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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-09-2020, 05:35 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/female-us-army-soldier-makes-170021495.html

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Female US Army soldier makes history by becoming the first woman to become a Green Beret
rpickrell@businessinsider.com (Ryan Pickrell)
Business InsiderJuly 9, 2020, 12:00 PM
Soldiers assigned to the U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School stand at attention during a Regimental First Formation at the Crown Arena in Fayetteville, North Carolina January 16, 2020
Soldiers assigned to the U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School stand at attention during a Regimental First Formation at the Crown Arena in Fayetteville, North Carolina January 16, 2020
U.S. Army photo by K. Kassens

A female soldier became the US Army's first female Green Beret on Thursday.

The National Guard soldier graduated, earned her Special Forces Tab, and earned her Green Beret Thursday at a ceremony at Fort Bragg, North Carolina celebrating her and her classmates completion of Special Forces training.

US Army Special Operations Command is withholding identifying information about the woman due to mission security demands for special operations troops.

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In a major achievement for women in the armed forces, a soldier became the US Army's first female Green Beret Thursday, US Army Special Operations Command announced.

The female National Guard soldier, whose name is being withheld due to mission security concerns for special operations troops, graduated from Army Special Forces training, received her Special Forces Tab, and donned her Green Beret at a socially distanced ceremony at Fort Bragg in North Carolina.

Commanding General for US Army Special Operations Command Lt. Gen. Fran Beaudette told the graduating class Thursday that "from here, you will go forward and join the storied formation of the Green Berets where you will do what you are trained to do: challenge assumptions, break down barriers, smash through stereotypes, innovate, and achieve the impossible."

"Thankfully," the general said, "after today, our Green Beret Men and Women will forever stand in the hearts of free people everywhere."

The soldier, a Special Forces engineer sergeant, first completed an initial 24-day screening program before heading into the yearlong Special Forces Qualification Course (Q Course), The New York Times, which first reported her graduation, reported Thursday.

She completed the final assessment, the culminating Robin Sage exercise that tests soldiers on skills essential to being a Green Beret, in mid-June.

The Pentagon opened all combat positions in the armed forces to women in late 2015.

"They'll be allowed to drive tanks, fire mortars and lead infantry soldiers into combat," Defense Secretary Ash Carter said at the time. "They'll be able to serve as Army Rangers and Green Berets, Navy SEALs, Marine Corps infantry, Air Force parajumpers, and everything else that was previously open only to men."

Since then, women have begun to fill previously restricted roles, the exception being the Special Forces. These elite troops wage unconventional warfare, and their training is especially demanding. Special Forces has been one of the few remaining all-male warfighting communities.

While the woman that graduated Thursday is the first to become a Green Beret, she is not the first woman to graduate from the training program.

In the early 1980s, a woman named Capt. Kate Wilder completed Special Forces training, but she was forced out at the last minute. The Army later sent her a graduation certificate after an investigation upheld her discrimination complaint and determined that she was wrongfully denied graduation.

But Wilder, who left the Army as a lieutenant colonel in 2003, never joined the Green Berets.

"It isn't important that I wear the hat," she told the AP after graduating. "I'm not at all hung up on a hat like a lot of the men are ... What matters is that I'm officially qualified."

A senior Army official previously told Military.com that the woman who graduated Thursday "excelled throughout the course and earned the respect of both her instructors and her peer group."

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Really?
ok, now how about asking which soldiers would prefer -her- fighting besides them in a firefight over that of fellow male soldier.
The nitty gritty of it is- men are larger, more powerful, meaner and tougher than women.
No amount modern women's rights. equality bullshit gonna change that reality.
I would choose a male soldier over her any day..
Ten to one says that she was cut some slack somewhere along the way..--Tyr

Gunny
07-09-2020, 08:28 PM
In a "perfect World" ...

