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jimnyc
04-04-2020, 12:02 PM
The first title was the lead in from RCP, the second the actual title at the other site.

I honestly couldn't disagree more with her. And not because I'm a righty. You can't compare this to Jimmy Carter or really any other event, this is far different. And why anyone blames the virus on Trump is odd. I guess they can nitpick on some things, but people dying and the economy dropping and shortages and such... it is what it is.

And Trump hasn't been perfect. But he HAS been on this since January, while the MSM was still condemning his bans and he's a racist all the way up to the first few weeks of March. His approval numbers on handling this have slowly risen. But many will use this pandemic in any way they can think of to blame Trump and condemn him and try and use it towards the upcoming election.

Thus far, I think it backfires again, as these folks are picking the wrong time to pull this shit.

Suppose the economy and jobs hit rock bottom, and because the virus killing people and inability to reopen. It may even end up that way for some and not other areas. It's an unfortunate combination of events that sucks worse than anything, but blame the damn shitty virus, and maybe however it started, but we shouldn't be blaming the folks trying to help. From Trump, to Cuomo, to Deblasio on down. I would rather live to condemn later, even if I'm broke and hungry by then, I'll be alive!

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The Economy Is Collapsing. So Is Trump's Reelection Bid Annie Lowrey, The Atlantic

The Most Important Number for Trump’s Reelection Chances

For Donald Trump’s reelection campaign, many numbers matter: the number of Americans who get sick and perish from the coronavirus. The number of months before the economy begins to reopen and rebound. The number of Americans who lose their health insurance and home after losing their job. For political scientists, one number is of particular interest, and it currently stands at –18.3.

That is an estimate of how fast the economy is collapsing in the second quarter, an annualized rate derived by Mark Zandi of Moody’s Analytics. It is a measure of how much less the American economy is producing as businesses close and joblessness swells and the pandemic kills. And it is one of the strongest predictors of whether an incumbent is likely to win reelection: An additional percentage point of GDP growth translates roughly into an additional percentage point of the vote share. Americans are seeing their economy evaporate at the fastest pace in modern history, and that foretells a Democratic landslide in the fall.

Or perhaps not. The coronavirus pandemic is a black-swan crisis happening to a singular president in an extreme political environment. A number that might signal unavoidable doom for another candidate in another election might not for Trump come November.

As a general point, the economy matters for presidential campaigns—not to the extent that it is the only thing that matters, but it matters more than almost anything else. Research shows that voters seem to care about financial conditions more in the year of an election than in the prior years of a president’s term. And they seem to care more about the direction in which the economy’s headed than about its overall health.

The economy helps explain Jimmy Carter’s loss in 1980 and George H. W. Bush’s loss in 1992, as well as Barack Obama’s victory in 2012. The jobless rate was rising sharply during Carter’s and Bush’s reelection campaigns, with the ravages of stagflation and the fallout from an oil-price shock, respectively, souring voters on the incumbent presidents. Although Obama was presiding over a dismal economy when he fought Mitt Romney in his 2012 reelection bid, things were turning around.

This year’s projected headline numbers look dire for Trump, far worse than the numbers ever were for Carter, Bush, or Obama—far worse than they have looked for any postwar president. The jobless rate is anticipated to jump fivefold or tenfold in a matter of weeks, from its current rate of 3.5 percent. Growth is anticipated to tip down from a 2 or 3 percent annual rate to –18.3 percent, as Zandi estimates, if not lower. Household income is anticipated to collapse in unprecedented terms too. Taken by themselves, these statistics point to midnight in America, and a Reaganesque victory for the Democratic nominee.

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Gunny
04-04-2020, 12:17 PM
Tell you what. We've all heard how not on the Trump train I am. In this particular instance though? I think he's doing the best he can with a shitty hand and of all the talking zombies out there IMO he is the the only one that can drag us through this and out the other end in one piece with the least damage.

Can you imagine Hitlery or Biden dealing with this? Or the Losty lefty House?

I've got plenty of criticism about how it's being handled and for the behaviors of some people but I don't consider it more important than finding some sort of way to beat this thing. Some people have too much empty space between their ears and aren't even smart enough to shut up and not prove it.

High_Plains_Drifter
04-04-2020, 12:27 PM
The first title was the lead in from RCP, the second the actual title at the other site.

I honestly couldn't disagree more with her.

I honestly couldn't disagree more either. This article was obviously written by a TDS lefty.

Judging by the comments I read on facebook and Discus and other comment apps after articles, I'd say Trump is doing JUST FINE. I think the majority of people feel as though he's about the best guy we could possibly have running the show right now, and actually I'm rather impressed. He seems to be tireless, and hasn't shown any signs that he's not up to the job. Quite the contrary, he seems to be thriving. I couldn't name another person right now that I'd trust to take his place, ESPECIALLY a damn DEMOCRAT, and that damn sure plays over into the fact that I WILL VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN... and I know I'm not alone.

Coming home just now from the store, there's a guy that owns his own little roofing business that's just a block away from me. I've talked with him about doing a metal roof on my place, but I noticed on the back window of this truck parked in the driveway, a huge white lettered decal that says...

TRUMP
KAG 2020

High_Plains_Drifter
04-04-2020, 12:33 PM
Can you imagine Hitlery or Biden dealing with this? Or the Losty lefty House?
Not just NO, but HELL NO.

Gunny
04-04-2020, 04:00 PM
I see it this way: The last thing we need right now is (a) politician(s) driving the train through this Chinese flu and our economy. Trump has always been, IMO, more businessman than politician, well, because he is. He is also a very successful businessman.

I could be wrong, but IMO, THAT is what we need. Look at how the politicians are behaving. Meaning, look how juvenile and out of touch the Dems are acting. We'd already be in the tank under Obama, Hitlery or Biden. They'd still be trying to figure out their excuses for it not being their fault.

Then there's this: Middle of a firefight and you tell me you just replaced the CO because you didn't lie him and I am NOT going to react in a positive manner. It's his battle and it will make or break him. So I say give him the tools to win and let him go.

NightTrain
04-04-2020, 04:21 PM
Trump has nothing to worry about.

Articles like these are liberals whistling past the graveyard. They're panicking and their candidate is senile.

LongTermGuy
04-04-2020, 10:09 PM
Trump has nothing to worry about.

Articles like these are liberals whistling past the graveyard. They're panicking and their candidate is senile.



Spot on as usual old friend....end of story.

"They"... got nuthin!

CSM
04-06-2020, 04:50 AM
The good thing about Gunny's posting is I don't have to... we think a lot alike

Abbey Marie
04-06-2020, 08:16 AM
The good thing about Gunny's posting is I don't have to... we think a lot alike

Lol, we’ve noticed that. And it’s all good!

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