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Kathianne
05-08-2020, 09:02 PM
As Abbey and myself have opined, 'opening up' doesn't necessarily equate with going out. People here were hunkering down before being 'forced' to and some were going out in ways that did not conform with the recommendations after. IOW, people from the beginning have done what they felt right for them during the crisis.

Many are focusing on the 66% mentioned by Cuomo on contracting the virus 'from sheltering at home.' What fails to be mentioned with that number is that many were from nursing homes in NYC, where Cuomo was favoring sending those with the virus back from hospitals. Shockingly! :rolleyes: other residents became infected. I do think there is an opening for civil cases of wrongful deaths against NY.

With the exception of NY and a few other hot spots, the rest of the country is starting to make decisions, both as policy and individual choices:

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/05/08/robots-want-socially-distance/

The Robots Are Here — And They Want You To Socially Distance
ALLAHPUNDITPosted at 8:01 pm on May 8, 2020

I’ve written umpteen posts about Boston Dynamics’ menacing robots over the years. I never foresaw that when our dystopian future finally arrived, their sinister role in it would be … nagging people about staying six feet away from each other.

They might get away with this in Singapore (https://theweek.com/speedreads/913593/terrifying-mechanical-dog-now-stalking-singapore-park-make-sure-people-stay-properly-distant) but they’d never get away with it here. Young bros in MAGA hats would be punting this thing around the park. If governors want to use robots to enforce compliance with social distancing, they’d better roll out the big boys (https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2018/10/11/just-reminder-will-murdered-soon-robots/).

Gretchen Whitmer will end up deploying the ED-209 from “Robocop.” That movie took place in Michigan, didn’t it? Watch, then read on.

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(https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1258891931670609920)How’s the U.S. doing on social distancing now that states are beginning to reopen? Let’s look at three data visualizations to see. This first one comes from a FiveThirtyEight (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-didnt-wait-for-their-governors-to-tell-them-to-stay-home-because-of-covid-19/) piece reiterating a point that should be familiar to all of us by now: Social distancing began before the stay-at-home orders were issued. Whether you support lockdowns or loathe them, you’re kidding yourself if you think they’re driving Americans’ behavior. This image shows how people in 21 different states (all except one of which went for Trump in 2016) have changed their habits of leaving home over the past three months. Where the line in each is pink, that means fewer people were staying home than did so on the same day in 2019; where it’s blue, that means more people did so than in 2019. The vertical dashed line is the date that that state’s stay-at-home order take effect. In literally every case, the number who were staying home surged massively *before* the lockdown began.

https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/5.png

That’s good news for the “reopen now” contingent. Lockdown orders didn’t do much. No point in leaving them in place, then.
But there’s a corollary, per the Upshot (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/upshot/pandemic-economy-government-orders.html). If lockdowns didn’t cause Americans to hunker down, ending them doesn’t mean Americans will burst through the doors of their homes and race to the mall either.


In some states that have already begun that process, like Georgia, South Carolina, Oklahoma and Alaska, the same daily economic data shows only meager signs so far that businesses, workers and consumers have returned to their old routines.

Georgia, for example, began to reopen in waves starting April 24, first with gyms, salons and tattoo parlors, and several days later with dine-in restaurants and movie theaters. But the share of small businesses operating and the hours worked in them budged little through the following week, according to data from companies that help firms manage business and track payrolls, or that aggregate credit card transactions. The share of small businesses open remained down about 30 percent from January.

“There’s just no evidence that this partial reopening in Georgia has significantly changed anything in the economy,” said John Friedman, an economist at Brown University and a co-director of Opportunity Insights, a Harvard-based organization that is publicly tracking economic data on the crisis from a number of private companies. Consumer spending data in Georgia has fluctuated up and down, but moving averages of the metric have remained about the same.



Georgia did see an uptick in business from residents of other states (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/smartphone-data-shows-out-of-state-visitors-flocked-to-georgia-as-restaurants-and-other-businesses-reopened/2020/05/06/b1db0056-8faf-11ea-9e23-6914ee410a5f_story.html), which stands to reason. At the time it was the only state in its region to reopen “dine-in restaurants, gyms, hair salons, barbershops and entertainment venues, such as bowling alleys and movie theaters.” But that’s what people like Lindsey Graham from neighboring South Carolina were afraid of (https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/04/21/georgias-reopening-many-businesses-soon-says-lindsey-graham/). While SC was busy trying to tamp down the epidemic, some residents were across the border in Georgia shopping, possibly getting infected and then bringing the virus back home with them.

