishing - but predictable... It's impossible for us to know the true origin of this virus in China because China has refused to share information. As Senator Tom Cotton has correctly pointed out, there are several possible scenarios about the origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus. We do know that Chinese secrecy and lies have made the crisis far worse.

China’s outright and extreme politicization of this horrible disease is outrageous, unacceptable, and dangerous. That politicization has already spread panic across the world. The Chinese-led hysteria has roiled markets, and disrupted everyday life for millions of Americans and citizens of other countries around the world.

As your National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien rightly pointed out, “Unfortunately, rather than using best practices, this outbreak in Wuhan was covered up,’ ‘There’s lots of open-source reporting from China, from Chinese nationals, that the doctors involved were either silenced or put in isolation, or that sort of thing, so that the word of this virus could not get out. It probably cost the world community two months.’”

And consider the well-known case of Dr. Li Wenliang, the young Chinese doctor who bravely shared his concerns on December 31, 2019, with a group of colleagues about an unidentified virus with SARS-like symptoms that his patients were exhibiting. As a result of his due diligence, Chinese authorities accused him of spreading “false information” and that he had “gravely disturbed [the] social order.”

None of this is being reported as it ought to be in American media. Instead, the media are creating panic and blaming your administration. All of this could have been prevented if the Chinese government had merely exercised its responsibility in containing this disease and sharing more information sooner.

We therefore respectfully request you consider launching a more formal investigation to uncover the truth. The first step in making sure this never happens again is finding out what happened in the first place.



Respectfully,



L. Brent Bozell

Founder and President

Media Research Center



Co-signers:

Kassy Dillon

Founder and President

Lone Conservative



Tricia Erickson

President

Angel Pictures & Publicity, Inc.



Paul Gessing

President

Rio Grande Foundation



Craig Shirley

Reagan Biographer and Presidential Historian



James L. Martin

Founder/Chairman

60 Plus Association



Saulius “Saul” Anuzis

President

60 Plus Association



Adam Brandon

President

FreedomWorks



Charlie Copeland

President

Intercollegiate Studies Institute



Rick Manning

President

Americans for Limited Government



Eunie Smith

President

Eagle Forum



Christie-Lee McNally

President

Raven Strategies



Rod D. Martin

Founder & CEO

The Martin Organization, Inc.



Christina Murphy Lusk

Campaign for the American Future



Guillermo J. Aragon

Chief Financial Officer

Martin Imaging, Inc.



Benjamin Nieuwsma

Founder and CEO

Navigo



Shawn A. Mitchell

Former National Chaplain

National Federation of Republican Assemblies (NFRA)



Gavin Wax

President

New York Young Republican Club



C. Preston Noell III

President

Tradition, Family, Property, Inc.



Terry Schilling

Executive Director

American Principles Project



Jon Schweppe

Director of Policy and Government Affairs

American Principles Project



Floyd Brown

Publisher

Western Journal



Kevin Freeman

Founder

NSIC Institute



Lady Brigitte Gabriel

Founder & Chairman

ACT For America



Gary Bauer

President

American Values



Mark J. Fitzgibbons

President of Corporate Affairs

American Target Advertising, Inc.



Richard A, Viguerie

Chairman

ConservativeHQ.com



Dr. Ted Baehr

Founder and Chairman

Christian Film & Television Commission



Elaine Donnelly

President

Center for Military Readiness



Justin Danhof

General Counsel

National Center for Public Policy Research



Mat Staver, Esq.

Founder and Chairman

Liberty Counsel



Ryan Williams

President

The Claremont Institute



Jonathan M. Alexandre, Esq.

Senior Counsel for Governmental Affairs

Liberty Counsel Action



David Kupelian

Vice President and Managing Editor

WND.com



Amy Kremer

Chairman

Women for America First



Ron Robinson

President

Young America’s Foundation



Lieutenant Colonel Allen B. West (US Army, Retired)

Member, 112th US Congress

Senior Fellow, Media Research Center



Jim DeMint

Chairman

Conservative Partnership Institute

Fmr. Senator (R-S.C.)