Based on ability and performance alone, I have no problem with it. If she performs up to standards (instead of the standards performing down to her), she deserves the same opportunities as anyone else she is competing with for position or promotion. "Green Beret" is one helluva feather to have on your hat come promotion time. Tough women are tough. Scare most guys. I always found that quite amusing :)

In the REAL World: 18-22 years old males and females in isolated locations for long periods of time has gone only one, the SAME one, direction I've ever seen. Then you have relationships. Then you have stupidity on both sides of it. has a negative impact on the unit itself and the morale. It's called nature and as much as the left has us trying to pretend it isn't there, I assure you it exists after taps. I'm not blaming one more than other because it takes 2.

I had a Marine that was married to a WM (woman Marine) on one of the other ships in our ARG and OMG :( I was a marriage counselor half the float. More like a referee. I finally had to dump that deal on the Captain.

There is no happy ending or "right" answer here. The Sergeant Major will call the Gunny in laughing his ass off and say, " Gunny, make this work".:laugh:

CSM
07-10-2020, 06:59 AM
In a "perfect World" ...

Based on ability and performance alone, I have no problem with it. If she performs up to standards (instead of the standards performing down to her), she deserves the same opportunities as anyone else she is competing with for position or promotion. "Green Beret" is one helluva feather to have on your hat come promotion time. Tough women are tough. Scare most guys. I always found that quite amusing :)

In the REAL World: 18-22 years old males and females in isolated locations for long periods of time has gone only one, the SAME one, direction I've ever seen. Then you have relationships. Then you have stupidity on both sides of it. has a negative impact on the unit itself and the morale. It's called nature and as much as the left has us trying to pretend it isn't there, I assure you it exists after taps. I'm not blaming one more than other because it takes 2.

I had a Marine that was married to a WM (woman Marine) on one of the other ships in our ARG and OMG :( I was a marriage counselor half the float. More like a referee. I finally had to dump that deal on the Captain.

There is no happy ending or "right" answer here. The Sergeant Major will call the Gunny in laughing his ass off and say, " Gunny, make this work".:laugh:

"Gunny, make this work"

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-10-2020, 08:09 AM
One must ask could she carry a wounded soldier more than a few feet if he was injured and unconscious. If she truly has the strength, grit , determination and stamina. Does she have the inherent pverpowering will to win that is a basic genetic coding in males. Does she have that killer instinct that is prevalent in males far far more than females.. Combat, killing others is the main job of a soldier, females are genetically programmed to be nurturers and mother's not killers.. Tyr.

Abbey Marie
07-10-2020, 01:56 PM
When fire departments started to admit women, what I saw was restructured physical tests so women could pass. That’s a VERY bad idea. Determine what qualifications are truly needed for the job or mission, and apply them to everyone. If women can then pass the test, then I think they should be given a shot.

Having said that, I also agree with Gunny that with both sexes there, nature will take its course, and if that can cause problems or especially danger, it ain’t gonna work. I also wonder if the wives at home are going to be uneasy with their hubby being in close quarters 24/7 with other women, and not want them to go.

Gunny
07-10-2020, 05:57 PM
One must ask could she carry a wounded soldier more than a few feet if he was injured and unconscious. If she truly has the strength, grit , determination and stamina. Does she have the inherent pverpowering will to win that is a basic genetic coding in males. Does she have that killer instinct that is prevalent in males far far more than females.. Combat, killing others is the main job of a soldier, females are genetically programmed to be nurturers and mother's not killers.. Tyr.I've met some women in the military, and out, that would whip your ass and mine without working up a sweat. When I say the tough women are tough, I'm not exaggerating. They make a point of keeping up with if not surpassing the men at every turn. I can think of a couple I knew I'd have taken in a heartbeat and dumped a couple of guys to get them.

As I stated, all things being equal, if they meet the standard, they should have the same opportunity. You can ask CSM because he is Army, IMO, the fact that she DID earn her Green Beret in a class full of men that I'm sure started out a LOT larger than it ended answers all of your questions.

You could also google Women in the Mossad. They might disagree with you. They're some damned hardass women and will kill without batting an eyelash.