The Upshot flags this data from a recent Democracy Fund poll to show how people are prioritizing in weighing where they’ll go once their state reopens. It’s pretty intuitive:

https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/n.png

“Essential” stuff is on the table. People will take a calculated risk for basic grooming and hygiene (haircuts and dentist), paying their respects to an acquaintance who’s passed away, and some limited small-scale socialization with friends. Anything beyond that and the numbers shift towards opposition. In particular, the more an activity would involve a crowd the less likely people are to be willing to do it. (I’m guessing that the numbers for restaurants would look even worse if we distinguished takeout/fast food, which is minimal risk, from dine-in.) There is a partisan gap here, with Democrats less likely to do the activities listed above than Republicans are, but it’s minimal — just eight to 12 points according to the Upshot.

One more. This map comes from WaPo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/map-us-still-staying-home-coronavirus/) and shows what percentage of their time people in every county across the country were spending at home as of April 30 as compared to March 1, April 1, and peak social distancing on April 7. (The map’s interactive so follow the link and play around with it.)

https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/w.png

On March 1 most of the country was spending 65-70 percent of its at home. (On the west coast it was a little higher.) The weather has improved considerably since then yet nearly every county in the U.S. is still seeing people spend 80 percent of their time or more at their own residence. That’s come down since April 7, when rates of 85-90 percent or better were common. Americans are getting out of the house more as spring has sprung. But they’re still doing it less than they were two months ago, and it’s anyone’s guess how much of their out-of-the-house time they’re spending at businesses versus just stretching their legs in parks and at beaches. Whether the relaxation of lockdown orders has encouraged people to leave home more often or whether, as we saw above, people are practicing whatever level of social distancing they feel is optimal irrespective of what the government says is also unclear. But ending the lockdowns obviously hasn’t ended social distancing. Nor will it.

STTAB
05-12-2020, 08:16 AM
As Abbey and myself have opined, 'opening up' doesn't necessarily equate with going out. People here were hunkering down before being 'forced' to and some were going out in ways that did not conform with the recommendations after. IOW, people from the beginning have done what they felt right for them during the crisis.

Many are focusing on the 66% mentioned by Cuomo on contracting the virus 'from sheltering at home.' What fails to be mentioned with that number is that many were from nursing homes in NYC, where Cuomo was favoring sending those with the virus back from hospitals. Shockingly! :rolleyes: other residents became infected. I do think there is an opening for civil cases of wrongful deaths against NY.

With the exception of NY and a few other hot spots, the rest of the country is starting to make decisions, both as policy and individual choices:

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/05/08/robots-want-socially-distance/

The Robots Are Here — And They Want You To Socially Distance
ALLAHPUNDITPosted at 8:01 pm on May 8, 2020

I’ve written umpteen posts about Boston Dynamics’ menacing robots over the years. I never foresaw that when our dystopian future finally arrived, their sinister role in it would be … nagging people about staying six feet away from each other.

They might get away with this in Singapore (https://theweek.com/speedreads/913593/terrifying-mechanical-dog-now-stalking-singapore-park-make-sure-people-stay-properly-distant) but they’d never get away with it here. Young bros in MAGA hats would be punting this thing around the park. If governors want to use robots to enforce compliance with social distancing, they’d better roll out the big boys (https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2018/10/11/just-reminder-will-murdered-soon-robots/).

Gretchen Whitmer will end up deploying the ED-209 from “Robocop.” That movie took place in Michigan, didn’t it? Watch, then read on.

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(https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1258891931670609920)A robot dog enlisted by Singapore authorities politely asks joggers and cyclists to stay apart https://reut.rs/2SOTj6e (https://t.co/QkDNr4Hoat)


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(https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1258891931670609920)How’s the U.S. doing on social distancing now that states are beginning to reopen? Let’s look at three data visualizations to see. This first one comes from a FiveThirtyEight (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-didnt-wait-for-their-governors-to-tell-them-to-stay-home-because-of-covid-19/) piece reiterating a point that should be familiar to all of us by now: Social distancing began before the stay-at-home orders were issued. Whether you support lockdowns or loathe them, you’re kidding yourself if you think they’re driving Americans’ behavior. This image shows how people in 21 different states (all except one of which went for Trump in 2016) have changed their habits of leaving home over the past three months. Where the line in each is pink, that means fewer people were staying home than did so on the same day in 2019; where it’s blue, that means more people did so than in 2019. The vertical dashed line is the date that that state’s stay-at-home order take effect. In literally every case, the number who were staying home surged massively *before* the lockdown began.

