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Kathianne
03-17-2020, 09:02 AM
WTF is the US doing? Is this another CDC failure?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/baldwin/2020/03/14/ventilator-maker-we-can-ramp-up-production-five-fold/#74db855e5e9a (https://www.forbes.com/sites/baldwin/2020/03/14/ventilator-maker-we-can-ramp-up-production-five-fold/#74db855e5e9a)


Ventilator Maker: We Can Ramp Up Production Five-Fold

The German government just placed an order for 10,000 mechanical ventilators. What’s the U.S. government doing about a potential shortage here? Not much, it seems. President Trump alluded to the matter in a press conference but did not spell out any plans.


Ventilators pump oxygen into the lungs of a failing Covid-19 patient. U.S. hospitals have something like 62,000 up-to-date machines immediately available, plus another 99,000 obsolete units that could be pulled out of storage in an emergency, says the Society of Critical Care Medicine. If the pandemic in the U.S. veers off in the Italian direction, that entire collection may be inadequate.


Could manufacturers of these devices boost output? Yes, but not overnight.

“We could increase production five-fold in a 90- to 120-day period,” says Chris Kiple, chief executive of Ventec Life Systems, a Bothell, Wash. firm that makes ventilators used in hospitals, homes and ambulances. He’d have to tool up production lines, train assemblers and testers and get parts. Accelerating the parts delivery might be the toughest task, he says.


The ventilator industry is getting a burst of desperate orders from China and Italy. The U.S. hasn’t seen that yet, although manufacturers are bracing for it. “The time for action by the government is now,” says Kiple. “[Covid] is most likely to get worse next fall.”

hjmick
03-17-2020, 02:54 PM
I would imagine that it has something to do with our government not paying for them, instead leaving to hospitals and other healthcare professionals to pay for them?

Kathianne
03-17-2020, 02:55 PM
I would imagine that it has something to do with our government not paying for them, instead leaving to hospitals and other healthcare professionals to pay for them?
The government has not put in any orders, none.

hjmick
03-17-2020, 03:06 PM
The government has not put in any orders, none.


I understand that, but my question is: Why would they?


I understand that perhaps they should, but the reality is, our government doesn't pay for ventilators to be distributed to private or public hospitals. For the VA and other government run facilities, sure. But for places like UCLA Medical Center or John Hopkins? Not so much.

Kathianne
03-17-2020, 03:10 PM
I understand that, but my question is: Why would they?


I understand that perhaps they should, but the reality is, our government doesn't pay for ventilators to be distributed to private or public hospitals. For the VA and other government run facilities, sure. But for places like UCLA Medical Center or John Hopkins? Not so much.

Ok, I get that. If Delta and United are getting help for a crisis that they had no hand in creating, (I actually agree with the premise); then same for these hospitals, they too have no need for surplus (in normal times) ICU beds, they too have budgets. It does seem incumbent on the government to get these in the pipeline.

jimnyc
03-17-2020, 03:12 PM
What little I did "see" on the news (background noise while doing some other crap), I heard how expensive they are!

At like $50,000 per ventilator, and they say anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000 needed.

So, on the upper ends, that's anywhere from 10 to 25 billion dollars. If cheaper and maybe corners cut a little, then it's 5 to 12.5 billion dollars. Either way, a nice chunk of change. Now, I also have no idea about availability. I'm sure there's a certain amount that can be purchased and delivered ASAP. But how many would then need to be manufactured and then delivered, and how long would that take?

Then with all of the other measures being taken and that can be taken, how many are worth purchasing? It sounds like some should be done ASAP if there's a known shortage, of which there is! And then from there I am clueless. :dunno:

hjmick
03-17-2020, 03:35 PM
Ok, I get that. If Delta and United are getting help for a crisis that they had no hand in creating, (I actually agree with the premise); then same for these hospitals, they too have no need for surplus (in normal times) ICU beds, they too have budgets. It does seem incumbent on the government to get these in the pipeline.


I don't necessarily disagree. Though I would say that rather than bail out the airlines, which I'm opposed to (as I was the auto industry and the banks and NYC), buy the ventilators.

And we sure as shit don't need to be bailing out casinos...


Casinos ask Congress for emergency aid as coronavirus toll sweeps industry (https://www.thehour.com/business/article/Casinos-ask-Congress-for-emergency-aid-as-15135870.php)


Now here's some news:

Pentagon says it will give 5 million respirators, 2,000 ventilators to Health and Human Services for virus response (https://apnews.com/79e98812b5b1592a134803b00c8d88b0)

It ain't much, given the big picture, but...

jimnyc
03-17-2020, 03:54 PM
And we sure as shit don't need to be bailing out casinos...

I saw that earlier and I was like EFF YOU!! Win all that $$$ and now it's time to ante up!

But wouldn't be a surprise in the slightest if they do. :(

Kathianne
03-17-2020, 04:10 PM
I don't necessarily disagree. Though I would say that rather than bail out the airlines, which I'm opposed to (as I was the auto industry and the banks and NYC), buy the ventilators.

And we sure as shit don't need to be bailing out casinos...


Casinos ask Congress for emergency aid as coronavirus toll sweeps industry (https://www.thehour.com/business/article/Casinos-ask-Congress-for-emergency-aid-as-15135870.php)


Now here's some news:

Pentagon says it will give 5 million respirators, 2,000 ventilators to Health and Human Services for virus response (https://apnews.com/79e98812b5b1592a134803b00c8d88b0)

It ain't much, given the big picture, but...

One of my fellow employees grandparents tested positive after getting the virus in Las Vegas-obviously before some casinos started shutting down. Her grandmother is not in good shape.