Gunny
07-10-2020, 06:07 PM
When fire departments started to admit women, what I saw was restructured physical tests so women could pass. That’s a VERY bad idea. Determine what qualifications are truly needed for the job or mission, and apply them to everyone. If women can pass the test then, then I think they should be given a shot.

Having said that, I also agree with Gunny that with both sexes there, nature will take its course, and if that can cause problems or especially danger, it ain’t gonna work. I also wonder if the wives at home are going to be uneasy with their hubby being in close quarters 24/7 with other women, and not want them to go.I agree and I was always against it in the Marines. The Marine Corps however restructured the physical standards twice while I was in, both time making the women catch up to us, not dumbing the standards down.

I did not see anywhere that the US Army lowered the standards for a female to make it through Green Beret School, or whatever it's called.

My ex wife WAS (is a retired SSgt) a Marine. She wasn't worried. Y'all heard of John Bobbitt?:scared:

Marine wives are more worried about what hubby's up to when that ship hits a foreign port than they are co-workers. Not saying it doesn't happen, but military co-workers who are married that engage in such shenanigans are fools. Adultery is still a punishable offense in the Marine Corps, and so is fraternization.

Nothing is perfect. Since CSM directed me to "make it work:

I find out who the closet fag in the unit is and she's his teammate. I don't care if that isn't PC. Problem solved.

icansayit
07-10-2020, 07:39 PM
While I was on active duty, on ships, and 2 shore stations. As a Senior P.O. I saw it time, and time again where (Have to say it) Females always...ALWAYS got preferential treatment in nearly every aspect of doing the job at hand. Of course, being on a ship is nowhere near being in a Jungle, or Beach area under fire from an enemy. But...that danger aside. It just was a common aspect of OUR Nature as men to protect, and intentionally take it easier on the females who knew (as we men all knew)...they simply were not capable of performing the tedious work, or tasks under the conditions at every moment.

Senior officers even looked the other way, and even assigned easier tasks for the females who...by the way...MAGICALLY became eligible for Advancement...despite being limited as they were.
Now that this woman has become a Green Beret. The men around her will still have that unseen inner feeling to protect her when the going gets tough...even if she demands she is able to do whatever has been assigned to her. It also takes valuable Attention from her fellow Green Berets when they are going to be under fire. The Nature of men is always...Protect the women by placing themselves in jeopardy...even without knowing it.
After all...THATS WHY THEY ARE STILL IDENTIFIED AS WOMEN. Right Gunny?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-10-2020, 09:17 PM
I've met some women in the military, and out, that would whip your ass and mine without working up a sweat. When I say the tough women are tough, I'm not exaggerating. They make a point of keeping up with if not surpassing the men at every turn. I can think of a couple I knew I'd have taken in a heartbeat and dumped a couple of guys to get them.

As I stated, all things being equal, if they meet the standard, they should have the same opportunity. You can ask CSM because he is Army, IMO, the fact that she DID earn her Green Beret in a class full of men that I'm sure started out a LOT larger than it ended answers all of your questions.

You could also google Women in the Mossad. They might disagree with you. They're some damned hardass women and will kill without batting an eyelash.
I never said there are no tough women. I doubt there are any that could have whipped my ass when I was in my 20/30's.
I have watched the tough women in MMA, and without a doubt none of them could have beat hell out of me in my prime not Rhonda ROUSEY
or any of the others. Now at age 66 and with my heart condition yeah maybe the toughest could, but even then it would not be a walk in the park.
If it comes to shooting I truly doubt any of them are better than me. I've always been that accurate since age 6...
Rifle and shotgun age 6 onward , pistols started at age 14. Heavily trained with pistols up into my late thirties/forties. -Tyr

Gunny
07-10-2020, 09:42 PM
While I was on active duty, on ships, and 2 shore stations. As a Senior P.O. I saw it time, and time again where (Have to say it) Females always...ALWAYS got preferential treatment in nearly every aspect of doing the job at hand. Of course, being on a ship is nowhere near being in a Jungle, or Beach area under fire from an enemy. But...that danger aside. It just was a common aspect of OUR Nature as men to protect, and intentionally take it easier on the females who knew (as we men all knew)...they simply were not capable of performing the tedious work, or tasks under the conditions at every moment.