https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/5.png

That’s good news for the “reopen now” contingent. Lockdown orders didn’t do much. No point in leaving them in place, then.
But there’s a corollary, per the Upshot (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/upshot/pandemic-economy-government-orders.html). If lockdowns didn’t cause Americans to hunker down, ending them doesn’t mean Americans will burst through the doors of their homes and race to the mall either.


In some states that have already begun that process, like Georgia, South Carolina, Oklahoma and Alaska, the same daily economic data shows only meager signs so far that businesses, workers and consumers have returned to their old routines.

Georgia, for example, began to reopen in waves starting April 24, first with gyms, salons and tattoo parlors, and several days later with dine-in restaurants and movie theaters. But the share of small businesses operating and the hours worked in them budged little through the following week, according to data from companies that help firms manage business and track payrolls, or that aggregate credit card transactions. The share of small businesses open remained down about 30 percent from January.

“There’s just no evidence that this partial reopening in Georgia has significantly changed anything in the economy,” said John Friedman, an economist at Brown University and a co-director of Opportunity Insights, a Harvard-based organization that is publicly tracking economic data on the crisis from a number of private companies. Consumer spending data in Georgia has fluctuated up and down, but moving averages of the metric have remained about the same.



Georgia did see an uptick in business from residents of other states (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/smartphone-data-shows-out-of-state-visitors-flocked-to-georgia-as-restaurants-and-other-businesses-reopened/2020/05/06/b1db0056-8faf-11ea-9e23-6914ee410a5f_story.html), which stands to reason. At the time it was the only state in its region to reopen “dine-in restaurants, gyms, hair salons, barbershops and entertainment venues, such as bowling alleys and movie theaters.” But that’s what people like Lindsey Graham from neighboring South Carolina were afraid of (https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/04/21/georgias-reopening-many-businesses-soon-says-lindsey-graham/). While SC was busy trying to tamp down the epidemic, some residents were across the border in Georgia shopping, possibly getting infected and then bringing the virus back home with them.

The Upshot flags this data from a recent Democracy Fund poll to show how people are prioritizing in weighing where they’ll go once their state reopens. It’s pretty intuitive:

https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/n.png

“Essential” stuff is on the table. People will take a calculated risk for basic grooming and hygiene (haircuts and dentist), paying their respects to an acquaintance who’s passed away, and some limited small-scale socialization with friends. Anything beyond that and the numbers shift towards opposition. In particular, the more an activity would involve a crowd the less likely people are to be willing to do it. (I’m guessing that the numbers for restaurants would look even worse if we distinguished takeout/fast food, which is minimal risk, from dine-in.) There is a partisan gap here, with Democrats less likely to do the activities listed above than Republicans are, but it’s minimal — just eight to 12 points according to the Upshot.

One more. This map comes from WaPo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/map-us-still-staying-home-coronavirus/) and shows what percentage of their time people in every county across the country were spending at home as of April 30 as compared to March 1, April 1, and peak social distancing on April 7. (The map’s interactive so follow the link and play around with it.)

https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/w.png

On March 1 most of the country was spending 65-70 percent of its at home. (On the west coast it was a little higher.) The weather has improved considerably since then yet nearly every county in the U.S. is still seeing people spend 80 percent of their time or more at their own residence. That’s come down since April 7, when rates of 85-90 percent or better were common. Americans are getting out of the house more as spring has sprung. But they’re still doing it less than they were two months ago, and it’s anyone’s guess how much of their out-of-the-house time they’re spending at businesses versus just stretching their legs in parks and at beaches. Whether the relaxation of lockdown orders has encouraged people to leave home more often or whether, as we saw above, people are practicing whatever level of social distancing they feel is optimal irrespective of what the government says is also unclear. But ending the lockdowns obviously hasn’t ended social distancing. Nor will it.


Man I went first day Arkansas allowed it and got a haircut. My hair was touching my collar in the back GROSS, but we aren't ready to go to the movies, or a restaurant yet, maybe in a month or so........

jimnyc
05-12-2020, 09:41 AM
Man I went first day Arkansas allowed it and got a haircut. My hair was touching my collar in the back GROSS, but we aren't ready to go to the movies, or a restaurant yet, maybe in a month or so........