Erick Erickson

Editor

The Resurgent

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nb-staff/2020/03/17/conservative-leaders-call-investigation-chinas-handling-coronavirus

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Yeah... what happened to the Barr/Durham criminal investigation?

[jimnyc]

Calling 911 because you hear your neighbor coughing? A tad overkill. Maybe one is a smoker. Maybe something stuck in their throat or allergies? Like the police need to be overwhelmed with nitwits like this calling in.

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In California: Millions locked down; 911 gets calls about neighbors coughing

Nearly seven million residents in seven counties must shelter in place to help stop the spread of coronavirus. Elsewhere in the Golden State, people are calling 911 to report coughers. Plus, explore the Getty and dozens of other museums and natural wonders virtually. Or, watch a still-in-theater release, at home.

Rest - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/16/shelter-place-recession-weinstein-trolls-westworld-mon-news/5060450002/

[jimnyc]

Like I said, all over the map. Less than the flu, positive news about the virus... and things like this coming out too.

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Coronavirus doctor says lung scans for young patients were ‘nothing short of terrifying’

A Belgian doctor working to battle the coronavirus says he’s treated several seriously ill young patients — and their lung scans were “nothing short of terrifying,” according to reports.

Dr. Ignace Demeyer, who works at a hospital in Aalst, said an increasing number of people between the ages of 30 and 50 have presented with severe symptoms, despite having “blank medical records” that show no underlying conditions that would make them high-risk, the Brussels Times reported.

“They just walk in, but they are terribly affected by the virus,” Demeyer told the Belgian broadcaster VRT.

He said CT scans indicated they were suffering from severe lung damage.

“The images we took yesterday are nothing short of terrifying,” the doctor told the station.

“They are people who do not smoke, who have no other conditions such as diabetes or heart failure,” Demeyer added.

Belgium has reported at least 1,085 COVID-19 cases and at least five deaths since the virus emerged in China in December.

Worldwide, there have been more than 190,000 people infected as of Tuesday afternoon, according to a tally from Johns Hopkins University.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-doctor-says-lung-scans-for-young-patients-were-nothing-short-of-terrifying/

[jimnyc]

Can't wait to see what all the banks look like if they do this. If they aren't failed by then. If their are any still open by then. I would imagine that many, like myself, would simply deposit any checks via the mobile deposit option.

But there have already been cries about the 'forgotten folks' that don't have access to bank accounts for whatever reason. So also a lot of checks with nowhere to go!

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Giving Americans Money to Offset Coronavirus Impact Gains Trump Administration Support

Treasury Secretary Mnuchin says ‘Americans need cash now;’ lawmakers in both parties urge government to send funds to households to cushion economic pain

WASHINGTON—An idea that had little traction just a few days ago—sending direct checks to Americans—is gaining fast momentum as the Trump administration came on board Tuesday.

“Americans need cash now, and the president wants to give cash now. And I mean now, in the next two weeks,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Tuesday at a briefing at the White House.

The administration, which had been more focused on a payroll tax cut, quickly publicly shifted to also embrace the idea of larger one-time checks that would go to people whether they are working or not amid the coronavirus pandemic. And that could provide momentum in Congress. The growing support for direct-deposited cash payments could turn into legislation in the next few days as lawmakers prepare a major bill to cushion individuals and businesses against the downturn.

The amount of money being considered is up for debate, as is whether the payments would be one-time or continue for months to help Americans.

Sen. Mitt Romney (R., Utah) on Monday backed giving each American adult $1,000 to help ensure families and workers can meet their short-term obligations and increase spending in the economy. Among Democrats, Sens. Cory Booker of New Jersey, Michael Bennet of Colorado and Sherrod Brown of Ohio are proposing sending $2,000 to every adult and child below a set income, with future payments in July and then quarterly until unemployment levels drop.