Senior officers even looked the other way, and even assigned easier tasks for the females who...by the way...MAGICALLY became eligible for Advancement...despite being limited as they were.
Now that this woman has become a Green Beret. The men around her will still have that unseen inner feeling to protect her when the going gets tough...even if she demands she is able to do whatever has been assigned to her. It also takes valuable Attention from her fellow Green Berets when they are going to be under fire. The Nature of men is always...Protect the women by placing themselves in jeopardy...even without knowing it.
After all...THATS WHY THEY ARE STILL IDENTIFIED AS WOMEN. Right Gunny?I think you covered that pretty nicely. Women are a pain in the ass in the military and I know all kinds of stories like the ones you posted. I can't say as I'm guilty of doing it. To the contrary :laugh: I treated them like the rank they had on. They don't like that :laugh:

However, I AM protective of women. Guilty. It's hard wired :)

Thing is, any answer can't focus on just one side of the argument. The women are here/there. All us military folk with a brain know the US Military is the social experimentation lab for the US Government. They order it and we can't say no like civilians can. I was only half-kidding what I posted about the SgtMaj telling the Gunny to make it work. I can picture it happening and thinking "Oh f-k ":laugh: You have to make it work. There wasn't a question in the directive.

Abbey Marie
07-11-2020, 01:27 PM
I think you covered that pretty nicely. Women are a pain in the ass in the military and I know all kinds of stories like the ones you posted. I can't say as I'm guilty of doing it. To the contrary :laugh: I treated them like the rank they had on. They don't like that :laugh:

However, I AM protective of women. Guilty. It's hard wired :)

Thing is, any answer can't focus on just one side of the argument. The women are here/there. All us military folk with a brain know the US Military is the social experimentation lab for the US Government. They order it and we can't say no like civilians can. I was only half-kidding what I posted about the SgtMaj telling the Gunny to make it work. I can picture it happening and thinking "Oh f-k ":laugh: You have to make it work. There wasn't a question in the directive.

That’s why you are on my list (like it or not, lol) when the SHTF and we head for Rick’s. I want to be completely surrounded by Alpha males who want to protect me. And can. I can make the coffee. ;)


:coffee:

Abbey Marie
07-12-2020, 11:23 AM
Different skill-set, but...

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Russ
07-12-2020, 12:02 PM
If they pass a watered-down set of requirements, then it is just political and not as impressive..

If they pass the same set of requirements that everyone else has, very impressive.

Either way, though, I'm sure this first Green Beret is one tough woman.

NightTrain
07-12-2020, 06:13 PM
If the young lady was badass enough to graduate - and reportedly excelled at Green Beret training - then my hat's off to her.

It's a real accomplishment that most men can't do. She's earned it and it's only right that she's able to be a Green Beret.

I've met some extremely tough women over the years, and my first exposure to a female badass was in high school when I witnessed a female junior (who was in my weight training class) respond to a normal snarky girl with a wicked right uppercut that lifted her off her feet and deposited her against the lockers 6 feet away. I thought she was dead at first, but she was just knocked cold. Had a bit of whiplash for a while, too, and had roughly 87% less snark after that speed-tune.

I have a friend, Cassidy, who was Army Infantry, got out as a sergeant - but she was kicking around the idea of going SF. She's one tough girl and I think she could have done it if she'd decided to... very tough both mentally and physically.

She's a pretty decent fisherman, too - I watched her land this beautiful King Salmon and took this pic :

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NightTrain
07-12-2020, 06:46 PM
Further, as far as body strength goes... I would point out that America's most highly decorated soldier and undisputed badass, Audie Murphy, was rejected for being too small by the Army, Navy and Marines in WWII when he tried to enlist.

He was 5' 5" and 112#.

The Army finally accepted him, as we all know he was a wrecking machine on the battlefield.