Damn, mine used to be halfway down my back!! Then again, I was 18, and had shitty jobs. :)

I got mine cut awhile back, and got one of my shortest haircuts in awhile. White skin underneath showing from the peach fuzz!! And it was COLD when I opened the door to leave. Glad its growing back in!

But I'm not shy, I'm already ugly and I wear a hat non-stop, so if things got bad, me whipping out the trimmers and shaving my own head, wouldn't be the 1st time! :laugh:

STTAB
05-12-2020, 10:23 AM
Damn, mine used to be halfway down my back!! Then again, I was 18, and had shitty jobs. :)

I got mine cut awhile back, and got one of my shortest haircuts in awhile. White skin underneath showing from the peach fuzz!! And it was COLD when I opened the door to leave. Glad its growing back in!

But I'm not shy, I'm already ugly and I wear a hat non-stop, so if things got bad, me whipping out the trimmers and shaving my own head, wouldn't be the 1st time! :laugh:


Oh when I was 17 I showed up for Basic Training with a ponytail LOL .

And I'm that way with my beard, since retiring I shave when I feel like it, and if I'm unshaven and need to go into town or whatever, well I'm already married, I'm not looking to impress anyone.

jimnyc
05-12-2020, 10:25 AM
Oh when I was 17 I showed up for Basic Training with a ponytail LOL .

And I'm that way with my beard, since retiring I shave when I feel like it, and if I'm unshaven and need to go into town or whatever, well I'm already married, I'm not looking to impress anyone.

Oh man, at least my barber was gentle about my haircuts and trims with the long hair - basic, they must have took one scissor swipe or shears across a few times and kicked your ass out the door! LOL

Abbey Marie
05-12-2020, 10:48 AM
Oh, I didn’t see this and just started a thread about the robo dog cops. You can merge if you think it’s warranted.

Pretty sure I’ve mentioned here that I’m not a fan of robots. But they are the future. Glad I won’t see it.

STTAB
05-12-2020, 11:10 AM
Oh man, at least my barber was gentle about my haircuts and trims with the long hair - basic, they must have took one scissor swipe or shears across a few times and kicked your ass out the door! LOL


Yeah , just sheers, they sent spent about 2 minutes on each haircut LOL

Abbey Marie
05-12-2020, 11:28 AM
Re: the graph showing percentages of people who would do a specific activity once health officials gave the ok, I have two comments:

1. The graph does not say any time frame. Is this “I would/would not do it immediately after we get the ok, or, say, one week later, or one month Later? I think people may be hesitant to do them right away, but would gradually get more comfortable. A better survey would give people a few choices of time frames.

2, For me, as ever, I am looking for two weeks of significantly declining numbers of new cases in my area and wherever I’m thinking of going. The constantly conflicting messages from various health officials don’t inspire confidence.

Hot Dogger
05-12-2020, 01:42 PM
Why haven't you people woken up to the fact that COVID-19 is only a biological warfare exercise?

Black Diamond
05-12-2020, 01:49 PM
Why haven't you people woken up to the fact that COVID-19 is only a biological warfare exercise?

I am fairly awoke to the "fact" covid is a biological warfare tool used by China. I don't think it's an exercise at all.

STTAB
05-12-2020, 01:49 PM
Why haven't you people woken up to the fact that COVID-19 is only a biological warfare exercise?

I'm beginning to suspect you must have committed a biological attack on yourself as a child by eating too many paint chips.

jimnyc
05-12-2020, 02:04 PM
Why haven't you people woken up to the fact that COVID-19 is only a biological warfare exercise?

Because we deal in facts we can prove.

Black Diamond
05-12-2020, 02:13 PM
Because we deal in facts we can prove.

It's amazing how one word changes everything sometimes

STTAB
05-12-2020, 02:19 PM
Because we deal in facts we can prove.

Exactly, this is what separates us from the Democrats. Well, one of the things.

Abbey Marie
05-12-2020, 03:18 PM
Exactly, this is what separates us from the Democrats. Well, one of the things.

So many things.