Last week, Reps. Ro Khanna (D., Calif.) and Tim Ryan (D., Ohio) proposed sending a check between $1,000 and $6,000 to every American who earned less than $65,000 last year.

“To me, this is about cash,” Mr. Ryan said. “It’s about cash to workers and about cash to business people, as quickly as we possibly can so we don’t start missing mortgages and car payments.”

Should such a plan take off, it is unclear if it would be in the third pandemic-response package that Congress plans to take up next—or the second one, which passed the House early on Saturday, was changed in the House on Monday and still must go through the Senate. Sen. Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) pushed Monday to include some direct help for Americans in that bill.

“The cash stipend may not be their full wage, but it will be enough and it will be in their hands immediately so they can feed their kids, so they can pay their bills,” he said in a Senate floor speech on Monday, proposing an instant tax refund or rebate. “That can be done right now.”

Rest - https://www.wsj.com/articles/giving-americans-money-to-offset-coronavirus-impact-gains-bipartisan-support-in-congress-11584446801

[hjmick]

Investigation complete...


Wuhan, China, 2019:

12388




Okay... I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I'm also not one who believes too strongly in coincidences either.

Fact: 20 mile south of the market China claims was the source of this exciting new plague is a level 4 bio-lab.

From 24 January 2020:

Two years before the outbreak of the deadly coronavirus that has so far killed 25 people in China, scientists spoke of their fears about a new laboratory being built to study some of the world’s most dangerous viruses. (https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/24/us-warned-virus-escape-lab-near-coronavirus-epicentre-12114591/)

[FakeNewsSux]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/17/17/26072646-0-image-m-33_1584466507475.jpg

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Or better yet, start immediately divesting anything possible from China. I would GLADLY pay MORE for something MADE IN AMERICA!

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Rep. Jim Banks: ‘Demand Reparations’ from Communist China for Coronavirus

Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN) said on Monday that the United States should begin forcing China to “pay the burden and the cost incurred” by the U.S. due to the Wuhan coronavirus.

The Indiana lawmaker said during an appearance on Monday’s Tucker Carlson Tonight that the U.S. should place the financial burden caused by the Chinese coronavirus on China and floated several ways to do that, including China relieving a “great amount” of U.S. debt.

“We need to start by forcing China to pay the burden and the cost incurred on the United States of America due to the coronavirus. I think there are many ways that we can do that,” Banks said.

He continued:

The president could force China to relieve a great amount of American debt. He could institute tariffs on China and designate the funds from that into a coronavirus victim relief fund to pay the cost incurred on Americans and American taxpayers due to the negligence on China’s behalf that’s led to the crisis in America today.

“So by releasing the debt, the U.S. debt held by the Chinese, we could fund that,” Carlson said, asking Banks if he believes the Trump administration will go in that direction.

“I hope so,” Banks said, applauding the “enormous” strength Trump demonstrated on trade deals.

“I have no doubt that President Trump will do everything that he can to hold China accountable for what they’ve caused on Americans today,” he said.

:Video at link...

“I joined @tuckercarlson last night to discuss how we can begin to demand reparations from Communist #China for putting us through the economic strain of #coronavirus,” Banks said in a tweet that shared his Tucker Carlson Tonight
“By refusing to let CDC come to China and study the new virus, by lying to their citizens and saying the virus wasn’t transmitted by person to person contact when they knew the opposite was true, National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien has said this cost the world two months in preparation time for this virus,” Banks said in an exclusive statement to Breitbart News.

“China needs to pay up, and Congress will be working with members of the Trump administration to learn the best way to hold them accountable,” he added.