As far as women being a distraction... yeah, I can see that point but if she's qualified then she's got the right to be there. Yeah, there will be issues but that's the reality of things and sidelining an otherwise exceptional soldier just because she's a woman is unfair.

That, to me, is like derailing a black guy because he's black. If he's qualified and does the job then he deserves to be there, and that goes for any job - not just the military.

OTOH, if anyone gets a pass because of sex or race, then you've harmed the organization by allowing substandard people into the mix - and that's bullshit. If we're going to be gender-blind, then there should never be a lessening of standards to bend the rules to accommodate.

icansayit
07-12-2020, 11:22 PM
Further, as far as body strength goes... I would point out that America's most highly decorated soldier and undisputed badass, Audie Murphy, was rejected for being too small by the Army, Navy and Marines in WWII when he tried to enlist.

He was 5' 5" and 112#.

The Army finally accepted him, as we all know he was a wrecking machine on the battlefield.

As far as women being a distraction... yeah, I can see that point but if she's qualified then she's got the right to be there. Yeah, there will be issues but that's the reality of things and sidelining an otherwise exceptional soldier just because she's a woman is unfair.

That, to me, is like derailing a black guy because he's black. If he's qualified and does the job then he deserves to be there, and that goes for any job - not just the military.

OTOH, if anyone gets a pass because of sex or race, then you've harmed the organization by allowing substandard people into the mix - and that's bullshit. If we're going to be gender-blind, then there should never be a lessening of standards to bend the rules to accommodate.

I must emphasize...I never said she, or any other female didn't have a right to do what she wants as a member of the GREEN Beret. Problem is, honestly speaking. I remember seeing far too many abuses (almost like intentionally looking the other way). But that was back in the 90's. I know the world has changed. And the military is no longer what I would recognize.

Gunny
07-13-2020, 11:27 AM
If the young lady was badass enough to graduate - and reportedly excelled at Green Beret training - then my hat's off to her.

It's a real accomplishment that most men can't do. She's earned it and it's only right that she's able to be a Green Beret.

I've met some extremely tough women over the years, and my first exposure to a female badass was in high school when I witnessed a female junior (who was in my weight training class) respond to a normal snarky girl with a wicked right uppercut that lifted her off her feet and deposited her against the lockers 6 feet away. I thought she was dead at first, but she was just knocked cold. Had a bit of whiplash for a while, too, and had roughly 87% less snark after that speed-tune.

I have a friend, Cassidy, who was Army Infantry, got out as a sergeant - but she was kicking around the idea of going SF. She's one tough girl and I think she could have done it if she'd decided to... very tough both mentally and physically.

She's a pretty decent fisherman, too - I watched her land this beautiful King Salmon and took this pic :

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I completely agree. Couldn't have said it better. Looks great. On paper. I also think it's a shame it doesn't work that way.


I must emphasize...I never said she, or any other female didn't have a right to do what she wants as a member of the GREEN Beret. Problem is, honestly speaking. I remember seeing far too many abuses (almost like intentionally looking the other way). But that was back in the 90's. I know the world has changed. And the military is no longer what I would recognize.

Agree with this one too. After thinking it over, shit-hot, hard-charging Green Beret ... what's not to love? Just not in MY unit because "it" is female. A single female can take down a 13 man squad faster than the entire Chinese Army. I could write a book on it.

To start with, all the rules change for everyone else to fit that one person in. No more acting like "guys". PC at ALL times. Never, EVER get caught alone with a female if it can be avoided. No cussing, no talking about sex, no back-slapping -- no touching except in the line of duty for that matter. Don't piss them off because they have the distinct advantage of complaining about you the male that will be listened to and an airtight alibi won't get you over.

Where does she drop trou's for Nature's calling in the field? Or to clean herself? Guys drop their shit where they stand and start cleaning if and when the opportunity arises. Where foes she sleep? Everything she does that is "female" she does alone and away from the unit. What if eyes on at all times is mandatory? I've been on 2 mn teams where it was.