Here are just three:

Hair buns
Shrieking bitter feminists
Common sense

Gunny
05-12-2020, 04:11 PM
I'm beginning to suspect you must have committed a biological attack on yourself as a child by eating too many paint chips.:laugh:

Kathianne
05-13-2020, 03:45 PM
Interesting results. Left wants the US locked down until a vaccine is found-(no comments on what would happen if one isn't possible or not found for years. No addressing there would be no economy to revive by next fall, not to mention later...)

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/372767/


MAY 13, 2020
GASLIGHTING: Media Lies: Democrat Governors Doing Great Jobs Despite Higher Wuhan Death Rates. (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stephen-green/2020/05/13/media-bias-democrats-and-covid19-n390362) “What’s a Republican governor have to do to earn respect from the mainstream media? I’m asking because saving a lot of lives without totally trashing their state’s economy doesn’t seem to do the trick. Meanwhile, certain Democrat governors are portrayed as quietly competent heroes while having the worst infection and death rates in the nation.”

Gunny
05-13-2020, 04:02 PM
Interesting results. Left wants the US locked down until a vaccine is found-(no comments on what would happen if one isn't possible or not found for years. No addressing there would be no economy to revive by next fall, not to mention later...)

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/372767/Of course the left does. The current situation is a socialist wet dream, and the longer it goes on, the more it will be accepted as the norm. I expected no less from the stupid, irresponsible left. People are dying, starving and/or homeless as a result of this pandemic and all the left can think about is taking over :rolleyes:

STTAB
05-19-2020, 08:11 AM
Of course the left does. The current situation is a socialist wet dream, and the longer it goes on, the more it will be accepted as the norm. I expected no less from the stupid, irresponsible left. People are dying, starving and/or homeless as a result of this pandemic and all the left can think about is taking over :rolleyes:


Hillary Clinton was , for once, being honest when she told Joe Biden that it would be a real shame to let this crisis go to waste.

Democrats are scum .

Gunny
05-19-2020, 09:04 PM
Hillary Clinton was , for once, being honest when she told Joe Biden that it would be a real shame to let this crisis go to waste.

Democrats are scum .I had no idea she said that but it surely does fit her. The Democratic party is where the Mafia disappeared to.

STTAB
05-20-2020, 09:50 AM
I had no idea she said that but it surely does fit her. The Democratic party is where the Mafia disappeared to.


The old bitch said it on television no less

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/28/hillary_clinton_this_would_be_a_terrible_crisis_to _waste_to_not_push_for_universal_healthcare.html

Gunny
05-20-2020, 06:37 PM
The old bitch said it on television no less

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/28/hillary_clinton_this_would_be_a_terrible_crisis_to _waste_to_not_push_for_universal_healthcare.htmlI know it's a "to each his own thing", but if she or her capo, "the Great One" come on my TV, it goes off. I found that to be better off for the TV and those around me :)

Black Diamond
05-20-2020, 07:45 PM
I know it's a "to each his own thing", but if she or her capo, "the Great One" come on my TV, it goes off. I found that to be better off for the TV and those around me :)

Yeah I heard Obamas voice come on the radio today. Probably his "commencement speech" where he bashed how the administration has handled the virus which was inappropriate right now but that's Obama.
Also the left has probably recruited him to start talking since his brain dead protégé is well... Brain dead.

Anyway I immediately changed the station.

STTAB
05-21-2020, 10:40 AM
I know it's a "to each his own thing", but if she or her capo, "the Great One" come on my TV, it goes off. I found that to be better off for the TV and those around me :)


That's a mistake. As a warrior, and a Marine no less, you know full well that Sun Tzu was 100% correct about knowing one's enemy. And Democrats are 100% the enemy of this country. Unfortunately many Republicans have allied themselves with this enemy.

Gunny
05-21-2020, 11:51 AM
That's a mistake. As a warrior, and a Marine no less, you know full well that Sun Tzu was 100% correct about knowing one's enemy. And Democrats are 100% the enemy of this country. Unfortunately many Republicans have allied themselves with this enemy.I agree with you. Many times I have argued against censoring people/putting them on ignore. Racists, fags, whatever. I want to know what the enemy is up to.

In the case of Hitlery and "the Great One", I already know they're up to some self-serving, no good, unconstitutional bullshit. I got better things to do than sit through even one agonizing, mind-numbing second.

Politically, I could hope for nothing more than Hitlery backing other Dems. She's such a "winner" :laugh:

Obama is no longer President; therefore, on "the list" mentioned in the other thread. I see no purpose to him drawing his next breath.