The virus, which originated in Wuhan, China, has now infected over 189,000 people worldwide. The number of cases in the United States currently tops 5,100.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/17/rep-jim-banks-demand-reparations-communist-china-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1uITknVh0MG8m5dG-Lu-1OkFZPH77JpfW8jgZVeKPAHYKlG-Nrf8VJDak

[jimnyc]

That would be kind of crazy, and we're only talking NYC there - 8.62 million+

If Cuomo ever thought about this, in New York state we have a total population of 19.54 million+

I'm not sure I ever see either doing this, but like I said, it IS being discussed.

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De Blasio urges New Yorkers to prepare to shelter in place

Washington (CNN)New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio urged New Yorkers on Tuesday afternoon to prepare for the possibility that there could be a shelter in place order within the next two days, though Gov. Andrew Cuomo, whose approval would be required for such a move, downplayed the possibility earlier in the day.

"I think New Yorkers should be prepared right now for the possibility of a shelter in place order," de Blasio, a Democrat, said during a press briefing. "It has not happened yet but it is definitely a possibility at this point. I believe that decision should be made in the next 48 hours, and it's a very, a very difficult decision."

De Blasio said his team was in touch with the governor's office about how to proceed.

Such a drastic move to combat the spread of coronavirus would follow a similar order issued in Northern California that affects nearly 7 million people.

But Cuomo, who is also a Democrat, had dismissed the possibility that New York City residents will be asked to quarantine.

"We hear New York City is going to quarantine itself. That is not true. That cannot happen," Cuomo said during a press conference. "It cannot happen legally. No city in the state can quarantine itself without state approval. And I have no interest whatsoever and no plan whatsoever to quarantine any city."

Earlier on CNN's "New Day," de Blasio told CNN's Alisyn Camerota "we're absolutely considering that" when asked if New York was considering a measure similar to California's order.

"I mean, right now we have taken a series of steps to reduce the number of people who are circulating around. But we're going to look at all other options and it could get to that for sure. It could get to that for the whole country," de Blasio said.

Rest - https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/bill-de-blasio-andrew-cuomo-new-york-shelter-in-place-coronavirus-cnntv/index.html

[Drummond]

Like I said, all over the map. Less than the flu, positive news about the virus... and things like this coming out too.

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Coronavirus doctor says lung scans for young patients were ‘nothing short of terrifying’

A Belgian doctor working to battle the coronavirus says he’s treated several seriously ill young patients — and their lung scans were “nothing short of terrifying,” according to reports.

Dr. Ignace Demeyer, who works at a hospital in Aalst, said an increasing number of people between the ages of 30 and 50 have presented with severe symptoms, despite having “blank medical records” that show no underlying conditions that would make them high-risk, the Brussels Times reported.

“They just walk in, but they are terribly affected by the virus,” Demeyer told the Belgian broadcaster VRT.

He said CT scans indicated they were suffering from severe lung damage.

“The images we took yesterday are nothing short of terrifying,” the doctor told the station.

“They are people who do not smoke, who have no other conditions such as diabetes or heart failure,” Demeyer added.

Belgium has reported at least 1,085 COVID-19 cases and at least five deaths since the virus emerged in China in December.

Worldwide, there have been more than 190,000 people infected as of Tuesday afternoon, according to a tally from Johns Hopkins University.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-doctor-says-lung-scans-for-young-patients-were-nothing-short-of-terrifying/

This is too reminiscent of the Spanish flu outbreak of a century ago. I was listening to a broadcast just a couple of days ago, that reviewed how the pandemic developed, and what was reported of those who suffered it. I recall how that, too, went into detail about the extent of lung damage suffered ..

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The story of WHERE THE CORONAVIRUS came from and how it got set lose is an interesting one, and being MAJORLY POO-POOED by the democrat propaganda wing on google, but seeing as of late how RABIDLY the left DEFENDS China, I'm very inclined NOT to believe any of their so called debunking of this story.

There's a lot of indisputable facts here... long read, I'll let anyone interested use the link.

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Did China Steal Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponize It?

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/01/26/did-china-steal-coronavirus-from-canada-and-weaponize-it/