That's if she's NOT a "climber". If she's out to play politics to get ahead, I'd rather be in combat with one round left. I got a better chance of survival.

It doesn't even have to be intentional. One guy could have bigger ideas in his head than he needs, and if she's buddies with different guy and the first feels slighted?

And you can't just tell them no. They're people, humans, in their 20s ... they're going to do what they want regardless the rules and/or possible punishment.

None of that, which is off the top of my head becasue it's not a short list, is worth one female, I don't care if it's the Lady Sif from Asgaard.

Again, it's too bad it's that way, but it is what it is.

jimnyc
07-13-2020, 11:46 AM
I have a friend, Cassidy, who was Army Infantry, got out as a sergeant - but she was kicking around the idea of going SF. She's one tough girl and I think she could have done it if she'd decided to... very tough both mentally and physically

When I visited NT in Alaska I spent the week at his cabin, and Cassidy and her boyfriend were along with us too.

Skinny and pretty little girl. Thin and almost "tiny" I would describe her. Not intimidating in the slightest bit.

I was more then impressed by the end of the week and was in fact a little intimidated, as she made me look silly a few times. With my good clothes and good boots still on, and not even knowing her yet, she turned around and picked me up and walked me from the boat through like 10-15 feet of water to dry land when we first got there. I don't care and gladly took the ride, I have no shame! :)

We go a few hundred yards or more to get to a creek for fresh water while there, fill up a bunch of jugs. Next thing you know, Rambo in her military fatigues is standing guard with her rifle. Something about bears eating me if you aren't careful. https://i.imgur.com/GEuhnDj.gif

Then we go fishing like, what, 6-10 miles up the river through the canyons and rapids. While I'm fishing, there she is again behind me with her rifle. Something about not paying attention, catching fish and having them around, and something about bears eating me if you aren't careful. https://i.imgur.com/GEuhnDj.gif

Probably, what, all of 5'7 or 8, probably about 130lbs or so, and would likely take on most men, and most assuredly beat most men in shooting as apparently she was an army marksman - hence her being the one to protect me all week! LOL

jimnyc
07-13-2020, 12:03 PM
Every now and again a special woman comes along. I will admit, I don't think the overall majority of women are suited for the military, and less so, much less so for green beret.

But as stated - if standards not lowered, she still kicks ass and makes the grade - she could have my back any day of the week and then some. Now, if lowered or catered to, entirely different ballgame, and that can actually harm in the end, IMO. Although I see some of that in the military, I would like to think that the special units were different. Like going to Buds and trying to be a Navy Seal, I couldn't see them burning through the guys hitting the bell and lowering standards for women. As far as I know, no women have ever made it to being a Navy seal.

That's not to say it cannot happen. It will take one hell of a strong and determined woman. Someone who puts their life into it and dedicates themselves. Also likely someone simply born with certain abilities and features.

I nominate this woman to be one that IF she put herself forth to do so, would make the grade. Amanda Nunes. She got started in her training world at age 4 in Brazil. Her entire life has been basically dedicated to her body and fighting and training. She is now in the UFC and the women's current bantamweight and featherweight champion. But don't let those names fool you into thinking too small or not capable.

I put her up against most men in their prime and she wins. I'm not talking putting her up against a heavyweight like Mike Tyson, but I mean most in similar weights. And then the military doesn't go by weight class, it goes by qualifications and meeting the grade. While she trained for much different, I do believe her dedication to all she does and her capabilities, I believe she's one of those special women who can make the grade along with men in many areas.

Ronda Rousey? She kicked the crap out of her, along with all the other supposed greats.

This is just general highlights and about her kicking ass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKQ3NFdvHHs

This woman is brutal in the octagon!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEA7fasR4pg

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-13-2020, 12:11 PM
I completely agree. Couldn't have said it better. Looks great. On paper. I also think it's a shame it doesn't work that way.



Agree with this one too. After thinking it over, shit-hot, hard-charging Green Beret ... what's not to love? Just not in MY unit because "it" is female. A single female can take down a 13 man squad faster than the entire Chinese Army. I could write a book on it.

To start with, all the rules change for everyone else to fit that one person in. No more acting like "guys". PC at ALL times. Never, EVER get caught alone with a female if it can be avoided. No cussing, no talking about sex, no back-slapping -- no touching except in the line of duty for that matter. Don't piss them off because they have the distinct advantage of complaining about you the male that will be listened to and an airtight alibi won't get you over.

Where does she drop trou's for Nature's calling in the field? Or to clean herself? Guys drop their shit where they stand and start cleaning if and when the opportunity arises. Where foes she sleep? Everything she does that is "female" she does alone and away from the unit. What if eyes on at all times is mandatory? I've been on 2 mn teams where it was.

That's if she's NOT a "climber". If she's out to play politics to get ahead, I'd rather be in combat with one round left. I got a better chance of survival.

It doesn't even have to be intentional. One guy could have bigger ideas in his head than he needs, and if she's buddies with different guy and the first feels slighted?

And you can't just tell them no. They're people, humans, in their 20s ... they're going to do what they want regardless the rules and/or possible punishment.

None of that, which is off the top of my head becasue it's not a short list, is worth one female, I don't care if it's the Lady Sif from Asgaard.

Again, it's too bad it's that way, but it is what it is.

I have no problem admitting that here are some truly bad-ass women!
But to add such to an elite combat unit and that addition function 100% as another male soldier trained the same simply does not happen.
One can not turn off human nature and the natural and cultural accommodations that females are given. I do see that
instinctual, genetic , sexual nature being zeroed out is impossible to achieve. And any distraction from unit cohesiveness and functions is of a paramount weakness.
Gunny pointed that out and no amount of mandating no sex, no intimacy, no giving special favors will hold up, imho.
Dem.lib.idiot progressive ideas on gender equality issues do not belong in combat units period...
We see it in movies but in real life its bullshit, imho..-Tyr
It is a totally unnecessary addition added to an already extremely hard position and a very dangerous one too.---Tyr

NightTrain
07-14-2020, 08:32 PM
When I visited NT in Alaska I spent the week at his cabin, and Cassidy and her boyfriend were along with us too.

Skinny and pretty little girl. Thin and almost "tiny" I would describe her. Not intimidating in the slightest bit.

I was more then impressed by the end of the week and was in fact a little intimidated, as she made me look silly a few times. With my good clothes and good boots still on, and not even knowing her yet, she turned around and picked me up and walked me from the boat through like 10-15 feet of water to dry land when we first got there. I don't care and gladly took the ride, I have no shame! :)

We go a few hundred yards or more to get to a creek for fresh water while there, fill up a bunch of jugs. Next thing you know, Rambo in her military fatigues is standing guard with her rifle. Something about bears eating me if you aren't careful. https://i.imgur.com/GEuhnDj.gif

Then we go fishing like, what, 6-10 miles up the river through the canyons and rapids. While I'm fishing, there she is again behind me with her rifle. Something about not paying attention, catching fish and having them around, and something about bears eating me if you aren't careful. https://i.imgur.com/GEuhnDj.gif

Probably, what, all of 5'7 or 8, probably about 130lbs or so, and would likely take on most men, and most assuredly beat most men in shooting as apparently she was an army marksman - hence her being the one to protect me all week! LOL


Yeah, Cass is a true badass. I remember standing guard for her and all the other little ones while they fished up at Disappointment, so I think she feels obligated to provide watch for everyone else nowadays.

And, I'm sure she'd LOVE to demonstrate her shooting abilities should a Griz appear and charge the group. I believe she'd be smiling as she let fly a wall of lead downrange.

Hot Dogger
07-19-2020, 02:00 PM
I've met many women who were pound-for-pound stronger than many men and just as tough if not tougher. So women should fight and die for the Yinon Plan for Greater Israel and the Kalergi Plan the same as men, God's Chosen People profess a great belief in gender equality, so it's the least the US military can do.